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- Miftah Ismail APP
- Kamran Akmal (Former Cricketer)
PTI Protest | How Much has the Treasury Lost Due to Protests? | Maria Memon's Analysis
"Awam nay 8 February ko Faisla Krdia tha Hukumat Nay Nahi Mana ...." Miftah Ismail Analysis
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Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair (Senior Leader)
- Miftah Ismail APP
- Kamran Akmal (Former Cricketer)
PTI Protest | How Much has the Treasury Lost Due to Protests? | Maria Memon's Analysis
"Awam nay 8 February ko Faisla Krdia tha Hukumat Nay Nahi Mana ...." Miftah Ismail Analysis
Zimbabwe trump Pakistan by 80 runs through DLS method - Kamran Akmal's Reaction
"PTI, PPP,PMLN Ko Baith Kar Baat Karna Paregi...." Miftah Ismail's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman and you are watching Top Stories.
00:14The political instability that is going on in Pakistan right now,
00:19this issue is not ending.
00:22What is the solution to this situation?
00:24Will there be a hot and cold combination in politics?
00:28Will there be tranquility?
00:30Will there be protests?
00:32Will there be rallies?
00:33Will we keep moving forward like this?
00:35Or will we have to put a full stop to this?
00:37And if we have to put a full stop, what will be the solution?
00:39We will talk about this in the program.
00:40After that, Naseeb and Faraz come in the role of the cricket team.
00:43Sometimes, they defeat a strong team like Australia on their own home ground.
00:48Today, they were struggling in front of the Zimbabwe team.
00:50Why is there no consistency in your performance?
00:53We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:55In the end, what is the minimum income in Pakistan?
00:58This is the issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
01:03In the last part of the program, we will tell you what is the minimum income in other countries and what is it in Pakistan.
01:09Let's start.
01:10A few moments ago, a notepad came in front of me.
01:12The schools in Islamabad are closed for tomorrow.
01:17If there is a one-day educational deficit, the students are left behind.
01:22Will the schools be closed again the next day?
01:25How long will we keep moving forward like this?
01:28Will our students keep paying the price for this?
01:31The political instability that the political class and stakeholders of this country have to address.
01:37Whenever there is any kind of protest in the country, it has a tangible cost, which is in the money.
01:46There is also an intangible cost of the political system.
01:52There is a loss in terms of money.
01:54It can be estimated.
01:56Like our finance minister said, how much is the loss?
02:02Our economic advisory wing is the Ministry of Finance.
02:05They have estimated 190 billion rupees per day.
02:10If this goes on for two days, three days, four days, God forbid, one week.
02:14What a loss to the economy.
02:45We have seen in this country for the past ten years that if someone wants to protest politically,
02:50they go to Islamabad.
02:52The TLP has come out and closed the city.
02:55Tariq-e-Insaf goes to Islamabad for protest.
02:58If Mullah Nazim Rehman's party has grievances with the judicial system, they come to Islamabad.
03:03We have seen that this has happened in the past.
03:06Different pressure groups come to Islamabad.
03:09But this time, the government has closed everything.
03:15How sustainable is this?
03:17How long will this continue?
03:19All stakeholders will pay the price.
03:23We will talk about the repercussions.
03:27But I have taken out some newspaper charts.
03:30What is the loss from the protests from 2013 to 2020?
03:33A loss of approximately 1.5 billion rupees.
03:35A loss of more than one billion rupees from the 2017 TLP protest.
03:38These are all reported facts.
03:40How much loss was there when the TLP protested in 2018?
03:43Chief Justice Aqib Nisar had taken notice of the losses in the protests.
03:47He said that the government should answer in three days.
03:50This was in 2018.
03:52But even then, no solution was found.
03:54If Punjab is closed for a day, the figures that are coming out,
03:58the loss of 28 billion rupees per day.
04:01Government officials say that the government has spent 2.7 billion rupees to stop these protests.
04:12But why are these protests being held?
04:15Why is Tariq-e-Ishaaq on the streets?
04:17Because they have a demand.
04:19They say that their election mandate has been snatched.
04:22It should be sorted out.
04:24It seems that there is no scope for that in the system.
04:27They say that our leaders should be released at this time.
04:31We are not seeing any signs of that.
04:33So how will this debate settle?
04:35Is there a way forward?
04:37Or will we continue to travel in the same direction?
04:39We have invited Mr. Mifta Ismail to our program today.
