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"I was disappointed with Yasmin Rashid's instructions on May 9...." Malik Ahmed Khan's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15First of all, let's see what the situation is at the moment.
00:17As we speak, the information is that the PTI caravan has reached the center of Islamabad.
00:23And on the other hand, we are seeing that a lot is happening behind the scenes.
00:27First, Barrister Gauhar, who is the chairman of the PTI, and KP Government's spokesperson, Barrister Saif.
00:34They met with Imran Khan.
00:37They met for about 90 minutes.
00:39Then when they came out, they spoke to the journalists.
00:42They said, yes, we have spoken.
00:44Our protest did not get a call-off.
00:47But we might be able to give you some good news.
00:50After that, the news of Zaraa started.
00:52And the news of Zaraa was what was going on.
00:55And sometimes someone used to deny, sometimes someone used to believe.
00:57It was that there was a round of negotiations later.
01:00In which the first name was Shibli Faraz, Barrister Gauhar, and Asad Qaisar.
01:07Then later, Barrister Gauhar denied that we had no such negotiations.
01:14But because Asad Qaisar is not even in Islamabad.
01:18But the names of these two were going on.
01:21Ameer Muqam, Rana Sanaullah, Mohsin Naqvi, and Ayaz Sadiq.
01:26So the same things were going on.
01:28There was absolute confusion.
01:30But the truth is that the talks are going on.
01:33The back channels are open.
01:35And it is being said that you leave the D-Chowk demand.
01:39We will make a place for you at Peshawar Moor.
01:43And if it is decided, then the news is that the motorway will open.
01:47But the GT road will be closed.
01:51And no one will be stopped from coming and going.
01:53As we speak, Islamabad is completely closed from all sides.
01:58Its contact is also cut off from the rest of Punjab.
02:00Although the roads of Punjab and Azad Kashmir are also closed.
02:03The roads of Punjab and KP are also closed.
02:05So at the moment, virtually three provinces, two provinces and one Azad Kashmir are in virtual lockdown.
02:11I was in Lahore a while ago.
02:14I have not been able to go back to Islamabad yet.
02:16Some roads have also been opened in Lahore.
02:19But if you go ahead of Shahdara, only motorcycles have been allowed there.
02:24Cars, cars, everything is closed.
02:26So there is a virtual standstill.
02:28And if you look at the government figures,
02:30it is being said that the daily estimate of losses is 140 billion daily.
02:37And it can go up to 190 billion.
02:40And the government had closed these things on Friday evening.
02:44The motorways have been closed since 8 o'clock on Friday evening.
02:46And maybe a new world record will be set when this notification came out
02:50that all six motorways and highways have been closed for repairs.
02:55I don't know why the government has to lie.
02:57You can clearly say that this is why they are stopping.
03:00And there is a security issue and everything.
03:02This is the situation at the moment.
03:04Then you must have seen on social media and television
03:07that Bushra Bibi is giving statements openly.
03:10And she has taken a position on political leadership.
03:15She also addressed the rally today.
03:18Let's listen to what she said.
03:41This is a matter of this country and the leader of this country.
03:44And I do not expect, I am sure that the Pathan is a proud nation
03:48and it will not leave its side until the last battle.
03:54So one thing is clear now that PTI's current leadership is in the hands of Bushra Bibi.
04:00And the debate that we used to hear that there is a big match between Bushra Bibi and Aleema Bibi
04:06was clearly because Aleema Bibi had announced after the meeting that she had given a call on 24th November.
04:13After that, she is not visible now.
04:15And now Bushra Bibi is directly in charge.
04:18She has also held meetings in Peshawar.
04:21She has met different leaders.
04:23She has also addressed them.
04:25And now she has come to the rally publicly.
04:27So one thing is clear now that this leadership is straight from there.
04:31And if there is any change of plan, then maybe the workers will only agree when Bushra Bibi announces it.
04:37This is the situation as we speak.
04:39Negotiations are also taking place.
04:41On the other hand, the thing that was in danger has also happened.
04:44You have seen that a constable was also killed by a bullet in the head.
04:50The poor man was martyred.
04:52But politics is a very interesting thing.
04:54It is a very cruel thing.
04:56I don't remember the last time I was at the funeral of a constable.
05:00There was an interior minister, IG Punjab, and many other army officers.
05:07But you must have seen the footage on TV that everyone was at that funeral.
05:12Waziratat Punjab Azma Bukhari has claimed that about 70 people were injured.
05:19You told me about Constable Bushra.
05:21Yesterday he was injured.
05:23Today he was martyred.
05:25The government claims that a police officer was also shot in Sargodha.
05:30Constable Wajid was shot in Kati Pahadi.
05:37Five injured police officers are in critical condition.
