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00:00And then the next day a teammate is on Twitter saying I'm doing fine, I'm just not getting the ball.
00:08How would you react to that as a teammate?
00:11It'd irritate me. It'd piss me off. By the way, you lead the team in drops.
00:16Now, back to Will and Diddy on 95-7, the game.
00:21I mean, real talk.
00:22Yep.
00:23Like, this stuff happens, man.
00:25Like, I know that we...
00:27Like, what gets me about it is you'll see stuff like this,
00:32and it's tucked into this cesspool of junk known as Twitter
00:37that so many of us are either forced to be a part of or just whatever.
00:45It's become a part of what we're all doing and checking things out.
00:48And I do think social media has actually a lot to offer.
00:51I also think it's a complete danger zone.
00:54Yep.
00:55So all at the same time.
00:57But tucked into that, when that happens, I feel like a lot of people go,
01:03oh, man, this is an emotional sport and an emotional guy,
01:08and a lot of people are coming at him.
01:10So, you know, it's not a big deal. Stop making it a big deal.
01:15And I'm like, that's what players think.
01:19So it is a big deal. It is a big deal.
01:22Debo Samuel this year.
01:24I think we could have a healthy conversation about this question.
01:29Stop trying to figure out if he's lost a step
01:33or if the play calls are right.
01:35Just answer this question.
01:37Has Debo been a good teammate this year?
01:39I don't think so.
01:40I mean, he seemed to be a little bit mad.
01:43He seemed to be angry at the long snapper over a missed field goal.
01:48He came at his kicker,
01:50and the long snapper got in between the kicker and Debo,
01:53and then he kind of choke pushed him away.
01:55Remember, Kyle Shanahan said Debo or said Tabor overreacted.
01:59Right.
02:00Tabor overreacted, not Debo.
02:02Right, which, I mean, I take that for almost nothing
02:05because you're not going to go at your highly paid receiver.
02:10You're going to throw your long snapper under the bus,
02:12and maybe Tabor did overreact.
02:14I don't know what was said.
02:16We can't really read lips in that moment,
02:18but has Debo been a good teammate?
02:20I don't think so.
02:22I mean, I don't know.
02:23I'm not in the locker room, neither are you,
02:25so it's hard to really say that,
02:27but I look at what Debo has done and now what he's tweeted
02:30and things he's said openly.
02:33It doesn't really seem like he's been there for his team.
02:35Do you know what's tough about this?
02:37Some of this for me is organic.
02:40Debo Samuel, when he plays,
02:43is one of those guys who, when he breaks out into the open
02:48or when he breaks a tackle, there's extra juice.
02:53A lot of people can break a tackle,
02:55but I'd argue, for example,
02:57when Christian McCaffrey breaks a tackle,
02:59you're like, wow, that guy's really good at football.
03:03When Debo Samuel breaks a tackle, the stadium gets inspired.
03:07He's a boombox boy.
03:09He is homegrown.
03:11I've been watching him do it for a long time.
03:13We know in our memory bank that there was a season
03:15he seemingly saved by himself.
03:18He has been a heart and soul type of a character
03:23on this football team.
03:26It just feels different when things are going well for him.
03:30So when they're not, it's not surprising
03:33that a lot of those things are what suffers,
03:35like the heart, the soul, the inspiration,
03:39that energy that goes through the fan base
03:42when something good happens.
03:44It's missing right now.
03:47But I think to what you just said,
03:49you're not in the locker room, I'm not in the locker room,
03:51we're not teammates, we're not 49ers.
03:53So I don't know what they think.
03:56I don't know what they feel about this situation.
04:00But Debo is starting to move into the second half of his career
04:04and he's developing a podcast.
04:06He's in the media a lot more, a lot more.
04:10Debo's not someone who used to enjoy that.
04:13Now he's in the media a lot more.
04:15Although when he's by his locker being talked to by the media,
04:18he sort of has that look in his eye,
04:20like he's looking at people like,
04:21will you go away please right now
04:23and I'm going to give you a one word answer.
