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Guests:
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Mohammad Zubair (Senior Leader)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
"PTI ko Political Party Kay Bajaye Dushman ka Darja Dediya Gaya" Muhammad Zubair's Statement
Can political complexities be resolved through force? | Maria Memon's Detail Report
Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar's clear stance on Bilawal Bhutto's statement
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Guests:
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Mohammad Zubair (Senior Leader)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
"PTI ko Political Party Kay Bajaye Dushman ka Darja Dediya Gaya" Muhammad Zubair's Statement
Can political complexities be resolved through force? | Maria Memon's Detail Report
Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar's clear stance on Bilawal Bhutto's statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman and today's top stories are political controversies have
00:15increased so much that is there a possibility of ending them or not?
00:18The government has also taken a very maximalist position, Tariq-e-Insaaf is licking its wounds,
00:23is there a way to move forward from here or not?
00:27We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:29After that, the government sometimes opens the internet, sometimes closes it.
00:32It is very busy.
00:33First, it talks about banning VPN, then it comes to mind that this is not legal at all.
00:36So, we will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:39In the end, they are not taking the name of reducing smog.
00:42These are the priorities that should be of any state and a joint strategy should be made on this.
00:48In fact, not only inside the country, but you should also sit with your neighbor India and talk.
00:53But anyway, it also seems that it is not on the priority list.
00:58Let's start.
00:59Everyone talks about economic revolution and everyone knows how much it is associated with political revolution.
01:04But what is the way to bring political revolution?
01:07The common understanding is that whenever you talk about political revolution, it will talk about conversation.
01:15It will talk about sitting and doing political dialogue.
01:18Bilawal Bhutto Zardai gave a very interesting statement.
01:21He said that whether it is with a stick or a stick, political revolution should be brought.
01:26So, how does political revolution come from a stick?
01:29A new debate has started.
01:31Let's listen to Bilawal's statement.
01:33With a stick or a stick, we will have to bring political stability so that economic stability can come to Pakistan.
01:42We can compete in patriotism in Pakistan.
01:45And the government of Pakistan can run, the state can run, it is a state.
01:50What is this sticky kind of democracy?
01:53What is its purpose?
01:55In addition to this, before this, Bilawal also said that the law should be made with a brute majority.
02:01Is it a majority or a minority?
02:04What is a brute majority?
02:06We probably saw that on the occasion of the 26th amendment.
02:10Listen to this too.
02:11If the opposition cannot support us even today,
02:16I will have to join the Muslim League Nawaz and his extra members to legislate on the brute majority.
02:26We will have to follow the opposite path.
02:31Now we cannot wait any longer.
02:35Political stability has its own definition and its own way of reaching it.
02:41How can political stability come to Maulana Fazl Rehman?
02:45The elected representatives of the people should come.
02:48Whoever has a government, they will move forward for the problems.
02:52Here every MNA minister is afraid to go in front of the public because he is not its representative.
02:59Shahid Khaqan Abbasi and Mushahid Hussain Syed say that political stability has its own reason.
03:06Shah Mehmood Qureshi has issued a statement from the jail.
03:09He said that the stability of brute majority will not be sustainable.
03:12In Lahore, after presenting himself in the court of incitement to terrorism,
03:15while talking to the media, the former foreign minister said that for the attainment of political stability,
03:19the opinion of national understanding and national agreement is necessary.
03:23He addressed the Minister of Treasury and said that can the government attain economic stability without political stability or can it get IMF funding?
03:30Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that you can achieve stability through brute majority, but it will not be sustainable.
03:36He has requested that I be given the opportunity to meet the party's founding chairman
03:41so that he can present his point of view on the basis of national understanding and agreement.
03:46This is Shah Mehmood Qureshi's statement from PTI.
03:50What is the attitude of the government?
03:52You should know from this speech of Mr. Shabaz Sharif.
04:12We have with us in the program Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, Mr. Mohammad Zubair, Mr. Amir Ilyas Rana.
04:17Thank you to all three of you.
04:20Mr. Mustafa, let's start with you.
