👉 Yanina, madre de un niño cuya identidad fue utilizada para el tráfico ilegal de menores, confronta al intendente Fausto Rojas, el funcionario público por permitir el paso sin registro en la frontera de San Antonio, Misiones. La mujer critica la postura del intendente que justifica su acción como "humanitaria", mientras ella y su hijo son víctimas directas del delito.
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00:00The truth is that we give you the right to reply.
00:03I would like you, and I give us a return based on this,
00:06listen to the testimony that we are going to,
00:09a question we are going to ask Yanina,
00:11who kindly is also listening to you.
00:14It is a mother to whom they used,
00:17sorry if I do not give the correct information,
00:19but correct me Yanina,
00:21they kidnapped her, they used the identity of the son
00:24to cross a minor
00:27and take out a minor illegally from the country
00:30with the identity of his own son.
00:32Is that so, Yanina?
00:34Good afternoon, Diego and Grandma Carlos and Lucia.
00:38Good afternoon. Yes, it is like that.
00:42And what happens to you when you hear
00:44that a mayor of a border city,
00:46in this case San Antonio Misiones,
00:48says that it is okay
00:50that they have let more than 30 people
00:55without registering?
00:58And on the one hand it gives you a fight, right?
01:03That these things happen in the times in which we are.
01:07But I think Argentina is used to this kind of corrupt politicians, right?
01:13Let's see, it is like that.
01:16For money they let anything happen
01:19and that is what is happening.
01:22That is why there are so many missing children.
01:24Let's see, that we are used to it does not mean that it is okay.
01:27That's why I needed to point it out to you.
01:29The truth is that you are absolutely right, Yanina,
01:32but it is not okay to be used to it.
01:34You really choose people
01:37to represent you and do things well
01:40and make them comply with the law.
01:44Of course.
01:47Of course it is not okay.
01:49Obviously it is not okay.
01:51I wanted to make public my son's case
01:53and what is happening to him
01:55so that someone can take action on the matter,
01:58investigate, find out what happened.
02:01How can a minor cross the border to Paraguay
02:06without any kind of permission,
02:11without authorization,
02:13with a forged document?
02:16How?
02:17Of course.
02:18Well, there it is.
02:19We will leave that question to Yanina.
02:21Of course you will tell us in detail
02:23what you are experiencing,
02:24what happened to your son,
02:26but I will leave it to Fausto
02:28who listened to your story in detail.
02:31We understand, Fausto, the seriousness of the problem,
02:33that it is not about 30 inhabitants of San Antonio,
02:38but that that flexibility that exists on the border
02:41and the lack of rigour
02:43can end up with a minor deportation from the country
02:46illegally.
02:48Do you understand that, Fausto?
02:50Very well.
02:51I think what he doesn't understand is that
02:53it was an exceptional accident
02:55that took 20 minutes.
02:57The families with the boy were stranded
02:59and the families just crossed the border.
03:03Could a minor have crossed illegally?
03:06There was a minor.
03:08If they want to cross,
03:09they can cross anywhere.
03:10Were there minors who entered without registration that day?
03:13There were whole families.
03:14There were whole families.
03:15They went with their parents.
03:17And how do you know it was their parents?
03:19Because we were at the sports field
03:21at the integration party with the people.
03:23And who believed that those parents
03:25were actually the parents of those boys?
03:27Who gave faith?
03:28The crowd we saw in the video?
03:30It seems they didn't understand what I told you.
03:32Ah, we didn't understand.
03:33If they want to cross, they can cross.
03:34Let's see, explain it to me again.
03:35People can cross anywhere.
03:36There are 50,000 illegal crossings.
03:39Of course.
03:40That's what's worrying.
03:42If there are 50,000 illegal crossings
03:43and on top of that,
03:44in the police station,
03:45they do whatever they want.
03:46Excuse me, but Fausto,
03:47the question is,
03:48Fausto, Fausto,
03:49the question is,
03:50do you understand that this is a crime?
03:52For you, is it okay?
03:53For me, it's wrong, right?
03:55But it's okay, but on the other hand,
03:56there are two options.
03:58On the one hand,
03:59the law says that,
04:00and on the other hand...
04:01Of course, but here,
04:02you know what happens?
04:03It's true what Damian says.
04:05It's not a moral issue.
04:06Exactly.
04:07It's a legal issue,
04:08not a moral one.
04:09Let's see,
04:10if you're so responsible,
04:12so responsible, as you say,
04:14why didn't you
04:16return earlier
04:18and enter the time
04:19you were supposed to enter?
04:20But it was an accident.
04:22Accident?
04:23It was an accident.
04:24It took 20 minutes.
04:25And what happened?
