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00:00Tonight's topic is one of the most dangerous things in the world, the murder of a slum dweller.
00:11We'll take a closer look at the cruel reality of gangs that involve the people.
00:17A few years ago, I was shot in the back.
00:21While I was cooking at home, a bullet flew through the wall.
00:27It's like I'm living on the ground.
00:30The worst slum in Central and South America, V.S. Crazy Journey.
00:36Tonight's journey is by a secret society journalist, Gonzalez Maruyama.
00:43This area is said to be a place where gunfights take place.
00:48The most dangerous topic of Gonzalez's journey is Central and South America.
00:56He has been covering this darkness in various countries.
01:00In Panama, the economic powerhouse of Central and South America.
01:04Our name is Shinsengang.
01:07Our job is to kill.
01:10If there's anyone you want to kill, I'll kill him.
01:16He directly interviews gangs that commit murder.
01:20In Mexico, the most popular tourist destination in Central and South America.
01:26Listen, this is a drug factory in Cartel.
01:31It's amazing.
01:33I can see it, but it's dark.
01:36It's hard to fly.
01:38To the drug factory hidden in the jungle.
01:42And in Brazil, the largest country in Central and South America.
01:47It's crazy.
01:49It's amazing.
01:53Is that all?
01:54Yes.
01:55Wow.
01:57It's amazing.
01:59In San Paolo, a drug-addicted amusement park.
02:04The coverage in this area was all about danger.
02:10It's a dangerous situation.
02:13And this time...
02:15The country that Gonzales is heading to is the worst in Central and South America.
02:20It's also called the world's murder capital.
02:24It's...
02:27El Salvador.
02:30It's ranked first in the world for four consecutive years.
02:36In 2015, there were more than 300 murders in Japan.
02:43There was also a warning from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
02:48It's a dangerous country that has been avoiding coverage for the past 10 years.
02:55In such a country, for the first time this year, Gonzales is finally going.
03:01What time is it now?
03:05Tonight, Maruyama Gonzales will take you on a journey to El Salvador, the world's murder capital.
03:12Wow.
03:14Mr. Gonzales.
03:16Thank you for having us.
03:18Thank you for having us.
03:20Thank you for having us.
03:22Thank you for having us.
03:23Mr. Gonzales.
03:24I'm surprised that you always come back safe and sound.
03:28Mr. Gonzales is here.
03:30That means he's alive and coming back.
03:32I don't want to be on VTR.
03:34If Mr. Gonzales doesn't come back for a while...
03:37I'm worried.
03:38That means he's dead.
03:40That's enough.
03:41We've been to many places.
03:43What did you go to this time?
03:45It's here.
03:47It's around here.
03:49It's a place called the Triangle Zone in the north of Central America.
03:55It's the base of a terrorist group like NS-13 and Barrio 18.
04:00The base?
04:01Yes.
04:02So we haven't been allowed to do any coverage until now.
04:06So that's where you've been.
04:08There's a reason behind this trip.
04:13Let's go.
04:15What kind of coverage was it?
04:1719 hours by plane from Japan.
04:2119 hours.
04:22It's his first time on a crazy journey.
04:24He's going to San Salvador, the capital of El Salvador.
04:30I'm here.
04:31It's grass.
04:33This is El Salvador's specialty, red grass.
04:37It's made of corn flour.
04:43It's hot.
04:47It's hot.
04:49It's hot.
04:51Is it good?
04:52It's like a freshly baked mochi.
04:54It's like a hand-made mochi.
04:56It's got cheese in it, so it's not hot at all.
04:58And it sticks to your hand.
05:01Unlike the rumors, the coverage started in a calm mood.
05:07El Salvador is the smallest country in the Americas,
05:12where about 6.5 million people live.
05:18Although it's a small country, its natural environment is full of variety.
05:241,500 years ago, a huge volcano erupted and engulfed the ancient Maya civilization.
05:33There are beautiful beaches known as the holy land of surfing.
05:39The country is known for its rich nature.
05:45However...
05:47In fact, the murder rate in this city is the highest in the world.
05:53It seems so. It's the most dangerous country in the world.
05:57The reason is MS-13 and Valium-18.
06:01They are gangs of this country.
06:03I see.
06:04They involved the general public and caused a lot of trouble.
06:10And we're going to destroy the vile criminal cartel MS-13 and many other gangs.