04:43He is the General Secretary of the Pakistan Party.
04:45Mr. Zubair is a senior politician.
04:47Because the current situation of the government and PTA,
04:50their maximum position is that they are adamant on their position.
04:58So we ask Mr. Mifta Ismail, Mr. Zubair,
05:01as a neutral bystander,
05:03do you think that there is a solution to this current situation?
05:07Mr. Mifta, let me start with you.
05:09Right now everything is closed.
05:11Islamabad is closed.
05:12It may not be as active in Karachi,
05:14but in Punjab, Islamabad,
05:16we have been in a state of panic for the past 48 hours.
05:18We don't even know how long it will remain closed.
05:20So do you think that there is a way forward?
05:26Or will it continue as it is?
05:30Thank you, Maria.
05:32First of all, there is a request.
05:34In Karachi, from yesterday evening,
05:36the mobile phone service is closed.
05:38At least last night, my mobile phone was not working.
05:40Today, I was at home.
05:42The internet is working at home,
05:44but the phone internet comes and goes.
05:46So even in Karachi,
05:48they have put restrictions on the internet.
05:50Lahore, Islamabad,
05:52everything is closed.
05:54Last time, I got stuck in a protest.
05:56So I know how long I have been stuck.
05:58So there is a traffic block,
06:00and all kinds of problems.
06:02See, the loss of one day's GDP
06:04of Pakistan is about 300 billion rupees.
06:06If Lahore and Islamabad are closed,
06:08there will be a loss of 100-125 billion rupees,
06:10even on a Sunday.
06:12Obviously, the way the government
06:14has been reacting for the past 2-3 days,
06:16right now, Pakistan has the largest
06:18container in Islamabad,
06:20and it will be in Muzzafat.
06:22It is overreacting.
06:24It is worrying.
06:26Time is wasted.
06:28As you said, the children's school will be wasted.
06:30So this is a big loss.
06:32But it is not a big loss
06:34that you have to pay the police
06:36100 crores or 25 crores
06:38extra overtime, etc.
06:40It is a big loss
06:42that what is happening all over the world
06:44about Pakistan.
06:46That this fight is still going on in Pakistan.
06:48That these elections
06:50have been held in February,
06:52and we have not been able to cancel them yet.
06:54The government has basically
06:56made the law illegal.
06:58It has basically made the law illegal
07:00for the independence of the judiciary
07:02to save its seat,
07:04so that no tribunal decision can be made.
07:06And just now you were showing a clip
07:08where the people themselves make the decision.
07:10So the truth is that the people
07:12made the decision on 8th February.
07:14The government did not agree to that decision.
07:16Therefore, these are the problems.
07:18Now we will have to find a solution to this.
07:20The PTI has also thought
07:22that we will do protests and Jihad.
07:24Now they are used to 2014
07:26when the police were with you.
07:28When there were any gaps,
07:30the poor police could not do it.
07:32They would open the gaps.
07:34Now Imran Khan knows
07:36that at that time everything was very easy.
07:38The fingers of the empire were with him.
07:40So fighting the army
07:42does not make sense.
07:44And there is no doubt
07:46that Imran Khan is the most popular
07:48politician in Pakistan.
07:50So if Imran Khan takes out 20,000,
07:5240,000 or even lakhs,
07:54it does not make any difference
07:56because we know that the nation is with him.
07:58But the more you make it difficult,
08:00the fewer people will come out.
08:02Then if you are using the machinery
08:04of the KP government,
08:06then you are also cheating the public trust.
08:08You were not allowed to protest
08:10because of the machinery
08:12of the KP government.
08:14It seems that all the children
08:16are making that decision.
08:18This is very worrying.
08:20I am not able to make any decision.
08:22Yesterday when I finished my program,
08:24I said that somewhere
08:26some sense should prevail.
08:28Someone should sit down
08:30and find a way out.
08:32Because no matter how much
08:34you want to show
08:36aggression,
08:38the matter will be on the table.
08:40Now the only thing that has to be decided
08:42is what are the conditions on that table.
08:44Who can convince more?
08:46Who has more leverage for negotiation?
08:48But you are not able to see
08:50any sense prevailing.
08:52If you release some prisoners
08:54of Tehreek-e-Insaf,
08:56then the government will also get some face-saving.
08:58Yasmeen Rashid is in jail for a long time.
09:00Mr. Khan will also get back-up.
09:02It seems that this is not possible.
