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00:00Who's the Thief?
00:06Goodbye!
00:07Who's the Thief?
00:10In this episode, we're going to dig deeper into the books that have changed the world.
00:17This time, we're at Starbucks in Kawasaki City, Kanagawa Prefecture.
00:21It's stylish.
00:22This is a rare bookstore that specializes in old books.
00:26New books usually cost more than 1,000 yen per book.
00:30Old books are sold at half price.
00:35So we thought we could buy them at a low price.
00:38I think there are a lot of books from overseas.
00:41I asked the owner if he had any old books that he recommended.
00:46He said no.
00:47I haven't read them since I read Grit.
00:50They might be old.
00:52Morita likes vintage books.
00:55He didn't say what he recommended, but he recommended an old book from the 1980s.
00:59He didn't say what he recommended.
01:01He only recommended the age of the book.
01:03As a decoration.
01:06He said, if it's an old book, I don't care.
01:08He only recommended the age of the book.
01:11Bukuro-san said, I'm sorry, but I don't know if you're interested.
01:16You can read another one.
01:18He doesn't have a lot of books.
01:21This is today's book.
01:23It's a talk class.
01:26He's a great teacher.
01:28I'm nervous.
01:29Of course.
01:30He's the one who's in charge of the radio show.
01:34I don't intend to be in charge of the radio show.
01:37I said it in a cool way.
01:39He might be tested today.
01:42We're a little scared of this.
01:45It's a talk class.
01:48Talk class
01:50Hello, I'm Seido Fujin.
01:52Nice to meet you.
01:55Are you a broadcaster?
01:58Are you a radio writer?
01:59I did TV.
02:01I see.
02:02If I had to choose between the two, I would choose the latter.
02:09I see.
02:10So you're not just a radio writer.
02:12You don't hate the TV industry, do you?
02:15I don't hate it, but it doesn't suit me.
02:18I see.
02:19What do you mean?
02:21There are too many people.
02:23There are too many staff.
02:24There are too few people in the radio booth.
02:27It's hard to get four or five people into the booth.
02:30It's hard to get four or five people into the booth.
02:32There are many sections on TV.
02:34It's hard to get up to 20 people into the booth.
02:37So you don't like the radio show.
02:39I don't like being in the booth.
02:41I see.
02:42I'm dancing now, but I'm not in the booth.
02:45I see.
02:47Did you ask the staff before the show?
02:52I asked them what they were going to talk about.
02:54Did you ask them?
02:55Yes.
02:56What?
02:57I'm not a writer.
02:59I'm not a writer.
03:01I asked them what they were going to talk about.
03:04I asked them what they were going to talk about.
03:09They said, Good luck.
03:11They said, Good luck.
03:12They didn't ask me about the show.
03:13They didn't ask you about the show.
03:14Did they?
03:15No.
03:16Did they ask you what you were going to talk about?
03:18I asked them to act as they wanted.
03:20I see.
03:21I'm not a staff.
03:23Did you have such a staff before the show?
03:27I don't think so.
03:28I don't think so.
03:29I don't think so.
03:30I think there are some people who don't like the show.
03:33I think there are some people who don't like the show.
03:34That's why I'm not involved in the show.
03:38I see.
03:39It's easier for you to talk to people who are not involved.
03:45You're still working on the show.
03:48Are you still going on?
03:50I talk to the staff before the show.
03:52I talk to the staff before the show.
03:55I tell them which sources are good.
03:58I tell them which sources are good.
04:00I tell them which sources are good.
04:02I talk to them.
04:04I don't like it when people who talk to me are next to me.
04:06Well, yeah, it was the second time.
04:08But I didn't go in.
04:10I was somewhere in the sub-unit.
04:12I see. So it was easier to talk.
04:14Yes, yes, yes.
04:16As an entertainer, you had to learn the structure of the story.
04:19So I was the first listener.
04:20Yes, yes, yes.
04:21I didn't know where the water was.
04:23I didn't know where I was going.
04:25As the first listener, I didn't like it.
04:28Because you were nervous.
04:29Yes, I was like, don't talk in an inhumane way.
04:33But I've been doing it since before Audrey sold out.
04:36I see. You're already used to it.
04:38I can't do it with someone who's already sold out.
04:40What do you mean by doing the Tokyo Dome?
04:47When I heard you were doing it at the Tokyo Dome,
04:49I was wondering if it was going to be filled.
04:51As a result, everyone said it was going to be filled.
04:56No, I don't think so.
05:00Did you have a lot of calories and nervousness in your life?
05:08But I had a lot of staff.
05:10So it wasn't a big deal to be the first writer.
05:13There was a video team and a team.
05:15There were a lot of people.
05:16You're good at running away from responsibility.
05:20I'm not responsible.
05:24That's good.
05:25I think it's very comfortable to run away from being the first writer.
05:31Did you actually go to the Tokyo Dome?
05:33Yes, I did.
05:35Because you ran away.
05:37If I had done it as it was, I don't know, but I would have published a book and been on TV.
05:44This is true.
05:46I talked to Mr. Wakabayashi on YouTube about how to liven up the Dome.
