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00:00A few days later...
00:01The next day...
00:04The next day...
00:09The next day...
00:13Huh? What's this?
00:14The next day...
00:16I'm so happy.
00:17I feel like it's the first time I've got something of my own.
00:19I feel like it's the first time I've got something of my own.
00:22This is something I don't know about.
00:24I was born depending on what's shown on the screen.
00:26Oh, it's here!
00:28Wow!
00:30Seriously?
00:31This is amazing.
00:33I died of a cold.
00:35It was tough.
00:37I couldn't run away.
00:39I couldn't run away. My legs were weak.
00:41This is amazing.
00:42It's so cool.
00:44I feel like I've met the right person.
00:59Ochiai Yosuke Gifure, 43 years old.
01:04This is Sekiyahama, Niigata, where Gifure's father Koji spent his junior high school years.
01:17I'm so happy.
01:20I'm so happy.
01:23His father, Koji, was so talented that he wrote a diary since he was a junior high school student.
01:32When I was in 12th grade...
01:3713th grade?
01:3816th grade.
01:39Oh, 13th grade.
01:40I saw myself in the mirror in the hallway.
01:43I was so weak.
01:44I wanted to grow up.
01:46I wanted to be like Inokichi.
01:47I wanted to grow up fast.
01:48I wanted to grow up fast.
01:49I was young.
01:51I had a complex.
01:54And one more thing.
01:56On July 13th, my brother passed away.
02:00There was a shocking event in his diary.
02:03I went to the waiting room.
02:05He said he died crying.
02:07I couldn't believe it.
02:11I couldn't see the horizon.
02:14I couldn't see it, but it looked like my brother.
02:17The sea in the sky.
02:20I wonder why people in Nagano prefecture draw a sea-like picture.
02:25When my brother passed away,
02:28I was always looking at the sea.
02:30The sea, the sky, the clouds, the wind, the sand.
02:34Just like Giffre,
02:36Koji Ochiai, who lost his brother when he was young,
02:42was selected as one of the 150 contemporary Spanish artists
02:45and published his first work.
02:48This is a very special occasion.
02:51I'm glad that Miro, Tapiez, and Picasso
02:55chose me.
03:00The representative works,
03:02such as Wind Mirror and Water Mirror,
03:06were selected as one of the 150 contemporary Spanish artists.
03:20However, in April this year,
03:22Koji was fired from his home in Matsushiro-machi, Nagano.
03:26He was 76 years old.
03:28Koji Ochiai.
03:34What was left behind was an atelier in the back of his home.
03:41Three months after his father's death,
03:43Giffre met his father's friends,
03:46who were interested in his work.
03:49They were his business partners, Mr. Taishi and his friends.
03:54Hello.
03:56Wow!
04:00What is this?
04:02This is crazy!
04:04In the beginning, I drew this kind of hanger.
04:07Like this.
04:09Then, this became like this.
04:12If I drew something like this,
04:15I would be one of the 150 contemporary Spanish artists.
04:18You would be one of the 150 contemporary Spanish artists.
04:20That's right.
04:23The accumulation of quantity is amazing.
04:27Cool.
04:29Nice.
04:31Awesome.
04:33This will be a T-shirt.
04:35Cool.
04:37This place is amazing.
04:42Because my father died suddenly,
04:47he was still alive.
04:50Cool.
04:52This is for you.
04:58It's so hot.
05:00Did he sleep here?
05:02Yes, he did.
05:04That's amazing.
05:06This is how he lived.
05:10Giffre was a family of four, his brother and his parents.
05:15However, his mother was so sad
05:18that he couldn't go back home
05:20because he was so into art.
05:23Giffre got divorced when he was 12 years old.
05:26Since then, his mother has been heartbroken.
05:34His brother also passed away when he was 20 years old.
05:40When Giffre started working in Tokyo,
05:43his mother became lonely.
05:47He was left alone with his family.
05:52Finally, he lost his father in a fire.
06:01What was left was a large amount of paintings
06:04and 15 million yen.
06:07If he inherited the paintings,
06:10he would have to pay the debt at the same time,
06:13and his peaceful life would be ruined.
06:20His wife, Giffre,
06:22didn't know how valuable it was
06:25to inherit his father's paintings.
06:29She was worried,
06:31so she posted it on social media.
06:34Mr. Taishi was the one who answered her question.