05:40This is the claim of Azma Bukhari, who is the Waziratat Punjab.
05:46A few minutes ago, the interior minister said that he will take strict action.
05:55But we don't know who all are going to be named in this FIR.
05:59In the meantime, from 21st November till now,
06:03six or seven new cases have been filed against Bushra Bibi.
06:07New cases have also been filed against Imran Khan.
06:09Cases are also being filed against senior leadership.
06:11The impression that there might be a truce,
06:16or a middle way,
06:18is that everything has gone under.
06:21This is the situation in politics.
06:23Today we will talk about one thing.
06:26In my program, we will have Sheikh Haqa Sakram,
06:29who is the Information Secretary of PTI.
06:31We will also have Malik Ahmed Khan,
06:34who is the Speaker of the Punjab Assembly.
06:36Yesterday he gave a very important press conference.
06:39We will talk about both of them.
06:42But before that, I would like to talk about our country's priorities.
06:47Everyone is trapped in a protest.
06:49In a civilized country,
06:51if 86 people are killed in five days,
06:56then it is a disaster.
06:58But in Pakistan, it seems that the Kurram agency,
07:02when the tribal areas were over,
07:04it became the Kurram district.
07:06It seems that 86 people's lives have no value.
07:1086 people have died.
07:12And do you remember that on 21st November,
07:14there was a very big incident,
07:16when two convoys were going.
07:18One was a convoy of Sikhs.
07:20There was firing from the other side.
07:2248 people died in it.
07:24Then the next day, 5-6 more people died.
07:26Then the next day,
07:28those Sikhs attacked another area.
07:30There was a very severe clash there.
07:33Today, as we speak,
07:35Jirga has made a 7-day ceasefire.
07:39And till now,
07:41all the dead bodies have not been returned to each other.
07:43People have been kidnapped from both sides.
07:45Both sides have been kidnapped.
07:47What is this?
07:49Let me share with you,
07:51what is happening in our country.
07:53These are about 10 tribes,
07:55who are fighting each other.
07:57This has been going on since 1947.
07:59And these are some land disputes.
08:01There are some lands on the right and left.
08:03And the main dispute in some cities
08:05is in the central area of Kurram.
08:07These are 10 tribes.
08:09And there are 3 issues in it.
08:11There is a land dispute.
08:13There is a Shia-Sunni dispute.
08:15And then,
08:17there are tribal disputes.
08:19So, this is a matter of 3.
08:21Do you remember,
08:23there were very big murders.
08:25Between 2007 and 2011,
08:272,000 people were killed
08:29because of this land dispute.
08:312,000 people.
08:33But at that time,
08:35there were a lot of operations
08:37in that area.
08:39Terrorism was a very big issue.
08:41So, people were not able to understand
08:43who was dying and who was living.
08:45Now, there are rocket launchers
08:47and heavy weaponry.
08:49People are sitting.
08:51The government had sent a delegation.
08:53Thankfully, their helicopter was also fired.
08:55No one died.
08:57This is the situation.
08:59But neither the Prime Minister
09:01nor the Chief Minister
09:03are concerned about it.
09:05No one has a priority.
09:0786 people have died.
09:09More people will die.
09:11And they have been kidnapped.
09:13The bodies have not been returned.
09:15We are all stuck in this.
09:17Where has the caravan reached?
09:19What happened in Burhan?
09:21We will not sit in the parade ground.
09:23This is the situation of this country.
09:25Anyway, we will talk about all these things.
09:27We will take a break.
09:29After the break,
09:31we will talk about politics.
09:33Because the country is stuck.
09:35There is a loss of
09:37150 billion to 200 billion.
09:39But there is a lot of stubbornness.
09:41On one hand, the establishment is stubborn.
09:43On the other hand, Imran Khan is stubborn.
09:45And the government in the middle
09:47is easily on fire.
09:49Because they say that this is not their problem.
09:51They should deal with each other.
09:53We are all standing here.
09:55Where will the conversation stop?
09:57We will talk about this after the break.
10:05Welcome back to the show.
10:07We will talk about the first part of the program.
10:09Malik Ahmed Khan is with us.
10:11He is the Speaker of the Punjab Assembly.
10:13Assalamu Alaikum.
10:15Walaikum Assalam.
10:17This is the first standoff
10:19in which both sides are claiming victory.
10:21If the PTI's aim was to
10:23shut down the country,
10:25then they succeeded.
10:27Islamabad was shut down.
10:29Punjab was cut off from Kashmir.
10:31KP was cut off.
10:33Everything was shut down.
10:35You say that you have stopped them.
10:37No one will be able to come.
10:39If these 5,000-10,000 people
10:41were to take to the streets,
10:43which was your claim,
10:45then such a big shutdown,
10:47you shut down the motorways
10:49and the highways.