04:25So I don't know, man.
04:27I don't know what all the teammates think and feel about Debo.
04:32What Brock just said is that's one of my best friends on the team.
04:36I don't know.
04:37I don't know if he's bothering his teammates or not.
04:40I'm sure it's bothering them that they have to answer questions about it,
04:43answer questions about Debo's tweets,
04:46and I know that Debo talked today before practice at his locker.
04:49Cam Inman has a story on the Mercury News website
04:53and Debo admits that he's a little frustrated.
04:56He's frustrated right now
04:57and I'm sure he's frustrated that they're 6-7
05:00and he's also frustrated that he's not getting the ball.
05:02And it's interesting what you said about Debo when he breaks tackles.
05:06It's because he plays with such a great amount of violence
05:10when he has the football.
05:11When he gets the ball, he's looking to not avoid tacklers.
05:15He's looking to hurt tacklers.
05:17He's looking to run through people and run over people,
05:20not run around people.
05:21McCaffrey, when he breaks a tackle,
05:23it's fun to watch because as he gets to the point of contact,
05:27he gets really small.
05:28He shrinks his body really tight
05:31and he's able to shake off the effort
05:33and then he kind of widens out again
05:35and boom, the burst, and he's gone.
05:37Debo gets it and he runs with those,
05:39I don't want to say weird, choppy steps,
05:42but the way he runs, it's a little bit of like a shuffle.
05:46It's choppy.
05:47It's really quick, quick steps
05:49and he runs with such aggressiveness
05:52and he's got that really big trunk
05:54and he's a thick, thick football player, you know?
05:58And so when he goes to get contact,
06:01it's fun to watch because defenders get punished
06:04and this year you haven't really seen that from Debo.
06:06Here's Kyle Shanahan on Debo's tweets and getting him the ball.
06:10Debo and I talk every day,
06:12so I mean, I understand Debo saying that.
06:14Debo wants to help us out
06:15and the only way he helps us out is getting the ball more
06:17and we'd like to get it to him more
06:19and we'll continue to work at that.
06:20Kyle was asked if they would like Debo
06:23to keep those thoughts in the building
06:25instead of on social media.
06:27Yeah, we'd always love things to stay in-house.
06:29That's probably why I don't mess with social media.
06:31I'm sure I'd get worked up and stuff too
06:33if I was reading stuff about myself all the time
06:35and then I'd maybe make a tweet or something.
06:37But that's a distraction in our building, though.
06:41I mean, I've got to answer questions about it.
06:43It's the first time I've talked about it.
06:44It's right here, but Debo and I see each other every day
06:47and talk about stuff every day,
06:49so my advice is to not let outside frustrate you
06:52because just answering those things
06:54isn't going to help you in any way.
06:56It usually only hurts you,
06:57but as far as what we deal with in our relationships
07:00and our team, it's water under the bridge.
07:02So, no big deal, says Kyle,
07:04but yes, it'd be better to not do that.
07:07It's interesting the way he answered it, though.
07:09He's not saying it'd be better to not do that
07:11because it's bad for the team.
07:12It sounded to me like he's saying
07:14it'd be better to not do that, Debo,
07:15because it's bad for you.
07:17Yeah, and it's also bad for the team.
07:19He did say that up front.
07:20We like to always keep that stuff in-house and stuff
07:23and that's what every good team would prefer,
07:26but in this day and age of social media
07:29and players having their platform
07:31and especially Debo, who is now branching out
07:33and getting on a bunch of podcasts
07:35and doing his own thing,
07:37he's going to speak his mind.
07:38He should.
07:39He's allowed to,
07:40but when you do something like this,
07:42you send out a couple of tweets
07:44and then you delete it,
07:45it's just going to open yourself up
07:47to a certain amount of criticism.
07:48Yeah, but you know what?
