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00:00This is a special edition of Shinshu Special, broadcasted on January 3rd.
00:06First up is...
00:08Matsuko's Unknown.
00:10A world of cover songs and singing.
00:13The presenters are...
00:17It's been a while, Matsuko-san.
00:19It's been a while.
00:21It's been a while.
00:23It's a shame to ask you if you're doing well.
00:26I'm doing well.
00:28Our special guest, Yoko Toginome, will tell us an episode with Yosui Inoue.
00:33I started writing a couple song on the spot,
00:36while I was having a meeting with the director.
00:39And then, later that day, I got a call
00:43that she was going to sing.
00:45And that was...
00:59Most of the time
01:02Most of the time
01:05Like a fire
01:08Most of the time
01:09It's a cover song sung by another artist.
01:13But there's actually another form to it.
01:18And that is...
01:20Unforgettable
01:25Raincoat
01:30At the station at twilight
01:35My heart trembled
01:39That's right, we're
01:41One in the world
01:44Self-covered songs by famous artists
01:47can bring out the different charms of the songs.
01:53This time, we'll compare self-covered songs
01:57with hit songs from the 80s.
02:08In the 80s, there were covers of Western music and European music.
02:12But there was another new trend in the 80s.
02:17Here it is.
02:20Self-covered songs by famous artists in the 80s.
02:25The artists who were at the forefront at the time
02:29were the ones who provided the songs.
02:31Like Yumi and Maria.
02:33That's right.
02:35There was a song out there.
02:37That's right.
02:38The artists who were at the forefront at the time
02:41were the ones who provided the songs.
02:44This time, they sang the songs they provided.
02:48I think it's interesting to hear the difference
02:51between self-covered songs and covers.
02:56Yumi's songs change the atmosphere.
02:59Ryosui's songs change the atmosphere
03:02even though they were provided by female artists.
03:06Ryosui's songs are more feminine than female songs.
03:10That's interesting.
03:12That's right.
03:15Please take a look at this.
03:18Here's a summary.
03:20This is a typical example.
03:22You can see the artistry of the singers and songwriters
03:26who represented the Japanese pop scene at the time.
03:29That's right.
03:30This is interesting.
03:32Matsuko, is there anything you're curious about?
03:36Haru Nanoni's jacket.
03:38That's right.
03:40It was a sailor uniform.
03:43It's amazing.
03:44Yoshie, who is so elegant,
03:46is like...
03:49What are you talking about?
03:51But it's wonderful.
03:53It's good to be the first one.
03:55That's right.
03:58This butterfly.
03:59Haru Nanoni is wonderful.
04:02This is Miyuki Nakajima.
04:04This is Matsuko's show.
04:06That's right.
04:08My show is just editing a picture.
04:12I'm sorry.
04:14I'm okay.
04:15Ado, are you okay?
04:16Are you okay?
04:17It's amazing.
04:19I'm sorry.
04:20Did you hate me today?
04:25The lyrics of Stop Fighting were novel.
04:28That's amazing.
04:30It's amazing.
04:31It's a song where two people fight and stop fighting.
04:37That's right.
04:38That's the lyrics.
04:39When Kawai-san sings,
04:41I didn't know at first,
04:43but she said a lot of things.
04:46That's right.
04:48She doesn't feel bad at all.
04:50She doesn't feel bad at all.
04:51Takeuchi Maria is scary.
04:54I didn't know when I was a kid.
04:56I didn't know.
04:57I was surprised when I became an adult.
04:59Kazuya Tachibana.
05:01Oda Kyoichi wrote a lot of songs.
05:04That's right.
05:05There are a lot of songs written by Matsukawa Aiko.
05:08She is not an idol,
05:10but she wrote a song called Winter Riviera.
05:12That's right.
05:13She wrote it with a passionate heart.
05:14That's right.
05:15I really liked it.
05:16It's a song written by a person.
05:18That's right.
05:19It's a song with a big melody.
05:21It's a song with a big melody.
05:26The gallery is also good.
05:28Yosui-san.
05:29The gallery is a very fashionable song when Yosui-san writes it.
05:35That's right.
05:37It's a little different from tears that aren't an accessory.
05:40It's fashionable.
05:41That's why it's my dream.
05:44It's wonderful.
05:49It's fashionable.
05:50It's fashionable.
05:51At that time, short hair was so good that it was like a hair salon.
05:55That's right.
05:56That's right.
06:04Hair is difficult.
06:07It's Yosui-san's version.
06:16It's difficult.
06:22Doraemon.
06:34It's difficult.
06:35It's difficult, isn't it?
06:36It's difficult.
06:37It's difficult.
06:38It's very difficult to put emotions into the song.