10:51You are causing a loss of
10:53150 billion.
10:55Why is the government panicking?
10:57Thank you very much.
10:59Frankly speaking,
11:01I have a few
11:03limitations.
11:05I cannot speak
11:07from a party position
11:09when I am speaking.
11:11But I can share
11:13your message with you.
11:15I cannot ignore it.
11:17I have a lot of respect for you.
11:19But you did a very good thing
11:21that you said in your intro
11:23that the PTI
11:25basically wants
11:27chaos in the country.
11:29There is no doubt about it.
11:31This is not a matter of today.
11:33Since the day Imran Khan
11:35has existed in the politics of this country,
11:37there is only one point,
11:39there is only one agenda,
11:41chaos.
11:43For that, you are in the government
11:45whether you agree or not.
11:47Whether it is 13th or 18th elections,
11:49you are the Prime Minister.
11:51You start the protest
11:53from 14th August 2014.
11:55The only aim is
11:57to destroy the economy of this country
11:59at any cost.
12:01Destroy the bilateral relations of this country.
12:03There should be anarchy in this country.
12:05And this is a continuous work.
12:07For that, there is no
12:09standoff.
12:11They can do it in ones or twos.
12:13They can do it in large numbers.
12:15Look at this,
12:17they are taking all the resources
12:19from a province
12:21and throwing them on Dar-ul-Khilafah
12:23by massacring them.
12:25They are doing this for the first time.
12:27This is a situation of deja vu.
12:29The march of Pervez Khattak
12:31when I was there coincidentally
12:33on the Attock Bridge
12:35when they were stopped for the last time.
12:37This is a matter of 2016-17.
12:39Is this a story of today?
12:41This nonsense is continuing.
12:43They disrupt public life.
12:45Yes, they do.
12:47They just jam the roads.
12:49Do you think
12:51that this is a rocket science
12:53to do this at any cost?
12:55When you have to disrupt the roads
12:57and jam the traffic.
12:59No, but listen to me.
13:01Mr. Malik, you are right.
13:03But tell me one thing.
13:05What was Imran Khan's demand?
13:07Imran Khan said that
13:09there are elections.
13:11He challenged the results.
13:13You did not let the tribunals
13:15be formed.
13:17Then they were formed.
13:19You fought a lot and said
13:21that there will be so many retired judges
13:23in the election tribunal.
13:25There was a lot of fight in Punjab.
13:27Four retired judges were appointed.
13:29They have not heard a single case so far.
13:31The tribunals did not address
13:33the election issue.
13:35I will tell you a small figure.
13:37Out of 23 tribunals,
13:3960 tribunals did not address
13:41a single case.
13:43Mr. Malik, wait a second.
13:45Wait a second.
13:47Imran Khan's issue
13:49was the same
13:51even after the 2013 elections.
13:53In the 2018 elections,
13:55you know that
13:57if a person
13:59is fully aware of something,
14:01you are talking to that man
14:03who knows
14:05how and what was done.
14:07I have some conviction
14:09that I will never talk about it.
14:11I can walk into my grave like that.
14:13But the question is
14:15that if Imran's point
14:17that he is saying
14:19if in 2014-16
14:21a single word
14:23was different,
14:25then you can put me on trial for that.
14:27The point that we were saying
14:29at that time and today
14:31is not about this issue.
14:33This is a matter of life and death.
14:35This is not a problem of any kind.
14:37They only have one agenda.
14:39Destroying the courts,
14:41politics, economy,
14:43Pakistan's bilateral relations
14:45and nothing else.
14:47And let me tell you
14:49that these positions come and go.
14:51The country goes through these issues
14:53and comes out of them.
14:55There is nothing difficult about it.
14:57But Mr. Malik,
14:59this is not tenable either.
15:01My question is
15:03that Imran Khan
15:05has given
15:072-3 outs to the government.
15:09He has said
15:11that at least
15:13the political prisoners
15:15should be released
15:17and they should be
15:19released on bail.
15:21For example,
15:23Dr. Yasmin Rashid
15:25is a 75 year old woman
15:27and a cancer patient.
15:29If you let her come home,
15:31what will happen?
15:33You people don't move an inch from your place.
15:35Mr. Malik,
15:37since you are my
15:39great friend,
15:41you are asking me
15:43questions that I can easily answer.
15:45The question is that
15:47I am not a government official
15:49but I can frankly tell you
15:51that Yasmin Rashid is a respected woman
15:53and a mother figure
15:55to me.
15:57I was very disappointed
15:59the day she was instigating
16:01provocation,
16:03planning and executing.
16:05She was a political activist.
16:07Who gave her this right?