06:18But MS-13 is particularly violent.
06:21These are animals.
06:24President Trump made a declaration of annihilation.
06:30MS-13 is the world's strongest gang in El Salvador.
06:37It's called MS-13.
06:43MS-13 has a tattoo on its whole body.
06:45MS-13 has a tattoo on its whole body.
06:49MS-13 has a tattoo on its whole body.
06:52MS-13 has a tattoo on its whole body.
06:58As a result, El Salvador is the worst country in the world for four consecutive years.
07:08As a country where one murder happens every hour,
07:13El Salvador is called the world's murder capital.
07:18Mr. Donato, is there a place you want to go in El Salvador?
07:23First, I'll go to the slum.
07:24The slum?
07:25Wait a minute. There's a pigeon.
07:28As soon as he said he wanted to go to the slum,
07:31First, I'll go to the slum.
07:32The slum?
07:33Wait a minute. There's a pigeon.
07:35All the pigeons have flown away.
07:37Not all of them.
07:38Is this a warning from the police?
07:41Oh, no.
07:43What is this?
07:45In any case, their destination this time is a murderous slum.
07:51They have no choice but to be careful.
07:55I'm traveling to Finland this time.
07:58Nice to meet you.
07:59Nice to meet you, too.
08:01I'd like to ask you about Tikal, the slum in El Salvador.
08:05What kind of place is it?
08:07The place we're going to, Tikal,
08:10is a slum on the border between MS-13 and Barrio 18.
08:16What's troublesome is that the gang there is involving many residents in a criminal case.
08:23What? They're getting involved?
08:25Yes.
08:26If you ask me if it's 100% safe, I can only guarantee it.
08:30But there's no doubt that you can go in now.
08:32So you can go to a place you've never been before.
08:34And if it's a slum, I'd like to go there.
08:37I see.
08:38Of course, there are no tourists.
08:40Not at all.
08:42First of all, what do you mean by citizens getting involved in a criminal case?
08:48It's not just about gangs fighting each other.
08:55When you make money, you do a lot of business, right?
08:59In that case, the citizens get involved, too.
09:02For example, they make you carry a truck.
09:05That's how they get involved in a fight.
09:07Or they kidnap people.
09:09So I'd like to talk to the local residents.
09:16I'd like to know how they used to live in a slum.
09:23That's right.
09:25The first thing we're going to cover is the voices of the residents living in the worst slum in the world.
09:33What is a slum where citizens are killed?
09:37This is the slum district.
09:44The murder rate of El Salvador was the highest in the world.
09:50This is the top of the top.
09:53It's a strange story.
09:54This is the most dangerous place in the world.
09:59What is the real face of El Salvador?
10:06What is the real face of El Salvador?
10:17Mr. Yagoda, we're here.
10:20This is the other side of the slum.
10:25That's right.
10:28Is this really safe?
10:29Of course.
10:30There's no strange noise.
10:34I'm a little worried about the safety check.
10:38Gonzales has survived for many years.
10:42That's great.
10:45There's a lot of trash here.
10:48It doesn't look so dirty.
10:51That's right.
10:56The security is tight.
10:58It's a little different from what I imagined.
11:00The security is tight.
11:02The security is tight.
11:07I don't think there's a lot of people here.
11:10There's a lot of people in the house.
11:13There's music playing.
11:16This is a place where people are forced to live.
11:20There's a big road that goes all the way to the bottom.
11:23It's on top of a mountain.
11:26Even during the day, there are no signs of residents near the entrance to the slum.
11:33If you go further in...
11:37The slum is always full of trash.
11:41That's right.
11:42What's that?
11:44What's going on?
11:47There's a vase.
11:50There's a vase in front of me.
11:54I'm scared.
11:57This happens sometimes.
12:00No, never.
12:03After 15 minutes of walking through the slum,
12:07we finally arrive at the area that is said to be the most dangerous area in this slum.
12:11Is it safe?
12:13That's Barrio 18.
12:16It's a beach.
12:17That's the other side of the road.
12:20This is the boundary.
12:21So this is where the gunfight took place.
12:23It's not just here. It's everywhere.
12:25That's a common story.
12:27This road is the front line of the two gangs' conspiracy.
12:32The 10 people who were killed here are said to have killed more than 100 people.
12:40Here's the evidence.
12:42This is probably a gunshot wound.