06:39Yosui-san sings.
06:40It's difficult to sing normally.
06:41It's tricky.
06:42Matsuko-san, there are people who cannot imitate.
06:43It sounds half-assed.
06:44The only thing I can imitate is Doraemon.
06:45It's impossible to imitate.
06:46I can only imitate Doraemon.
06:47It's impossible to imitate.
06:48He can't imitate Doraemon.
06:49I can only imitate Doraemon.
06:50Doraemon is the only one who has a good sense of humor.
06:54That's the only one who has a good sense of humor.
06:57Looking back, what are your memories with Yosui-san?
07:01Yosui-san wasn't there when we were recording in the gallery.
07:05It was just the director and the staff.
07:08But when we were recording the couple song, he was in the studio.
07:12He was also in charge of the camera.
07:17He took a picture of me.
07:20I didn't get a picture though.
07:23It was a strange atmosphere.
07:27Did he tell you how to sing?
07:31He didn't tell me anything.
07:34But we started making the couple song on the spot.
07:38We had a meeting with the director.
07:42It was a beautiful melody.
07:45The next day, Yosui-san contacted me.
07:49He told me that he was going to sing the song.
07:53That was when we were young.
07:57That's when we made the couple song.
08:00I think it's a shame to make it a couple song.
08:04I totally agree with him.
08:09It was the moment when a great song was born.
08:13It was a precious moment.
08:15If it was a couple song in the gallery, it would have been a great single.
08:24Ado-san, do you know any songs in this album?
08:28Yes, I do.
08:30I like Akira-san.
08:34I like the song, The Myth of One-Half.
08:38I knew him even though we didn't fight.
08:42The song, The Myth of One-Half.
08:44I like Osawa-san.
08:46I wrote the song for him.
08:50I can keep singing it no matter how old I get.
08:54Akira-san's first song, The Yankie, was a song for a girl's movie.
09:02But if you listen to it later, it's totally different.
09:07It's a great song.
09:09I'm sorry to say this, but it's a song for a girl's movie.
09:13It's a great song for a girl's movie.
09:15It's a great song for a girl's movie.
09:18The singer of this time is Yoruhiko.
09:24Yoruhiko has a lot of energy.
09:26Is she different?
09:28Yes, she is.
09:29Her costume and singing are different.
09:33I was nervous because I was in the top 10.
09:44This is Osawa-san's version.
09:46It's very rock.
09:48It's cool.
09:52This is Karachi.
09:59It's really cool.
10:04It's amazing that she's wearing a mask.
10:06It's amazing that she's wearing a mask.
10:08It's really cool.
10:10Akira-san is an indescribable presence.
10:16I have three daughters.
10:19The youngest is 18 years old.
10:22I'm a big fan of Akira-san.
10:25I'm sure he's obsessed with various charms.
10:32I don't think he can come out.
10:37I think he's obsessed with various charms.
10:41That's what Ado-san has in common.
10:44That's what Ado-san has in common.
10:47I felt it.
10:49I felt it.
10:50I felt Akira-san.
10:52I don't think there are many female artists who can say Akira-san.
10:59I think it's Momoe-san.
11:01I think it's Momoe-san.
11:05The third person.
11:09The third person is like this.
11:13That's what you do.
11:18That's what I felt when Ado-san was on stage.
11:21That's what I felt when Ado-san was on stage.
11:22It's a rare thing.
11:24It's a rare thing.
11:26In addition, Yofu Oginome talks about the back side of the music industry in the 80s when Japan was in a bubble.
11:36Looking back now, I think Matsuko-san really knew a lot about the Showa era.
11:44There were a lot of staff involved, and a lot of people were involved.
11:51I was under a lot of pressure, good or bad.
11:58There were a lot of people around you who didn't know who you were.
12:01What did you do for a living?
12:04The bigger the job, the more people I didn't know.
12:08I don't know who you are, but for the time being, I did my best.
12:12There were a lot of mysterious people.
12:15But it wasn't just me.
12:18All the singers around me were like that.
12:22It was a thrill that I couldn't taste anywhere else.
12:31Oginome-chan seemed to be very flamboyant.
12:36Did you feel like you were inferior to the singers of the same age as you?
12:45The president of the agency told me all the time.
12:49All the people around me came from the countryside and came to Tokyo.
12:54They were all people who worked hard away from their parents.
12:58He told me to have a more hungry spirit.
13:02You don't look like a young man at all.
13:06In the old days, there were a lot of big people.
13:14In order to overcome various difficulties, you have to succeed as a singer.
13:22I think so.
13:24There are a lot of people in our generation who have a hard time.
13:29However, as time went by, there were people who won in the audition program.
13:35I'm glad I didn't sell right away.
