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00:00This is not a big deal. I don't want to make it sound like a big deal. It is a deal, and I can put it on a list of what I feel this year is wide receiver behavior that was unnecessary.
00:14Wide receiver behavior that was unnecessary and counterproductive.
00:20Both of the 49ers starting receivers have participated this year.
00:24Brandon's was in the offseason.
00:26Debo Samuel, if you're just joining us with his tweets over the last half hour.
00:31Again, not a big deal, but a deal.
00:34Quote, not struggling at all.
00:35Just not getting the ball.
00:38Followed by, just because I voice my opinions doesn't mean I'm hating on any of my teammates.
00:43Be for real.
00:45Okay, counterproductive.
00:47Um, that's that's your emotions being triggered.
00:51And then you going to Twitter to fight back.
00:56We've all done it, but you're Debo Samuel.
01:00AJ Brown this year calling out the passing attack of the Eagles in a nine-game win streak.
01:06Jamar Chase taking the Bengals on a preseason ride when it's not even extension time for him.
01:12I could go on and on.
01:14This is what happens at the wide receiver position, especially and it's why the bubble needs to burst.
01:22It's why the bubble needs to burst.
01:25Ephraim made an unbelievable point to me last night.
01:27We were sitting there talking football and look around the league and the production of the high-priced receiver.
01:34Yeah.
01:35Versus the disenfranchised running back who got kicked off of his old team.
01:40Look around the league.
01:42Yeah, it's stunning.
01:44It's stunning.
01:45Look at the running backs that somebody didn't want.
01:48I mean Saquon Barkley and Saquon Barkley.
01:50J.K. Dobbins.
01:51Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry, Aaron Jones.
01:55These guys are all on good teams.
01:59Joe Mixon.
02:00Joe Mixon is another great example.
02:03They're all heading to the playoffs.
02:06Nobody wanted them.
02:08And here they are.
02:09At meantime, a lot of those guys were let go because somebody needed to give $27 million or more to somebody who's getting targeted four times an afternoon.
02:20Yeah.
02:21Wild, man.
02:22It's out of whack.
02:23Even looking at this team here where, yeah, you gave Brandon Ayuk the money and you gave Debo a restructure and all the while you had Jordan Mason come in and be one of the top rushers early on in football.
02:34Now you've got Isaac Garendo off of his first start running the ball.
02:38Great.
02:39Funny that Debo says that about not getting the ball.
02:42I was just looking at his touches this year.
02:4472 touches in 12 games, six touches a game.
02:48Last year, he had 97 touches in 15 games, six and a half touches a game.
02:53So you have a half a touch less per game.
02:56Interesting.
02:56And all of a sudden now, now you're not getting the ball.
02:59And that's my point.
03:00I think he's responding to the voices.
03:03And look, you're allowed to and and he's not the first and he won't be the last.
03:09But that like it's so comes with the territory that I just think you're better off not responding to the voices who all think you've lost a step.
03:20By the way, I've been saying for weeks.
03:22I don't think he's lost a step.
03:23I think this is circumstantial.
03:25But when I see him run, he looks like Debo looks like Debo to me.
03:28He looked like Debo yesterday.
03:30The plays are not working as well.
03:33There are a lot of reasons for that.
03:34He's had some drops.
03:36Some of it is on him.
03:37Some of it's on the play calling.
03:39What have you?
03:40You know, there's just an ebb and flow to these things.
03:42It's not been a great year for a lot of Niners.
03:44He's one of them.
03:46Matt and Oakland next up here on Willard and Dibs.
03:48Hi Matt.
03:48Thank you for for for the call.
03:52How we doing fellas?
03:53What's up?
03:55All right.
03:56So yeah, bear with me in my ADHD as I go through my list.
04:01But when I was thinking about the whole lack of urgency thing,
04:05you know, my first flame is Kyle, right?
04:10But then that made me think like, man, Kyle has been through so much
04:15mentally with all the losses.
04:17He's had over the past eight years of coaching, right?
04:20And for him to come back each year and usually have a successful team.
04:27I mean, we do got to give him his credit, you know, it's not easy
04:30to get that close over and over again and keep bouncing back.
04:36But you know, we lost some of those Super Bowls and NFC championship
04:39games, you know, he's blaming himself.
04:42You know, we got punched off the heel, all sorts of things.
04:45So I was going to start blaming Kyle, but which he's part of the
04:50problem, but he's also picked yourself freaking much when you think
04:54about it.