04:26Let's see, what was the accident?
04:27There was an accident on the route,
04:29a plane crashed,
04:30two meteorites hit.
04:31What happened?
04:32I'll tell you.
04:33I'll tell you.
04:34I passed Ursula
04:35the events we organized.
04:38I don't know if...
04:39Okay, no, no.
04:40What's the accident?
04:42The accident is that
04:43the meetings were delayed.
04:45What meetings?
04:46A football match,
04:47are you talking to me?
04:48No, no,
04:49it's not a football match.
04:50It's a 60-year tradition
04:51between both peoples.
04:52No, I'm not interested.
04:53No, no, no.
04:54With that criterion,
04:55with that criterion,
04:56Mr. Mayor,
04:57with that criterion,
04:58Mr. Mayor,
04:59because of traditions,
05:00a lot of crazy things
05:01could be done,
05:02right?
05:03And I think
05:04we have to comply with the law.
05:05Hopefully,
05:06that never happens again,
05:07right?
05:08I don't want that to happen again.
05:10Don't go to the championships
05:11and that's it,
05:12it will not happen again.
05:13Come back earlier.
05:14Come back earlier.
05:15We will avoid that,
05:16exactly.
05:17Well.
05:18It will never happen again.
05:19Right?
05:20Because we will do
05:21what you say,
05:22we will get rid of
05:23all the abandoned families,
05:24we will get rid of
05:25all the abandoned families.
05:26Like,
05:27here something I think
05:28is very serious,
05:29I really say very serious,
05:30coming from a public official,
05:31is that because
05:33border crossings are permeable,
05:36let's say,
05:37If they kill on the sides, I can shoot them.
05:40If anyone can come in on the sides...
05:44Do you know what you're going to remind me of, Carlos?
05:46Do you know what you're going to remind me of?
05:48When on July 9, the mayor said,
05:52Well, everyone knows that there's a lot going on around here.
05:54They're stealing kids.
05:56What?
05:57I was going to say, but you can't be saying that.
06:00If you know there's a lot going on, why didn't you tell us?
06:02We have to report him. He's not just a neighbor.
06:05Of course, we have to report him.
06:06He's a public official, and if he commits a crime,
06:10you have to report him.
06:12Because I take it as a reality check.
06:15But when I say he's a public official,
06:16I can't prove anything.
06:19But, for example, as our producer tells us,
06:22in the Copa Libertadores,
06:23those footballers who have a ban on leaving the country
06:28can't go play football.
06:30But of course, it's something massive,
06:32and that's the facade they want to show us.
06:35Then, this is the reality you live in,
06:37of public officials who defend crimes, right?
06:40No, no, I don't defend crimes.
06:42It's a crime, what we see in the image.
06:43I defend something else.
06:45I defend that Argentine families
06:49shouldn't be thrown in jail.
06:51But you're also defending people's rights with that, too.
06:54Because one day it's a party,
06:55and another day it's the illegal entry of a minor,
06:58it's the entry of a person with a criminal record.
07:01Never above the law.
07:03You have to watch out for each one of your citizens.
07:07Never above the law.
07:08It's worse, understand?
07:09Listen to me here.
07:10A person writes to me, obviously from your town,
07:12who voted for you, and he tells me,
07:15Bernardo Didi Goyen,
07:17ambulances and funeral cars always pass by, right?
07:21And all the staff
07:23registers themselves.
07:26Even the dead.
07:27No, I'm in a hurry.
07:29He's in a hurry.
07:31Let's see if he can close the barrier.
07:37It never happened.
07:39No?
07:42He's in a hurry now.
07:46He had to hurry up
07:48to be able to enter 20 minutes earlier.
07:50Well, I'll call you tomorrow.
07:51Tomorrow there won't be a problem.
07:53I thank you.
07:54I thank you, understand?
07:55I thank you, understand?
07:56And I really hope that the deliberative council
07:59of your town...
08:02Investigates.
08:03...picks up the glove and investigates what happened
08:05because what you did is a crime.
08:08Done.
08:10It's incredible...
08:11Well, I think the truth...
08:13I think it's detestable.
08:16Why do you think that when we talk about politics
08:19I don't want to talk about it, nor do I care?
08:21Do you know why?
08:22Because that's how they think.
08:24I have it long, that's how I do what I want.
08:28And when I'm not going to forget,
08:30when that father was carrying the child in his arms
08:32when he was dying,
08:34they told him,
08:35it can't happen.
08:36It can't happen, Abigail.
08:38So, when I hear...
08:42Wait, I have to be careful when I speak.
08:44No, speak.
08:45No, but you can't.