05:52He told me to publish a book about the Tokyo Dome.
05:56For example, there should be a boy who wants to be accepted at the Tokyo Dome.
05:59There should be a boy who wants to be good at self-introduction.
06:04I posted it on YouTube.
06:06The person who watched this video said,
06:09Then I'll publish it at home.
06:12That's why I ran away from responsibility.
06:17It's not my fault if I don't sell it.
06:20Don't blame someone else.
06:22That's a good way of saying it.
06:24The reason why I ran away from responsibility.
06:27Before M-1, I made a program to talk to unpopular entertainers on the radio.
06:35The talk on the theater and the talk on TV and radio are different.
06:40People who aren't popular don't know this.
06:43They only know the theater.
06:47There are people who aren't popular.
06:50I'll tell you.
06:52I made an offer to various agencies.
06:55I asked them to gather unpopular entertainers in their 30s.
07:00M-1 is a bad hobby program.
07:04Among them, there was Mr. Wakabayashi.
07:06Unpopular Odori.
07:08Unpopular Nights.
07:11Unpopular Ito Asako.
07:16I made a program like that.
07:18I thought Mr. Wakabayashi was a good talker.
07:20You've been good since then.
07:23The program was over.
07:25The next year, M-1 was released.
07:30I immediately contacted Nippon Host.
07:33I said, why don't you do an all-nighter with Odori?
07:38You have a reason.
07:40M-1.
07:41When you appeared on TV, you played the character of Tooth.
07:45Do you play the character of Tooth now?
07:48No, I don't.
07:49Was there a line?
07:51At first, I didn't play Tooth.
07:54I don't need it anymore.
07:56You don't need it.
08:00I think people who are called character entertainers are not good at talking.
08:04I think so.
08:06I think that's what the audience is looking for.
08:11On TV, you can see the future of being used as a character entertainer and being thrown away in a year.
08:20That's not good.
08:22I know I can talk.
08:24There is a risk of being bored before Mr. Wakabayashi is found.
08:29You may not be able to go around in Kasuga.
08:33It's not good to end it a year ago.
08:36If you do an all-nighter with Nippon, people will think you can talk.
08:41I didn't know that.
08:43But Mr. Wakabayashi talks for 30 to 40 minutes.
08:47It's different from talking leisurely.
08:50It's different.
08:51Is there anything to be careful about?
08:55When I talk about something, I want to talk about this.
08:59I don't know the point of the story.
09:05I don't know the point of the story.
09:10It's amazing to be able to shape it according to that.
09:15Then it's a very organized story.
09:19It's interesting for two people to talk leisurely.
09:23It's like the beginning of a manzai.
09:28You can make money.
09:30I think manzai will be completed like this.
09:33That's interesting.
09:35I don't care about that.
09:37Have you ever been scolded?
09:39No, never.
09:42I see.
09:45You can't see the radio.
09:49It's easy to say that you can't see it.
09:55It's about how to say it in words.
09:59You can't convey it.
10:01It's the fastest to show it.
10:03You have to do your best to convey what you can't convey.
10:07You have to do your best to convey what you can't convey.
10:09You have to do your best to convey what you can't convey.
10:13I think it's like that.
10:16If you don't have that, you can't listen to it.
10:19Talking on TV and talking on the radio are completely different.
10:25I didn't listen to the radio much.
10:29I don't feel discriminated against.
10:33I feel like I can talk on TV.
10:40We don't talk much.
10:42It's a planned radio.
10:44The length is different.
10:46You can't get a minute on TV.
10:48It's about 30 seconds.
10:50I can't talk like this.
10:53I can only cut out a part of it.
10:57It's not interesting on the radio.
11:02It's interesting to say it directly.
11:05You don't think you can hold it on TV.
11:09You can't say it directly.
11:11I'm sorry to say this.
11:13You can only show this person while you're talking.
11:17Even though the picture doesn't change.
11:19I don't think I have the confidence to keep showing one person for a minute.
11:24That's why I can't talk on TV.
11:27I don't have the courage to show one person for 15 minutes.
11:31There is no TV man who has the courage.
11:34Who will buy this book?
11:37Tickets are on sale.
11:40Please take a look.
11:50Seiko Matsuda
11:52Who was the first person you thought was amazing?
11:57Seiko Matsuda.
11:59I've known her since right after her debut.
12:02She has a great radio personality.
12:06I don't think everyone has that image now.
12:09She has a little bit of a dark eye.
12:11She's cute.
12:14She has a good sense of radio talk.
12:17For example, if there is a quiz.
12:21Shibuya, Shinjuku, Higashibukuro.
12:25There is an option.
12:27She answers Shibuya.
12:31I think that's normal.
12:33Seiko said Shibuya.
12:35Shibuya is like Shibuya.
12:38I think this is Shibuya.
12:42But there is no such problem.
12:45I think this is Shinjuku.
12:48But Higashibukuro?
12:51But I think Shibuya is like that.
12:53She answers properly.
12:55She answers properly and says this.
12:59Then you can react even if you get it right.