16:09It was her right as a political activist
16:11and she used that right
16:13for violence,
16:15anarchy, arson,
16:17and for incitement.
16:19She was accused of
16:21attacking 29 prisoners in one day.
16:23This is a crime.
16:25If a woman is 75,
16:2760, or 90 years old,
16:29if you plan, execute,
16:31and do such things against her,
16:33what will happen?
16:35Mr. Malik, if May 9th
16:37is a red line in this country,
16:39then please explain to me
16:41that there is a minister
16:43by the name of Ahad Cheema
16:45and Khadija Shah
16:47has become a member of the
16:49Chief Justice's Jail Reforms Committee.
16:51There is a convict
16:53by the name of Khadija Shah.
16:55Is he ready to sit with her
16:57in the committee and visit the jails?
16:59On one hand, you are ready
17:01to visit the jails with the
17:03convicts of May 9th.
17:05On the other hand, you have
17:07another convict.
17:09Mr. Malik, let me put it straight.
17:11I am saying this to you
17:13in two words.
17:15I have been in this position
17:17since May 9th.
17:19I will say the same
17:21If this state
17:23thinks that
17:25this is a political act,
17:27these are political negotiations,
17:29or there is a political element
17:31in this for a moment,
17:33then we must
17:35scratch it out of our heads.
17:37This is not politics,
17:39nor is it such violence,
17:41such extremism, such hooliganism.
17:43If you take up
17:45all the resources of a state
17:47in the province,
17:49ask them for money,
17:51mobilize them.
17:53Then why do you put Gwana Raj there?
17:55If you think that Gwana Pursa
17:57is misusing it,
17:59then why Gwana Raj?
18:01Sir, if I would have been
18:03a decision maker in this
18:05with zero tolerance,
18:07this is no democracy.
18:09If this is democracy,
18:11then I am fed up of it.
18:13The question is that you have
18:15made fun of this country
18:17which is not politics,
18:19nor is it democracy,
18:21nor is it a protest,
18:23nor is it a political right.
18:25This is only anarchy,
18:27it is extremism.
18:29I think that the government
18:31is showing its restraint.
18:33Government shouldn't show this restraint.
18:35These are anarchists,
18:37not political people.
18:39They should be dealt with with firm hands.
18:41Malik sahib, tell me one thing.
18:43You are a barrister and a lawyer.
18:45MashaAllah, you have studied from Lincoln.
18:47Tell me one thing.
18:49If there is an issue on May 9th,
18:51and Khawaja Asif repeatedly says
18:53that until the decision is made
18:55on May 9th,
18:57things will not move forward.
18:59Tell me when your Attorney General,
19:01the loyal minister of law,
19:03why doesn't he go to the Chief Justice
19:05and tell him that the decision
19:07on May 9th, which has been
19:09going on for more than a year,
19:11the Supreme Court should decide
19:13whose case is going to go on
19:15and whose case is not.
19:17Neither is the case going on.
19:19But there is no discussion
19:21on the basis of the May 9th case.
19:23On the basis of that,
19:25everyone is arguing
19:27that it can't happen after May 9th.
19:29So why don't you get the decision
19:31made on May 9th?
19:33Malik sahib, in my opinion,
19:35when the Consensus document
19:37was being given in 1973,
19:39at that time,
19:41no one thought that
19:43a political party
19:45will convert
19:47a mob
19:49into a rightist,
19:51will attack
19:53the planned June 29th.
19:55When you were making
19:57the Anti-Terrorism Act in 1997,
19:59even then, no one thought
20:01about it.
20:03Now, this is an occurrence.
20:05This is a special set of circumstances.
20:07This can be dealt
20:09with by the Supreme Court.
20:11The normal court has
20:13neither the capacity
20:15nor the mandate
20:17that your military installations,
20:19your military laws are different,
20:21your military operations laws are different,
20:23their trial processes are different.
20:25You and we are different.
20:27No, you are right,
20:29but the issue is not that.
20:31The issue is whether a civilian
20:33can be trialled or not.
20:35That's what I'm saying.
20:37No, look,
20:39your Constitution did not
20:41even envisage this.
20:43There is no such thing
20:45that the things that happened
20:47on 9th May,
20:49can be dealt with
20:51according to what circumstances.
20:53Yes, I am in agreement.
20:55Your law and my law developed
20:57in such a way that it is right
20:59that a person should get
21:01a right in due process.
21:03This is one part of it.
21:05I cannot ignore it in any way.
21:07It is as important.
21:09Look, the armies of these countries
21:11have won on their chivalry,
21:13on their national pride,
21:15on their drumbeats,
21:17on their medals,
21:19on their culture.
21:21It is not possible that you
21:23can make them stand like this.
21:25Sir, one last question.
21:27There is a fight going on.