08:46These guys,
08:47because to me they're guys,
08:50they're called public officials
08:52and I'm proud and I want to congratulate
08:56those who do bad things
08:58and I can say it because I'm an official.
09:00The day this blessed country
09:03does what it has to do
09:05and whoever does bad things,
09:07no matter who they are,
09:10that's when we'll start talking about the country
09:13and that's when I'll be interested in talking about politics.
09:18Because when I talked to him,
09:19I remembered the girl in his arms
09:21with the father crying because he was dying.
09:24Let's look at the photo.
09:26Let's look at the photo.
09:27Abigail, 12 years old,
09:29in the middle of a pandemic,
09:30had to cross from Tucumán to Santiago del Este.
09:32More importantly,
09:34it's a tradition of a football match
09:37than a 12-year-old's life.
09:40Or that they control ambulances,
09:43funeral cars,
09:44the dead man who goes inside
09:46in that same place.
09:49And the mayor tells me,
09:51I think it's good that everything happens.
09:53And if 500 kilos of falopa were to pass in the car
09:56and three of them see it?
09:57No, they were family.
09:58Go and discuss it with me.
10:00Of course, they were family from the neighborhood.
10:02Can we put...
10:03That was the answer.
10:04What makes me outraged
10:06is the impudence of a loud voice.
10:10Yes, yes, but they pass everywhere.
10:13We can translate it because, of course,
10:17he speaks to you like a peasant,
10:19in a plain language.
10:22He is a public official
10:27who on a channel like A24,
10:29a news channel of the most important in Argentina,
10:33almost on open television,
10:35confessed that he committed a crime,
10:39and it was part of a crime...
10:40And I congratulate him.
10:41In front of his nose.
10:43He congratulated the gendarme that you are seeing on the screen,
10:46who followed the orders of a civilian who said...
10:50He said he would do it again.
10:52No, no.
10:52He said he would do it again.
10:53He would do it again, he would reward someone
10:55who controls a person.
10:57With two tickets, boy.
10:58Yes.
10:59And the person who did not notify was promoted.
11:03Do you understand where we are standing?
11:06Do you know the most serious of the situation?
11:09That we find out about these things
11:12because of causes like Logan's,
11:14because of disappearances.
11:15I mean, a pot is uncovered
11:16and we begin to find out what is happening to us
11:18inside the country,
11:19not to stigmatize, but well,
11:21this does happen in different provinces of the country.
11:24This is not the only fact.
11:25In every corner of the country,
11:28without belittling the work of many officials
11:30who must do their job very well,
11:32but the naturalization of the crime is very serious.
11:36Because it is not an intendant who is saying,
11:38we made a mistake and we are going to take measures
11:40based on what is happening
11:42and there will be consequences.
11:43Defend a crime.
11:45There is no notion of what is right and what is wrong,
11:48and there is no notion of judicial legislation.
11:52Unfortunately, it is a constant,
11:53because I remember the intendant of 9 de Julio,
11:56Insaurralde, justifying that he received a departure
12:00that had no sense to help in the Logan cause,
12:04that he renewed the departure for next year
12:06with the taxes of the Correntinos,
12:08of the inhabitants of 9 de Julio,
12:09for next year.
12:11Who knows why, in an explicit way,
12:13and you take it out of the air and you justify it and you bank it.
12:16A governor, the current one.
12:17Let me cite examples that come to my mind.
12:20The current governor, Gustavo Valdez,
12:22saying that there was a criminal case
12:24that was in the hands of the federal justice,
12:25saying, we are one step away from solving it
12:28when it is a sphere that should not interfere
12:31at the very least in the tasks of the judicial power.
12:34We naturalize what is wrong, the crimes.
12:37No, first you don't have to naturalize anything.
12:39Second, the intendant answers you,
12:43and you there, and you here, what?
12:47And you here, what?
12:49And no, and the steps, we have illegal steps.
12:53And you fight them?
12:55And you fight them? No.
12:57And for the legal, because I would do it again
12:59for a humanitarian issue.
13:01A humanitarian issue is something else, teacher.
13:06Humanitarian was that they let the 12-year-old
13:08pass in the arms of the father dying.
13:12That is humanitarian in a football game.
13:14Do you remember that image?
13:17Do you remember that image?
13:20When that girl was dying,
13:25and we said, no, don't pass because the steps are not possible.
13:29Do you remember?
13:32So what country do we want to live in?
13:34What side of history do we want to stay on, guys?
13:38I want to stay in the history of the country
13:42in a state of law,
13:44where we are all equal before the law,
13:48and not that a public office gives you benefits.
13:54Because I argued
13:57if nothing happened in those cars.
14:00How many times did the same thing happen?