12:44A gunshot wound?
12:45Is this it?
12:48There's another gunshot wound over there.
12:50You can see it clearly, right?
12:52It's pretty big, isn't it?
12:54Yeah, it's big.
12:56The number of gunshots shows the difference in the production.
13:03In another place...
13:06Wow, that's amazing.
13:08They're shooting right away.
13:10They're shooting normally.
13:13The slum area is still damaged by the residents.
13:18We asked the people who know the front line of such a conspiracy about their experience.
13:26First, a local reporter.
13:28What kind of town is this?
13:31Foreigners should never enter this place.
13:35You guys stand out, so you were killed right away.
13:38You were killed?
13:39It's a place where you get killed when you enter.
13:41That's amazing.
13:43I heard it's a slum where you get killed when you enter.
13:47Gonza can't hide his excitement.
13:50By the way, this woman herself was attacked more than 10 years ago.
13:57It was a long time ago when I was riding a taxi with my mother and friends.
14:03A gang suddenly attacked me and threatened me to pay money if I passed through here.
14:09My mother gave me my wallet right away.
14:12The gang members put their eyes on my friend's gold earrings and tore their ears off and took them away.
14:19He had no choice but to live in fear of the gang.
14:24This man who lives in a slum.
14:28I've been killed nine times by the gang.
14:31Nine times?
14:32Nine times?
14:34This man was attacked for the first time 20 years ago.
14:38He was badly injured in the lower body.
14:42I was talking to my friend here at night.
14:46I was lucky to meet a drunk gang there.
14:50I was shot in the neck and back six times for no reason.
14:55It's such a terrible incident.
14:58Even though he knows it's dangerous, why does he continue to live in this town?
15:05Since then, I've been attacked many times.
15:09I was attacked many times in the middle of playing.
15:13Of course, I tried to move many times.
15:16But it costs money to treat, and it's not easy.
15:21He can't even move because he's poor.
15:25Some of the victims are like this.
15:29My sister was kidnapped by MS-13 a few years ago.
15:34She was cut into pieces and killed.
15:37After that, they drank my sister's blood.
15:41It's crazy.
15:43They drank my sister's blood.
15:51MS-13 has a criminal record of more than a dozen times.
15:56We were able to find out the truth behind El Salvador.
16:03But...
16:05Is it peaceful here now?
16:08I didn't expect this kind of world to come.
16:13Now I can go out at night.
16:16All I can do is thank the president and the government.
16:21Yes, actually...
16:25Gonzales has a real purpose for this interview.
16:30In fact, all the incidents we've covered so far
16:34have happened more than a few years ago.
16:39So, what is El Salvador these days?
16:44It's been very peaceful here for a few years.
16:48Now I don't have to be afraid of gangs.
16:53El Salvador used to have the highest murder rate in the world.
16:58But in the past few years, the number has decreased dramatically.
17:03Now, it's down to 1 out of 40.
17:08This is the most peaceful number in North and South America.
17:13It's comparable to Canada.
17:16So, where did the gang go?
17:21The gang is not here now.
17:24It's proof that we can talk to the local residents.
17:29What do you mean?
17:30It's all in the prison.
17:33It's not that they ran away, but they were put in prison.
17:37Yes, this is the real topic of this interview.
17:44The Gang Extinction Project
17:49We did the surgery without the gang members' cancer.
17:54In 2019, when Mr. Buquerez became president at the age of 37,
18:01he thoroughly eliminated the police and politicians who were corrupt.
18:08In addition, he implemented the Gang Extinction Project,
18:13and changed El Salvador, which was said to be the worst city in the world,
18:18to one of the most peaceful countries in the world in just five years.
18:23What is the biggest factor that contributed to the security improvement?
18:29It's SECOD.
18:31SECOD
18:35What kind of place is it?
18:38It's the world's largest prison built in this country.
18:43It's called a gang-specific detention facility.
18:47President Buquerez built SECOD, the prison of hell, for the Gang Extinction Project.
18:54It's a huge prison where tens of thousands of gang members are already held.
18:59After this, Gonzalez will infiltrate.
19:02I've never seen such a scary face.
19:05GANG EXTINCTION PROJECT
19:11It's delicious.
19:13This is the huge facility for the Gang Extinction Project.
19:18It's the world's largest prison, SECOD.
19:21SECOD?