21:29They say that we have to talk
21:31to the establishment.
21:33They say that they have the power.
21:35Now, technically,
21:37you are talking about the constitution.
21:39Under the constitution,
21:41the authority of parliament
21:43is exercised by the government of the day.
21:45So, the institutions
21:47are under you.
21:49You are not under the institutions.
21:51If you want to end this matter,
21:53why doesn't the government
21:55tell the state institutions to listen to them?
21:57Doesn't the government have the courage
21:59to tell the state institutions to listen to them?
22:01We will make the decisions.
22:03But listen to us.
22:05If this leads to a conversation,
22:07then let's increase it.
22:09No, Mr. Malik.
22:11I know the mindset of that person
22:13who is being taken around
22:15by many people today
22:17as a muhatama.
22:19But we have seen their conditions
22:21in 2018.
22:23To take over the government,
22:25behind the shoulders of this
22:27establishment,
22:29Mr. Malik,
22:31everyone has done something.
22:33Even Mr. Mian,
22:35sometimes he respects the vote,
22:37sometimes the government respects him.
22:39Everybody has a check and pass.
22:41Just bear me out for a minute, sir.
22:43Look, the thing is that
22:45in this whole situation,
22:47only one question arises.
22:49That question arises
22:51whether a person's existence
22:53for the past 14 years
22:55has not been
22:57a result of hypocrisy,
22:59extremism, hate speech.
23:01In this country,
23:03the whole of politics,
23:05justice, economy,
23:07everything has been done
23:09in the context of a conspiracy.
23:11I have to end this segment.
23:13A quick thing.
23:15Quick, very quick.
23:17You can't wish him away.
23:19You have to deal with him.
23:21You will have to deal with him.
23:23If you ask me my opinion,
23:25you have to deal with him firmly.
23:27You have to crush him.
23:29What kind of a democracy is this?
23:31This fire, this mischief,
23:33killing people,
23:35destroying everything
23:37in this country.
23:39Point taken, Mr. Malik.
23:41You need more strictness.
23:43Malik Ahmed Khan,
23:45thank you very much
23:47for giving us your time.
23:49Let's take a break.
23:51After the break,
23:53we will be back.
23:57Welcome back to the show.
23:59We have with us
24:01Sheikh Waqas Akram.
24:03He has not been arrested yet.
24:05Assalam-o-Alaikum, Sheikh.
24:07Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
24:09Sir, you were listening
24:11to Malik Ahmed Khan,
24:13the speaker of the Punjab Assembly.
24:15I think the government
24:17has given you a soft hand.
24:19You are in the midst of a
24:21negotiation.
24:23I thought you were not
24:25giving a soft hand.
24:27Gohar is saying
24:29that the negotiations
24:31did not take place.
24:33But the jail is open.
24:35We go on Sunday
24:37and meet on
24:39Peerul Day.
24:41Then we come back.
24:43There are reports that the jail
24:45might be open again tomorrow.
24:47Is there any possibility
24:49that the negotiations
24:51will end in Islamabad?
24:53First of all,
24:55if you allow me to speak
24:57about Malik Ahmed Khan.
24:59I have heard a little about him.
25:01There is a relationship
25:03with Malik Ahmed Khan.
25:05I did not expect
25:07to hear his press conference today.
25:09He is a custodian of the house.
25:11He is our opponent,
25:13but he is a custodian of the house.
25:15I think he should be equal
25:17to Malik Ahmed Khan.
25:19But in Pakistan,
25:21there is no letter in spirit.
25:23He gave a very aggressive
25:25press conference.
25:27Even today,
25:29before he left,
25:31he said that he should
25:33shake hands more.
25:35This does not happen in the
25:37democracy.
25:39He is coming and doing this
25:41and that.
25:43I would like to say
25:45that people should not
25:47be arrested.
25:49People should not
25:51be arrested.
25:53People should not be
25:55arrested.
25:57People should not
25:59be arrested.
26:01People should not
26:03be arrested.
26:05People should not
26:07be arrested.
26:09People should not
26:11be arrested.
26:13People should not
26:15be arrested.
26:17People should not
26:19be arrested.
26:21People should not
26:23be arrested.
26:25People should not
26:27be arrested.
26:29People should not
26:31be arrested.
26:33People should not
26:35be arrested.
26:37People should not
26:39be arrested.
26:41If you had spoken,
26:43it would have been better.
26:45You have spoken about
26:47Mr. Gauhar.
26:49There are discussions
26:51on TV and
26:53WhatsApp groups.
26:55Nothing of that sort,
26:57sir.
26:59There are no discussions
27:01with anyone.
27:03Did you ask a question
27:05about the jail or
27:07should I clarify it?
27:09If there are no
27:11negotiations,
27:13what will be the
27:15breakthrough?
