Melanie Fiona, Codie Elaine Oliver, Felicia LaTour and Ashley Chea dish on parenting in a second trump presidency, balancing their work with motherhood and more.
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00:00One of the things that I learned from you all
00:01is that it's really important to like call your sisters up
00:04and like get advice, take a different opinion,
00:06and just also share and be more vulnerable.
00:09Like I know me and you probably struggle with that the most.
00:11Like I like to, I say a lot of things,
00:12but I'm actually not the most vulnerable person.
00:14You've grown a lot.
00:15I have, yeah, I feel like it,
00:17but I'm just saying like it's due to you all.
00:19You used to want to cry in the closet.
00:21I did.
00:22Last night you cried with us.
00:23I did.
00:23You used to want to cry in the closet.
00:25I still cry in the closet, girl.
00:27I forgot about that thing.
00:28You cry so much out loud.
00:29I know, but I used to cry.
00:31I used to go in the closet and cry by myself
00:33and then come out like, it's very Capricorn of you.
00:35It is, you know, she likes to be by herself,
00:37but I actually feel better and more healed
00:39and like more of a woman to be like,
00:41I'm not okay and I need your help
00:43and I can't do it on my own.
00:44And I want my daughters to learn that.
00:46I'm Cody Elaine Oliver.
00:47I am the co-founder of Black Love and Mama to Three Boys.
00:51I am Ashley Chia.
00:52I am an author and a creative
00:54and I am the mother of four daughters.
00:57I'm Felicia Latour.
00:59I am an entrepreneur and an influencer
01:00and I have two babies.
01:01I'm Melanie Fiona, a singer, songwriter, and podcast host.
01:05And I have two children and we are
01:08The Mamas Den.
01:12Boundaries for managing motherhood, marriage,
01:17creative stuff, professional stuff.
01:23Chia, I don't know.
01:25I could repeat the question all I want,
01:26but I really just don't.
01:27I think it changes every single day.
01:29It's true.
01:30And I think what's happening for me now is
01:35I think something, and then we've talked about this
01:36in motherhood, is like releasing the guilt
01:38of feeling like I have to show up
01:40in every single space all the time.
01:43So I think giving myself a boundary to say,
01:46you don't have to worry about that today.
01:47That's a tomorrow problem.
01:48Not feeling like I have to carry every load
01:51on my back, neck, and shoulders all day, every day.
01:54So I think that it's setting boundaries with myself
01:57to be really easy and just be like,
02:01the end of the world is not gonna happen.
02:03You do the best you can every day and that is enough.
02:05You know what I learned from you, Melanie?
02:07I don't know if you call it a boundary,
02:08but this is something that you do all the time.
02:09You make space for the things
02:11that you need to make space for.
02:12So when it's time for you to go to your child's
02:15karate tournament or whatever practice, you're there.
02:18When it's time for you to record, you're there.
02:20When it's time for you to record with us, you're there.
02:21I think one thing that you really are good at
02:25is making the time for the things
02:26that you need to make time for,
02:27whether it's your career or your family.
02:28And then zoning in on that thing.
02:30Like, you're like, girl, I gotta call you back.
02:31I'm walking into my son's thing.
02:32Like, you don't play.
02:33Like, you focus on what you need to focus on at the time.
02:36And I think that's something that I really admire about you.
02:37Thank you, it's hard.
02:38It's been years and years in the making.
02:40Like, I think when I first had my son and I was doing music,
02:44I didn't know how to be both sides of my brain, you know?
02:47Like, I was still thinking about
02:49who was gonna get groceries and what was for dinner.
02:51And now I've just given my space to be like,
02:53I'm not there.
02:54But who I've left them with, I trust.
02:56So they're gonna figure it out.
02:57And I don't need to use that brain cells,
02:59the capacity to exhaust myself in that way.
03:02So, you know, it has been a journey.
03:04But thank you for acknowledging that.
03:05Girl, I'm proud to be like you.
03:06Child is a journey, yeah, but you got a lot of kids.
03:08I know, but I do.
03:09The fact that you all,
03:11I think the three of you are better at that than me.
03:13You make time for your dreams.
03:14Like, I don't know how the things that you be planning.
03:17I'm like, how did you figure that out?
03:18Like, you have a whole line dropping.
03:20You'll do like a fundraiser, all this stuff.
03:22And I'm like, like in two days.
03:24You're a little insane.
03:25And we already know you, girl.
03:26I don't know, you have like 800 jobs.
03:28Do you guys ever notice?
03:29I'm sure y'all do notice.
03:30But I always feel like any time it comes to boundaries,
03:33it's never really somebody else violating my boundaries.
03:35It's me going past the line.
03:38I'm like, it could go a little farther, you know?
03:40No, that's real.
03:40Yeah, 2025, we're not in NMO.
