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00:00Now, you just passed along that we've got reports and sauces that say that Brock Purdy
00:06today in practice threw how many passes?
00:09Not a one.
00:11In the open sessions as viewed by Cam Inman, friend of the program.
00:14No passes.
00:15Zero passes.
00:16Okay.
00:17There were some handoffs.
00:18Kyle Shanahan, what's your concern level with Purdy?
00:21Not much right now.
00:22We'll see how this week goes, but it's limited today, so I think that's good news.
00:27Okay.
00:28He uses the phrase good news.
00:30Because he was limited.
00:31If he was really, really hurt, then he would have been out.
00:34Let's start with the beginning of that.
00:36How concerned are you with Purdy?
00:39Listen to this.
00:40Not much right now.
00:41We'll see how this week goes, but it's limited today, so I think that's good news.
00:44Bit of an uncomfortable pause.
00:47Yeah, but then it's not much right now.
00:50Not much right now.
00:51I mean, okay.
00:52And I don't know if there was an actual injury to report, then you'd be a little bit more
01:01concerned and he probably would be out.
01:03He wouldn't be out there on a limited basis.
01:05Do you want to hear some answers to a lot of the stuff that we threw out there yesterday?
01:09And those of you on hold, we're coming to the calls here real quick.
01:12But remember, okay, Debo.
01:13Why is Debo three yards per carry, below three yards per carry?
01:17Here's Kyle.
01:18Yeah.
01:19I mean, he hasn't had a big one.
01:20Hasn't had a bunch of great looks.
01:22There's two looks I think this year that he did have a pretty good look and just missed
01:25it.
01:26You know, where he could have had a big one.
01:27And when you don't get that big one and you've had a few bad looks, then that average isn't
01:32going to be good.
01:33Okay.
01:34And then what about the two running backs set that a lot of people want to see and Jordan
01:37Mason getting in there?
01:38Yeah.
01:39Two running backs on the field.
01:40Could.
01:41Can't give you our game plan, though.
01:42But yeah, it's always a possibility.
01:44Okay.
01:45It's always a possibility.
01:46Yeah.
01:47What's your philosophy on running back by committee?
01:48It wasn't like that for our first four years here.
01:50You know, we had three guys usually.
01:51You know, we had Tevin.
01:52We had Rahim.
01:53We got Brita.
01:54So I think we've always done it that way.
01:55Just depends on the backs.
01:57Since Christian's been here, I think it's the only time we've had one guy.
02:00And I think that's for obvious reasons.
02:02But when he's tired, you know, we spell him, especially with the good backups we have.
02:07Do you want to see Jordan Mason involved more?
02:10Yeah.
02:11I mean, I like all those guys playing, but it depends on the situation.
02:15Depends how many times you're getting the ball.
02:16Depends on the drives.
02:18But depends if we're going to put two backs out there.
02:21We need to do two backs and you've got to take either a big off or another receiver.
02:26But I'm not always thinking of how to get Christian off.
02:29Okay.
02:30Do you accept those answers?
02:31I do.
02:32I accept it.
02:33But I do think that you're going to see more of Jordan Mason.
02:36And his answer about, you know, I like all those guys.
02:39That to me is his way of saying, I'm not going to tell you yes because then it's game plan
02:43giveaway to his buddy Le Fleur.
02:46But I do think his first answer about two running backs.
02:50I think that he does listen to the show and he's heard me say it since Monday.
02:54And I also think that, you know, looking at your personnel, you need to get your five
02:58best eligible players on the field at once as often as possible.
03:02And McCaffrey's that guy.
03:03So if he's going to play 90% of the snaps, that's great.
03:07That means Mason gets 10% unless you do a couple of two running back sets and you put
03:11McCaffrey in the slot.
03:13And Debo, I don't know if you need him 100%, but he's going to be around 80 and Pierce
03:18all about 75 and Kittle's going to be around 90, 95.
03:22So you start to think about, and Juwan, he'll be out there for 85%.
03:26So unless you move McCaffrey elsewhere, JP Mason's not going to get enough snaps to really
03:31do anything.
03:32888-957-9570.
03:34Are we overreacting?
03:36And I really, like I asked the question genuinely, are we overreacting with the idea that Kyle
03:43Shanahan's system has been figured out?
03:47Yards per drive, number two.
03:49Points per drive, number 10.
03:51Punts per drive, number 32, which is also known as number one in the league.
03:55Fewest punts per drive.
03:57Plays per drive, number four.
03:59Scores per drive, number four.