14:03Even worse, if I can give you the right hand,
14:07say, hey, let's check the minors, the children,
14:11let's see the cars, pass the scanner, everything else,
14:15and if you are so handsome,
14:16so handsome in the sense of a mayor,
14:19what would you do?
14:21Well, I take mine out of my pocket,
14:24and I pay the family a hotel on the other side,
14:27and at the first hour of the morning I let them pass.
14:29I take it out, I put mine,
14:31and let the people rest on the other side,
14:33and when they are authorized, let them pass with registration.
14:36Who passes? Let's see.
14:37Diego Esteves, documents?
14:38Okay, let's see, boy, I'm going to pass it to you.
14:40Oh, you don't have a badge, pass.
14:41Do you have an iron? No, you don't have an iron, pass.
14:43So, I don't know if it happened in those cars.
14:47Cocaine, marijuana, kidnapped people, drug trafficking.
14:51So, why the hell do we have the Sofia alert?
14:54If a mayor says it's okay and would do it again,
14:57for people to pass like that.
14:58And he does it, you know what it is?
15:00Look for me, please, Damian.
15:01I understand that Senator Cuider just spoke,
15:04Edgardo Cuider, you know,
15:05the one who crossed the border with $200,000.
15:08Look for me for the text, because he just broke the silence,
15:12naturalizing what he did.
15:14So, it goes from, without taking away anyone's merit,
15:18from the mayor of San Antonio,
15:20a small border town,
15:23with emissions,
15:25to a national senator.
15:28That's what it is, Cata.
15:29They think that
15:31they are more than they can rewrite everything,
15:33and no, on top of that, there are us.
15:35Not us, journalist, you who are on the other side.
15:38The citizens, what is known as the sovereign,
15:41that we have made a constitution
15:43that has to be on top of everything,
15:44based on the constitution,
15:46a congress that dictates laws,
15:49and they go through it,
15:51you know where.
15:53They go through it, you know where.
15:55They, because when you do something wrong,
15:58when you delay with a single-tribute payment,
16:01it's the end of the world and you're in a big problem.
16:04Now, they can do everything,
16:07and they say it in front of the camera,
16:08because they already have it incorporated, right?
16:11If you talk, you're bad milk.
16:13Oh, well.
16:14No, no, really.
16:15Bad milk.
16:16It's pathetic.
16:18I don't understand.
16:19I thought he was going to apologize.
16:20If the deliberative council
16:22should ask for an extraordinary session
16:26and analyze
16:29if this person is able to continue being a mayor,
16:32because if he recognizes a crime and would do it again,
16:36we're in trouble, guys.
16:38That's where the phone cut off, right?
16:39It cut off.
16:40Tomorrow we'll talk.
16:41Tomorrow we'll talk about nothing.
16:43How much political judgment, right?
16:44But you know what?
16:45With that criterion,
16:47tomorrow he's going to tell you,
16:49well, hey, people are unemployed,
16:50let them pass the cocaine and sell it,
16:52because they're unemployed, you know?
16:54There's hunger, let the kids start selling falopas,
16:56but in a good way, because we're friends.
16:58If I were the federal judge, Cristina Posar,
17:00I would immediately cite this public official,
17:04because, in addition to the air,
17:07let's put it again,
17:08because people are joining in,
17:11and I would like everyone to listen
17:13to the level of politicians
17:16that there are still today in Argentina.
17:18Like this mayor,
17:20he confessed, it happened to us, right?
17:23He said, there are a lot of illegal steps,
17:24I don't know why,
17:25they grab him with this.
17:27Talk.
17:28As you remember, the mayor of Nuevo de Julio,
17:30Insaurralde,
17:31he said, but what are you talking about?
17:35If there were always drug dealers here,
17:37if drugs were always sold,
17:39ah, well,
17:40if you knew, why didn't you report
17:41that he's a public official?
17:43And they tell you, bad luck, right?
17:45When the law says it clearly,
17:47if a public official sees a crime,
17:50he is forced to report it.
17:52Now, there they tell me,
17:53these are not issues that we do,
17:55Edgardo Cuida was a national senator,
17:59he crossed with a suitcase with $200,000
18:02and he just said,
18:03we keep adding, right?
18:05They do everything possible
18:06because we are outraged.
18:07He said, it is unheard of
18:10that the Senate wants to kick me out.
18:13Luckily,
18:14from one side and the other,
18:16politicians, some want to suspend him
18:18and the others directly want to expel him.
18:22The judge,
18:23I finish,
18:23Sandra Arroyo Salgado,
18:25Judge Sandra Arroyo Salgado
18:28wants to expel him and suspend him.
18:30At least, to a greater or lesser extent,
18:32some want to set an example with this.
18:34After that, it will be the next one, right?