19:23The maximum number of prisoners is 40,000, and it's a gang-specific facility.
19:27Only gang members?
19:29If there are only gang members, it's going to be a mess.
19:32It's like the end of the century.
19:35Did Gonzalez infiltrate SECOD?
19:39Yes, he did.
19:41I don't know if the word is appropriate, but I wonder how the gang manages it.
19:49There are rumors about SECOD all over the world.
19:54I felt like the government was handling it differently.
19:59What do you mean?
20:02There are rumors that they put sedatives in the food they give to prisoners.
20:12As I said before, if you put a gang in one place, it's going to be a mess.
20:17But that hasn't happened yet.
20:19I wonder if the urban legend is true.
20:25I want to investigate it.
20:26I also want to know what the government's stance on gangs is.
20:35I was able to talk to the government about it.
20:39I'd like you to take a look at that.
20:42I see.
20:47Hello, Mr. Gonzalez.
20:49Good morning.
20:51What are you wearing?
20:53This is my uniform.
20:55I have to dress up properly.
20:59This is a proper uniform.
21:03Who is going to meet Gonzalez in his best uniform?
21:08The person I'm going to interview today is the Secretary-General of the Viziatro Security Agency.
21:14Yes.
21:15He is the Secretary-General of the Viziatro Security Agency.
21:25The first person I'm going to talk to is a government official.
21:30How are you doing today?
21:33I'm doing well.
21:35I have a question for you.
21:38Nice to meet you.
21:41He is the Secretary-General of the Viziatro Security Agency.
21:48He is going to talk about the prison in hell, where three people from all over the world gather.
21:57Journalist Gonzalez.
22:00How is he going to cut in?
22:02Are you okay?
22:04Why are you getting angry all of a sudden?
22:07I'm sorry.
22:08He is ready.
22:11Nice to meet you.
22:13Nice to meet you, too.
22:16I have a question about gangs.
22:19Do the gangs leave the prison alive?
22:23That's a good question.
22:25I see.
22:27Let me make it clear.
22:30In the first place, the prison was built for serial killers.
22:38Gangs kill more than one person a day.
22:44I see.
22:46It is impossible for such a person to leave the prison alive.
22:53He can't leave the prison anymore.
22:57How does the El Salvador government think about the human rights of gangs?
23:03Gangs are terrorists.
23:06In other countries, they don't capture terrorists, but kill them.
23:13But we try to capture them alive.
23:18We protect the human rights of at least life.
23:24And let me say one more thing.
23:28Criminals should not live a better life than normal.
23:34The minister said that he would never forgive the gangs.
23:41What kind of prison did they build?
23:47Good morning.
23:49It's time.
23:52We are going to Secot.
23:55A huge prison.
23:57They are going to Secot, the main destination of this trip.
24:01How do you feel now?
24:06I'm very excited.
24:09I think this will be a turning point for the criminal world.
24:14What do you mean?
24:16Until now, the Japanese government didn't punish the criminals.
24:21They checked the criminals through the judicial system.
24:24In Megacancel, they punish the suspects.
24:29It's totally different.
24:31There is a possibility that they will be punished.
24:34This judicial system has greatly improved the security of this country.
24:40The judicial system of the El Salvador government
24:45can arrest criminals without a warrant,
24:49such as tattoos, reports from third parties, and so on.
24:54As a result, many gangs were arrested in a short period of time.
24:59More than 83,000 people were arrested.
25:03This is equivalent to 1% of the population.
25:07From our point of view, human rights are important, of course.
25:11But the countries that want to improve the security
25:15are worried that they might think otherwise.
25:20A method to ignore human rights to improve the security of the worst.
25:26What is it?
25:29I can see it.
25:31What is it?
25:33Oh, that's it.
25:35Oh, this is it.
25:37The color is big.
25:39It's expensive.
25:41There's nothing around.
25:43It says SECOD on the wall.
25:47Can you see the front?
25:49Isn't it amazing?
25:51As far as I can see, it's a wilderness.
25:53Indeed, it's amazing.
25:56There's nothing in the back.
25:58There's nothing.
26:00SECOD is a place isolated from the rest of the world.
26:08This is the world's most strict prison,
26:11where only gangs, who cannot leave once they enter, are kept.
26:17We're going to go in after a strict check.
26:22We're told to bring our watches and accessories.
26:30There are tens of thousands of people in there.