03:43Yeah, I'm trying to be like y'all.
03:48Now that a second Trump term has begun,
03:51I feel that it's more important than ever
03:56to instill confidence in my children
03:59and their abilities and them as independent thinkers
04:02and to infuse as much joy as possible into our lives.
04:06Yeah, I would say I agree, especially having a teenager.
04:09I've really been trying to teach her
04:11the importance of fact-checking
04:12and where she's getting her resources from
04:15and where she's fact-checking from.
04:18And I think that also just instilling
04:20a sense of peace and joy
04:22and teaching my daughters to be very centered
04:24in who they are as people
04:26and understanding that we define that within ourselves,
04:29regardless of what is said outside the home.
04:32And also teaching them compassion and humility
04:36and understanding the importance of differences
04:38and to not lose sight of that.
04:39I just feel like my answer to anything with that name,
04:42it kind of stresses me out, to be honest.
04:44It gives me anxiety.
04:46But I try to stay in the joy as much as possible.
04:49But yeah, I think if I'm being genuinely honest
04:53in this moment, I feel a little anxious.
04:55I feel anxious but hopeful.
04:56It's like a weird balance, you know?
04:58Yeah.
04:59What about you, Mel?
05:02I think discernment is really, really important right now
05:06for myself and for my children, being Canadian
05:09and really learning about the U.S. politic
05:13presidential system.
05:14It's been an eye-opening, veil-lifting experience.
05:18And I feel like I've seen things I can't unsee,
05:20having a different perspective,
05:21coming from a different country.
05:23So I want my children to know
05:24that there are different ways of doing things
05:27and there's different ways of existing in this world.
05:29And so that's kind of the place
05:31that I approach this season with my children.
05:35Some of the values that I teach my children
05:37in my way of countering the negativity
05:40is through us really just focusing on
05:43the core values of our home, right?
05:45And so a lot of those values are respect.
05:49I think it's a blessing that we live in a home
05:50where their father and I are different religions,
05:53we're different races.
05:54So they're already growing up with that example already
05:56of the fact that you can coexist with people
05:58that have completely different views
06:00but have the same values.
06:02So the values of our home are very much the same,
06:04which are centered around family, kindness, love, inclusion.
06:07That doesn't change.
06:08But how we may see the world,
06:09how their father and I express,
06:11I'm super spiritual and I pray a lot.
06:14He's not like that, you know what I mean?
06:16But they see a good person
06:17and they see their father treating people well.
06:19And so I think that that example,
06:21that living example within our home
06:23of really just focusing on the value of someone
06:26versus like the exterior outside,
06:28I'm praying that that translates
06:30into how they treat other people
06:32and just manifest its way into their core values,
06:35if that makes sense.
06:36Yeah.
06:37I feel like I counter it by really putting emphasis
06:42on God is most important, you know?
06:44I think finding that center
06:47so that everything else doesn't overwhelm us,
06:49I feel like is the best way for me to counter.
06:51And I think everything else kind of
06:52is an extension from that, you know?
06:58Since we live in LA, it has been quite a new year.
07:02Yeah.
07:03In the, you know, obviously the first two weeks,
07:05we all spent it in an anxious place.
07:09Right.
07:10And thankfully, none of us lost our homes.
07:11But I would say that for me,
07:15recognizing that anxiety,
07:18recognizing that everyone was impacted
07:20by knowing multiple people in Los Angeles
07:23who've lost homes
07:24and by that period of constant evacuation notices
07:28to our phones and texting friends,
07:30the wind is picking up,
07:31like really just all that uncertainty has left a mark.
07:35And I think the first thing for me is recognizing that
07:39and letting it be, right?
07:42Like breathing through those memories
07:44that are gonna continuously pop up
07:45as we're still not out of the woods, as they say.
07:49Right.
07:50And so I am just trying to stay in that space of gratitude,
07:55of how can I help those impacted,
07:57because I know so many,
07:58and taking it one day at a time,
08:02one hour at a time.
08:03When we were in that period,
08:04it was like one hour at a time.
08:05Now, at least it can be one day at a time.
08:09But grace and space for myself and my family.
08:12I think for me and my family,
08:14it was,
08:16it's been, I think a reality check.
08:19I think for the thing that I keep saying
08:20is like, it's the possibility of sudden change.
08:23You know, things can be one way, one second,
08:25and then they can be another.
08:26So being grateful and present
08:29in each moment is really important.
08:33That's very, very important,
08:34I think to me on a regular basis,
08:35but that really became amplified
08:39during the beginning of the year.
08:40And I also think just understanding
08:42and feeling grief in a different way.
08:44You know, most times often we think about grief
08:48from losing someone or something very close to you,
08:51but the wave of grief that you can feel
08:55for devastation for those around you,
08:57the compassion, the empathy, sympathy, all of it,
09:01you know, I think is also counteracted
09:03by showing up in the ways that you can,
09:06being mindful, keeping those in thoughts,
09:09showing, give what you can, how you can,
09:12energetically what you put back into the world
09:14after something's been lost.