13:41I don't know what I'm missing.
13:45I don't know until I taste it.
13:47I think it was rare for adults at that time to have that feeling when they met Oginome-chan.
13:57I think it's amazing that you decided to make Oginome-chan a dancing hero.
14:05The president of the agency, Mr. Tyler, is amazing.
14:09In particular, the EP of ANGIE WORLD is not a big hit.
14:16Since then, Oginome-chan has been covered without any gap.
14:19Why did you decide to make Oginome-chan a dancing hero?
14:23I heard a little about it.
14:27The label director had a cassette tape in his drawer.
14:33He said, what should I do with the next song?
14:36It's a great song, so it's a shame that other people will sing it and it will be a hit, so let Oginome sing it.
14:44Oginome-chan is a little fast.
14:48It's amazing.
14:49Oginome-chan has the reputation of a war dog.
15:01Let's go back to history.
15:03It changed like this after Heisei.
15:06A cover album hit by a popular singer.
15:10It's a time to sing the famous songs of Japan.
15:13Let's take a look at this.
15:16Representative cover album of Heisei.
15:21The feature of Mr. Tobunaga, who started in 2005, is that men cover women's songs.
15:27Mr. Tobunaga's cover song.
15:43It sold 6 million copies.
15:47It's amazing.
15:49It sold 6 million copies.
15:516 million copies?
15:53I was surprised.
15:55It's shocking for a woman living in the modern era.
15:57That's right.
16:03Miyamoto-san, too.
16:05That's right.
16:06It was good.
16:07No matter what song you sing, it will be Miyamoto Hiroshi.
16:10This is amazing.
16:12It was amazing.
16:14It was wonderful.
16:26Mr. Tobunaga was attracted to Mr. Hiyaki.
16:31Mr. Hiyaki.
16:33He was definitely Miyamoto-san.
16:37That's right.
16:55Miyamoto-san.
17:06Do you know any songs?
17:09Yes.
17:10I know the song, Desire.
17:12I know the song while listening to Mr. Tobunaga's song.
17:16I may have heard Miyamoto-san's song, Momen no Hankachi.
17:21Miyamoto-san, too.
17:23Even if you sing a lot of songs, you will be attracted to Mr. Hiyaki.
17:28I think it's an interesting part of the cover song.
17:33Momoiro Toiki, too.
17:35Takahashi Mariko.
17:37I want you to listen to Takahashi Mariko's song.
17:40After listening to Takahashi Mariko's song.
17:43I want you to listen to it.
17:45The lyrics of this song and Kan Chinfa are very beautiful.
17:53Miyamori, too.
17:55That's right.
17:57It's a unique language.
17:59It's a language that symbolizes that era.
18:16Recently, there have been more and more artists singing on their YouTube channel.
18:26This is Ado-chan's song, Usseewa.
18:29Yes.
18:30Many artists are singing.
18:33Wait a minute.
18:34I'm worried about Billy Bang Bang and Shigawara-san.
18:37Are you worried?
18:39Are you worried?
18:41How is it sung?
18:43This song was very popular at that time.
18:45Is that so?
18:46That's right.
18:55That's great.
18:56That's great, isn't it?
18:57That's great.
18:58It's like a commercial for Ichiko.
19:05I want to hear it.
19:07It's good.
19:08There was a big incident with a medalist.
19:11That's great.
19:16Billy Bang Bang and Shigawara-san sang Usseewa.
19:32That's great.
19:35It's like a commercial for curry.
19:42That's great.
19:52That's great.
19:53That's great.
19:54That's great.
20:12Useewa Useewa Useewa
20:16That's great.
20:18I agree.
20:20That's great.
20:21It's like a commercial for Ichiko.
20:26There were many mysterious white people.
20:33I'm very worried about them.
20:37That's great.
20:39I'm going to include a scene where they're taking a walk in a comical way.
20:44I don't think that's a good idea.
20:57This is the last one.
20:59This is the last flip.
21:01I asked 500 people in the city.
21:03I want you to put it on the ad.
21:05500 people?
21:06That's amazing.
21:08That's amazing.
21:10When Ado-chan gets involved, you guys are completely different.
21:15When it's just me and you as a guest, I don't think I've ever asked 500 people.
21:21I asked 500 people.
21:23What is a Japanese song that you want to be covered by Ado?
21:27I want to hear First Love by Utanashikaru.
21:31First Love?
21:33I think it's a powerful voice.
21:37I'd like to hear a ballad that's a little more moist.
21:41I'd like to hear a song by Mrs. Green Apple.
21:45I don't think the original song is very empty.
21:48I'd like to hear a powerful voice of Mr. Ado.
21:52I sang it when I was in high school.