04:22Mr. Shah Mehmood Qureshi's suggestion that Mr. Imran Khan should be allowed to meet him
04:27and that he should get a chance to sit down and have a conversation with him,
04:31is a reasonable suggestion.
04:34But the attitude of the government is different.
04:36Now that the government thinks that we have put PTI on the back foot,
04:40then what is the need for us to talk to them?
04:43Look, politics is all about talking and finding solutions through talking.
04:49Unfortunately, in the last two or three years,
04:53we have made politics so weak that today we are not ready to sit with each other.
04:59Earlier, there was only opposition to the extent of conversation,
05:02it came to the streets as the conversation progressed,
05:05and then it reached the D-chowk as it passed through the streets.
05:10The speeches that took place in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly,
05:13the attitude of the people, we also keep coming to the people.
05:18Now the situation has really reached this stage,
05:21I have been talking about this for a long time,
05:23and my friends too, we all sit on the media and talk about this,
05:26that politicians should sit with each other,
05:28find a solution,
05:30the polarization among people is increasing to a very dangerous extent,
05:33people are moving away,
05:35there are a lot of challenges in our country,
05:37the economy is at one place, the economy is at another place,
05:40and these things require us to sit at the same table.
05:43But we are seeing the opposite of that,
05:46that the house is on fire,
05:48and we are all sitting together,
05:50just standing outside, watching the show,
05:52and the house is on fire.
05:54There is no rocket science.
05:57Now, all the controversies that have arisen,
06:00in the political system,
06:02look, there is always a difference in society,
06:04there is always a difference in politics,
06:06that one party will have one point of view,
06:08that how we have to improve the country,
06:10and this is our plan for that,
06:12and the other will stand against it,
06:14and the third will stand against both of them.
06:16But, it doesn't happen that the matters go to such an extent,
06:20that where you get entangled with each other,
06:24and you are not even resolving the fights,
06:27so now, in the whole world,
06:29wherever the fights have ended from within the society,
06:33that has happened through only one thing,
06:35and that is the free and fair election.
06:38Either the free and fair election leads to more fights,
06:42or it ends the fights within the society.
06:45In 1971, when the first free and fair election took place in Pakistan,
06:49we refused to accept its results,
06:52so it led us to a very big fight,
06:54the country became 2 lakhs.
06:55If we had accepted at that time,
06:57that the decision that the people have taken,
06:59then perhaps Pakistan would not have collapsed.
07:01Today, we are in this situation,
07:03because the election of 2024 was not free.
07:07Then, there were big questions on the elections of 2018.
07:10See, there was a failure of RTS in that too,
07:13and after 6 pm, people didn't know,
07:16what was happening in the election results.
07:18And in Karachi, there were so many weird results,
07:20we all saw it at that time.
07:21And in 2024, it was the last time.
07:24Then, when you couldn't manage anything,
07:27you handed over the fake form 47 to the people.
07:29So, there is only one way to resolve these big fights,
07:34that you let the people decide,
07:36we were not able to decide among ourselves.
07:39The people should decide,
07:40who is better among us,
07:42and who is capable of ruling.
07:43Now, all the political actors,
07:45including the establishment,
07:47we are so entangled in each other,
07:49we have become so distant from each other,
07:52the poison has spread so much between us,
07:54that we can't sit together now.
07:56But to do this too,
07:57to make a decision for the people,
07:58we have to make a framework for this too, Mr. Zubair.
08:02It is not possible,
08:03that all the political and non-political forces,
08:07don't sit together and decide,
08:08what will be the framework,
08:09if we want to move forward.
08:10So, to sit on that too,
08:12I can't see,
08:13we have heard the government's attitude,
08:16they won't talk,
08:17Mr. Khan doesn't want to talk to the government,
08:19he is giving a clear answer.
08:21So, we are stuck here,
08:22we have been stuck here for 6-8 months.
08:26Maria, I think,
08:28coming straight to the point,
08:30according to me,
08:32these talks,
08:33that we should sit together,
08:34we should talk,
08:35nothing like this is going to happen,
08:37at least in the foreseeable future,
08:39in the short term or medium term,
08:41nothing like this.