06:40If it's 100 million yen,
06:42it's a lot of money,
06:44but if it's 30 million yen,
06:46it's worth more than half of it.
06:50So I asked her,
06:52and she said,
06:54let's do it, let's do it, let's do it.
06:57I'm in trouble,
06:59but I have to do it.
07:01I said, let's do it, let's do it, let's do it.
07:04I'm in trouble,
07:06but I have to do it.
07:08If I don't do it, I can't do it.
07:10The deadline is already set.
07:12If it's okay to raise the flag,
07:14I'll raise it and collect it.
07:16If it's 200 million yen,
07:18it's too early.
07:20I just said it,
07:22but I have the answer.
07:24I can give the answer,
07:26but it's different.
07:29Gifure was a little confused
07:31by the momentum of the person he had just met.
07:37He should have wanted to leave his father's work,
07:40but why is he hesitating?
07:46I can't say goodbye to my father,
07:49my mother, and my brother.
07:51I can't say goodbye to my father,
07:54my mother, and my brother.
07:57I'm in a state where I'm going to die.
08:00The first thing I should do is
08:02to find my own way of saying goodbye.
08:05to find my own way of saying goodbye.
08:09I don't feel bad about everyone saying,
08:12like, my father is good,
08:14it's amazing,
08:16but I don't think I'm good at everything.
08:19but I don't think I'm good at everything.
08:22But I don't think I'm good at everything.
08:25I don't think I'm good at everything.
08:29I think there are some good things,
08:31and some bad things.
08:34I don't think I'm serious about
08:36doing my father's work as a duty.
08:39doing my father's work as a duty.
08:43I just want to be with him.
08:46I just want to be with him.
08:51To clear his doubts,
08:53Giffre set off.
08:57To Spain, the origin of the painter
09:00Koji Ochiai.
09:03And at that time...
09:10I'm scheduled to start on the 23rd,
09:13but I haven't decided yet.
09:15I don't think I can do it.
09:18I don't think I can do it.
09:21I just don't know what I'm going to do.
09:25His opponent seems to be that Taishi.
09:29Oysics wants to do an exhibition
09:31using my father's paintings.
09:33Oysics wants to do an exhibition
09:35using my father's paintings.
09:37It's getting more and more concrete.
09:40It's getting more and more concrete.
09:45This is amazing.
09:49Before entering art school,
09:51his father, Koji,
09:53relied on his sister,
09:55who was his mother's acquaintance,
09:57and learned Spanish in this town.
10:02In other words,
10:04everything you see
10:06is what his father saw when he was 20 years old.
10:09This is amazing.
10:11There's a nursery.
10:15This is amazing.
10:19Wow, look at this.
10:21This is amazing.
10:25This is a sketchbook from 60 years ago.
10:28My father took the Siberian Railway
10:31from Nagano to Russia.
10:36He came all the way here
10:38for 800,000 yen.
10:41He didn't improve his Spanish at all.
10:43He was impatient.
10:45He was impatient in many ways.
10:47It's a shame that he can't speak.
10:49He was close to Ryo.
10:51I think I found one of Ryo's paintings
10:53around here.
10:55I think I found one of Ryo's paintings
10:57around here.
10:59There's a river.
11:01Is this the same Daiseido?
11:03Is this the same Daiseido?
11:05Is this Urate?
11:08He looks for the place
11:10in his father's sketchbook.
11:12He looks for the place in his father's sketchbook.
11:13Huh?
11:15Huh?
11:17Which one is this?
11:23However,
11:24however,
11:25however,
11:27however,
11:29however,
11:31however,
11:33however,
11:36he asks a woman on the street.
11:38he asks a woman on the street.
11:41I think it's
11:43I think it's
11:45many years ago.
11:4760 years ago.
11:49I think it's
11:51I think it's
11:53many years ago.
12:04He is exhausted.
12:06He is exhausted.
12:08He is exhausted.
12:12I think it's here.
12:14I think it's here.
12:16I think it's here.
12:18It's like this.
12:20It's like this.
12:22The base is the same.
12:24The base is the same.
12:26It's here.
12:28It's here.
12:30I'll take it back.
12:32It's almost here, isn't it?
12:39Yes, it's almost here.
12:44How much do people know about the way their parents walked and their youth?
12:53Even after they die.
13:00It's a sad story.