09:08Maria, you were telling
09:10about the finance minister.
09:12Mifta has also told us
09:14about the losses of the party.
09:16I am just reminding you
09:18that when Imran Khan
09:20dissolved the Assembly of Punjab
09:22in January 2023,
09:24the KP Assembly
09:26and the current government
09:28did not want the election.
09:30One of the reasons
09:32was that
09:34the election commission
09:36asked for 23 billion.
09:38The Assembly passed a resolution
09:40that it is not budgeted.
09:4223 billion.
09:44And the finance minister
09:46himself said 190 billion.
09:48So when you were not
09:50willing to do it,
09:52you made an excuse of 23 billion.
09:54Both are responsible for this.
09:56But Mifta asked
09:58where did this problem
10:00start from.
10:02If you manage
10:04the election in this way,
10:06and I want to tell you
10:08another statistic.
10:10On the night of the election,
10:12on February 8th and 9th,
10:14everyone saw the changes
10:16in Form 45 and 47.
10:18How the results have been changed.
10:20The post electoral process
10:22after that,
10:24the irregularities
10:26and the constitutional requirements
10:28that have to be fulfilled in 6 months.
10:3015 tribunals have been made
10:32by the election commission of Pakistan.
10:3415 for 5 KP,
10:364 for Sindh,
10:383 for Balochistan,
10:401 for 3 seats of Islamabad.
10:42Because there is a provisional assembly.
10:44And Punjab where
10:46there were elections
10:48on 350 seats,
10:50there are 2 tribunals.
10:52You can imagine
10:54that if you make the process
10:56difficult,
10:58and expect that people will not react.
11:00And how should the reaction be?
11:02If the president of Belarus is coming,
11:04you should not take care of him.
11:06If the SCO summit is happening,
11:08you should not take care of him.
11:10When that is not happening,
11:12then what initiative does the government take?
11:14That is the key question.
11:16What should happen now?
11:18Let's move ahead.
11:20You and Mr. Mifta have already explained
11:22that everyone knows.
11:24Let's strategize from here.
11:28If we want to reduce the temperature,
11:30how will that happen?
11:32What concessions will Mr. Khan have to give?
11:34Because both sides have to give face-saving to each other.
11:36Let's start with Mr. Khan.
11:38If they have to give face-saving to the government,
11:40what can they give?
11:42Or what can they not give?
11:44To what extent can they go?
11:46Maria, remember one thing.
11:48If we call ourselves a democracy,
11:50whether we are or not,
11:52but if we call ourselves a democracy,
11:54then the decision of the people
11:56should be the decision
11:58of the government.
12:00Whatever decision you make,
12:02you will have to put a new election in it.
12:04That we will have an election again.
12:06A free and fair election.
12:08It will not be like what happened on 8th February.
12:10The election was free and fair.
12:12The results will not be of your choice.
12:14The results will be of honesty.
12:16So you will have to talk about that.
12:18Then you will have to talk about
12:20that we will not have an election again.
12:22We will have it after a year or a year and a half.
12:24Within a year and a half,
12:26let's give a share to Mr. Imran Khan's party.
12:28It is possible that you will tell
12:30Mr. Shahbaz Sharif to leave.
12:32Someone else should come from Noon.
12:34A more acceptable face like Ahsan Iqbal.
12:36Or someone from People's Party or PTI.
12:38Like Gauhar Ijaz or Naveed Qamar.
12:40Such a Prime Minister should be in the interim.
12:42Or like Akhtar Mengal.
12:44And he should leave for a year.
12:46And after a year, you should have elections.
12:48With a new election commission.
12:50If this is ever their decision,
12:52then it can be around this.
12:54This will be its basic.
12:56As far as PTI has made one mistake,
12:58if I may take permission,
13:00that they have focused on
13:02leaving Imran Khan.
13:04Shah Mahmood Qureshi has also been
13:06inside for so long.
13:08Yasmeen Rashid Sahiba is also inside for so long.
13:10To say that Pakistan is in turmoil
13:12and only Imran Khan is a flower.
13:14This is not appropriate.
13:16There are many other Pakistanis.
13:18They are good people.
13:20They should talk about elections.
13:22They should talk about democracy.
13:24And they should also include
13:26other parties.
13:28But if they do not come
13:30in front of Imran Khan's cult of personality,
13:32then this is also their mistake.
13:34And that is why I told PTI friends
13:36that you think that you are
13:38the most popular party in Pakistan.