26:34Isn't it dangerous for us to go in there?
26:37There's no end to that.
26:39But there's one thing to be careful of.
26:41When there's a riot, wear shoes that you can run and run away in.
26:44Wear shoes that you can run and run away in.
26:49Is there a possibility that we'll run and run away?
26:53It's just a possibility.
26:55If there's a riot, it'll be the end.
26:57I hope so.
26:59Anyway, I think it'll be an interesting interview.
27:03What exactly is SECOD?
27:07Let's go.
27:09Wow, amazing.
27:11There it is.
27:13Welcome.
27:15It's huge.
27:17Nice to meet you.
27:19I'm the chief.
27:21You're the chief?
27:23Welcome. I'm Garcia, the chief of the prison.
27:27This time, Garcia, the chief of the prison, will lead us.
27:32This is a newly built prison,
27:36so the security against criminals is perfect.
27:40For example, in the area where the prisoners are,
27:44you have to open four large doors to get in.
27:49You have to go through four doors to get to the prisoners' quarters.
27:55The first area is the entry zone.
28:00What we're concerned about is the thorough investigation of the prisoners.
28:05Because the gangs try to put things into the prison through lawyers.
28:12That's where the crime begins.
28:15And so...
28:18Put your hand on the wall.
28:20Yes.
28:24Oh, it's a shoehorn.
28:26It's amazing.
28:28Oh, it's a shoehorn.
28:30It's amazing.
28:34Oh, it's a shoehorn.
28:38This time, we'll check with X-ray.
28:42All the staff are thoroughly checked.
28:46It's tight. It's tight.
28:50What's at the end of the second door?
28:53It's a tight door.
28:58It's a movie theater.
29:00If you go in here, it's over.
29:02This is the facility's control tower.
29:05Not only do we monitor the inside of the prison,
29:08but the most important place is...
29:12This building is the armory.
29:15We are ready to fight the gangs at any time.
29:21Wow, wow, wow.
29:23The Matrix is coming out.
29:25These are the guns used by the guards.
29:29The gangs don't know when and what they're going to do,
29:33so we have military-level equipment.
29:38Have you ever used a gun like this in the past two years?
29:44Not even once.
29:47It's probably because it's been thoroughly checked.
29:51Next, we'll go through the third door.
29:55We're going to drive through it.
29:58We're going to another facility.
30:01In front of the last door,
30:04there's a space where about 1,000 guards live.
30:09There are about 30,000 gangs in Secot.
30:14They can be here 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
30:18They live here?
30:20The guards stay in this facility and monitor them.
30:24Wow, that's a lot of work.
30:26After passing through our strict security,
30:29there's an interrogation car.
30:32This is the interrogation car.
30:34Finally.
30:36Finally, we're in the fourth area.
30:40Wow, look at that building.
30:43This is the prison tower.
30:45This is the prison tower.
30:49If an inmate steps foot into this building,
30:53they will never leave this building.
30:58In other words, they will stay in this building until they die.
31:04It's an unbelievable situation
31:07that inmates can't leave the prison tower until they die.
31:11What's going on inside this building?
31:16Everyone,
31:18there's one thing to be aware of.
31:21Please don't talk to the interrogation car.
31:25We've prepared an interview at the end.
31:29Let's go.
31:33The time is limited.
31:35I see.
31:41It's all white.
31:43That's right.
31:46This is the second prison of hell,
31:49exclusively for violent gangs.
31:52It's amazing.
31:54I'm excited.
32:03Wow.
32:05It's all white.
32:07That's right.
32:09It's like a prison.
32:11It's amazing.
32:15The place where the inmates stayed
32:18is more like a warehouse than a prison.
32:22About 80 inmates live in one cell.
32:26It's so simple.
32:28A strange scene unfolds.
32:31He's holding the cell with his hands up.
32:33He's so scary.
32:35He's staring at us.
32:38I've never seen anyone with such a scary face.
32:43All the inmates here
32:45are gang members of the violent gangs.
32:49They're all looking at us.
32:52They're looking at us
32:55for this interview.
32:57They're looking at us
32:59as if they're watching us.
33:01They're looking at us
33:03because we're on TV.
33:06Also,
33:08if this program is broadcast to the world,
33:11their families and friends may watch it.
33:14I think they want to see if we're still alive.