27:17The crowd
27:19is coming from Peshawar.
27:21They did not let you
27:23go to Punjab.
27:25The breakthrough
27:27is that we want
27:29to reach Islamabad
27:31and sit down
27:33with the three goals
27:35and meet our demands.
27:37That is the breakthrough.
27:39They do not want us to
27:41enter Islamabad.
27:43It has been hours
27:45since our people
27:47entered Islamabad.
27:49That is the breakthrough.
27:51Secondly,
27:53what can happen?
27:55Engagement,
27:57which can turn into
27:59a dialogue.
28:01But
28:03it cannot
28:05be a reason to
28:07postpone it.
28:09Only Mr. Imran Khan
28:11can take this decision.
28:13If they enter Islamabad,
28:15our target
28:17will be to enter
28:19Islamabad.
28:21What is your
28:23minimum ask?
28:25Will you say
28:27that if this is done,
28:29we will be successful?
28:31What is the minimum
28:33you want?
28:35Sir, there were three goals.
28:37As you know, the stolen mandate,
28:39the release of prisoners,
28:41and the reversal of our
28:4326th amendment under the rule of law.
28:45Mr. Khan himself gave
28:47priority to this 5-7 days ago.
28:49What is priority number one?
28:51Imprisonment, unlawful detentions,
28:53illegal detainees, political
28:55prisoners, against whom
28:57there is no doubt.
28:59They should be released immediately.
29:01That is priority number one.
29:03And that is easiest.
29:05Equally important, all three.
29:07But what is the easiest?
29:09If the prosecutor
29:11takes back his application
29:13under section 494,
29:15thousands of cases will be over.
29:17These are total lies.
29:19For the state, for the government,
29:21this is the easiest thing to deliver.
29:23And we understand that
29:25there is no solid evidence.
29:27They have no evidence.
29:29Mr. Khan can say that
29:31if there is solid evidence,
29:33then it is fine. Carry on.
29:35But 99.9% of our cases
29:37have no witnesses.
29:39The prosecutor has to write
29:41and take back the application.
29:43And our people are innocent.
29:45We say that if there is solid evidence,
29:47then it is fine.
29:49It is bare minimum.
29:51We have all the evidence.
29:53But you are also saying
29:55about those people who are involved
29:57in these cases.
29:59Sir, let me tell you.
30:01If there is solid evidence,
30:03then Imran Khan himself
30:05has condemned it.
30:07We have also condemned it.
30:09If there is CCTV footage,
30:11it is not a joke.
30:13It is not a joke.
30:15Proper CCTV footage.
30:17Make a judicial commission.
30:19Make a case.
30:21If there is solid evidence
30:23and we know that the person
30:25has intentionally harmed
30:27the state or the defence institutions
30:29or has done it on purpose.
30:31Mr. Khan has already said
30:33that we do not punish him.
30:35Because the party has not
30:37given any such direction till now.
30:39But the innocent people
30:41who have nothing to do with it,
30:43even if it is in 9 or 8 percent.
30:45Let me be more specific
30:47so that I can sum up.
30:49You are saying that if the government
30:51says that we will make a judicial commission
30:53and if we look at these cases
30:55and see if they are legal or not,
30:57then there can be a compromise
30:59on this as well.
31:01There can be a protest.
31:03Do I get you right?
31:05No, no, no.
31:07Let me be very clear.
31:09We cannot give a lollipop
31:11of a judicial commission.
31:13We have been asking for a judicial commission
31:15for almost one and a half years.
31:17We are asking this.
31:19No one has responded.
31:21You have the authority
31:23as a government, as a state.
31:25Your prosecution can take the case back.
31:27There is no evidence.
31:29You have given it yourself.
31:31Your investigators tell us that everything is wrong.
31:33When will you release the people
31:35especially those who have no case on them?
31:37We are talking about them.
31:39They have no case on them.
31:41There are a lot of people
31:43who do not have a case on them.
31:45Let them be free.
31:47Why not, sir?
31:49We are getting reports
31:51that a police constable was shot.
31:53Two more people have been shot.
31:55A lot of people are injured.
31:57The government says
31:59that there are armed people
32:01in their procession.
32:03How can we justify this?
32:05I am not saying that the police
32:07shot the police officer.
32:09When there is such a large mob,
32:11such a large crowd,
32:13such a large protest,
32:15such a large charged crowd,
32:17and yes, there is a possibility
32:19that this is not a trained professional police.
32:21There are hundreds of police stations
32:23in Punjab
32:25where police officers can be shot.
32:27It is possible that
32:29some mischievous person did this.
32:31When Bushra Bibi gave a message
32:33to Imran Khan,
32:35when Ali Amin gave a message,
32:37he said,
32:39as a party,
32:41to keep an eye on your surroundings.