13:40You are the biggest party.
13:42Imran is the most popular leader.
13:44But he has been in jail for a year.
13:46And all your efforts have failed
13:48because you have only taken
13:50the path of fighting.
13:52There is the most expensive electricity
13:54in the world in Pakistan.
13:56We have never asked PTI leaders
13:58to tell us about it.
14:00There is so much expensive gas in Pakistan
14:02that there is nowhere in the region
14:04where PTI leaders have never talked about it.
14:06Your party's press conference
14:08was more active than PTI's.
14:10I don't think there was
14:12any active opposition to it.
14:16The point is that PTI
14:18is just focused about PTI.
14:20Our sister Maryam
14:22also used to talk about PTI.
14:24Mr. Zubair will tell you.
14:26They were also oppressed.
14:28There was injustice on them
14:30without a doubt.
14:32But you can't just focus on them
14:34You have to talk about the nation.
14:36PTI has not talked about the nation.
14:38If they say that they will not
14:40give gas to the captive power
14:42in Punjab or Pakistan,
14:44then they never talk about it.
14:46They talk about Imran Khan.
14:48They don't talk about Yasmeen Rashid
14:50who is a cancer survivor
14:52and an old woman in jail.
14:54They don't talk about Shah Mahmood.
14:56I think PTI will have to
14:58move towards democracy.
15:00They will have to reduce
15:02the focus on Imran Khan.
15:04Then they will have to
15:06find a solution.
15:08But Mr. Zubair was right
15:10that the government should
15:12reduce the temperature.
15:14The government should
15:16take a big step.
15:18But Mr. Zubair, the problem
15:20is that this is a matter
15:22of political survival.
15:24We have put the political system
15:26of Pakistan in such a state
15:28that if one party is in jail,
15:30the other party will be in jail.
15:32If the government does not
15:34return the mandate,
15:36but gives space to Tariq-e-Insaf,
15:38then it is not possible
15:40for their political survival.
15:42That is why Nissam is in a dead end.
15:44We have taken such extreme positions
15:46that it is either a throne or a throne.
15:50Actually, the position
15:52that Maria is in right now,
15:54the solution that Mifta gave
15:56is that there should be
15:58an interim period
16:00and then a free, fair and transparent election.
16:02But the problem is that
16:04if you know the people
16:06of the government of the time
16:08and are familiar with their thinking,
16:10they want to destroy PTI
16:12for all times to come.
16:14For them, if PTI remains,
16:16they will never have power
16:18in a free, fair election.
16:20Mr. Zubair, let me add something.
16:22They think that if Mr. Imran Khan
16:24gets space and government,
16:26they will destroy PTI.
16:28So, it is either you die or you die.
16:32Absolutely, but one thing
16:34is the government's mistake,
16:36which I think is a mistake.
16:38When the election was held
16:40in February 2024,
16:42PTI had the most seats.
16:44If PMLN had not formed the government,
16:46they would have let PTI
16:48to form the government.
16:50This is the same Imran Khan
16:52who, when the vote of no confidence
16:54was cast,
16:5612 out of 13 by-elections
16:58had lost.
17:0012 by-elections out of 13.
17:02It was not that he was always popular.
17:04There were some reasons for his popularity.
17:06One of the contributing factors
17:08was PMLN or PVP
17:10coming to power
17:12and targeting PTI
17:14and giving them
17:16all the support.
17:18Then, sitting in the lap of the establishment
17:20and making PTI or Imran Khan
17:22the champion of the anti-establishment
17:24campaign,
17:26which has always been
17:28the mandate of Nawaz Sharif
17:30in Pakistan.
17:34But, Zubair sahib,
17:36if we had given you the government
17:38by following your words,
17:40then PMLN and the rest
17:42would have gone to jail.
17:44Khan sahib would have
17:46taken revenge.
17:48Let me clarify one thing.
17:50Maria, let me clarify one thing.
17:52In 2022,
17:54when the vote of no confidence
17:56was cast,
17:58some PMLN leaders,
18:00like Khurram Das Saqeer,
18:02and many others,
18:04said that it was because
18:06Tainati was to be held in November.
18:08If Tainati was held in November,
18:10then the constitution would have been destroyed.
18:12Now, there is nothing left of the constitution.
18:14It is not an appointment.
18:16So, on this basis,
18:18if Tainati comes,
18:20then what will he do?
18:22Let's talk about politics.