07:49With all that said, man,
07:50you said something interesting
07:52a couple minutes ago when you're like,
07:53he's admitted that he's frustrated
07:55and this is always the way I've looked at it
07:57and I'm not perfect when it comes to this at all,
08:00but how you react when you're frustrated,
08:03dude, that says everything.
08:04That says everything.
08:06That's the hard stuff in life.
08:08How do you react when you're frustrated?
08:11We've all been there.
08:12We've all fumbled in that situation.
08:15We all try to learn to be better.
08:18That's what ends up happening most of the time.
08:20That's why he deleted his tweet.
08:22He spent some time breathing
08:25and then went back and went,
08:26you know what?
08:27This isn't worth it.
08:28I'm taking this thing down
08:29because the comments probably weren't good
08:31and Kyle's right.
08:32It only makes it worse
08:34when you react to emotion with emotion
08:36and all of that,
08:37but to me,
08:39we got to stop doing the whole like,
08:41well, they're frustrated.
08:42Well, how you react when you're frustrated
08:46is on you.
08:47It's on you.
08:49One of the few things you can control in life
08:51is your own emotions,
08:53your own feelings,
08:54your own reactions.
08:55I'm not going to be hypocritical
08:57to not feel some type of way about Debo right now
09:00when I said everything that I said all summer
09:02about Brandon.
09:03Brandon let all of this get to him
09:06and it was an awful off season.
09:09It was awful and it starts like this.
09:12It's subtle.
09:14It starts like this,
09:16but where's this going next?
09:18What if we get to Christmas,
09:20the Niners are eliminated
09:22and somebody writes an article
09:24on NBC Sports Bay Area
09:26or in the Merc about how Debo
09:28is probably going to get caught after June 1st.
09:31Now what?
09:33Now how are you taking the field against the Lions, Debo?
09:36Are you moving to the back of the line
09:40to make a statement?
09:41Well, those conversations have already begun.
09:43The talk about Debo
09:45and I heard it this morning on the roast
09:47about him getting cut.
09:49About Debo.
09:50Well, they've been going since before the draft.
09:52Right, but even with the restructure,
09:54you look at this team going forward
09:56and you've got Pearsall and Iuke
09:58and you've got Debo and Jawan
10:01and, okay, Cowen, sure.
10:03No, but it's a truckload of money
10:05in the wide receiver book.
10:06And it's a lot of people
10:07and you also have young, inexperienced people in the room
10:10and then you've got Brandon making a bundle
10:13and Debo making a bundle
10:15and Debo coming up on being 30.
10:17I think he'll be 30 next year.
10:19He'll be 20.
10:20Actually, he'll be 29 in January.
10:22Yeah, exactly.
10:2329 in January.
10:24So, you know, next year will be the year
10:26in which he turns 30.
10:27So these are realities of all football players
10:30and Debo hasn't scored a touchdown
10:32for the 49ers since October 10th.
10:35That's crazy.
10:36So when he says to Cam Inman,
10:37that's two months ago today,
10:38Cam had to quote,
10:40he speaks on his deleted tweet,
10:42quote, a little frustrated for sure.
10:44So, yeah, I get that.
10:46Your team's not winning
10:47and you're not getting the targets
10:49you think you should get
10:50and you haven't scored in two months.
10:52I can see where you're frustrated.
10:53Yeah, yeah.
10:54But do you respond to that
10:56by making everybody else frustrated?
10:58And I'm not saying that he's necessarily done that,
11:01but again, we want you to hear this.
11:03Mark Schlereth, offensive lineman,
11:06and those guys are cut from a certain cloth.
11:08Offensive lineman, because of the position they play,
11:10they do not want to hear people talk about me
11:13after you win.
11:15They just don't.
11:17They don't.
11:19You know, who came to Jalen Hurts' defense
11:23yesterday with AJ Brown going out?
11:25Wasn't an offensive lineman, but it's linemen.
11:28Linemen, they're in the trenches
11:29getting hit on every play
11:31and they do not want to celebrate wins
11:33by seeing teammates on social media going,
11:36yeah, but what about me?