13:03It's sad to spend time in such a mature city.
13:14And there was one more thing they wanted to find.
13:19Yes, it looks like it's over there.
13:23Oh, but...
13:26Isn't it already here?
13:32No?
13:34It's almost here, isn't it?
13:35Yes, it is.
13:37It feels like we've arrived at this place,
13:42which is almost the same as 60 years ago.
13:48It's beautiful.
13:52Even after coming all the way here, Giffre still couldn't believe his father's death.
13:59For example, in the burned-out documents,
14:03it was written that Madrid's National Library also had his own work.
14:11But when he actually visited...
14:16This is the title, Viento en Espejo.
14:22He found it.
14:24It was his father's work, no doubt about it.
14:27He bought it from a gallery here in Madrid called Estiarte.
14:32He bought it?
14:33Yes, he bought it.
14:35So he bought it because he appreciated it?
14:38Of course. He was a well-known artist here in Spain.
14:43It was his father's masterpiece, the original work of the Windmill series.
14:50The other work we have is Julia de la Tarde No. 5.
14:55Just a little bit, he felt ashamed of himself for doubting his father.
15:02The works of his father that he saw there were all energetic.
15:09Some of them even included his own unique work.
15:21It's amazing.
15:23I didn't expect that such a work would be preserved in the National Library.
15:36How many Japanese works are there?
15:41As far as I know, I don't know for sure.
15:46I was very impressed. I didn't expect it.
15:50I thought it was a very original work.
15:53If you give us more information about Kouji,
15:57it would be great to complete the description we have of the artist.
16:04We don't have much information about him, so it would be great if you could give us some information.
16:12Spain is a good country.
16:15It's just as I expected.
16:17I think it's great just to be here.
16:23It's like I'm on my side.
16:27I'm trying to protect him, but I can't.
16:34It's a great way to support him.
16:40On his way to follow his father's footsteps, he came to Barcelona where Giffre was born.
16:47It's a town where photos of his happy days were taken.
17:00There is Gaudi's Casamira.
17:03I'm sure his young father looked up to him like this.
17:11It's similar to what my father was trying to do.
17:15I think he was inspired by Gaudi.
17:20He went to an apartment where he grew up until he was four years old.
17:36His father's best friend, Klaes, gave him his address in a letter from Spain.
17:44This is also the result of his journey.
17:50This is my favorite photo.
17:55I was about a year old.
17:58This is my father's picture.
18:00Oh, really?
18:01Yes.
18:02This is the first time I've seen my father's picture.
18:06That's true.
18:09I think we were on good terms.
18:14This is a treasure for me.
18:18As a painter, I wanted to live my life.
18:23At the same time, I wanted to protect my father's happiness.
18:29I wanted to protect his feelings of being cornered.
18:39He thought he had destroyed his family.
18:44But his father was also a normal parent who was in between work and raising a child.
18:53It's hot.
18:58It's not that I'm sad, but I can't stop crying.
19:09I don't know what this feeling is.
19:22Gifure had another place to go in Barcelona.
19:31It was an atelier where his father lived when he was the most brilliant.
19:38Hello.
19:39Hello.
19:47It's called Studio 46.
19:51Welcome.
19:53This atelier is known for the work of Picasso and Milo.
19:59It was founded by Joan Barbara, a Spanish artist.
20:04Hello.
20:07Hello.
20:08This is his grandson, Mr. Om.
20:11Hello.
20:13Maybe...
20:14Maybe...
20:17Yes, it's me.
20:19It's me.
20:20Oh, it's you!
20:21What did you say?
20:23Oh, really?
20:24I'm your friend.
20:25You're friends?
20:26Yes.
20:28Mr. Om and Gifure look like brothers.
20:35There was something else to be surprised about.
20:44That's right.
20:45That's right!
20:46There was the name of Koji Ochiai.
20:50His father had lined up Picasso and Milo in this studio.
20:57These are all the artists.
21:01All of them worked here.
21:04I can't believe it.
21:07It's amazing.
21:11My father told me that Joan Barbara was the one who gave me my name.
21:19No, I didn't know that.
21:20I knew his name was Gifure, but I didn't know the story that his father liked so much.
21:26They're like little brothers.
21:28They're like little brothers.
21:32Because...
21:33It's amazing.
21:34They worked here?
21:35Yes.