33:19In Sekot,
33:21no contact with the outside world is allowed,
33:24such as visits.
33:26They live in this building for the rest of their lives.
33:30They can never leave the sun.
33:34What's inside the prison?
33:38There are two, three, and four floors.
33:41It's a rack.
33:43There's a rack-like shelf
33:45without a bed.
33:47This is where they sleep.
33:49There are no cushions or anything like that.
33:52The blue tank is filled with water.
33:54You can drink or use the water.
33:57There's a toilet next to it.
34:00There's a vent.
34:02That's all there is.
34:05It's hard to believe
34:07that they live here
34:09despite the environment.
34:12How do you spend your day here?
34:16They stay in the cage for 23 and a half hours
34:19without doing anything.
34:21So basically,
34:23they don't do anything.
34:25That's amazing.
34:27It takes them 30 minutes
34:28to get out of the cage.
34:32That's where they stretch
34:35and read the Bible.
34:38They don't leave the building.
34:42This is where Gonzales
34:45hears about the rumors
34:47that are spread all over the world.
34:49I heard a rumor
34:51that you mix supplements
34:53that have a healing effect.
34:56Is that true?
34:58It's a rumor about food.
35:01There's lunch here.
35:03Do you want to take a look?
35:05Lunch.
35:07This is what they eat every day.
35:11Every day?
35:13Is it a carbohydrate?
35:15They don't use any sedatives.
35:18I don't know who started it,
35:20but you shouldn't do that.
35:23That's scary.
35:25It's a rumor,
35:26but it's true that it's strict.
35:29They can't use forks or knives,
35:32which are dangerous.
35:34They eat everything by hand.
35:37There's no animal protein
35:40in their food.
35:42That's what the director said.
35:44They live a life like hell.
35:47Will there be a riot?
35:51We're educated in gangs,
35:53so there has never been a riot.
35:57For example,
35:59we put gang members who kill each other
36:02in the same cage
36:04and make them reflect.
36:06You put them in the same cage?
36:08You don't separate them?
36:10No, we don't.
36:12We make them learn
36:14how stupid the structure of the gang is.
36:17He showed us that.
36:20MS?
36:21Who's MS? Come here.
36:26This is MS-13.
36:29As you know,
36:31it's the most dangerous gang in Central and South America.
36:34Next, come here, Vario.
36:38This is his rival, Vario-80.
36:42They're in the same cage,
36:44but they don't fight at all.
36:46Take a look.
36:48You're all friends, right?
36:51Yes.
36:54He's laughing.
36:57How did they name the mysterious gangs?
37:03There was strict prison education.
37:08Gangs are most active when they're transferred.
37:12So it's important to make them think
37:15that they can't do anything in a secluded place.
37:21Here's a video of the transfer.
37:28I've seen this before.
37:31In the crowd,
37:33the prisoners are held with both hands and feet
37:37and taken to the prison.
37:39They're naked.
37:42Sit here.
37:44Sit down.
37:47I've seen this before.
37:48As soon as they arrive,
37:50they're told to be disciplined.
37:54If they don't listen to you,
37:57you'll have to spend at least 15 days in solitary confinement.
38:03Here it is.
38:07Go ahead.
38:09There's a concrete bed inside,
38:12and a toilet.
38:15There's no light,
38:16and only the light coming from the ceiling.
38:20Close the window.
38:27The ceiling light is on.
38:30This is strange.
38:34What kind of crime did they commit in such a strict facility?
38:41We can't talk about it,
38:42but they introduced us to the prisoners.
38:47Face this way.
38:49Take off your clothes.
38:53What kind of crime did they commit in such a strict facility?
38:59Face this way.
39:01Take off your clothes.
39:02Take off your clothes.
39:09This man has committed five murders
39:13and was sentenced to 100 years in prison.
39:16I've seen all the trials.
39:18He can't be pardoned for this crime.
39:22Face this way.
39:24Face this way.
39:26This man was killed in MS-13
39:29after kidnapping four soldiers.
39:33He was also sentenced to 100 years in prison.
39:38The next man is the most serious of them all.
39:46He was sentenced to 269 years in prison.
39:50This man was arrested for the crime he committed.
39:58Many of the prisoners in Sekot
40:01have been sentenced to more than 100 years in prison.
40:04They've committed crimes they'll never be able to atone for.
40:09One of them was sentenced to 1,000 years in prison.