08:42You just heard the Prime Minister's statement,
08:45he says, cut the FIRs against everyone.
08:47If you talk about ending them,
08:50against your political rivals,
08:52which I can say with conviction,
08:55that in the middle of 2022,
08:58it was decided,
09:00that we have given our political rival,
09:03the PTI,
09:04not a political rival,
09:06but an enemy status,
09:08and we have to end them.
09:10And how do we end them?
09:11We have to end them in such a way,
09:13that future generations remember,
09:15who Imran Khan was.
09:16And this is the same thought,
09:17whether it was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
09:19or the People's Party,
09:21or Benazir Khan,
09:23or Nawaz Shiv.
09:25But this,
09:26against all of them,
09:27except for one exception,
09:28Zia-ul-Haq and Bhutto,
09:31this is a very deadly war.
09:34Let's not underestimate
09:37the danger that this involves.
09:40There is no space for PTI.
09:42Now the thing is,
09:43and they have ended it,
09:45the 26th amendment which was passed,
09:47and all those things were done,
09:49were done so that,
09:51in light of the 2024 elections,
09:53no decision should be made
09:55on the basis of justice,
09:57no bags should be opened,
09:59no votes should be taken out,
10:01to see who should get the votes.
10:03So when this decision is made,
10:05and this decision is made
10:07by the biggest institutions,
10:09the ruling alliance,
10:11and they tell us their intentions,
10:13let me tell you this,
10:15they tell us why they want to do this.
10:17They say that these PTI people are fascists.
10:21Look at what they have done,
10:23they are uplifting,
10:24they are fighting,
10:25and so on and so forth.
10:26So their rationale is that,
10:28to end fascism,
10:29we will need to do more fascism.
10:32And then when all the PTI workers,
10:35supporters,
10:36will be thrown into the Arabian sea,
10:38will be killed,
10:39will be put in jails,
10:41then Pakistan will be a golden Pakistan.
10:44Like Pakistan was a golden Pakistan
10:46when East Pakistan was disintegrated.
10:48They didn't want to accept the mandate.
10:50Even here they didn't accept the mandate.
10:52And by the way,
10:53let me repeat this again,
10:54this is not the first time in 2024,
10:56that they didn't accept the mandate.
10:58They didn't let the Punjab assembly elections happen.
11:00That was totally going against
11:02the will of the people of Punjab,
11:04that we will not let the elections happen.
11:06You didn't let the KP elections happen,
11:08you deliberately refused to accept
11:10the mandate of the people.
11:12You didn't even give a chance,
11:14Bengali was given a chance.
11:16After that you said,
11:17so they decided not to let it happen.
11:19So I think if you do all this consistently,
11:21then I don't see any solution.
11:23I don't see any solution.
11:24Now let me take this question to Amir Rana sir
11:27so that we get another point of view.
11:30So Amir sir,
11:32unfortunately we are standing there
11:34where both the parties feel,
11:36especially the political parties,
11:38that if the PMLN is in the government,
11:40then the PTI will have to go to jail.
11:43And if the PTI, God forbid,
11:45is in the government,
11:47then Bilawal Bhutto will go to jail,
11:49Shabaz Sharif sir will go to jail,
11:51Nawaz Sharif sir will go to jail.
11:53So jail or government,
11:55there is no balance between them.
11:57It is such an extreme narrative.
12:01Look, since we are talking about 1971,
12:03so what did we do in 77 years
12:05apart from Maqafat-e-Amal?
12:07And if there was a PTI,
12:09then it would have been a good thing
12:11that they would have answered
12:13and I wouldn't have had to say
12:15what I am about to say,
12:17that we are having this kind of conversation.
12:19Like the PTI has accepted everything
12:21that it is ready to talk.
12:23It is a very big pillar for democracy
12:25in this society.
12:27And it is not ready for any kind of fight.
12:29And the rest of the ruling elite
12:31and their allies are just
12:33ready to die.
12:35It is not like that.