04:56Moving on down.
04:57I think that just has a trickle effect on the players, right?
05:00Um, we pretty much have had the same core with some minor changes
05:04over the past four or five years.
05:07But all these big time losses, I mean, they're heartbreaking and
05:10soul-crushing, man.
05:12And sometimes you need a reality check that we're all human.
05:16Sometimes you got to hit bottom, even when you've been towards
05:19the top before you react again.
05:24But last thing and thanks for bearing with me.
05:28When Kittle said that, I mean, he's been our best player this season
05:30arguably, but he's saying that right and he's going, oh, you know,
05:36I look back at the 22 team and this and that and my first thought
05:40is, well, Kittle, why weren't you being a leader?
05:44And why didn't you bring the urgency?
05:47If you're referencing how you saw urgency and other 49ers teams and
05:52that wasn't happening in the beginning of the season and you're
05:55one of our best players and you're a veteran.
05:58Why are you calling this out now?
05:59Well, I mean, not everything can fall upon, you know, fall upon
06:04Shanahan's head.
06:05But Matt, he's been playing so well.
06:07Like how is it again?
06:08I guess there's this and Matt, thank you so much.
06:10There's a fundamental sort of core of this conversation that I keep
06:16hearing that we're having and it's an interesting one, which is whether
06:19or not words can actually do that.
06:22And by the way, there may be a bunch of you who are joining right
06:25now who have not heard the Kittle commentary that he is referring
06:28to. So let's play that for you.
06:30Here's George Kittle after the game yesterday.
06:32I think the message was we need to play with more of a sense of
06:37urgency and play desperate because you just haven't really sensed
06:41that and like I've been on teams where it felt like, was it two
06:45years ago?
06:45We on and whoever like 8-9 game win streak, whoever that was and
06:48it literally felt like every play people were just scratching
06:50clawing and fighting for everything.
06:52And I'm not going to call anybody out like we're all we've all done
06:55like not taking a playoff like, you know, just not fought our
06:57heart hardest on every given play and that was kind of the message
07:00is like guys just put put it all out there because we have the
07:03players.
07:03We have the playmakers.
07:05We have the play call and we have everything to win games, but like
07:08we have to do it out of desperation when you're playing desperate
07:10and you're playing like, hey, if we don't win this game, our season
07:12potentially is over.
07:14That desperation fuels guys in different ways and it's just how
07:18you take that and how you channel that energy and I thought our
07:20guys did a great job of that today.
07:21Okay, so like that's the comment and then if the idea is hey,
07:25George, if you noticed that why didn't you do something about it
07:30and a I don't know when he noticed it and maybe you just started
07:33feeling that way after Green Bay and Buffalo right number one, but
07:37number two this whole concept of do something about it.
07:40If you're a leader, you can say something you can lead by example,
07:46which I'd argue George has been doing all year, right?
07:48He's played really really well.
07:50I have a hard time with this idea that either complacency can go
07:55away a sense of urgency can be created and all of that comes from
08:00people at the top using words.
08:03I just think to me is a more intricate thing and a difficult to
08:07access thing than just having somebody tell you to go do it, but
08:11just depends on the construct of your team and this Niner team has
08:14a bunch of young players.
08:15You've got rookies starting on both sides of the ball and they've
08:18never been in any spot in the NFL where you get 1314 games into a
08:24season and you realize now it's getting into the the desperation
08:27portion of the program.
08:29So I do think that with younger players you have to have a responsibility
08:34to say something and to help them through whether it's Bernardo
08:38Green and Dominic Pooney and Pearsall and cow wing and Garendo and
08:42all these other young players who you've been forced to play.
08:46It's up to you as a veteran to tell them early on how you have to
08:50comport yourself.
08:51But don't you think they did that like that's the other thing that
08:53I see then why hasn't it like because that's not what that's not
08:56what does it?
08:57That's my point.
08:58My point is is we wouldn't we do this a lot.
09:00We'll see something that we don't like and we'll go.
09:03Well, how come no one said anything?
09:04You don't know that they didn't.
09:06In fact, I almost think it's kind of crazy to think that they didn't
09:09they're with each other every day.
09:11They are desperate.
09:13They are embarrassed.
09:14It is slipping away.
09:16It has been all bad.
09:17It's been this horrible season and and because of this comment now,
09:22we're under the impression that nobody said anything to anybody for
09:2515 weeks old.
09:26We know somebody said something to somebody and that's Debo Samuel
09:29said something to the kicker.
