Breaking news! Deshaun Watson to undergo surgery after he ruptured his Achilles again. Tobin proposes an idea connected to the Cleveland phone line... a wild trade proposition that would send Tua to Cleveland for the 2nd Overall pick? Leroy doesn't think Tua will find success if traded to the AFC North.
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00:00a breaking news in the NFL.
00:02Oh, I saw that.
00:03Deshaun Watson, Leroy is back.
00:10He underwent surgery again this week
00:12because he tore his Achilles again.
00:15Not great.
00:19How are you feeling?
00:20Probably should have gave Aaron to call a Aaron.
00:25That's that's like the old John Wall.
00:28I remember that happened.
00:30Yeah, the he had the Achilles injury
00:32and then re injured it while he was in recovery.
00:37That's that's brutal man.
00:39What are they going to do?
00:42None.
00:42If you can't play you can't would
00:45what do you do with that number too big?
00:52Like the problem that I have with all this is
00:56I hate when teams need a quarterback
00:57and they draft a quarterback, even though
01:00a quarterback may not be, you know,
01:03well, it's going to be the water standard, right?
01:07Yeah.
01:07I mean, who would have more of an impact though?
01:10Travis Hunter.
01:13So what do you do?
01:15You need a quarterback quarterback, you know,
01:17but I play you play it as happy by the end of the year
01:20here.
01:21Yes, you need a quarterback.
01:25But if you don't have the infrastructure
01:28to
01:30have that quarterback come in and play.
01:33Now, you're ruining another career.
01:37And so I don't know how what their situation is
01:40and how they feel about offensive line receivers
01:44running game stuff like that, right?
01:47The defense is getting older.
01:49So
01:51if I were to say, yeah, I can get
01:54one of those quarterbacks
01:57is he
01:59going to be in an environment or a situation where
02:02he can come in
02:04and be an impact guy.
02:07You guys want to have some fun?
02:09Sure.
02:12Give me a phone Marcos.
02:19Who's the GM in Cleveland Leroy?
02:20Barry
02:22Andrew Barry.
02:23Andrew Barry.
02:27Hey,
02:28it's Andrew Barry.
02:30Hey, Andrew.
02:30What's up, man?
02:31It's Chris Greer down in Miami.
02:32How are you?
02:35Let me ask you something, dude.
02:39What do you feel about trading that number to pick for
02:40to a tongue of a low?
02:44No,
02:45what
02:46who's saying no in this case?
02:49I think both parties interesting
02:52because because here's the deal.
02:56You know, you have a quarterback that fits the system.
03:00Do they have a they have a quarterback.
03:02They have a quarterback with some injury concerns.
03:04Who fits the system?
03:05Sure.
03:05Sure.
03:06Absolutely.
03:07Absolutely.
03:09But
03:10are you willing to start that process over?
03:13Well, that's what I'm asking Leroy.
03:16The Miami Dolphins get into themselves.
03:17If they find a team in Cleveland and it's really up up a
03:22Creek right now.
03:23They have it.
03:24If you're Andrew Barry,
03:27you
03:29and you've heard about two in the cold.
03:32Oh, yeah, you're going to bring him to Cleveland.
03:37I mean, maybe he'll be more used to it by the time that
03:39goes down.
03:41No,
03:43look, look at all the quarterbacks up North.
03:48They got a type of like to be able to withstand all that.
03:52So you think you can never do it?
03:53Huh?
03:54I don't think it's not that he can never do it.
03:56It's
03:57am I going to take a chance on that?
04:00And I have the number to pick.
04:01The answer is no.
04:03So you'd rather roll the dice on a rookie
04:06or again,
04:08Travis Hunter.
04:10Okay, but let's say they're not taking Travis Hunter.
04:12Let's say they either go like if you do or
04:16or two or more.
04:18Well, they're probably not going to camp war.
04:19The camera is probably going to Tennessee.
04:21Although if they did get can't worry.
04:22What if I made it?
04:23Let me, let me say this.
04:24What if should or Sanders was going to Tennessee and you
04:26were the Dolphins and you could get the number to pick
04:29for Tua?
04:32No,
04:34Marcos.
04:37I mean, it's worth investigating.
04:38You know, just think about it a little bit.
04:40Leroy.
04:41I did.
04:41I thought about it.
04:43I thought about it here.