12:37Imran Khan sir was the Prime Minister
12:39and he never used to talk to the people.
12:41He never used to come to the National Security Committee meetings.
12:43He never used to come to the Parliament Committee
12:45where the opposition leaders and all the communities
12:47used to be present.
12:49He used to consider it against his pride
12:51that I don't want to sit with them.
12:53Now the leaders of his party
12:55who represent in the Parliament
12:57are offered by the Prime Minister
12:59in a very submissive manner.
13:01Even then he says to them,
13:03you are a thief and a dacoit.
13:05In the elections,
13:07our lives have always been like this.
13:09So what is the way to talk?
13:11In our society, dialogue and tolerance
13:13have both ended.
13:15I want dialogue of my choice
13:17and tolerance of my choice.
13:19The past establishment
13:21which in the name of the fifth war generation
13:23made the minds of the youngsters one way,
13:25today it is in their hands.
13:27Because even there they are not ready
13:29to listen and accept.
13:31What Mustafa Bhai said
13:33in the KP Assembly
13:35which was happening before
13:37and is happening even after 26th.
13:39Is there a way of dialogue?
13:41The real issue is
13:43whether to take the statement
13:45of Shah Mehmood or the statement
13:47of the Prime Minister.
13:49All are minuses
13:51until Imran Khan says to sit.
13:53And when he talks to sit,
13:55his intention is only to talk
13:57to the establishment and the military people.
13:59He says, those who have the power
14:01I will talk.
14:03Of course, the government
14:05means that their representatives
14:07will also be present there.
14:09The representation of Pakistan
14:11is being done by all of us.
14:13Parliamentarians are also present
14:15behind the scenes.
14:17If you are not talking
14:19and you are thinking
14:21that you will attack
14:23the government of Pakistan
14:25and make the establishment
14:27bow down,
14:29then you have tried many times.
14:31If Umar Ayyub
14:33and the Chief Minister of KPK
14:35would have stood up
14:37this matter would have been different.
14:39When you did not show leadership
14:41and you adopted the escape plan
14:43and the CM adopted it for the third time.
14:45Tell me, why don't they tell me
14:47where I was in 8 hours,
14:49in 30 hours and who gave me the way this time.
14:51Until they don't say this,
14:53until then,
14:55it seems like a strange game
14:57to solve the problems of Pakistan.
14:59There is a dialogue
15:01and it should be open.
15:03So, the PMLN wants to do it
15:05so that the dialogue becomes
15:07a space for justice
15:09and our government gets released.
15:11No, the dialogue
15:13will not be like this.
15:15That dialogue will be
15:17through the Rules of Business Parliament
15:19which you will have to decide
15:21for the next election.
15:23Okay, for the next election.
15:25Mr. Zubair,
15:27do you have any reservations
15:29about what will be decided
15:31in the Rules of Business Parliament?
15:33This is exactly the thing.
15:35If I get caught
15:37while stealing
15:39from my neighbour's house,
15:41I will say,
15:43let's sit down
15:45and discuss how to stop the theft next time.
15:47What will he say?
15:49At least give me the previous account.
15:51If this is the solution,
15:53which will happen in 2029,
15:55I understand that
15:57they will sit down
15:59two months before the election
16:01and pass a law
16:03that the election cannot be held for three years.
16:05So, what will they do?
16:07What kind of a way is this?
16:09There should be justice.
16:11Today, you are talking about justice.
16:13Today, there has been a theft.
16:15Today, there has been a robbery.
16:17Today, there has been a robbery.
16:19Today, there has been a robbery.
16:21Today, there has been a robbery.
16:23In the past, justice has been beneficial.
16:25In the past, justice has been beneficial.
16:27Until and unless
16:29there is a closure,
16:31there will be no closure.
16:33Until and unless there is a closure,
16:35there will be no closure.
16:39I always say that
16:41I am Muhammad Zubair.
16:43Four years ago,
16:45I used to criticize
16:47the 2018 election
16:49and used to say that it was an RTS election.
16:51At that time, I was asking for justice.