09:31We know that he said something.
09:32I mean, there's a lot of thing.
09:33There's a lot of things that get said but that's my God said so
09:37we know that's my point like apparently that worked because he
09:40went out there and he made the game winner apparently and then he
09:43came out and yeah, I mean then he came out later and had another
09:48bad game.
09:49And by the way, the kick that he did make went in by a foot.
09:53You know what I mean?
09:53Like that's Kansas City.
09:55If they count.
09:56Yeah, they counts.
09:57Yeah, Chris and San Jose.
09:59Hi Chris.
09:59Thanks for calling.
10:03Hey, I had to take you guys off my speakerphone there.
10:05What's happening?
10:05What's up, man?
10:06Man.
10:07Hey, what's happening?
10:08Long time no talk.
10:09Yeah, I just Debo stuff, you know, a lot of times when people are
10:13down and out or they're at their lowest that's kind of when they
10:16start to shoot show you their true colors, you know, and he's
10:19frustrated.
10:20I get it but there is nothing in Debo Samuel this year, whether
10:24it's from a leadership standpoint off the field his leadership
10:29and playmaking on the field.
10:32There is not a single aspect to Debo as a person or player that
10:37exemplifies leadership quality.
10:40So I'm not surprised that when he's not getting the ball and you
10:43know, it's throat throw the long snapper in the kicker under and
10:46oh, I'm not getting the ball and Dippers just told you you are
10:50getting the ball.
10:51Maybe you want to catch a few more passes.
10:53You don't want to run as much.
10:54I don't know but Canahan is trying to get you involved.
10:57So for him to like, you know, and he has this podcast where he
11:00goes out there and he talks and it's like dude, you're a one-time
11:04pro bowler one time all pro you've been around six seven years
11:06like you are not that guy that somehow some way it's been hyped
11:12up in his head that he is elite.
11:14He is a number one receiver when he's not he's not big.
11:19He's not as you know, he's not elite in terms of quickness or
11:22speed separation.
11:24His hands are average at best again undersized.
11:28So like this notion that he needs to get the ball and oh, I'm
11:32just they're not they're not working me into gameplay.
11:34It's like dude, you have issues with your own like game in general
11:39as a player like you you just don't you know what the joke I like
11:43to make he's a wide receiver who can't play out wide or receive
11:47he's a gadget guy.
11:48So he lives on the fringe when all those blockers aren't out in
11:52front of you, you know hitting everything just perfectly and
11:55now I know he can run through a guy every once in a while, but
11:58in reality, it's the scheme.
12:00It's everybody blocking all that open space and there's another
12:04a counterpoint to that where yes teams know that you do have a
12:08limited route tree.
12:10Do you want to we want to get you the ball at or around the line
12:13of scrimmage and then you go through the rest because guess
12:15what you don't run good routes dude period.
12:19Well, I mean, I think go ahead Chris.
12:23No, I was going to say I think I don't know if he's coming back
12:26next year.
12:27I don't know what the deal is, but when when can we get some
12:31transparent discipline?
12:32I know these are grown men, right?
12:34But we need I mean strict the man take the sea off his chest.
12:38He's not a captain anybody who played varsity level sports in
12:41high school knows this guy's not a leader.
12:45Well to me and thank you Chris to me who is the leader is not
12:50for those outside of the group to agree with that to assess.
12:54I have no idea who's in that locker room getting everybody
12:57going.
12:58Well, and he's the leader of the wide receivers.
13:01And so what are your other choices?
13:02The Elder Statesman there?
13:03Sure.
13:04You got Cunley and Cowling and Pearson.
13:06Juwan's got some interesting leadership qualities got more
13:09juice.
13:10Yeah, of course he does like Chris mentions like for some
13:12reason he he thinks this and that he thinks he's elite.
13:16I can tell you a bunch of reasons why he thinks he's elite
13:18number one.
13:19He's out of 1300 yard season in this league number two.
13:22He's paid like an elite receiver number three.
13:24His name value is that of an elite receiver number four.
13:28He's a receiver.
13:30They're like 70% of receivers.
13:33It feels like our teenagers.
13:35They never think that they're accountable for anything.
13:38It's funny that we always use that word for head coaches.
13:41I hear head coaches around the league take accountability more
13:44than wide receivers all the time but wide receivers because
13:49of the intricacies of their position.
13:52They cannot have the ball unless a bunch of things go right on
13:56a given play a great player.