04:46You're saying Cam Ward can't do it with two of us.
04:49Yes, I am.
04:51He plays that position differently.
04:53There's no wrong with that.
04:54We'll tweak the system a little bit.
04:58Maybe the system is the problem.
05:00Have you thought about that?
05:01I'm just I'm just saying like the conversation.
05:04It's just it's one of those things.
05:05Like if you're looking for it, if I'm the Browns, right and
05:09I'm in this situation where if I'm the Browns, I'm not
05:11trading no more damn picks.
05:14Which is a straight up just one pick.
05:17You can get that you get the Dolphins pick so you can go
05:18to 13 Dolphins get your pick, but you guys also get to a
05:24so you get your veteran QB.
05:25There you go.
05:26No, no, no, no, you're welcome.
05:29No, you're welcome.
05:30No.
05:31All right.
05:33Hmm.
05:35I think it's worth a little thought.
05:38I think it's a real thought.
05:40This guy wants Travis.
05:42I thought about it.
05:44What's it to a play with Jerry?
05:45Judy?
05:46Huh?
05:47The two will play with Jerry.
05:48Judy.
05:49Did you think so?
05:50Jerry Jews like eighth or ninth year?
05:53Hmm.
05:56Look at that.
05:59Tua and Jerry Judy connected for several touchdowns while
06:03playing Alabama.
06:04How about that?
06:05Isn't that interesting?
06:06Marcos?
06:10So all of a sudden we got to realize you do realize.
06:16And here's the other thing that you two Neanderthals haven't
06:19considered.
06:20That's not nice.
06:21That hurts.
06:22Don't hit me with cap stuff.
06:23Just let's, let's have a little fun.
06:24Don't hit me.
06:25We're going to be paying a hundred million to how good can
06:27your team be?
06:28If you're paying a hundred million to damage is done.
06:30Well, I'm actually giving you a, I'm giving you a solution
06:32because you're up a Creek with no, with no quarterbacks.
06:34You're either going to go rookie or you're literally just
06:37paying dead.
06:37Might another.
06:38I'm sure the dollars got to pick up some of it, but the
06:40dolphins in this case are going to go with either cam water
06:42should door Sanders.
06:44And I'm saying you can revamp it.
06:46You guys have a quarterback who can actually, you know, play
06:48football and not have, uh, you know, not have, I don't know
06:52what the hell is going on with Deshaun Watson.
06:53I mean, it's legitimately the worst, maybe the worst contract
06:56in NFL history.
06:57So not maybe.
06:59Yeah.
07:00So I'm, I'm, I'm revamping you guys for almost, almost a win
07:04now situation because otherwise you guys are going to get
07:06drubbed.
07:06You're in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL, right?
07:09No, I understand that.
07:10I'm just saying that I'm not trading.
07:15Because here's the other thing.
07:17In order to build a team.
07:22You need a couple of years with a cheap quarterback.
07:28So that you can put those resources to something else, right?
07:32But you're not in that.
07:33You're not really in that situation though, because you guys
07:36pay, but you're still going to need, you're going to need some
07:39some players that are cheap labor.
07:42You just, you're going to need that.
07:45If I take and I invest a hundred million at one position, how
07:49good is that team going to be?
07:52Probably not great, but you're in a desperate situation, no
07:54matter what, like you're already paying that much money.
07:57Then if that's, if that's the case, I would just take my
08:01chances with a young quarterback because he's cheaper.
08:06But I'm not going to spend a hundred million on one position.
08:10You can't do it.
08:11Hmm.
08:12You can't, but you guys already kind of are screwed.
08:15You know what I mean?
08:15Yeah, no, you're in a bad spot.
08:17The Browns are in a bad spot.
08:19So beggars can't be choosers.
08:21Take crap in this situation.
08:22I'm giving you guys a 13 pick.
08:23You can still get a player.
08:25Oh, we're switching pigs too.
08:26I said it's a pick swap.
08:27It's a pick swap.
08:28Dolphins gets moved to two.
08:29They get to a, they get, and the 13 goes to the Browns playing
08:32hard ball here.
08:33You're playing hard ball here.
08:34But, uh, I checked recently.
08:36I did some research.
08:38You know what?
08:38The Cleveland Metro parks zoo is missing.
08:42Hmm.
08:43Cheetah.
08:44Oh, come on, baby.
08:48More money.
