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00:00If I lose my current speed, I'll retire.
00:04It's no fun.
00:07Tadao Ando is a Japanese architect.
00:11He was born and raised in Osaka.
00:15He always surprises people with innovative ideas.
00:18He is still making his name known from Osaka to the world.
00:24100 years of his life.
00:26He lives his youth like an unripe green apple.
00:30Mr. Ando, who is in his prime,
00:32talks to the top runners of each industry.
00:35Tadao Ando's Youth Talk.
00:39Today's guest is Mr. Satoyusaka, a conductor.
00:44When I graduate from elementary school, I want to be a musician.
00:47It says I want to be a conductor.
00:50It says I want to be an architect.
00:54But I don't know what to do.
00:57Mr. Ando and his friends talk to each other.
01:00He sends an e-mail to those who live 100 years of their lives.
01:04Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:06Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:08Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:10Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:12Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:14Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:20Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:25This is the place where we talk.
01:27The Hyogo Prefectural Museum.
01:29Mr. Ando designed and designed this museum.
01:32It is the largest museum in Japan.
01:37The trademark is the symbol of youth that Mr. Ando put his heart into.
01:41A ripe green apple.
01:4530 years after the Great Hanshin-Amaji Earthquake,
01:48Mr. Ando has been active all over the world.
01:52He has worked as an art director at the Hyogo Prefectural Art and Culture Center.
01:56Mr. Sato, who has brought Kansai to life with his culture,
01:59talks about the past and the future.
02:04I don't think of myself as an artist.
02:07It's just what people say.
02:09Composers and songwriters are very imaginative.
02:16I don't think of myself as an architect.
02:22I'm more of a construction director.
02:27Mr. Sato, who has brought Kansai to life with his culture,
02:29talks about the past and the future.
02:31When I was told that I wanted to build a music hall in Nishinomiya,
02:36I thought it would be a good idea.
02:41But I think Mr. Sato was misled.
02:48When I was just 40 years old,
02:51my grandfather came to visit me.
02:55As a solo musician,
02:58I wanted to rebuild the town.
03:03I asked Mr. Sato if he could do it.
03:06He said he wanted me to help rebuild the town.
03:09I thought it was ridiculous.
03:12It was still raw.
03:14There were a lot of slabs around the game center.
03:18I thought it would be interesting to show people's imagination.
03:25When it's done, I think,
03:27That hall is good.
03:30It's like listening to music here.
03:32It's like being in an instrument. It feels good.
03:35I think that hall played a big role in my 20s.
03:41I want to be a musician when I graduate from elementary school.
03:45I want to be a conductor of Berlin Philharmonic.
03:55I really want to be a conductor.
03:58But there are no conductors around.
04:01My mother is a musician.
04:03I don't have any friends or teachers.
04:06I don't know how to be a conductor.
04:08I don't know anyone who specializes in music.
04:13Most adults say,
04:15Stop it.
04:17You can't be a conductor. Stop it.
04:20In the end, I studied alone.
04:24When I met my teacher,
04:27I knew him as the world's Ando Tadao.
04:31I've never heard his voice when I was young.
04:35I grew up in downtown Osaka.
04:37There was no music.
04:39No art.
04:40No literature.
04:42That's how I grew up.
04:44Ando-san's children said,
04:46It's interesting to be a carpenter.
04:48I want to be an architect.
04:50I was told that I was a little crazy.
04:55But I studied carpentry.
04:57I worked all day.
04:59I worked all day.
05:02I thought it was interesting.
05:05I thought it was a good job as an architect.
05:11I was a little crazy.
05:24Maybe people say,
05:26It's a job.
05:28It's a job.
05:30Maybe people say that.
05:32I think it's a job.
05:35I was doing classical music as a child.
05:39I was told,
05:41Are you a man?
05:43When I was playing the piano,
05:45I was told,
05:47Are you playing the piano?
05:49At that time,
05:51Bernstein was such a cool classical music director.
05:55I was very happy.
05:57When I was 26 years old,
05:59I went to the Tanglewood Music Festival held by Mr. Ozawa.
06:04I joined the class of Shiki.
06:07I met another teacher named Bernstein.
06:11My life changed dramatically.
06:14I went to Europe.
06:16I won the competition a year later.
06:18I started working.
06:20When you were young,
06:22Did you go abroad to study abroad?
06:25I went to Europe for the first time in 1965.
06:29I went to Siberia.
06:32At that time,
06:34I came all the way here.
06:36I was in a slum.
06:38I had never seen such a life.
06:41I was in a slum.
06:43I was in a slum.
06:45I was in a slum.
06:47I was in a slum.
06:49I was in a slum.
06:51I was in a slum.
06:53I was in a slum.
06:55I was a teacher.
06:57There are people like teachers.
07:00In 1964,
07:03A man named Kenzo Tange built a gymnasium.
07:06When I saw him,
07:08I was impressed by his Japanese shape,
07:11and his technique.
07:14He built the gymnasium as a team.
07:16He built the gymnasium as a team.
07:18He was not alone.
07:20He had a team, a construction site,
07:22and equipment.
07:24He had technicians.
07:26People all over the world were surprised that
07:28he could build such a place in Japan
07:30I want to do something that I don't think anyone in the world can do.
07:41In the end, conductors and orchestras are not words.
07:44If you have a long relationship with an orchestra,
07:47even if you say it in Japanese, everyone will understand it.
07:51How about you, Sensei? You've been doing a lot of international projects.
07:56When it comes to architecture, it's basically the same as a carpenter.
08:05But when it comes to architecture in Venice, Milan, or Paris,
08:11we have a different sense of history.
08:16When it comes to architecture, not everyone can be a team.
08:21You have to be able to communicate with each other.
08:26We actually communicate by e-mail, but we don't know the most important 30%.
08:33Now, everything is done online.
08:38I don't think it's that simple, but it's completely different.
08:43I think language is a difficult barrier.
08:46Every time I get on a plane from Japan, it's annoying, but it's fun to go abroad.
08:52I can see the world that I couldn't see.
08:56I thought I was on the same path as Mozart.
08:59I thought I was eating Beethoven here.
09:03I think it's special to play with Beethoven and Mozart there.
09:09I think there are things that I can't experience.
09:17When I look at Mr. Sao's work,
09:22I think there are about 10,000 pieces.
09:47I think it's fun to attract 10,000 people.
09:53I want to be a conductor for the people who have a lot of intelligence.
10:01I want to be a conductor.
10:04I want to be a conductor at that moment.
10:07I want to unite people's hearts at the same time.
10:11When I see 10,000 people, I think it's hard.
10:16I want Mr. Sao to live as much as his energy.
10:22I want him to be a leader who leaves a human heart,
10:26who represents the world rather than Japan.
10:33I'm in Japan, I'm in Berlin, I'm in Berlin, I'm in Vienna.
10:38If ordinary people can live up to 100 years old,
10:42I think they can live up to 300 years old.
10:45I think it's really nice to see Mr. Sao working in his youth.
10:52It's been a long time since I took a shower with Mr. Ando's energy.
11:00There are places in Osaka that look a little cheap.
11:04Next week's guest is Mr. Toru Hashimoto.
11:06How much is a cup of coffee for 10,000 yen?
11:08A cup of coffee for 10,000 yen?
11:10It's the first time in my life.
11:13The Ando Tadao store will be held this spring.
11:17It's an exhibition where you can see the vision for the future
11:20from the miracle of challenge from Osaka to the world.
11:24Tickets are on sale today.