21:41A lot of people are still working here.
21:48So this is where your father worked?
21:52Yes.
21:53He worked in this whole space.
21:55Everyone worked here?
21:56Yes.
21:57This could normally be a work table, but we also used it a lot to cut paper.
22:04Hello.
22:05How are you, Gifure?
22:06Very well. Nice to meet you.
22:08Likewise.
22:09You were this small, right?
22:11Yes.
22:12The one who showed his face is the son of the author, Joan Barbara.
22:17His name is Virgili.
22:20When he saw this picture...
22:23My mother.
22:24My mother?
22:25Your mother?
22:26Yes, my mother.
22:27Oh!
22:28Yes, yes, yes.
22:29Is she okay?
22:30No.
22:31No?
22:32She's not okay.
22:33She's not okay?
22:34She's not okay.
22:35She's not okay?
22:36She's not okay.
22:37Oh, la la.
22:38She's beautiful.
22:39Your mother.
22:40She's a very beautiful person.
22:44Next, Virgili's wife appears.
22:48Look!
22:49Oh!
22:51She told us the origin of the name Gifure while looking at the picture.
22:59Gifure, because your father wanted to give you a very Catalan name.
23:05But he wanted it to sound good in Japanese.
23:08Because first he wanted to call you Jordi.
23:11Jordi.
23:12Jordi.
23:13But he said, no, it sounds bad in Japanese.
23:15It doesn't sound good.
23:17And he said, well, Gifure is another very, very Catalan name.
23:21There's a legend.
23:22It's a bit like they've made it up.
23:25Like that.
23:26Maybe he wanted a Catalan name, but he didn't know Catalan that well.
23:31So he said, please.
23:32Yes, yes.
23:33No, it's possible.
23:34Because he was injured.
23:35He was injured here.
23:36This died.
23:37Koji died in a fire.
23:39This year.
23:40Koji died in April of this year.
23:45He died in a fire.
23:48Who died?
23:49He died in a fire.
23:50This April.
23:51This April.
23:52Ah, your family.
23:53Yes.
23:54In April?
23:55Yes.
23:56I mean, two.
23:57And he couldn't get away.
23:58He couldn't get away.
23:59He couldn't get away.
24:00He couldn't get away.
24:01He couldn't get away.
24:02His legs were weak.
24:03He was injured by the fire.
24:05Oh!
24:06When he was found, he was completely black.
24:10His fingers were gone.
24:11He looked like this.
24:13When they found him, he was completely black.
24:16Oh!
24:17It was horrible.
24:18Oh, I'm so sorry.
24:22But now, he's got a bone under his grave.
24:25Oh, my.
24:26So, I went to this atelier after he died.
24:30I saw his body.
24:31I wanted to do something about it.
24:36Dad, everyone is saddened by your death.
24:43It was the first time I realized that
24:46standing in the same place as my father.
24:55What was more surprising was the encounter in Switzerland.
25:00Orlando Branco, who was 94 years old,
25:04was the owner of a top-class gallery,
25:07which was also a friend of Picasso and Miro.
25:10He once invited Koji to his home in Geneva
25:13and had him draw.
25:17Wow!
25:18It's like a tatami room.
25:20In his atelier...
25:23Close your eyes.
25:26Close your eyes.
25:28Wow!
25:30In his atelier,
25:32his father's new world,
25:34which he had never seen before,
25:36was displayed.
25:39It's so cool.
25:41It's like I'm meeting my father.
25:48Wow!
25:49There's an amazing painting.
25:52It's my father's.
25:53I've never seen it before.
25:55He made it here.
25:56It's so nice.
25:58It's so good.
26:12We will show you where he painted them.
26:28Wow!
26:31It's amazing.
26:35To be honest,
26:36I've seen a lot of things in Japan,
26:39but I've never seen anything like this.
26:43This is amazing.
26:46He painted on the floor.
26:50On the floor, because we have no one to live.
26:53So he made it on the floor.
26:55And the lounge.
26:58Towels.
26:59Towels?
27:00Yes.
27:06Mr. Branco called Mr. Koji to Geneva
27:09and asked him to paint these works.
27:16It's so cool.
27:21It's like a series.
27:25I've never seen anything like this.
27:29It's coming out.
27:30I didn't know that.
27:31It's amazing.