16:53Now, if you talk about justice,
16:55if I am Salman Akhtam Raja,
16:57I will say that in 2018,
16:59I want justice.
17:01I am a member of the National Assembly.
17:03You are asking me to talk about 2039.
17:05How should it be?
17:07Mr. Bilawal Bhutto said
17:09that political revenge should be brought
17:11either with a stick or a conversation.
17:13This is disturbing
17:15because before going to the People's Party,
17:17I saw that Mr. Bilawal talked about
17:19democracy,
17:21now he is talking about political revenge
17:23with a stick.
17:25See, if you want to bring
17:27political revenge with a stick,
17:29then the criticism increases.
17:31Revenge does not come like this.
17:33Wherever a stick is used,
17:35it means that we will go towards non-revenge.
17:37People's Party,
17:39General Zia was also
17:41bringing revenge with a stick.
17:43He was stopping the fascists at that time.
17:45He was stopping the fascists at that time.
17:47In politics,
17:49a stick should not be used.
17:51You have to convince your opponent.
17:53You have to set some limits.
17:55Similarly,
17:57he talked about the brute majority.
17:59This is not a brute majority.
18:01This is a fake majority.
18:03Every child in Pakistan knows
18:05how this majority has been given to this parliament.
18:07When we say that,
18:09I think that
18:11some institutions have sanctity
18:13which is necessary for everyone.
18:15As a Pakistani,
18:17as a citizen of this country,
18:19you can say that
18:21everyone has to respect
18:23the sanctity of our institutions.
18:25The parliament in which
18:27cameras are installed,
18:29the parliament in which
18:31people enter and
18:33arrest the MNAs,
18:35the members of the parliament
18:37in front of the cameras,
18:39the parliament in which
18:41bullets are fired,
18:43the sanctity of these places has been destroyed.
18:45You can ruin the constitution
18:47with the help of a fake majority.
18:49What sanctity is left?
18:51This has not happened overnight.
18:53This is a game of 10-12 years.
18:55Neither will there be a sudden improvement
18:57nor will there be a sudden ruin.
18:59There has not been a sudden ruin.
19:01In these 10 years,
19:03if you look at the world,
19:05the democracy index,
19:07for example,
19:09Pakistan was a struggling democracy.
19:11Pakistan shifted from a struggling democracy
19:13to a hybrid democracy.
19:15Now Pakistan has shifted from a hybrid
19:17to an authoritarian regime.
19:19It is a monarchy.
19:21According to the world,
19:23the institutions that monitor democracies
19:25around the world,
19:27you are not a democracy.
19:29Even we are not a democracy.
19:31In a country where your rights are not protected,
19:33in a country where the lights are turned off.
19:35The internet is not working.
19:37I don't know if your apps are working or not.
19:39Mr. Amir,
19:41if the government does not get a chance
19:43to talk,
19:45if we do not see the situation
19:47then what do you think
19:49about Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's
19:51political revenge?
19:55Mr. Zubair,
19:57you made a good point
19:59which I heard.
20:01The TV is not in front of me.
20:03But what I am saying is
20:05that will you make the
20:07people of Pakistan
20:09believe that there was a revolution
20:11in 1924 and you will say that
20:13the revolution is over in 1918.
20:15Then you will keep going like this
20:17because everyone will have to believe
20:19and everyone will have to step back.
20:21You talk about revenge.
20:23Bilawal Bhutto had offered the PTI.
20:25I will give him the first number.
20:27Bilawal had said that the central government
20:29should make Imran Khan's party
20:31and we will support it.
20:33What did he say? He said zero.
20:35You are asking for a mandate
20:37from those who are in power
20:39and they should believe that
20:41we did this or that.
20:43And the same Bilawal who was
20:45calling you the selected
20:47Prime Minister in 2018,
20:49he was offering you
20:51to make him.
20:53Why didn't you trust your people?
20:55People's Party had made
20:57Yusuf Raza Gilani the Prime Minister.
20:59They had made Raja Parvez Ashraf.
21:01No matter how helpless the situation was,
21:03why didn't you trust your people?
21:05Why did you only stand for yourself?