13:59Is it a great player is involved in terms of the ball in 10
14:04plays a week 8 8 to 10.
14:06You're right.
14:07That's it.
14:07Yeah, that's it and a lot has to go right and number somebody
14:10to deliver it to you and it's just set up for you to not
14:15think it's your fault.
14:16If you if you don't get the ball and there's probably some
14:19truth to that.
14:20Yeah, you need blocking you need a QB.
14:22You need to get open.
14:23You need the QB to decide to throw it timing.
14:26Yeah, right all of that.
14:27I'm looking at the Garendo wheel route that he ran and Brock
14:31through that like almost a hill Mary teardropped it.
14:34I'm looking at the play right now.
14:35It was a three-man formation to the left and the play look
14:39to be designed to go to Debo and I'm looking at here and
14:43Debo is open by 10 yards and he's turning and you know, he's
14:46expecting the ball and Brock sees man-to-man coverage Garendo
14:50on a linebacker.
14:51And so he shoots a shot.
14:53It's all he's got and he got it and he got it a little bit
14:55of an under throw but good enough to to connect and Garendo
14:58goes down to the one-yard line and I'm sure those are the
15:01kinds of plays where Debo is happy that the team did well
15:04and they gained yards, but that's a play where Debo's thinking
15:08I'm open.
15:09Maybe yeah, but if you're going to get all the way to the
15:11one-yard line, that's always the right choice.
15:13Like I I look at it this way.
15:16There is in fact a wide receiver.
15:17I can think of right now who here's the marker when someone
15:22else scores a touchdown, even if you're open, how does the
15:26receiver react?
15:27Yeah, do they run over to their teammates?
15:28Do they celebrate?
15:30Are they pumping their fist just as hard when someone else
15:33gets the touchdown as opposed to when they do and there are
15:37a couple of receivers who pout even when their team has a
15:39positive play if it wasn't them first name that comes to mind
15:43George Pickens.
15:45This guy fits absolutely right into what we're talking about.
15:48He has spent the better part of his career in Pittsburgh
15:52screaming at people on the sideline complaining from what
15:56I'm told behind the scenes.
15:58He's finally calmed down enough to where he is becoming a
16:02positive influence on his team, but it took him a while.
16:05It took him three four years.
16:07And in fact, he's still getting bad quotes, you know after
16:11that game that they lost to Cleveland in the snow a couple
16:15of weeks ago.
16:16He came out in the locker room and said some things that were
16:19very counterproductive to what the team's doing in the teams
16:22in the middle of a special year.
16:24This is not inherent because they're not all cut this way,
16:28but a lot of wide receivers.
16:29This is sort of this is part of the position the the way the
16:33position works.
16:35It lends itself to guys thinking a little bit too much about
16:40themselves.
16:41That's that's that's what I see.
16:43You can only make an impact in two ways as a receiver
16:46catching it and blocking and if you're not being asked to
16:49block on a certain play, then you're just out there trying
16:52to catch the ball and do your thing.
16:54And I know that Debo has been obviously based on his tweet.
16:57He's been hearing the chatter from the fans media or whoever
17:01and so I'm sure he wanted to go out against a Chicago team
17:05playing a lot of zone Debo's great against his own.
17:08He's thinking this is my day to eat and I'm just looking at
17:11that Garendo play and as you were describing George Pickens,
17:15you don't see Debo run down the field to give and add a boy
17:19to Garendo.
17:20Next thing, you know, they're going to a two tight end set
17:23and then they punch it in for the touchdown, but you don't
17:25see Debo over there in a congratulatory pose.
17:29I didn't look at the all 22 to see if he did or he didn't
17:31well, he's getting pulled off the field.
17:33Then that's an excuse.
17:34I mean, sure, and it was on the far side of the field, right?
17:36That was on the bare sideline.
17:38Like don't get you know what I mean?
17:39Like they're going to run down 12 men on the field just
17:41because you want to high-five a guy to get off the field.
17:44But it's something I think to watch because you know, when
17:47you have a game like that and Kittle does what Kittle does
17:51and he's going to the Hall of Fame and then Jawan Jennings
17:54continues to eat and you're out there with three targets
17:56and two catches and the caller was talking about him not
18:00being a good route runner and he's okay.
18:03I was looking at his first catch earlier.
18:05He runs that deep in and he gets open.
18:08He comes back to the football is a great route.
18:10Yeah.
18:10Yep.
18:11By the way, wasn't that open?