18:24Mr. Miftad, where is politics now?
18:26Do you think that the politics
18:28that PMLN is doing,
18:30is their best practice?
18:32Don't they have any other option?
18:34If Khan sahib stays in jail,
18:36only then will he be able to
18:38govern peacefully.
18:40If he comes out,
18:42he will give a tough time.
18:44I think the national
18:46politics will be better.
18:48Look, Maria,
18:50from a political point of view,
18:52when PTI calls for a protest,
18:54and PMLN,
18:56if they call the government PMLN,
18:58if they put a container,
19:00then it is a political defeat.
19:02If the Muslim League,
19:04earlier it used to be that
19:06if Ibrahim Khan used to protest
19:08for 50,000,
19:10then the strategy of the Muslim League
19:12was that we will protest for 60,000
19:14If you do it in Lahore,
19:16we will do it in Gujranwala.
19:18If you do it in Faisalabad,
19:20we will do it in Islamabad,
19:22Rawalpindi.
19:24Now it is not like that.
19:26Now you are just defending
19:28that he calls for a protest,
19:30you put a container,
19:32he calls for a protest,
19:34you put a container.
19:36What is the politics of the Muslim League?
19:38There is no politics of the Muslim League.
19:40You ask Zorao,
19:42if in Punjab,
19:44the way you are arresting,
19:46the way you are making people quiet,
19:48the way you have changed
19:50some political loyalty,
19:52this is a bit of politics.
19:54If you are thinking that
19:56the Muslim League was defeated
19:58on 24th February,
20:00then you see what will happen next time.
20:02There is no doubt that the economy
20:04has improved a bit and the inflation
20:06has decreased, so they deserve to be
20:08shown some face.
20:10At this time, the anger of the people
20:12can only come down on the ballot box
20:14and you can see that on the next ballot box.
20:16The Muslim League is not doing any politics.
20:18That is why the People's Party
20:20comes every day, gives a little statement
20:22against them and then comes back.
20:24At least they do small politics.
20:26But this is not part of the politics
20:28of Pakistan that you catch people
20:30and go to their homes and harass
20:32their daughters and daughters-in-law
20:34or put so many containers.
20:36This is not our politics.
20:38This is not even a long-term strategy.
20:40This is not even a long-term strategy.
20:42Mr. Zubair, the situation is that
20:44there are two scenarios.
20:46Either Tehreek-e-Insaf will be
20:48successful in bringing people
20:50to the streets for protest.
20:52This is one possibility.
20:54We will see about that.
20:56The second possibility is that
20:58the government will not let them
21:00come and they will not be able
21:02to come out in large numbers.
21:04Let's unpack both.
21:06Will Tehreek-e-Insaf be mobilized?
21:08Will the protest workers be mobilized?
21:10Is this the final chance of Tehreek-e-Insaf
21:12to give the government a tough time?
21:18PM LN has decided
21:20and it is a very simple decision
21:22that most of the people
21:24are with PTI.
21:26And if we catch them like this,
21:28scare them like this,
21:30put containers like this,
21:32if we do not follow this strategy,
21:34then if lakhs of people come out,
21:36then the outcome will be the same.
21:38So, the option is only,
21:40which is a very risky option,
21:42that you make this image
21:44in front of the whole world
21:46in which there is arrest.
21:48Maria, let me tell you
21:50with my personal information
21:52that the way they are being arrested
21:54and taken inside,
21:56I am saying this
21:58on the basis of my personal information.
22:00I have never heard
22:02that these people are involved in this
22:04and all the government people
22:06approve it on this basis
22:08that if they are terrorizing them.
22:10It is very difficult
22:12that what words they used.
22:14When Maryam Nawaz
22:16had a rally on 13th December 2020,
22:18she said either this way or that way.
22:20It was the same in that too,
22:22that either this way or that way.
22:24I was also in Lahore.
22:26You are right.
22:28But the problem is that
22:30we will not leave this,
22:32we will come, we will take over,
22:34we will do this, we will do that.
22:36This political bravado is fine.
22:38You are telling your voters
22:40that you are a Maulajat of KP.
22:42But then it becomes easy for the government
22:44to say that they are coming
22:46to spread the rumour,
22:48they are coming
22:50to make a mess.
22:56Look, Maria, the government
22:58is not saying that they are coming
23:00to spread the rumour,
23:02they are coming to make a mess.
23:04There are two things.