08:49Come on.
08:51No, no.
08:52The Browns are in a rebuild.
08:53Like, what do you think?
08:54Cause because of the Deshaun wants the thing, like, what do
08:56you think they're in?
08:57Like they just very clearly have, I think whatever they do
09:02is going to demand that they have cheaper options.
09:10With, with the Deshaun Watson situation with the guys, they're
09:14playing on defense.
09:16You got Jerry, Judy, you're paying a lot of money.
09:18You got, um, the tight end from who's the time from down here
09:23in Joku.
09:24He's getting paid a lot of money.
09:26You got to revamp the offensive line.
09:28Guys are getting old, right?
09:30You got to get some, you know, a little bit of help on defense
09:33a little bit younger.
09:35All that can be done with draft picks.
09:39You know, a frog boy.
09:40I saw that this Reggie McKenzie may be going to the Tennessee
09:43Titans is their new GM who was with the Dolphins for all these
09:46years.
09:49A little friendly face there that maybe he doesn't want to
09:52go with one of these quarterbacks who people aren't saying
09:54are that great.
09:55So maybe he wants a veteran quarterback, you know, a former
09:59league leader and passer.
10:01Why are you jumping to all of a sudden?
10:03I'm just talking about, well, he's never healthy.
10:05He's never healthy.
10:06So why would somebody trade for him?
10:08Well, somebody wants to start off their career with a
10:09whiz bang.
10:11So if you have those feelings, you think other people don't
10:15dude.
10:15I just saw the Atlanta Falcons pay Kirk Cousins off a torn
10:17Achilles, a hundred million dollars.
10:18People make decisions all the time.
10:20Well, that contract, they only have one more year.
10:23That's fine.
10:24And they they planned on.
10:28Pinnock City.
10:30They still paid him a hundred million guaranteed.
10:32Yeah, like you're at you're acting like people don't do
10:35desperate things for QBs all the time.
10:38I understand that but at the time they had no quarterback
10:41fine, but they still paid a guy off an Achilles a hundred
10:44million dollars guaranteed the Jets and as did the Jets and
10:49how working out for both of those teams.
10:50So when you're you think another team is going to then go
10:53and sign an injury-prone quarterback.
10:56You're kind of making my point for me people do reckless
11:00things in sports all the time.
11:04I know but but what I'm saying is you asked me and I said
11:08why I wouldn't do it.
11:10Yeah, because you don't believe it anymore.
11:11No, that's not.
11:15This has nothing to do with to it.
11:19And it has to do with the type of quarterback.
11:22You need like there's no there's no little quarterbacks
11:31in NFC North AFC North none.
11:35Look at him go.
11:37Look just go go up the what am I looking at how the quarterbacks
11:41are built in that division.
11:44Jackson's are huge.
11:45I mean Lamar Jackson, you know runs a 4-3.
11:48He does.
11:48He's a super.
11:50Okay, and he's won two MVPs.
11:52So that that'll mix that you just talked about build though.
11:56Yeah, Russell Wilson's not big tiny.
12:00Okay.
12:01The only guy who's really your prototype is Joe bull throw
12:06and supposedly just showing Watson, but he's not know you
12:08don't get to be a prototype with no leg.
12:12So no, I wouldn't if I'm Cleveland.
12:15No and Baker was small bigger at success in Cleveland.
12:19He did so.
12:22For me.
12:23I'm not who is that?
12:26I'm not proving the point.
12:27That's like Jiminy Cricket.
12:29So so let me get this straight.
12:31You look at two and you look at Baker and you say they're
12:34same Z's.
12:36You don't think they're pretty similar.
12:37No, why not?
12:38Baker plays a different style of quarterback.
12:40The dudes been playing that tool put tool plays a different
12:44style of quarterback.
12:46It's not they aren't comparable.
12:50I think they are kind of comparable.
12:51Okay.
12:52Like how are they not?
12:53Okay.
12:55You just keep saying okay.
12:56Tell me why they're not.
12:57Why what's the difference?
12:59They played football the way they throw the ball.
13:01It's different because the lefty right you you you're taking
13:08you can take Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield will run and
13:10scramble.
13:10He's tough.
13:11He's like, he's been playing that style of football his
13:14whole life to a hazard.
13:17Okay, but you're you can be the same size and play the
13:21position differently.
13:22You know that right?