32:43Some people can enter this mob
32:45and do mischief.
32:47We say again
32:49that there should be
32:51a fair investigation.
32:53These police officers are our own children.
32:55Although they are committing
32:57atrocities at the behest of the government,
32:59but they are our children.
33:01No one has the right
33:03to shoot a police officer.
33:05I think that if
33:07these people
33:09in the crowd
33:11were not yours,
33:13then whoever did it,
33:15the mob would have killed him.
33:17Why hasn't the mob caught anyone yet?
33:19They always catch the mischievous
33:21mob and hand them over to the police.
33:23Sir, we have those footages
33:25where our PTI people
33:27took the police officers out of the mob.
33:29We have those footages.
33:31But unfortunately, no TV channel
33:33will show it.
33:35We have dozens of such footages
33:37where they are taking the police officers out,
33:39saving them, and touching the mob.
33:41They are our own children.
33:43Don't bother them.
33:45I don't have any footages
33:47from this incident.
33:49I think that they should be
33:51investigated.
33:53Mr. Sheikh,
33:55you said that
33:57there is no Judicial Commission.
33:59How will this
34:01happen now?
34:03You came to Islamabad.
34:05You came to D-Chowk.
34:07There was a protest.
34:09This happened in 2014.
34:11You can hear this a thousand times.
34:13Everyone has said that this happened in 2014.
34:15The establishment was there.
34:17Even then, the government of the day didn't intervene.
34:19Now, the establishment is not with you.
34:21The government is sitting peacefully.
34:23They have plugged their holes.
34:25They have removed the teeth of the Supreme Court.
34:27The Army Chief
34:29will not change.
34:31He is two years ahead.
34:33So, things look very much in the government's
34:35corner.
34:37How will this end?
34:39This is what I am trying to understand.
34:41I think that if
34:43only the government had the power,
34:45can Barista Saif and Barista Gauhar
34:47meet Imran Khan?
34:49Let me be very frank.
34:51I think that
34:53things are not that easy.
34:55At that time, people were not
34:57agreeing.
34:59Mr. Khan has also agreed to the negotiations.
35:01He does not want to stop the protest.
35:03But he says that if
35:05there is a change in engagement
35:07in the negotiations,
35:09then PTI has no objection.
35:11So, when we sit down
35:13at a table,
35:15we will discuss the issue of
35:17leaving Asfiraan at the engagement
35:19or the work that can be done on it.
35:21And we will sit down and talk about
35:23the negotiations.
35:25After all, we are a political party.
35:27We are not a military
35:29that we don't want to talk.
35:31Our objection has always been
35:33that there should be a meaningful dialogue.
35:35And who should we have a dialogue with?
35:37Mr. Sheikh, when I talk to my government
35:39people,
35:41they say that this is the problem.
35:43In English, it is said that
35:45if you do goodwill with PTI
35:47and give them a little space,
35:49then they will
35:51get even more excited.
35:53And then they say that this is also needed.
35:55And in Punjabi, it is said that
35:57you have to keep your knees on your neck
35:59and talk.
36:01They say that they don't give us
36:03public space,
36:05so how can we give them public space?
36:07What is the solution to this?
36:09This is a question of legitimacy.
36:11We don't consider you a legitimate committee.
36:13We think that you are
36:15sitting in a bogus parliament
36:17with a bogus cabinet
36:19and government.
36:21But you have been installed.
36:23You are present here.
36:25Now you ask us for public space.
36:27This is wrong.
36:29Mr. Sheikh,
36:31I think what you are saying is
36:33proving to be true.
36:35We were talking about this during the break.
36:37Now we are hearing that
36:39you have been seen near Adiala.
36:41And it is possible that the jail doors
36:43will open tomorrow morning.
36:45It is possible that they will open tonight.
36:47Does this mean that your engagement
36:49is happening where it should be?
36:51Sir, we have always said that
36:53any meaningful
36:55engagement and dialogue can be done.
36:57Mr. Imran Khan explained
36:59who can deliver.
37:01That is what is meaningful.
37:03If there is no dialogue,
37:05what can we say?
37:07We cannot solve our own problems.
37:09Our national issues
37:11are these three demands.
37:13And in these three demands,
37:15all political and non-political people
37:17will have to sit down
37:19and solve their problems.
37:21If you get a public concession,
37:23I am adding these things to you,
37:25that if your engagement
37:27is happening,
37:29that behind the scenes
37:31dialogue can be done.
37:33Sir, we do not have an engagement.
37:35There are more people than one.
37:37I do not think we have an engagement.
37:39I can confirm that.
37:41We are getting information
37:43about Gauhar sir plus three people.
37:45I can confirm that.