27:34Surprisingly,
27:36Mr. Koji and Mr. Branco's collaboration
27:39was not only a long time ago.
27:45These are the last two works.
27:48The last two?
27:49Mr. Koji painted them before he died.
27:54I sent them this year.
27:59Be careful.
28:01This is it.
28:03These are the last two.
28:05This is it.
28:07Just before he died in the fire,
28:10his father sent his works to Switzerland.
28:16There were a lot of talents.
28:19It was Oshiai.
28:21He was an important gravure editor.
28:26He didn't know what to do.
28:28Whether to stay in Europe or go to Japan.
28:31His mother didn't want to stay in Barcelona.
28:37She told Koji
28:41that her son had to speak Japanese.
28:44She told Koji that her son had to speak Japanese.
28:51I was a burden to my father's life.
28:59I was a nuisance.
29:03I hurt him a little.
29:06I couldn't help it.
29:09His father gave up his success in Spain
29:13for his own sake.
29:16What did Mr. Branco say to the depressed Giffre?
29:22It's very important for him.
29:25It's very important for him.
29:31He is not a priority in the country.
29:37The most important thing is art.
29:41The most important thing is art.
29:45He is not a bad person.
29:48He is not a bad person.
29:52But his father chose Japan for his mother and me.
29:59But his father chose Japan for his mother and me.
30:03But his father chose Japan for his mother and me.
30:13When Giffre returned from Europe,
30:17in his hometown,
30:19the emperor was trying to gather a lot of enthusiasm.
30:28But he couldn't see his son Giffre.
30:35Koji Ochiai, the founder of Matsushiro,
30:42is a man who has been in Matsushiro for a long time.
30:47He is a man who has been in Matsushiro for a long time.
30:49He is a man who has been in Matsushiro for a long time.
30:55He will hold a three-day exhibition.
30:58He will hold a three-day exhibition.
31:05He will hold an exhibition on October 12th to 18th.
31:14I think that this exhibition will be the most common.
31:24The executive committee has invited Mr. Sakurai, a craftsman from Murui, to take part in the meeting.
31:45I'm going to pull this out to that big one, and I'm going to pull this out to that one.
31:54But for some reason, Gifure doesn't look happy.
32:02This is great, isn't it?
32:06I like this one the most.
32:10It's a little far away, but it's matte.
32:16Gifure may have been lost again at this time.
32:24Is there anyone going to Niigata?
32:27The chief is scared.
32:31The Ochi-Ai workshop, which took place under the leadership of the chief, will be held at a stadium in Niigata City.
32:39To take the people of Matsushiro there.
32:43I came to the Matsushiro company.
32:46It's a sudden story, so I don't know if I can confirm it.
32:51I heard it was No. 17, but it's a waste to go to No. 7 or 8, so let's make it blank.
32:58When I confirmed it, the chief called me and said,
33:01It's no good.
33:03I thought I'd bring the young people, but they're all coming.
33:09There's no place like Matsushiro.
33:13There's only people who send it.
33:18I should have wanted it myself, but when I started to move, my heart sank.
33:26I'm going around the city and doing a lot of things.
33:34I'm getting a lot of punches.
33:38I don't know if I can do that.
33:42I hope that the feelings of Ochi-Ai will not be left behind by the involvement of various people.
33:53I see.
33:56I feel that a little.
34:00Everyone thinks about the benefits.
34:05That's how it is.
34:08It's just my dad for me.
34:14It's not a business tool.
34:20That's why he's not ready.
34:24I don't care. I don't care about anything.
34:28I want to do it. I'm involved because I want to do it.
34:30That's why I'm a four-year-old.
34:33Eagle is the main character.
34:35I'm rooting for him wherever I go.
34:38I like him. It doesn't change.
34:41He's pure and innocent.
34:43And weak.
34:45That's all.
34:47I'm looking at a huge improvement.
34:52He needed money to keep his father's picture.
34:59Before I knew it, I hated myself for thinking so.
35:08The anger of the emperor and the confusion of Giffure were the most.
35:15However, he had an unexpected meeting at a planned store.
35:23Hello.
35:25This is Yosuke.
35:27Hello.
35:29I'm Gomeyo from the day service of the city office.
35:35I have about 100 copies.
35:38I'd like you to take a look.
35:45I took a look at your planned store.
35:52When you came to our day service, you gave me a lot of letters.