04:00Drive success rate, number 10.
04:02Now, when we threw all that out there, someone hit us up on the Comcast Business Text Line
04:06and said this, from the 415, Willard, put all those numbers aside and tell me how do
04:11you feel when you're watching this team play games?
04:17Like crap.
04:19Like crap.
04:20Well, you feel good watching it, and then you get down to the 12-yard line and you think,
04:25all right, how are they going to settle for three here?
04:27No, I actually disagree.
04:29I don't feel good when I'm watching them play this year.
04:31I feel, I've never felt more frustrated watching a team, I've never felt more frustrated watching
04:37a team than watching this one.
04:42I understand what's happening in those moments, that a lot of that has to do with the expectations
04:48and the excitement that was surrounding this season, but like, I'm with you.
04:55I'm with you.
04:56This is incredibly frustrating.
04:57I don't ask the question to say, hey, don't you actually think it's okay?
05:02No.
05:03I don't think that.
05:04I don't think they think that.
05:06I guess my point is, again, it's two things.
05:09One, I think that, I would hope that this changes the outlook a little bit because you
05:15and I have both heard people literally this week be like, pack it in.
05:21Oh yeah.
05:22Let's see some young people play.
05:24Pack it in.
05:25One game out with seven to go.
05:27Good Lord, I'm not there.
05:28I'm not even close to there.
05:30But number two, even while I will sit here and agree that adjustments need to be made
05:35that have not been made, red zone efficiency has got to be better, all that stuff.
05:40But I certainly would back off the idea of Kyle Shanahan no longer knows how to call
05:46a play and his offense is just stuck in quicksand.
05:49They're not moving.
05:50I don't know, man.
05:51I can't wait to talk to Greg about this because all of these numbers suggest otherwise.
05:56It suggests that they're actually moving the ball up and down the field with some regularity,
06:02maybe more so than our emotions are allowing us to see.
06:05Yes, and I'll allow for that.
06:06The majority of the stats you gave were on a per drive basis and they're 30th in total
06:11drive.
06:12So if you're doing it per drive, those are all great numbers.
06:15Then if you're a team that only is going to have a handful of drives a game and I'm looking
06:19at my notes, they had three drives in the second half on Sunday, they had eight total
06:24drives.
06:25And that's if you count the last drive of the first half where they ran out of time.
06:29So eight drives, if you're going to have fewer drives than other teams, your red zone efficiency
06:34has got to be high because you don't have as many chances as these teams that are getting
06:3911 and even more drives per game.
06:42So all those numbers you lay out are great as long as you cash it in.
06:46And if you don't cash it in, it's like being at the blackjack table and you're up 300 and
06:51then you should just walk away and cash that baby in, get to the cashier, into the red
06:57zone, touchdown.
06:58But no, you press your luck and you wind up losing 80 bucks and now you're mad.
07:03That's kind of what this Niner, that's what the Niner experience is like.
07:06I get it.
07:07I get it.
07:08Cause you look good and it's Juwan, it's McCaffrey and it's Kittle and a little Debo and oh Juice
07:12and we all get excited.
07:13It's first and goal at the 19 and then it's BOOT BOOT BOOT.
07:18Where's Moody?
07:19Yeah.
07:20I thought we missed.
07:21Yeah.
07:22That was fun.
07:23Uh, by the way, uh, what about this one?
07:24They're lasting punts because of all those turnovers.
07:27Uh, number 11 in turnover differential in the NFL.
07:32That's differential, right?
07:33Yeah.
07:34Yeah.
07:35But that's plus three.
07:36In other words, they've got more, they have caused more turnovers than they've committed.
07:37Yep.
07:38Like, yeah.
07:39Again, you're right.
07:40The Brock Purdy's interception rate is up, but I wouldn't look at this team and think
07:45all those turnovers.
07:47Would you?
07:48No.
07:49I don't think they got the turnover bug.
07:50I think they got the penalty bug.
07:51Yeah.
07:52In turnover percentage, which is turnovers per drive, they are dead flat in the middle.
07:56I mean, 10.8% of the time the drive ends with a turnover, 16th in football.
08:02And, uh, the Raiders are dead last.
08:04They turn it over one in every five drives basically, but the teams that are at the best
08:09in that playoff teams, chargers, commanders, bills, uh, Steelers, Ravens, those are five
08:16of your five, your top six.
08:18Um, let's go to Steve-O on, uh, on the Niners here in the city.
08:22Hi, Steve-O.
08:23Thanks for calling.
08:24What's up?
08:25Hey guys.