13:02You can react even if you get it wrong.
13:04It's hard to do this.
13:06She seems to be having the most fun talking so far.
13:10Seiko, if you were an idol,
13:13did you ever feel like you couldn't do anything?
13:16Yes, I did.
13:18Do you have anything to do as a member of Fujii Seido?
13:21I have a job.
13:24It's a corner to give up.
13:25It's a corner to give up.
13:27Even if I can't do something that I'm not good at,
13:30I can't help it.
13:32I can't help it.
13:35Mr. Wakabayashi is the same.
13:37Mr. Iijin is also a long time.
13:39I'm sure you'll be able to find interesting stories.
13:47You have to talk every week.
13:49I have to find it all the time.
13:51I have to find it all the time.
13:53It's not about going somewhere and doing something.
13:57You can find it in your daily life.
14:00At first, the antenna doesn't work.
14:03But if you do it every week,
14:06you'll be more sensitive.
14:09Then it's easier to find.
14:11That person can last longer.
14:13But you don't have anything to do this week.
14:15Mr. Seido, don't you ever want to do something?
14:18I think I can say that it's hard because I only have a job.
14:25I think it's okay if I do it every week.
14:29Sometimes.
14:31It's a corner to give up.
14:33If you think about it that way.
14:35It's because Mr. Seido said it.
14:37If it's not popular, Mr. Seido will say it.
14:41I can do it if I say it.
14:43Goodbye, this book.
14:46Tickets are on sale.
14:49Everyone, please take a look.
14:51I don't know how to deal with radio listeners.
15:07To be honest.
15:09I don't like the radio love of radio listeners.
15:15When I go on a radio show,
15:18I hear people I like.
15:23I hear a lot about the strange things.
15:27Especially now that there is a net.
15:29I don't need this guy.
15:31I don't know how to face the guests.
15:39How about now?
15:41I don't get hit by people's radio.
15:47When I was invited to All Night Nippon,
15:51I was told that I was noisy if I did it in my own way.
16:01I'm doing it because I feel like I'm being called.
16:07I was irritated by that.
16:10Are you doing a radio show?
16:12Yes, I am.
16:13Don't you have a sense of community?
16:17There are people who come out as listeners.
16:21I think I can do it to some extent.
16:24Don't you feel uncomfortable when guests come there?
16:27I don't think so.
16:29I don't think I hit the guests.
16:36I hear a lot that I'm noisy if I do it in my own way.
16:43I don't think I'm noisy.
16:45I don't think so.
16:47I hear a lot that I'm noisy if I do it in my own way.
16:51I don't like the excessive radio love.
16:56Maybe it's a matter of humanity.
17:00I'm sorry.
17:02I wish I could be more polite.
17:05I don't like going to a popular radio show.
17:10I don't like going to a popular radio show.
17:17I think there is such a thing.
17:19I think there is such a thing.
17:23I don't like the feeling of being hurt by what I listened to.
17:30It gets like this as we do it more and more.
17:32I don't like the feeling of being hurt by what I listened to.
17:36I don't like the feeling of being hurt by what I listened to.
17:38I hear that.
17:40I hear that.
17:42I hear that.
17:53I am happy.
17:55I don't like the excessive radio love.
17:57Rather than saying, I saw that on TV the other day, or I'm watching YouTube,
18:02I'm just happy to be told that I'm listening.
18:05That's what everyone says.
18:06That's how it feels.
18:08That's why people come to events.
18:11That's right.
18:13It's not like that on TV, but radio fans come to events.
18:18That's right.
18:19We do a lot of projects.
18:22We do a lot of projects.
18:25We do a lot of projects.
18:27We do a lot of projects.
18:31Why don't you do it?
18:33Two hours?
18:35I think two hours is a long time.
18:37I don't want to do it.
18:39I don't want to do it.
18:41You two can do it.
18:43What?
18:45Let's do it.
18:47Let's change the program and do it.
18:49Will you tell me the song?
18:56It's time.
18:58Lastly, what do you want to convey in this book?
19:01It's often said that it's a talk, but I don't care about it.
19:07Speak as you like.
19:10You don't have to say that.
19:14You don't have to say that.
19:19Why do you have to make a joke?
19:23Comedians are not good at making jokes.
19:28They don't make it funny.
19:33The amateur doesn't know.
19:36I was so relieved when I read this book that I felt like I had to go to the bathroom.
19:43So we're on the radio, and we're going to talk a little bit about the opening and then jingle.
19:50I don't have a single time to use this jingle.
19:56I'm sorry, but there are times like that.
20:02It's hard to get over this obi.
20:05It's Wakabayashi Obi.
20:10I'm sorry to have you on this show, but I'm a person who doesn't read books.
20:15I'd like you to read this book on podcast.
20:19I'd like to hear it in voice.
20:23I think I'm the same type as you.
20:26Even if this book doesn't sell, I don't know.
20:29That's true.
20:31Even if this book doesn't sell, I don't know.
20:36Please subscribe to our YouTube channel.
20:46Who will buy this book?
20:49Tickets are on sale.
20:51Please take a look.