40:13He said he was sentenced to 1,000 years in prison.
40:161,000 years? I don't understand.
40:17What's the point of going that far?
40:20You're right.
40:22Of course, they've committed unforgivable crimes.
40:27But what do they think about being sentenced here?
40:32We asked one of the prisoners, a member of MS-13.
40:38What was the crime you committed?
40:40I've committed most of the crimes, including murder and theft.
40:45How many people did you kill?
40:4730 people.
40:4930 people?
40:51How long have you been in prison?
40:53I've been in prison for 100 years.
40:55100 years for 30 people.
40:57Do you enjoy living in this prison?
41:04This is the most strict prison in El Salvador.
41:09You can get out of the cage in 30 minutes.
41:12There's nothing to enjoy.
41:15Do you regret your past crimes here?
41:21Or do you have nothing to regret?
41:24No, I don't.
41:26I regret and regret every day.
41:31When it gets dark, I cry in the cage.
41:35There are a lot of other crying gangs.
41:39What do you talk about when you talk to the prisoners?
41:45We don't have a future.
41:48We only have the past.
41:51That's why we often talk about the past.
41:54If you were to stay here until you die,
41:58would you choose death or suicide?
42:02Or would you rather stay here until you die?
42:09I wouldn't choose death.
42:12Because I don't want to give up hope.
42:16I want to accept what happened because of my past crimes.
42:20And I want to keep living until the end.
42:25That's a great question.
42:27How did you like the video?
42:29It was a place where you could feel the strong will of the gang members.
42:41But there were people who were staring at us.
42:46There were people who weren't broken-hearted.
42:49I didn't know what to do in a society like this.
42:55I think what the government is saying makes sense.
43:00While the gang members felt the strong will of the government,
43:05Gonzalez thought there was a problem.
43:10And that was...
43:12This is an interview with the father who claims that his son was arrested.
43:19Arrested?
43:22That's a great interview.
43:23In fact, more than 83,000 people were arrested in the gang escape plan.
43:30After that, more and more people were accused of innocence.
43:34In November last year, the government released five innocent citizens.
43:40There were 8,000 of them.
43:44A new darkness was found in El Salvador.
43:49What kind of sacrifice did the government make?
43:51One day, my son was reported to the police as a member of the gang.
43:59And he was arrested without any evidence.
44:05It's been almost two years since he was arrested.
44:11Has the trial already been held?
44:14That's the problem.
44:17They don't hold a trial at all.
44:20Even though they have a lot of evidence that his son is innocent.
44:25Santos is said to be a victim of a super-legal measure that can only be arrested by a third party.
44:34Fortunately, he has not yet been transferred to Secod.
44:38Since his arrest, he has not been able to see anyone, and is currently serving time in another prison.
44:44My son is not a member of the gang.
44:48My father is 100% sure.
44:51I'm sure.
44:53When the police first came to arrest him, they couldn't find any evidence of the gang.
44:59The reason why he was arrested was because his son was playing a game with his mother.
45:06The police suddenly gave him a clue that it was a game played by the gang.
45:13It seems that the police have a rule to arrest gangs.
45:18I think his son was used to earn points.
45:22If your son could come out, what would you like him to say?
45:31Well...
45:33I want to tell him that I love him.
45:37And...
45:39I never doubted my father.
45:43That's what I want to tell him.
45:48Will there be a day when true peace will come to El Salvador?
45:55Ms. Koike, how was it?
45:58It's natural to be arrested, but there were a lot of things that came.
46:04But that's how peace is maintained.
46:06You said in the car that this might be a new way of dealing with crime in the world.
46:16It's a bad way to put it, but the idea that even a small number of victims should be peaceful.
46:22We feel uncomfortable now, but it may become normal.
46:27In order to make it peaceful, the idea that a small number of victims will come out.
46:31If this idea spreads all over the world, this may be the beginning.
46:37You said this was your goal, but there's still a long way to go.
46:42Originally, I was going to return here after the interview.
46:46I'm going to do an additional interview at Gatemala in Ringo.
46:50It's been a while since I've been in danger.
46:53That's next time.
46:55Gonzalez's journey of interviewing is not over yet.
46:58Next week, to the jungle of Africa.
47:01This is a tree, right?
47:03A journey to protect animals from poachers.
47:0890-minute special.
47:11Don't miss it.
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