08:26Uh, first, uh, Mark, I just want to say hello on the, on the radio.
08:29Uh, we got to shake hands at a thrash city last week.
08:32It was an honor to meet you and had a good time.
08:35Thank you for coming up to us.
08:36We love that.
08:37We love that.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Dibs.
08:40You're next.
08:41Yeah.
08:42You got that buddy.
08:43You're next.
08:44Glad to be Mark's plus one.
08:45So, uh, I want to talk about, um, the confidence level of the Niners and I think they're in
08:52real trouble.
08:53Um, in the beginning of the year, you know, they had these losses that we were kind of
08:58surprised by and they had all this quiet confidence about them that I thought, you
09:02know, we thought maybe it was just, you know, some swagger and, and, uh, and now, you know,
09:07you hear Fred Warner at the presser and he's like, you know, maybe, maybe this is actually
09:12who we are until we can prove otherwise.
09:15And I think, I think that's, you know, the nail on the head there.
09:18They're starting to doubt themselves a little bit.
09:20And until someone steps up and makes some big plays, you know, uh, Shanahan was talking
09:27about Devo making big play.
09:28He hasn't done that yet.
09:29Um, you know, uh, Jennings had, had a great game last game.
09:35We need a couple more guys to do that.
09:37You know, Christian's going to come back and maybe, maybe bust one out.
09:40And Bosa had, had a couple of sacks before he got injured.
09:45It's going to take a couple of those big spark plays to get these guys back up to a hundred
09:50percent.
09:51And right now, uh, you can hear it in Fred Warner's voice.
09:54I don't think they have it.
09:55Yeah.
09:57Okay.
09:58Stevo.
09:59Thanks.
10:00Uh, thanks so much for the call.
10:01The, uh, um, the Fred Warner soundbite that he's referring to was Fred kind of saying
10:07this is infuriating, um, but this is what we keep doing.
10:10So maybe almost, I have to accept that until we prove otherwise, this is us.
10:15I don't know if that's Fred suddenly lacking confidence.
10:19Fred's the leader on this team.
10:20So I think Fred is trying maybe a different angle to get a message across to his guys.
10:25I also think he's very discouraged, rightfully so.
10:28Like, I think all those things are true, but I don't think it's representative of them
10:34sort of lacking confidence.
10:35I still think that this team, they're looking at this and, and I know that a lot of people
10:41will say this isn't fair and nobody wants ifs and hypotheticals and all that stuff.
10:46But I would at least acknowledge that we as a group would feel very differently.
10:53In fact, we might be myopic about the Niners, um, chances if they had just, if they had
11:01just made three other plays, sure, they'd be eight and two.
11:06Well, they, they blew five plays against the Rams alone and that was a game that was undone,
11:11but they only need to make one of them.
11:12Pretty much.
11:13It was like a five play parlay, as you mentioned, like, let me give you three plays.
11:18I give you three plays and this is not fair because this is life and this is sports and
11:21you have to make the plays.
11:22Right.
11:23Right.
11:24But, but if Ronnie Bell catches the ball in, in LA and Jordan Mason doesn't fumble the
11:28ball against Arizona and Brock Purdy does an airmail Debo Samuel on Sunday, they're
11:34eight and two.
11:35Yeah, most likely.
11:36They're eight and two.
11:37Yeah.
11:38Now they did.
11:39So they're not.
11:40Exactly.
11:41And that's, I get.
11:42And that's, you know, that's where I live and that's where I sit and all the numbers
11:44you ran down are great.
11:45And I love those kinds of metrics, especially this time of the year, because you can really
11:49look at what a team has done.
11:52And then I look at a team like Kansas city and if you went through all those metrics
11:55with the chiefs, they stink, they're bad in all of them, but they make unbelievable plays
12:01in key moments in the fourth quarter.
12:02They're number four in the league in scoring their defenses mid pack.
12:06But when it gets time to, to win the game and Kyle mentioned it again today, you get
12:11to the fourth quarter and the majority of these games is either you do it or we do it
12:15in the final eight minutes and the Niners have not done it.
12:18So is that, is it Superbowl hangover?
12:20Is it young players not ready for the spotlight, bad coaching, is it all of the above?
12:26They're champions.
12:27Well, a lot of those guys aren't.
12:29Whoa.
12:30But collectively, again, I'm big, I'm big on the culture that you step into.
12:36You know, yesterday you made a comment about, well, hang on a second, Superbowl hangover.
12:40We've got a bunch of guys that weren't even on that team.
12:42Exactly.