11:38They don't like it.
11:39They don't like it.
11:40And listen to Schlereth when we asked him
11:41about Debo's tweets.
11:43It'd irritate me.
11:44It'd piss me off.
11:46It'd irritate me.
11:48It'd piss me off.
11:49By the way, you lead the team in drops.
11:51So, mister, I'm getting along fine.
11:53Like, Debo's a phenomenal football player.
11:57And you became who you are
12:00because of your versatility.
12:02Because they could line you up in the backfield.
12:04I truly believe that Debo Samuel
12:05could line up in the backfield
12:06and rush for 1,200 yards as a running back.
12:08So, they ran you at the running back position.
12:10They used you in the jet sweeps,
12:12the orbit sweeps.
12:13They used you in the screen game,
12:14the bubble screen game,
12:16the rip and tear screen game.
12:17They used you, you know,
12:19in a myriad of different ways,
12:20the deep overs and everything else.
12:22You're built like a fullback.
12:23Like, you're an incredible football player
12:25and your versatility has made you a superstar
12:27and got you paid millions upon millions of dollars.
12:30But that's not good enough, right?
12:31Because, what, I'm not being paid
12:33as much as Brandon Ayoub
12:34or I want to be an ex-receiver.
12:36I want to be something I'm not.
12:37I want to be a real boy, you know?
12:39I mean, at some point,
12:40accept who the hell you are
12:42and be grateful for what they've done
12:45in creating a superstar.
12:47I don't understand, like,
12:49why it's not good enough to be who you are.
12:51And what they've done for you
12:54is created, you know, generational wealth.
12:58And, like, you've worked hard.
12:59I get it.
13:00I mean, you're a great player.
13:01But you're not Justin Jefferson
13:03running the X, you know?
13:04You're not that guy.
13:06So, I just, I don't understand
13:08where the disconnect comes from.
13:10I don't understand the, you know,
13:12disappointment.
13:13I just, I don't understand.
13:14And it comes, it always comes
13:16from the wide receiver position.
13:17Like, at what point did we make these guys
13:20so valuable, they're so self-consumed?
13:23Because it's always,
13:24it's always one of these guys
13:26that feels like.
13:27I mean, in Philadelphia, it's A.J. Brown.
13:29Like, at what point did we overvalue them
13:32to the point where they feel like
13:33they're above the team?
13:35I don't, I don't understand.
13:37Make him line up one-on-one
13:39and play guard for the whole practice.
13:42And get a mouthful of Rydell every play.
13:45And start to understand
13:46what other guys have to do
13:47for you to even sniff a football.
13:49Because it bothers me.
13:50And that's one of the things
13:51about Kyle Shanahan
13:52that I know this to be true.
13:53Understanding other people's
13:54issues and problems.
13:55Like, he is so big on that.
13:57From a coaching standpoint,
13:58coach to coach, player to player,
14:00you need to understand
14:01what other guys have to go through.
14:03What other guys have to sacrifice
14:05so that you can have some success.
14:07And then we're going to pout
14:08because we only got two balls,
14:09we got three balls thrown to us.
14:11We only had two receptions
14:12for 22 yards.
14:13We've got, what, one TD on the season.
14:15So now we're in pouting mode, right?
14:17And not that we won a game,
14:19that we handled them offensively
14:21and being excited for George Kittle
14:23and the day he had.
14:24And like, we can't be excited.
14:25We got to pout about the lack
14:27of production we had.
14:29And that, that amount of selfishness,
14:31honestly, it just irritates
14:33the piss out of me.
14:35I mean, Slareth, obviously,
14:37that's pretty strong.
14:38And I look at it,
14:39and we said it yesterday.
14:41It's not a big deal,
14:42but it's a deal.
14:43Here would be what I would say
14:45to Debo if he were sitting here.
14:46What did this do for you?
14:48That's my only question.