37:47Sir, I can confirm that.
37:49Gauhar is not plus three.
37:51Okay.
37:53If the government of Pakistan
37:55shows a public relief,
37:57or CBM,
37:59will that CBM be enough
38:01to stop the escalation of Islamabad
38:03and postpone it
38:05to the next round?
38:07Sir,
38:09how will this clash be avoided?
38:11Sir, Islamabad has come.
38:13Islamabad has entered the district.
38:15No, Ali,
38:17D-Chowk is still far away.
38:19Sir,
38:21the bridge of Attock,
38:23Katti Pahadi, Islamabad border,
38:25Chidiya, all these things
38:27have been removed.
38:29We have entered Islamabad.
38:31Because it is not tenable
38:33that you also bring
38:35every month after two months.
38:37It is also not tenable that the whole country
38:39should stop because what is happening?
38:41The whole country is jammed.
38:43Sir, we have stopped this country.
38:45There are billions of losses.
38:47And tell me one thing,
38:49I am personally sad that
38:51Chief Minister Gandapur
38:53does not seem to be worried
38:55about what is happening in Kurram.
38:5786 people have died.
38:59I was saying in the intro that
39:01neither the Prime Minister nor your Prime Minister
39:03is worried.
39:05The tribes are holding each other's corpses
39:07with guns.
39:09The people have been kidnapped.
39:11That is not anyone's priority.
39:13Everyone's priority is to save Islamabad.
39:15That is also a crime.
39:17Sir, when this issue
39:19of Kurram started,
39:21it started with a land feud
39:232-3-4 months ago.
39:25On top of that, CM KP
39:27Ali Amin Gandapur
39:29called riots on the people of both parties.
39:31He himself became a part of those riots
39:33in Peshawar,
39:35KP House in Islamabad.
39:37He put people according to his will.
39:39He sent his delegation from here
39:41in which SIC Chairman was also there,
39:43in which Raja Nasir was also there,
39:45people of Ahle Tashayyuh and Ahle Sunnah.
39:47The issue was about a land.
39:49It was difficult for him to find
39:51a place where this happened
39:53which is not a land feud.
39:55This is a terrorist act.
39:57Sir, if the people want to run the country,
39:59then the governments should stop it.
40:01No, sir, it is not like that.
40:03It is not that easy.
40:05That area is run by the Jirga.
40:07There are special forces there.
40:09The people of the Pak Army
40:11give protection to these convoys.
40:13There is no permission to keep
40:15anyone of the two tribes.
40:17That is your point.
40:19I just want to say that
40:21I do not see the priority
40:23of your government
40:25and the federal government.
40:27Sir, one-liner.
40:29Sir, one-liner.
40:31One-liner is that
40:33two ministers of Ali Abidin Ghandapur
40:35the day before yesterday
40:37when the interior minister came here
40:39and said that the weather is not good
40:41and that he cannot go to Kurum
40:43on a helicopter.
40:45He went back to Islamabad.
40:47But our two ministers
40:49sat in the helicopter
40:51and reached Kurum despite the weather.
40:53They fought till morning and evening.
40:55They made both the parties
40:57sit together.
40:59The people of the army sat in the middle.
41:01The commanders sat in the middle.
41:03The people of the security forces
41:05were in the middle.
41:07The dead bodies were exchanged.
41:09The IG was made to sit there.
41:11The chief secretary was made to sit here.
41:13Our eight people were there.
41:15Last 60 seconds.
41:17Tell me
41:19that the whole scene is happening right now.
41:21Do you see any
41:23hesitation from the establishment?
41:27Sir, I think that when
41:29the paths are straightened by Allah
41:31then there is a lot of hesitation.
41:33This is Allah's will.
41:35Whether it is the establishment
41:37or the political rivals
41:39or the people.
41:41Allah changes people's hearts.
41:43He puts those things in the hearts of God.
41:45We are dependent on that.
41:47I am asking
41:49if you think
41:51that there is a hesitation.
41:53I am just asking.
41:55Sir, our SC has no direct
41:57engagement with them.
41:59I cannot say anything about the hesitation.
42:03Will the government let the hesitation come?
42:05You have not seen the government
42:07from Arundhati.
42:09In the morning, one minister sits
42:11and in the evening, eight ministers
42:13have a press conference.
42:15They do not know what is going on.
42:17They do not even know that the jail is open.
42:19They are just shouting.
42:21Leave the government.
42:23Thank you very much for giving us time.
42:25I can see very clearly
42:27that both sides
42:29are stuck in their places.
42:31There will be a breakthrough.
42:33God willing, it will happen.
42:35But it is very simple.
42:37You and I know that this breakthrough
42:39will not be from the government.
42:41It will be from someone else.
42:43Allah Hafiz.