36:01You wrote about your family, your feelings at that time, and your work.
36:14I have about 100 copies.
36:19I'd like you to take a look.
36:21Actually, I'm in Matsuri right now.
36:24Really?
36:26Gomeyo.
36:28Hello.
36:32This is Yosuke.
36:35The day service was closed about a year ago.
36:41The last year?
36:42The last year?
36:44Yes.
36:46It was in October.
36:48The work sold well, but I lost the money.
36:55I put my wallet in my senior car's pocket and it was stolen.
37:01I laughed and said,
37:04I wish I could buy it when I was alive.
37:12It was a relationship that didn't work out.
37:19Thank you very much.
37:21I felt like it was what I needed right now.
37:25Thank you very much.
37:27Yes.
37:29Thank you very much.
37:31Thank you very much.
37:33Is this the right timing?
37:36Yes.
37:41You told me to read it.
37:43I did.
37:46Gomeyo, the day service, kept all the letters from his father.
37:57This is it.
37:58This is the letter I wrote to Gomeyo and Yosuke.
38:08It's like Gomeyo feels like his son instead of Gifure.
38:16It's like Gomeyo feels like his son instead of Gifure.
38:21In the pictures we took together, there was a calm father figure,
38:26and many letters revealed an honest heart.
38:33My five wishes.
38:36I want to be healthy both physically and mentally.
38:39I want to eat my favorite food.
38:41After eating, I want to sleep with a woman.
38:43I want to become a famous artist so that my work will sell well.
38:52Meanwhile, his father's exhibition, which he was so worried about,
39:04was held at the Niigata Stadium as planned.
39:10As usual, Taishi-san and his friends were sweating profusely.
39:25Gifure was also determined to help out.
39:31I've always wanted to be a photographer.
39:35I want people to see the pictures we took together.
39:42The expedition team from Matsushiro, his hometown, got on the bus without knowing why.
39:54Somehow or another, they arrived at the venue.
40:01However, when they actually saw the pictures,
40:06everyone's eyes changed colors.
40:20The colors are beautiful.
40:24It's a beautiful work.
40:28I have to convey what I feel to people.
40:33That's why I like this kind of work.
40:40It was more than expected.
40:45Meanwhile, Gifure was alone.
40:51He was reading a letter from Gomiyo-san, which had over 100 letters.
40:58To me, Spain is one of the places I return to.
41:07I have a short future.
41:10I live as I please.
41:13I don't care about others, but I don't care about myself.
41:18I live freely.
41:21If I live freely, I feel like I could die in freedom.
41:24In the end, Gifure's father was Kouji Ochiai.
41:31If only he had noticed it a little earlier.
41:40The exhibition will be held here.
41:45It will be held here.
41:48It will be held here.
41:51I put a lot of thought into the exhibition.
41:56I made it with a lot of thought.
42:00I wanted to make it a place where people can see and feel
42:06the times when he was shining and struggling.
42:14I'm sorry.
42:20The exhibition will be held here.
42:24I don't know why, but it's so warm.
42:30It's scary.
42:33Let's leave it here for a while.
42:38Ochiai-san is right next to me.
42:43This is interesting.
42:46What is this?
42:48Ochiai-san.
42:53There are a lot of things left from the atelier.
42:57It's wonderful.
43:00Kouji Ochiai lived in Nagano when he was a child.
43:05He was a nomad.
43:08He was a nomad when he was a child.
43:11And Gomiyo-san of the day service.
43:15Did you read the letter?
43:18Yes, I did.
43:21It's not just a picture.
43:24I want you to know that Ochiai-san was a nomad.
43:28Do you want to read it?
43:31It's Spanish.
43:34It's been about 30 years.
43:37I've never seen this before.
43:40Really?
43:43It's a picture of Kouji Ochiai.
43:47It's a picture of Kouji Ochiai.
43:56After following his father's footsteps,
43:59Gifure's face was very calm.
44:07Did you drop anything?
44:10No.
44:13I don't have any grudges.
44:16I don't have any grudges.
44:19I don't have any grudges.
44:22I'm very pure.
44:25I'm very pure.
44:28I love you.
44:31If his father hadn't left a debt,
44:35he probably wouldn't have wanted to know about his life.
44:41But that doesn't mean he's prepared to pay a huge debt.
44:48Why?
44:50Because that's what it means to live.