13:23So you just don't think it to a complaint that division.
13:26I just don't think if I'm trading the second pick in the
13:30draft, it's not going to be for a guy like tour.
13:38How big is your door?
13:38He's not very big.
13:39No, he's tiny.
13:42It's not like you're giving up that pick though.
13:44You just you think it's so you think it would be more prudent
13:46to take a rookie quarterback who's also not small or who was
13:49also not big.
13:51And try him out except for a guy with because to it does have
13:55credentials.
13:55Well, he would he would hear he would be 40 million dollars
13:59cheaper.
14:00That's fine.
14:03But a risk.
14:04It's kind of more of a short.
14:05It is a bit of a more short thing as far as a guy.
14:0910 to 15 million dollar risk over a 50 million dollar risk.
14:18I thought I was giving you guys a break.
14:19I mean, you guys have been sitting here playing DTR and Jamis
14:22Winston and Bailey's happy all these years.
14:26You're scoffing at me.
14:27Okay, Joe Flacco.
14:29Last time anything was cool.
14:32She says that like how to open a rope Leroy into an argument
14:34for something that will never happen.
14:36I know that's why I said, let's have some some fun.
14:39Schmiedt and but Leroy won't let me have fun.
14:42He's just like no salary cap burr.
14:45No, see Leroy, you wanted to it to get paid and now you're
14:48saying you wouldn't take it.
14:50That's not what I'm saying.
14:55Like I'm dealing with Neanderthals.
14:59I don't think you are.
15:00I'm just asking a question.
15:01This is this is this is the absolute dumbest argument for me to say.
15:08So you think I don't want, I don't want to a plane in AFC North.
15:12Yeah, but then you were like making it out like everybody's Josh
15:15Allen that division and they're not like like they're not but like
15:20you probably have some of the you probably you probably don't have
15:23I would say you probably some of the least physically imposing
15:25quarterbacks in that division outside of Lamar Jackson speed.
15:30The least imposing.
15:31What do you mean?
15:31I'm saying from a physical standpoint, you made it out to seem
15:34like everybody's Josh Allen in the NFC in the AFC North and they're
15:36not no, we're going to go to a plane in the AFC North.
15:40And they're not no, we're going to go go.
15:42Okay, go Lamar Jackson's.
15:46Okay, he's got his speed and and what have you but the style of
15:50football that they play with running the football and being physical
15:54up front, right?
15:56It allows him to be successful doing those things, right?
16:00Then you go with Joe Burrow.
16:02What is he 63?
16:04Is he 63?
16:05I don't think he's that big.
16:07He's not small.
16:08He's not small.
16:10I said most prototypical.
16:11Look at all the quarterbacks.
16:13He's got 64.
16:15They have check that.
16:17Check that again.
16:19Scott a boo.
16:20So then you look at then you look at, you know, all the quarterbacks
16:24that Cleveland is played.
16:27Right?
16:28Yes, but your last but your last one before before Deshaun Watson
16:33was a garden gnome.
16:34He didn't play that way though.
16:37Like if it here, if you say tour and Baker are the same size, that's
16:43fine.
16:44But guess what?
16:45They play a different style of kids.
16:47Why?
16:47Because bigger is more of a gunslinger.
16:49No, just the physicality in which he plays is different than
16:53tours to it.
16:54Can't be that physical.
16:55I don't think people look at bigger and say he plays very physically
16:57though.
16:58He scrambles.
16:59He plays hard.
17:00Yes.
17:01All right.
17:03I didn't see a sweet clip of him laying a block like two weeks ago
17:06and I'm like my quarterback.
17:08So you you you have you there's different styles of play that you
17:15can like there's nobody that ever thought when when Baker had left
17:20Cleveland that he couldn't take a beaten because he got beat up the
17:23last year and a half there.
17:26Right and he still was able to for the most part play.
17:30No, that's what he played with.
17:33He wasn't able to play.
17:34That's kind of why you guys kicked him out of town.
17:36He well because he had shoulder shoulder injury, but yeah, like
17:43look at like you can say what you want about, you know, Russell
17:47Wilson being smaller, but he's been playing in that weather his
17:55whole career.
17:56So, yeah, there is a certain type of quarterback that's needed to
18:04play there in November and December in January.
18:07And if you have questions, all I'm saying is if you have questions
18:10about you would agree though, your standards been pretty low though.