18:13Like he got open ish and he came back to the ball, which
18:16is a great play.
18:17Yes, because Brock put it where only he could get it, but
18:19you had to come back to it.
18:20Yep, and he did.
18:21I'll give you this example though.
18:22Like to me Jawan from what we have seen from him and maybe
18:26his stardom hasn't fully formed yet.
18:28But Jawan Jennings to me is one of the exceptions to what
18:31we're talking about with wide receivers.
18:33He has had wonderful individual days and been ticked off
18:37if they lose the football game.
18:38He is all about the team winning the game and you don't get
18:43that with every wide receiver, especially some of the stars.
18:47Next up is Raymond in Richmond.
18:50Hi Raymond.
18:50Thank you for the call.
18:53Well, it is.
18:54What's up with the goats of 95-7 man?
18:56Hey, what's up?
18:57What is cooking?
18:59I just want to say I feel like everybody's coming down
19:03Shanahan's Road and he should be motivating this team to
19:06do better and play better.
19:07But since when is winning a ring not been motivation since
19:11when has your multi-million dollar contract not been motivation
19:16like this is on the players on.
19:18Yes, Shanahan makes mistakes a lot, but come on.
19:22He's at the end of the day.
19:23He's not the one on the field and Debo need to take those
19:26Twitter fingers and use them to catch a ball because did you
19:30did you should have known better than to bet on him over
19:33four and a half catches because he catches about one out
19:36of every five.
19:37That's all I got to say.
19:38I love you guys.
19:39Have a good day.
19:39Raymond.
19:40Thank you for the call.
19:41I thought what the hell were you thinking dibs team that
19:43plays a lot of zone and as it makes sense as I said in my
19:47pick fade the dimmer.
19:50I really liked that Iris that was actually my most confident
19:53pick of the week.
19:53I thought that they would be motivated and Chicago a team
19:58coming in reeling a little bit after three really really
20:01tough losses only Niners out of bad weather in a spot where
20:06you're going up against the defense.
20:07That's good.
20:08They're fine.
20:09Their past defense is solid.
20:11Yes, the past defense though.
20:12They play a lot of zone and that's where Debo should be
20:14able to feast but a damn kiddle was open so often damn
20:18George, you know, and then that damn Juwan.
20:20Yeah, and then that the yeah, I look I also just think the
20:25other thing that the mistake that we often collectively
20:28make is that we think these teams are support.
20:31They are one thing and they're supposed to look that way
20:33every week.
20:34Nobody does that.
20:35I guess maybe the Chiefs but even they write their result
20:38is the same every week, but I'd argue that tucked into that
20:43the or at least enough mistakes that could get them beat
20:46every week.
20:47It hasn't happened.
20:48It hasn't happened.
20:49But as you all know, it's been razor-thin at least five or
20:53six times in a season that is now 12 and one and they deserve
20:57some credit for that.
20:58They make big plays in the end.
20:59There's no questioning that but Buffalo for me is the example
21:04of the day.
21:05What the hell is that you beat Kansas City you embarrass
21:08the 49ers in the snow.
21:10You're humming in a spot where like if the Chiefs blink one
21:13time you can take home field advantage in the AFC and you
21:17head out to SoFi Stadium and give up a 44 burger to the Rams
21:22and you're trailing by double digits for most of the game.
21:25I get it because that's football but so much of this is the
21:30moment the situation the spot right the spot what's going
21:34on with that team?
21:35What's going on with this team?
21:37Who's feeling the sense of urgency?
21:38Who's playing with desperation?
21:40What about the X's and O's and the way this coaching matchup
21:44works?
21:44What does this team do?
21:45Well, what does that team do?
21:46Well, so I think you were right to think that this was a great
21:50spot for the 49ers and a really bad one for the Bears.
21:53Yeah, and I think that the spot on Thursday for the Niners is
21:57for a little bit tougher for especially, you know, considering
22:01the way the Rams looked on Sunday and the fact that you might
22:04be going with Taylor and Keyshawn Vaughn and Abanekinda.
22:09Abanekinda.
22:10Yeah.
22:10Yeah.
22:11Abanekinda.
22:12They're close.
22:13Oh, yeah.
22:14Just all you got to do is thank Sir Mix-a-Lot and you'll never
22:16forget again.
22:17That's right.
22:17Right.
22:17Abanekinda don't want none unless he's active, hun.
22:21Yeah, we did that and he will be active, I bet.
22:23If Correndo's out.
22:24Yeah, we'll see.