21:07The same question came here.
21:09If you get a mandate,
21:11then you should be ready to take it.
21:13How long have you been doing this?
21:15For how many months?
21:17And you gave the final call.
21:19In the final call,
21:21a large number of young people
21:23were taking a stand for you.
21:25Let me tell you,
21:27I spoke to many young people
21:29in Rawalpindi, Islamabad
21:31who said,
21:33we will see.
21:35If something happens this time,
21:37we will participate.
21:39They were in such a state
21:41that they couldn't believe
21:43that the leadership of PTI
21:45is loyal to its leader or not.
21:47People are loyal.
21:49The way you are swearing
21:51that we are bringing you
21:53to the grave,
21:55do you call it a peaceful march?
21:57When you are coming home
21:59and you have the full force
22:01of the KP government,
22:03and you have come to Wifaq,
22:05how will you get CBM from here?
22:07Wifaq still gave you a way
22:09when Barrister Gauhar
22:11and Barrister Saif were asked
22:13with whose permission
22:15they met in Adiala jail.
22:17They gave a message
22:19that they should sit in Sangjani.
22:21That was not the permission.
22:23If all three people tell the truth,
22:25then the whole world will know
22:27what they are doing with PTI.
22:29So tell the truth and sit down
22:31and talk.
22:33Whether you get the election
22:35in 2029 or in 26,
22:37you will get it in 27.
22:39I am asking you this
22:41because I have never seen anyone
22:43sit down and talk.
22:45I gave you an example
22:47that PTI was the first
22:49to be offered.
22:51Then you talked about
22:53the brute majority.
22:55Zubair sir,
22:57PTI did not leave any other option.
22:59They were looking for a way
23:01and they did not give.
23:03How many times do you engage
23:05and try to give you a way
23:07and if you don't,
23:09then it's okay.
23:11I think,
23:13Pakistan came under
23:15authoritarian rule in 2022
23:17when the politics of
23:19catching and pushing started
23:21much before May 9th.
23:23The fact that PTI refused
23:25to give the mandate of Punjab
23:27was before May 9th.
23:29The fact that the mandate
23:31of the people in KP was stopped
23:33was before May 9th.
23:35I am 100% with Amir
23:37on the mistakes of PTI.
23:39But the larger context
23:41of this discussion is not about
23:43how Gandapur came out,
23:45whether it is a compromise or not
23:47or what the workers of Pindi
23:49are thinking.
23:51Everyone should see
23:53how the problem is solved.
23:55By the way,
23:57even by Pakistani standards,
23:59this has never happened.
24:01Yes, we have stolen.
24:03Yes, we have stolen the mandate.
24:05But it happened in 2018 too.
24:07At least the people of 2018
24:09were not saying that we have
24:11stolen and we are sitting.
24:13Who is better?
24:15The one who did not agree
24:17that the mandate was stolen.
24:19The Supreme Judiciary
24:21has completely destroyed it.
24:23You can't expect justice
24:25on the Constitutional Bench.
24:27Six judges,
24:29it's not a small thing.
24:31Islamabad High Court
24:33said about 7-8 months ago
24:35that our homes are being chased.
24:37We are being chased.
24:39Cameras are installed.
24:41Did the state
24:43or the state,
24:45did the Prime Minister
24:47tell you to make
24:49your own decisions?
24:51You were given this message
24:53that we tried to scare you
24:55and we will continue
24:57this process.
24:59So, for your own safety,
25:01don't talk about 2024.
25:03If there is a mistake today,
25:05remind the judge
25:07that in 2018 or 2019,
25:09Shahid Khan Abbasi was arrested.
25:11Now I have to go on a break.
25:13We will say goodbye
25:15to him when he returns.
25:17When he returns,
25:19he will talk about backing off.
25:21How can PMLN back off?
25:23How can Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf back off?
25:25Does he have space?
25:27Will he be able to meet
25:29the expectations of his voters?
25:31We will talk about this during the break.
25:35Welcome back.
25:37The situation is that
25:39no one has the option to back off.
25:41If PMLN backs off,
25:43the political space will be over.