14:50It's not, you didn't,
14:51you didn't take everybody down.
14:53It's not the worst thing
14:54I've ever seen in my life.
14:55What did this do for you?
14:57What did this do for you
14:59to go to Twitter
15:00and tell everybody,
15:01you're actually still
15:03every bit as good as you used to be,
15:05but you're not getting the ball,
15:07and you do that after a double-digit,
15:10like, three-touchdown win?
15:12What does this do for you?
15:14What do you think he would say to that?
15:16I mean, it's just him speaking his truth.
15:18Yep.
15:19I'm just getting my message out,
15:20and I'm just, you know.
15:21I actually think he would say,
15:22look, I'm feeling frustrated,
15:24and in that moment,
15:25I chose to respond.
15:27But I would also argue
15:29that he would admit right now
15:31that once he sat down
15:33and thought about it
15:34and watched what it did,
15:35it didn't do anything for him.
15:37And I can prove it
15:38because he took it down.
15:39Exactly.
15:40Exactly.
15:41So, your frustration,
15:42and you go out there
15:43and you tweet,
15:44and does that make you feel better?
15:45It might make you feel better
15:46in the moment,
15:47but as you reflect on it,
15:49you're still in the same situation.
15:50You still aren't getting the ball
15:52as much as you want.
15:53You still only have one touchdown.
15:55You still only have
15:5740 catches on the year.
15:58So, even though you are frustrated,
16:00and maybe that's a way
16:01to alleviate some of the frustration,
16:03it's a short-term fix.
16:05How about Richard and Gilroy?
16:07Hey, Richard, thanks for calling.
16:08888-957-9570.
16:10How do you feel about Debo
16:12as a teammate this year?
16:13Richard, what's going on?
16:15Hey, how you guys doing?
16:17So, I just wanted to add to,
16:18I'll piggyback on your comment,
16:20is that I think these athletes
16:23at this level
16:24kind of dismiss or miss
16:27a key word at this level of play,
16:30and that's professionalism.
16:32Trying or having the ability
16:35to act like a professional
16:37at this level of play is being missed.
16:39And I blame maybe social media,
16:42maybe this generation
16:44with the amount of entitlement
16:46these kids feel that they
16:48are kind of, I guess, entitled to.
16:51And I kind of feel like
16:54the fact that he deleted the tweet
16:56is unacceptable as a professional.
16:58He needs to take accountability for that.
17:01Maybe in plain words,
17:03I think he's just acting like a big crybaby.
17:05That's all I've got to say, I think.
17:06Richard, thanks for the call.
17:08Actually, as far as accountability,
17:10as far as what he might say about it,
17:11he was asked to.
17:12Here's Debo at his locker today
17:14to expand about the tweet that he sent.
17:16Do you care to expand on your feelings
17:19or what you wanted to convey with that?
17:22I mean, you read what you read.
17:25I missed the second part.
17:27You read what you read.
17:28No one knows what the second part is.
17:30Can you play it again?
17:31Yeah, sure.
17:32See if I can catch it.
17:33Do you care to expand on your feelings
17:36or what you wanted to convey with that?
17:38I mean, you read what you read.
17:42Something for sure.
17:44For sure.
17:45That's what I heard.
17:46You read what you read.
17:47For sure. You read what you read.
17:49And then he said,
17:50I'm a little frustrated, for sure.
17:52That's what Cam Inman had reported that he said.
17:55No, I think he said,
17:56you read what you read
17:57and meat should be cooked medium rare, for sure.
18:01I think that's what he said.
18:03Based on what Cam had tweeted,
18:04I think that's the part where he said,
18:06I'm a little frustrated, for sure.
18:08That's what Cam had reported that he said.
18:10Super easy follow-up question to
18:11you read what you read.
18:13Why'd you take it down then?
18:14And how do you know what I read?
18:16Well, because that's what he wrote.
18:19Right. You read what you read.
18:21Well, I mean, what does that mean?
18:23Like, why are you frustrated?
