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John invites Andy and Lizzy Manley, former members of New Frontiers, to discuss their experiences with the group. Lizzy shares how her early faith journey in New Frontiers, which began with what seemed like genuine worship, led to disillusionment due to the shepherding practices that promoted strict submission. Over time, she experienced cognitive dissonance between her personal beliefs and the church's teachings, leading her to lose faith for nearly a decade. Andy discusses the theological rigidity and financial demands of the church, focusing on strict tithing policies and questionable leadership practices. Both Andy and Lizzy express frustration at how the church's emphasis on control, financial exploitation, and rigid hierarchies led them to question the authenticity of their spiritual experience.
The conversation transitions into broader reflections on the New Apostolic Reformation and the structural similarities between movements like New Frontiers and other charismatic organizations. Both Andy and Lizzy emphasize how the misuse of spiritual authority and manipulation of believers for financial gain are rampant in these circles. They reflect on how these experiences, combined with emotional manipulation during worship services, distorted their understanding of faith and religion. The interview concludes with advice to current members of such groups, urging them to read the Bible independently and question teachings that seem manipulative or self-serving.
00:00 Introduction
01:08 Lizzy's Early Involvement with New Frontiers
03:02 Losing Faith Due to Cognitive Dissonance
05:01 The Problem of Deceptive Leadership
08:03 Emotional Manipulation Through Worship
10:55 The Difficulty of Leaving a Controlling Group
13:40 Andy's Introduction to New Frontiers
15:55 Strict Tithing and Financial Exploitation
18:55 Leadership and the Influence of Paul Cain
22:01 Transparency Issues in New Frontiers
25:03 Cult-like Leadership Structures
28:00 Lack of Evangelism Focus in New Frontiers
29:45 Apostolic Authority and False Doctrines
33:00 The Concept of Blind Faith in Charismatic Movements
36:00 Manipulation in Healing and Financial Gain
39:45 Questionable Practices at Benny Hinn's Conferences
43:10 Guilt Over Past Involvement in Prophetic Movements
46:00 Deconstructing Faith After Leaving a Cult
49:00 Emotional Highs During Worship and Their Manipulation
52:00 Closing Thoughts and Advice for Current Members
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https://www.patreon.com/branham
Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts:
https://william-branham.org/podcast
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
John invites Andy and Lizzy Manley, former members of New Frontiers, to discuss their experiences with the group. Lizzy shares how her early faith journey in New Frontiers, which began with what seemed like genuine worship, led to disillusionment due to the shepherding practices that promoted strict submission. Over time, she experienced cognitive dissonance between her personal beliefs and the church's teachings, leading her to lose faith for nearly a decade. Andy discusses the theological rigidity and financial demands of the church, focusing on strict tithing policies and questionable leadership practices. Both Andy and Lizzy express frustration at how the church's emphasis on control, financial exploitation, and rigid hierarchies led them to question the authenticity of their spiritual experience.
The conversation transitions into broader reflections on the New Apostolic Reformation and the structural similarities between movements like New Frontiers and other charismatic organizations. Both Andy and Lizzy emphasize how the misuse of spiritual authority and manipulation of believers for financial gain are rampant in these circles. They reflect on how these experiences, combined with emotional manipulation during worship services, distorted their understanding of faith and religion. The interview concludes with advice to current members of such groups, urging them to read the Bible independently and question teachings that seem manipulative or self-serving.
00:00 Introduction
01:08 Lizzy's Early Involvement with New Frontiers
03:02 Losing Faith Due to Cognitive Dissonance
05:01 The Problem of Deceptive Leadership
08:03 Emotional Manipulation Through Worship
10:55 The Difficulty of Leaving a Controlling Group
13:40 Andy's Introduction to New Frontiers
15:55 Strict Tithing and Financial Exploitation
18:55 Leadership and the Influence of Paul Cain
22:01 Transparency Issues in New Frontiers
25:03 Cult-like Leadership Structures
28:00 Lack of Evangelism Focus in New Frontiers
29:45 Apostolic Authority and False Doctrines
33:00 The Concept of Blind Faith in Charismatic Movements
36:00 Manipulation in Healing and Financial Gain
39:45 Questionable Practices at Benny Hinn's Conferences
43:10 Guilt Over Past Involvement in Prophetic Movements
46:00 Deconstructing Faith After Leaving a Cult
49:00 Emotional Highs During Worship and Their Manipulation
52:00 Closing Thoughts and Advice for Current Members
______________________
– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
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