23:06When there was a little negotiation
23:08in the middle,
23:10Salman Raja
23:12went to ARY
23:14and said that yes,
23:16Imran Khan
23:18said that he will do
23:20the protest in the cantonment
23:22and in front of the commander's house.
23:24Salman Raja himself said that.
23:26When the negotiations did not reach anywhere,
23:28Salman Raja himself withdrew from his statement
23:30that no, this was not his intention,
23:32this was his intention.
23:34The truth is that the leadership of the army
23:36is stuck on the fact that you people
23:38attacked our houses, our cantonments
23:40in May 9th,
23:42and the Pakistani people
23:44have never done this to their army.
23:46They do not consider this acceptable
23:48and you will have to get down
23:50that hurdle.
23:52It is not enough to say that
23:54you have to do one thing
23:56and basically you have to say
23:58that yes, we said peacefully,
24:00what Salman Raja said,
24:02and on the basis of that,
24:04you should not lie that
24:06we did not do this.
24:08You will have to give closure.
24:10Secondly,
24:12Imran Khan has
24:14Gaur Khan,
24:16he has Asad Qaisar,
24:18he has Salman Raja.
24:20To make a committee of these three
24:22people, if you give them three months,
24:24you will find a way out of the government.
24:26This is a lie on top of the government,
24:28but in reality,
24:30it will be with Asad Malkan.
24:32The government is a saleman,
24:34not a manager,
24:36so the matter will go back.
24:38But by making a committee of these three people,
24:40you will be free for two or three months,
24:42you will think that they have
24:44a lot of resources from you,
24:46now you cannot do things.
24:48This is not 2014.
24:50In this new reality,
24:52you should take a little political space,
24:54you have serious people with you,
24:56get them to work.
24:58The serious people,
25:00the political space.
25:02The problem on both sides is that
25:04there is such a maximal position
25:06on both sides,
25:08that there is no room for sanity,
25:10if there are any doves in the middle.
25:12I would like to say a point.
25:14I would like to ask about
25:16the solution to the problem of
25:18the PTI,
25:20what can be done?
25:24First of all,
25:26the time government
25:28and the establishment
25:30had decided to end the PTI.
25:32The by-elections in Punjab
25:34were to be held in April 2023,
25:36before May 9th.
25:38You had snatched the mandate from them.
25:40So you are saying that
25:42until the closure of May 9th,
25:44it is absolutely right that
25:46there should be punishments.
25:48You had already decided
25:50that you will not hold the elections,
25:52which was constitutionally mandated
25:54and was the gravest
25:56constitutional violation.
26:00But these two things
26:02are different.
26:04Two wrongs do not make a right.
26:06Vandalism.
26:08But when we analyze
26:10Bangladesh,
26:12when we analyze
26:14Pakistan-India separation,
26:16we bring all the facts
26:18about the reaction of the Bengalis.
26:20I would say,
26:22Mr. Mifta is saying that
26:24there should be closure
26:26to move forward.
26:28Everyone needs face-saving.
26:30Prosecution and punishments.
26:32On the other hand,
26:34there should be face-saving.
26:36Will there be a solution
26:38for the three months
26:40that Mr. Mifta is talking about?
26:42Absolutely.
26:44The name that he has taken,
26:46I think,
26:48no government can say
26:50that they are not serious people.
26:52Salman Akram Raja is one of the
26:54respectable persons.
26:56Asad Qaiser, Barrister Gauhar,
26:58they are all good people.
27:00They have a good intent
27:02and they want a solution
27:04to move the country forward.
27:06When you give such names,
27:08and I agree that
27:10there should be a thorough picture
27:12of Pakistan.
27:14Imran Khan's release is very important.
27:16He is their leader.
27:18He does politics.
27:20Yasmeen Rashid,
27:22all those people who are caught
27:24wrongly,
27:26who have not been convicted
27:28on the basis of wrong cases,
27:30should be released.
27:32The larger picture is
27:34how to move forward
27:36and give concrete proposals
27:38with people who can be trusted
27:40from both sides.
27:42If such talks come forward,
27:44then I think the economy
27:46will also start looking positive.
27:48But Mr. Zubair,
27:50do you think that all sides
27:52have their own hostages?
27:56I don't think so.
27:58I don't think so.
28:00PMLN will move away
28:02from its present status.
28:04Because they have been
28:06ruling for the last 4.5 years
28:08and will be ruling
28:10for the next 5 years.