12:43Right.
12:45And they stepped into a vibe and, and right now I would argue, and not just right now,
12:51quite frankly, all year long, we've been talking about the vibe.
12:56It's not good.
12:57It's not good from Brandon.
12:58I used to hold out to Trent Williams, hold out to Christian McCaffrey's injury to Ricky
13:04Pierce, all being shot and on and on and on Debo confronting a kicker, slapping, slapping
13:10a snapper.
13:11Right.
13:12You've got a slapper situation.
13:13You got undisciplined play.
13:15You've got come from ahead losses against ridiculous opponents that you outplayed.
13:20All of these things build and you're watching Fred Warner looks totally dejected.
13:26Nick Bosa's biggest moments this year have been political, not athletic.
13:30Well, that's, that's a stretch.
13:32No, but if you, okay, understand what I mean there.
13:34I do.
13:35I do.
13:36But he's coming off a great game and he's hurt, but he's a great player, but he had
13:39an interception.
13:41The most memorable American content, Nick Bosa moment this year was what?
13:46American content.
13:47I'm not going to get, I'm not going to get bogged down in this argument, but it's not
13:51an argument.
13:52I know what you're saying.
13:53It's a point of distraction.
13:55And it's a point where everything, the culture, it does not feel like 53 guys, one page.
14:00Everything we're talking about with the 49ers this year is all the things except for the
14:04good football that like, it's all of these things.
14:09They can be negative, positive, whatever.
14:11That's not a political statement.
14:12It's simply a matter of fact that everything about these 49ers this year has been distracting.
14:19It's been off the field.
14:20It's been financial.
14:22It's been all of that stuff.
14:24And so if I'm, if I'm Malik Mustafa, dude, it's no different than the kid who lives in
14:30the house of the parents who are about to get divorced.
14:32You're soaking that crap up.
14:34Yeah.
14:35I don't think that it's as bad as you're portraying.
14:37I think that there's just frustration in the losses that should be wins.
14:41And you look at any, all the numbers you ran down and I could hit you with DVOA.
14:46They're number six, which is the ultimate geek metric that takes everything into account.
14:51Pro football focus overall.
14:53They're number four in pro football focus ratings.
14:57So you listed off 10 top tens.
15:00There are six in DVOA.
15:01There are four here.
15:02They're great.
15:03They have a positive point differential.
15:05You put all that thing into a stew and you're five and five.
15:08Right.
15:09And what I'm saying is both answers matter.
15:11Exactly.
15:12That does matter.
15:13DVOA does matter.
15:14The numbers I'm throwing out, it matters.
15:16The Niners don't suck.
15:18They don't suck, but they're also five and five and they kind of suck in certain spots.
15:24And I do think that there's room for both the mathematical answers, which we're talking
15:28a lot about today and the emotional ones.
15:32And I'm not saying that the Niners have a bad locker room or a negative environment
15:35or all that, but the rookies are, they are soaking up whatever the vibe of the room is.
15:41And it has felt somewhere between distracted, emotionally exhausted, frustrated, whatever
15:47it is.
15:48It's all of those things.
15:50That's what's in the room right now.
15:51I get it.
15:52And for me, that is a minor piece of the bigger problem, which is on the field, you've got
15:58discipline issues.
16:00You're making mistakes that championship caliber teams don't make.
16:03Those pre-snap penalties, things like lining up incorrectly, wasn't this game, but it was
16:08a game before.
16:09And remember, you had, you had Pierce all in there and another receiver and they're
16:13pointing to each other.
16:14Like you, you move up.
16:15You move up.
16:16It was Conley.
16:18It was Conley.
16:19And then they snapped the ball.
16:20And it's like the two of them are like doing that Spider-Man meme where they're just pointing
16:21at each other.
16:22You go, you, me?
16:23No, you?
16:24Okay.
16:25So it's a little, for me, it's attention to detail.
16:27And part of that culture is young players and inexperienced players, but it's also,
16:31you know what this team needs to button up.
16:34Your special teams have been sloppy.
16:36You've made careless mistakes on both sides of the ball.
16:39And it's led you to where you get into these big spots and you don't come through.
16:45You put yourself behind the eight ball or, you know, defensively last game, you give
16:49them the ball back.
16:50And I know the ref should have called a five yard penalty for back-to-back timeouts, which
16:54would have made it fourth and one.
16:56And you either go forward or you kick a field goal and maybe all that plays out differently.
17:00But they didn't.
17:01And you punted it into the end zone unnecessarily, another mental mistake, and then the rest
17:07is history.