18:24It means he's standing on it.
18:26He didn't really stand on it
18:27because you took it down.
18:28That's not standing on it.
18:29That's why I said that's an easy follow-up question.
18:31Right. Stand on it.
18:32Yeah.
18:33Stand on what you say.
18:34Stand on what you do.
18:35And then why'd you take it down?
18:36Well, it's funny that you talk about
18:38stand on it playing Draymond Green
18:40because I'm just looking at the Draymond Green podcast
18:42and he's saying how he blacked out
18:45during the night-night celebration to Rudy Gobert.
18:48I'm sure.
18:49Draymond's saying that he blacked out.
18:51So, Draymond's not really standing on it.
18:53Stand on it!
18:54Yeah, unless he truly did black out,
18:56which I don't believe.
18:57No, but I understand what,
18:59if you want to accuse him of exaggerating,
19:01I think that it was an incredible emotional release.
19:04Sure.
19:05Is what he means.
19:06And I didn't see the full clip,
19:08but I just saw the headline of
19:10I blacked out during the night-night ceremony.
19:13So, we can all talk about stand on it.
19:16And if you tweet something and then you delete it,
19:18you're not standing on it.
19:20And yes, he's a little frustrated,
19:22but if I'm the head coach,
19:24I would much rather have him come to me
19:26and say,
19:27Kyle, I would like it if you could
19:29design more plays where I'm the primary.
19:32Because I mentioned this to you before,
19:34you watch the Bears game
19:35and there aren't a lot of plays that were designed
19:37where he was the primary.
19:38I still think you and I see this differently
19:40as far as what Debo was responding to
19:43or what made him send that.
19:45And this is part of the problem.
19:47Just like getting a text message.
19:49You can't see the tone behind it.
19:51You don't know the tone behind,
19:54you know,
19:55will you meet me here at four?
19:57Will you meet me here at four?
19:58Hey, would you meet me here at four?
20:00You don't know that when it's words.
20:02So, I see why you read that.
20:05I'm not getting the ball.
20:07And you think he's shooting at Purdy and Shanahan.
20:10I personally think he's shooting at fans and media.
20:13I think that Debo did that
20:15because his feelings are hurt.
20:17Not because his numbers are hurt.
20:19But fans can't get him the ball.
20:21No, they can't.
20:22But he wasn't like,
20:23to me.
20:24His response, if that's the case,
20:26was misguided.
20:27Well, my read is,
20:29remember what the first part of the tweet is.
20:31Whatever it was,
20:33I'm playing just fine.
20:35Like, in other words,
20:36he's responding to people
20:37who are all saying that he's lost a step.
20:39Right.
20:40That's what I think.
20:41I could be wrong.
20:42But that's how I read it.
20:44Yeah, I read it to say that he's not getting the ball.
20:47And the people who can get him the ball
20:49are the coach and the quarterback.
20:51888-957-9570.
20:54Oh, we have a new cleaned up version of Debo.
20:58Okay.
20:59Here we go.
21:01Care to expand on your feelings
21:03or what you wanted to convey with that?
21:06I mean, would you rate it?
21:07A little frustrated, for sure.
21:09Yeah, you win.
21:10A little.
21:11But only a little.
21:12A little frustrated, for sure.
21:13Right.
21:14A little frustrated, for sure.
21:15I mean, he didn't throw a helmet.
21:17He didn't run over and bark at the head coach
21:19like we've seen Travis Kelsey do with Andy Reid
21:22when he did put hands on him.
21:24And, you know, you've seen many a wide receiver
21:27come off the field
21:28and demonstrably throw the arms up
21:31and throw the helmet down
21:32and make a big scene out of it.
21:33He just went to Twitter
21:34and tweeted a couple of things and deleted it.
21:36Yeah, I mean, look,
21:37I don't think anybody is pitching this as a big deal.
21:40But it is not.
21:43I mean, I'm with Schlereth.
21:45It's not the right thing to do in this situation.