28:12So, giving them something
28:14where they see the government
28:16going away,
28:18after a year,
28:20they will not accept it.
28:22So, it will be through
28:24a street battle,
28:26if anything happens.
28:28Because PTI cannot get justice
28:30from the judiciary
28:32after the 26th amendment
28:34ECP has shown itself.
28:36Media has been muzzled.
28:38So, you are saying
28:40that all roads have been closed.
28:42So, Mr. Mifta,
28:44if all roads have been closed,
28:46will they protest on the streets?
28:48Do you have any other option?
28:50Do you think that they should
28:52wait for 3 more months
28:54and discuss,
28:56when they don't have
28:58any other options?
29:00Absolutely.
29:02As Mr. Zubair knows,
29:04what Mr. Shahbaz Sharif wants
29:06or what the Muslim League wants,
29:08is not so crucial.
29:10What other people want,
29:12is decided by them.
29:14Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
29:16to be honest,
29:18didn't even win his side seat
29:20in Lahore.
29:22So, he doesn't have
29:24any moral authority
29:26like Mian Nawaz Sharif
29:28had in 2013
29:30Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
29:32and Raja Riaz
29:34will have to agree.
29:36Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
29:38and Raja Riaz
29:40will have to agree.
29:42Mr. Shahbaz Sharif
29:44and Raja Riaz
29:46will have to agree.
29:48The second request is
29:50that we won't protest
29:52for 3 months.
29:54I have taken 3 names.
29:56He is my friend.
29:58Mr. Umar Ayub
30:00and Mr. Shibani Faraz
30:02are very good people.
30:04Not everyone in PTI
30:06is a good person.
30:08They are sensible people.
30:10You can put 4-5 people on duty
30:12to find a solution.
30:14If there is no solution for 3-4 months,
30:16then we will see.
30:18But why be negative right now?
30:20I think if we talk sincerely,
30:22without any threat,
30:24Ali Amin Gandapur
30:26has a different tone.
30:28His actions are different.
30:30He plays his own safety pot.
30:32He has his own government.
30:34He has his own safety.
30:36He can easily reach the KP Assembly.
30:38Ali Amin Gandapur
30:40is different.
30:42He is different.
30:44He is different.
30:46But the truth is that
30:48you have sensible people.
30:50Talk to them.
30:52Give them space.
30:54You have contradicted the army
30:56so much that
30:58they have political space
31:00only with Muslim League Noon
31:02and People's Party.
31:04When you make it easy for the army,
31:06they will be able to choose you.
31:08We are not talking about a political party
31:10which has not used
31:12the support of the establishment.
31:14Which thinks that
31:16this kind of politics should not be done.
31:18Your politics was that
31:20the establishment brought us.
31:22You called them animals.
31:24Give them a chance
31:26to choose you.
31:28Noon will not leave that place.
31:32Mr. Mifta is saying
31:34that there is still time
31:36to sit and talk sensibly.
31:38I am a firm believer
31:40of a dialogue.
31:42No matter what your position is,
31:44you have to sit and talk.
31:48What Mifta said
31:50I was saying to my PTI friend
31:52who is a senior leader
31:54that you gave a call
31:56for a peaceful protest.
31:58You could have also said
32:00that we want to make a commitment
32:02on behalf of the leadership
32:04that nothing will go wrong.
32:06Please don't stop us.
32:08We will peacefully come
32:10and protest and leave.
32:12If you had said this,
32:14it would have been more difficult
32:16for the government to do such things.
32:18They have tied a shroud
32:20on their heads.
32:22They will either leave
32:24or die.
32:26Obviously, the government
32:28has a right to react
32:30in this way.
32:32What Mr. Mifta said
32:34is absolutely right.
32:36Both parties can use
32:38a neutral entity.
32:40The people are the Pakistan party.
32:42Shahid Kaka Nabassi
32:44is a very respectable leader
32:46on both sides.
32:48I am serious.
32:50He should take the initiative
32:52to go to both sides
32:54and give proposals
32:56to the establishment.
32:58I think
33:00they will be able to contact.
33:02With this heavy responsibility,
33:04the present situation
33:06is unsustainable.
33:08You have directed your heavy responsibility
33:10to Mr. Mifta Ismail.
33:12I hope he and his party
33:14will call.
33:16We will talk about this
33:18when we come back.
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33:24They beat Australia
33:26on their home ground.
33:28We will talk about this
33:30after the break.
33:32Welcome back.
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