17:08Well, I do think this, you know, there's a reason, for example, and we've had these conversations
17:13a lot before, like, and I go back to last year's Eagles game.
17:17So Eagles are 10-1, they're hosting the Niners.
17:20The Niners had lost the year before in the NFC title game.
17:23The Niners come in and they're a three-point favorite.
17:25And you remember the whole conversation.
17:26I was like, what the hell are the Niners doing favored?
17:29And I had my own opinion about it, but we brought in our Vegas guy and I said, explain
17:34to me what's going on here.
17:36Don't just tell me, like, yeah, we think the Niners are better.
17:39Like, what's going on here?
17:41And it was fascinating to me to learn more about how a spread comes together.
17:46And Vegas, as you all know, they're not doing this just because, like, ah, let's get a cup
17:51of coffee.
17:52I don't know, it feels like three and a half.
17:53All right, cool.
17:54Like, they are diving deep.
17:57They're going, what about this matchup?
17:59What about that matchup?
18:00What do the Niners actually do in the red zone?
18:04What do they do in between the 20s?
18:05What do they do in the pass game, run game, this matchup?
18:09Like you just brought up, DVOA.
18:11Let's go deep into the numbers and find out what really makes this matchup tick.
18:18They sit here at 5-5, and for the first time in two years-
18:2330 games.
18:24That's insanity.
18:2530 games.
18:26For the first time in 30 games, Vegas has decided the other team is supposed to win,
18:33and that other team is really good.
18:35They're at home, and they're supposed to win by, put fingers near each other, this much.
18:40Yeah, less than a field goal.
18:42So this team that we have decided frustrates the living hell out of us, and that's fair.
18:48But how many, raise your hand, I'm one of them.
18:51How many people, post-Sunday, texted a friend or a family member, the Niners suck?
18:58I did.
18:59Yeah, not me.
19:00Whatever.
19:01Like, I was mad.
19:02I mean, it was Playfuls with the family, I'm just like, Niners stink, blah, blah, blah.
19:05I can't say that word out loud with a two-and-a-half-year-old who's a sponge.
19:09Well, texting it is not, so it's okay.
19:12But I get it.
19:13Do you know what I mean?
19:14Oh, you're angry, Jim.
19:15It is.
19:16It's awesome.
19:17I am just like you.
19:19I am so frustrated, but I think there are windows out there that you can look through
19:27if you want to and see that there's something that's still there.
19:33Yeah, there's no doubt.
19:34You ever see that Bagger Vance movie?
19:37Of course.
19:38Yeah, you get to, like, your swing is in there, you just got to go find it.
19:41But the Niners now are on the 12th hole.
19:43Of course.
19:44And they are on the verge of missing the cut.
19:48Right.
19:49You need to start making a couple of birdies here.
19:51You can't give away some of these easy par-fives anymore.
19:55Now this game this weekend is not an easy par-five.
19:56I don't know if there's any easy par-fives left.
19:59You now need to go birdie the 200.
20:00The Bears at home should be.
20:02Well, fine.
20:03But that game doesn't even matter if you don't do something these next two weeks.
20:06Right.
20:07It barely matters.
20:08You know what I mean?
20:09Like, if the Niners lose these next two weeks, the idea that they're going to go 5-0 for
20:14the rest of the year, that feels a little harebrained.
20:17It'd be tough.
20:18No doubt.
20:19You know, yeah.
20:20They're allowed to.
20:21Great.
20:22They've got to win one of these two.
20:24It's funny you mention all this because I was going through from my pick and pool and
20:28I'm Googling every team against the spread as an underdog this year and I couldn't find
20:33the Niners.
20:34I'm looking and I looked at the list twice and then I'm like, dummy, they haven't been
20:38an underdog in 30 games since the NFC Championship.
20:42So there's no data, Mark, or data.
20:45You're a coupon guy.
20:46I go coupons.
20:47We differ there, but there's no data on them as an underdog this year.
20:51And the last time they were an underdog, their quarterback's arm flew off, right?
20:54Yeah.
20:55What was the last time before that?
20:56Oh, look, but I don't even know if it was that year.
21:01You know?
21:02I mean, I don't know.
21:03I don't know.
21:04I can't remember.
21:05Yeah.
21:06Check the, for me, Jimmy G Kansas City game.
21:09Jimmy G still in Kansas City game.
21:12Okay.
21:13Like, I wonder if the Chiefs were favored in that game.
21:15I just looked in 2022, they were one and two against the spread as an underdog.