25:45If Tariq-e-Insaf backs off,
25:47his voters and followers
25:49will want him to back off.
25:53Mr. Khan told his lawyer
25:55that if he backs off,
25:57he will be in trouble.
25:59We have reached
26:01the dead end.
26:03Where will Pakistan go
26:05from this dead end?
26:07There are 25 crore people
26:09in this country.
26:11We will have to
26:13resolve our internal
26:15and big contradictions.
26:17Pakistan cannot go on like this.
26:19We cannot.
26:21The incidents that are happening
26:23in front of us,
26:25we could not even imagine
26:27that this happened during
26:29Zia's time.
26:31We saw the victimization
26:33during Musharraf's time.
26:35We thought that we have
26:37gone through this.
26:39We have come to this point.
26:43Whether it is the workers
26:45of People's Party,
26:47Noon League or Tariq-e-Insaf,
26:49they come out of their leader's hub.
26:51I respect all the workers
26:53of the Jamaat who come out.
26:55You can welcome them
26:57with tears of joy,
26:59but you cannot welcome them
27:01with bullets.
27:03This is a given.
27:05We have brought things
27:07to an end.
27:09Unfortunately,
27:11I am forced to say this.
27:13On one hand,
27:15you have a big terrorism issue
27:17in KP.
27:19What is happening in Parachinar
27:21is not even being discussed
27:23in the mainstream media.
27:25A week or 10 days ago,
27:27you announced the operation
27:29in Balochistan.
27:31How many fronts do you have?
27:33The economic front is present
27:35but the political front
27:37has gone down.
27:39Half of Pakistan
27:41is unable to eat two meals a day.
27:43The political crisis
27:45in your mainland
27:47has increased to such an extent
27:49that there is no consensus.
27:51Amir Ilyas,
27:53is it a capacity issue,
27:55a political intent issue
27:57or is it a personal issue?
28:01It is a personal issue.
28:03Parachinar is 100%.
28:05You said on the break
28:07that the voters
28:09do not care.
28:11You have been in power for 11 years
28:13in Parachinar.
28:15There has been a dispute
28:17for 6 years.
28:19The Prime Minister
28:21is going to Islamabad
28:23instead of going to Parachinar.
28:25This is the right of the voters.
28:27Parachinar is far away.
28:29They are not giving justice
28:31to the people of Islamabad.
28:33The people of Islamabad
28:35are accusing the PM
28:37and his party.
28:39What kind of democracy
28:41are you looking for in Islamabad?
28:43You are not ready
28:45to do anything there
28:47but you want democracy
28:49in the rest of the country.
28:51People will say
28:53that you have done a good job.
28:55You have defamed Imran Khan
28:57who went on a helicopter
28:59You have defamed the old government
29:01of 11 years.
29:03How many dams have you built
29:05in KP?
29:07People gave you
29:09the impression
29:11that you will fix
29:13the state enterprises
29:15in 2024.
29:17If they have been given
29:19a vote in 2024,
29:21will the people know?
29:23Your question was
29:25that the voters question them.
29:27Why don't you
29:29come to our area?
29:31You are the CM
29:33and people are being martyred
29:35in your area.
29:37People are fighting
29:39with each other.
29:41You don't have time
29:43to go there.
29:45This should be discussed.
29:47Why do we forget Parachinar?
29:49He is not a part of us.
29:51Where is Allama Nasir Abbas?
29:53He is a big supporter of PTI.
29:55Did he question
29:57what is happening there?
29:59Why are there riots?
30:01This should be our question
30:03to the mainstream media.
30:05Why is KP missing?
30:07Universities are being closed
30:09and their lands are being sold.
30:11Governance issues.
30:13We have only one focus
30:15in Islamabad and Punjab.
30:17They are trying to tell us
30:19what we are doing.
30:21Why don't we discuss
30:23Thank you Amar Ilyas Rana
30:25and Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar.
30:27We will discuss politics
30:29after Bilawal's statement.
30:31The program is over.
30:33Don't forget to give
30:35your feedback.
30:37Goodbye.