21:54I sang it.
21:55I think it's a rhino beetle.
21:57I'd like to hear a talk.
21:59I think it's a rhino beetle.
22:01I'm curious about what would happen if I sang Ado.
22:05I think it's better to have a rhino beetle.
22:07I think it's good.
22:09Among the various opinions, what was the most popular genre?
22:14Old songs?
22:16I wonder what it would be like if the current person stood up.
22:18It's a great vitamin color.
22:21Hirota Mie.
22:22Oh, look!
22:24After all, Mr. Hirota.
22:28I asked 500 people.
22:30What is a Japanese song that you want to be covered by Ado?
22:33I really like this.
22:35If you sing Mr. Saine Ishikawa's song,
22:39If you try to sing it,
22:41I think it's different.
22:43I'd like to be covered with this song.
22:45I want to sing him.
22:48I'd like to go to him.
22:49I'd like to go to Mr. Saine Ishikawa and sing him this song.
22:51I really want to.
22:53I think it's a good song.
22:55I want to be covered by Mr. Saine Ishikawa.
22:58I'm very proud of you.
23:00In a sense,
23:02I think it's a different kind of love.
23:06Nera Uchi.
23:07Nera Uchi.
23:08I've heard of it.
23:09It's a great song.
23:10But it's a bit too much.
23:12So I'd like to ask the opposite.
23:14What do you think about Showa songs?
23:18I'm looking forward to it.
23:19I'm a big fan of Hatsune Miku.
23:21I like Akai Sweet Pea.
23:24This is my love activity.
23:27I spent my youth with that song.
23:31I like Yu-Gi-Oh!
23:33Showa songs were the most popular in the world.
23:37I like this song.
23:39It's a great song.
23:41It's a great song.
23:43What else?
23:45I'd like you to sing a song by King Lou.
23:50I'd like to hear the voice of a man.
23:54I'd like to hear the voice of a guard.
23:58In J-Japan, Kurenai.
24:01Hado has a lot of power.
24:04I'd like to listen to it.
24:07Until the end of the world of dance...
24:10The metal-type...
24:12I'd like to listen to it slowly.
24:16I like the shout.
24:18It's a new genre.
24:19It's a man's song.
24:22He also said that he wanted to listen to male vocalists' songs.
24:27That's interesting.
24:29So, we asked 500 people.
24:32Ado-chan, how did you feel after watching the VTR?
24:35It's really interesting.
24:37There are so many different types.
24:39There's a 20-year-old man,
24:41and I thought,
24:42he's definitely a beetle.
24:45I was like,
24:46is that so?
24:48I want Aiko-chan to go there.
24:57I love Aiko-chan.
25:00If I could go to all the Showa era,
25:04I would go there.
25:07I think I can go to all the Showa era, Ado-chan.
25:10It's really interesting.
25:13It's interesting.
25:14It goes well with Odo and Showa.
25:18That's true.
25:19It's a passionate and battlefield performance.
25:23There's a VTR of Miyako Hirota's doll house.
25:27Let's watch it.
25:29The hit song of 1969,
25:32Doll House.
25:44It's beautiful.
25:53It's beautiful.
26:11There's no other song that Ado-chan doesn't know.
26:14It would be nice if Ado-chan could watch it.
26:16Personally, I like Yume wa Yoru Hiraku.
26:20Keiko Fujii.
26:21I haven't heard it yet.
26:2215, 16, 17, and
26:24My life was dark.
26:26Old songs are amazing.
26:28Really?
26:29Keiko's Yume wa Yoru Hiraku.
26:31It's out.
26:34It's amazing.
26:37Red flowers bloom.
26:43White flowers bloom.
26:50What should I do?
26:58Yume wa Yoru Hiraku
27:07It's amazing.
27:09Is there a song that you want to sing?
27:15Playback Part 2 is also good.
27:18I think this song is my favorite.
27:21I sing this song at home.
27:23I sing this song at home.
27:27I'm not good at singing.
27:28I agree.
27:30Akiyoko.
27:32That's right.
27:33She sings well.
27:35Akiyoko has a unique image of a woman.
27:38That's right.
27:39I ranked her as an artist.
27:43The first place was Akina Nakamori.
27:45It's amazing that there are so many people.
27:49As Oginome-chan said,
27:53Momoe-chan and Akina-chan may be Ado-chan now.
27:59I want you to say that.
28:00I want the world to say to Ado-chan,
28:02Don't be stupid.
28:04Don't be stupid.
28:05I want you to say that.
28:06That's right.
28:08That's why I said it.
28:10I wanted you to say that.
28:14It's a delusion of two old men.
28:17Ado-chan.
28:18Don't make me angry.
28:21I won't.