18:13What do you mean for Cleveland quarterbacks?
18:15I mean, like nobody's going to order fast.
18:17So no, I'm not even genuinely like to it would easily be the best
18:20quarterback.
18:21They've had there.
18:22Yeah, he would he would and you don't want messed up Leroy.
18:32I'm done with this conversation.
18:33Come on little pig.
18:34That's fair.
18:35It was stupid.
18:41Take a break.
18:44Ask Jay Crawford about next week though.
18:46Well here they say so Leroy you're saying Drew Brees could never
18:48Well here they say so Leroy you're saying Drew Brees could never play
18:52in the NFC North.
18:54I'm no, I'm saying if you didn't know if he didn't have all those
18:57numbers, right?
18:59So say when he was coming from the Chargers.
19:04And he had an opportunity to go to all these different places, right?
19:08The NFC North wouldn't have been one of them.
19:11Would you take her?
19:12Would you do Kirk Cousins on a flyer next year?
19:14I would not have to see what I just saw.
19:18Dude.
19:18I don't think you realize how to what a position you're in right
19:21now.
19:21I do know.
19:22I do know but I do also understand this right Aaron Rogers.
19:29I would rather be Roy.
19:32I would rather take a young quarterback and do something that
19:36I'm fully against and that's just throwing him in the fire right
19:38away.
19:39If he's not ready hear me out then then then get one of these
19:43quarterbacks that are either hurt or old as hell.
19:50What about a bought-out Aaron Rogers?
19:52Nope.
19:52Come on.
19:57You don't the cheapskies you want to take him on the cheapskies
19:59next year.
19:59What do you think the cheapskies for Aaron Rogers?
20:02I don't know.
20:02What do you think you would get if he got bought out 2.35 million?
20:06No.
20:07He ain't going to for not less than 30, but he's already paid
20:10by the Jets.
20:12Yeah, that's what that's what happened with with Russ Russ went
20:17to the what did Russ get this year because he had a contract
20:20though, but that's what I'm saying.
20:22I'm saying if the Jets buy out Aaron Rogers and he's also using
20:25an anomaly because they ate more money than has ever been eaten
20:29by player in NFL history.
20:31Dude, the guy who's running the Jets has his kids running the
20:35team like he's going to buy out Aaron Rogers.
20:37He's going to be on the cheapskies.
20:38You won't take him.
20:39No one Russell Wilson signed a one-year 1 million.
20:44Yeah, because he's getting like 40 million from Denver.
20:48Exactly.
20:49So, you know, the Aaron Rogers Aaron Rogers will be a free agent
20:53if he's he's a free agent after this year.
20:57No, I think he's still in a contract.
20:59We got to buy him out.
21:02Yeah, so he's getting paid all you got.
21:04But you won't take him on the cheapskies because you hate Aaron
21:06Rogers.
21:07That's what it is.
21:08Hey, that's what it is.
21:09It's what it's always been doing, you know, I would love to see
21:13what a team would look like if morons like you ran it.
21:18Well, I wouldn't laugh about my offensive line issues and I
21:21would get Eichenberg the hell out of here is not so well.
21:24So let me ask you a question.
21:26I do well if you're Cleveland, what would you do?
21:31I try and trade up and get Cam Ward if I'm honest.
21:35But that's what got you in this trouble in the first place.
21:38No, what got me in trouble in the first place was giving up all
21:41them first-round picks for Deshaun Watson.
21:43How much do you think I got a trade up to move up a spot?
21:47First rounder next year and maybe a second.
21:49What to move up one spot?
21:51Yes.
21:52Yes, baby.
21:54Come on, you don't you don't care because it's not you.
21:58You don't have any ramifications for making those decisions.
22:01So I'm just trying to look at all the ramifications of making
22:05ridiculous decisions like this and I look like the fool because
22:09you're just winging it.
22:10I'm not winging it.
22:11Okay.
22:12So what would you legitimately do as a football guy in that
22:15situation?
22:16I told you who I want.
22:18If I can't get Cam Ward, I'll take Travis Hunter.
22:25Not sure if I'll believe all your picks.
22:27Or or gonna prove the quarterback.
22:32Hmm.
22:34Hawaiian.
22:36Who Dylan Gabriel?
22:38Oh, I'm sorry.
22:43I wasted your time with this.