09:15So I think with my children, you know,
09:17just trying to find small joys throughout the day
09:20and recognizing that being together
09:22and healthy and safe is a joy
09:24and a blessing every single day.
09:26So that's kind of been the theme
09:28from the beginning of the year for us.
09:30I love that.
09:31Love that.
09:35I would probably say my favorite practices for downtime.
09:39Definitely going on hikes, going on walks, praying.
09:43I love to go to Bible study.
09:45I love to sometimes just be on the phone
09:47with my home girls and just talking.
09:50I love to read.
09:51I love to listen to music.
09:54Definitely be outdoors and praying
09:56is probably like my top two things
09:58to keep me like at a good level of space, you know?
10:00I think for me, it's mostly like the fact,
10:02I don't know if I told you guys
10:03that I am gonna start going back to school to dance.
10:06And so that's been-
10:07You didn't tell me that.
10:08I know.
10:09I love this for you.
10:09It's something that I'm like really excited about.
10:11And so being able to go to dance class with my girls
10:13and watch them and just like chill
10:16with my husband and my kids, be outside.
10:18I think that's one of the things
10:19that brings me the most joy
10:20is just being at home with my family.
10:21It's my safe space for sure.
10:23She always wanna be at home.
10:24I do.
10:25With the family.
10:26And not with y'all, sorry.
10:27With the family.
10:28You can come over with your kids.
10:29I do.
10:30For like 10 minutes.
10:31And I do.
10:32I like my little space.
10:33Yes, I'm the same way.
10:33I like my little safe space from earth is what I call it.
10:37Oh.
10:41I think like community is one of the most important things
10:44in my life.
10:45Absolutely.
10:45And I love to create communities where I have questions.
10:48Yes.
10:48Whether that's about marriage
10:49and creating the Black Love docuseries,
10:51or that's about motherhood
10:53and really trying to surround myself
10:55around people who are like-minded,
10:58but different enough,
11:00who have more kids than me,
11:02or older kids than me,
11:03or the same age,
11:03like all of the mothers.
11:05Yeah.
11:06I was like, please let me ask you all the questions.
11:07Let me come up with all of my,
11:09you know, I've read this article,
11:11or this is on my mind,
11:12and be able to just talk about it and feel free.
11:14So I know that that community,
11:17while important to me,
11:18is necessary and important for so many.
11:20Yeah.
11:21Because we all know that motherhood can be very isolating,
11:23especially as a Black mother,
11:26in this majority not Black world.
11:27Yeah.
11:28And so, or at least not Black America,
11:29but anyway, so.
11:31Girl.
11:31So, I'm just saying,
11:33the world is, anyway.
11:35And so I just think that we know
11:37that it can be very isolating,
11:38and surrounding ourselves with folks
11:40that we can talk to openly, honestly,
11:42and learn from,
11:43has been incredible.
11:44No, absolutely.
11:45I'm so grateful for the Mamas Den,
11:47because I feel like this is the community
11:49that I always wanted when I had Amira,
11:51my first daughter.
11:51Like, I was kind of by myself,
11:53the only friend that had a kid.
11:55So I love the fact that you called me
11:56and asked me to do the Mamas Den with you,
11:58because I feel like I tend to be to myself.
12:01You know, I can be like a little Herman,
12:02and go into my little home shell,
12:04and just try to figure it out on my own.
12:06One of the things that I learned from you all
12:07is that it's really important to call your sisters up,
12:10and get advice,
12:11take a different opinion,
12:13and just also share and be more vulnerable.
12:16Like, I know me and you probably struggle with that the most.
12:17Like, I like to, I say a lot of things,
12:19but I'm actually not the most vulnerable person.
12:21You've grown a lot.
12:22I have.
12:22Yeah, I feel like it,
12:23but I'm just saying,
12:25it's just due to you all, you know?
12:26We used to want to cry in the closet.
12:27I did.
12:28Last night, you cried with us.
12:29I did.
12:30You used to want to cry in the closet.
12:31I still cry in the closet, girl.
12:33I forgot about that thing.
12:34Remember?
12:35You cry so much out loud.
12:36I know, but I used to cry,
12:37I used to go in the closet and cry by myself,
12:39and then come out.
12:40It's very Capricorn of you.
12:41It is, you know,
12:42she likes to be by herself.
12:43But I actually feel better,
12:45and more healed,
12:46and like more of a woman to be like,
12:48I'm not okay,
12:48and I need your help,
12:49and I can't do it on my own.
12:51And I want my daughters to learn that.
12:52So I'm so glad that I have y'all.
12:54Y'all, I feel like for me,
12:56that's the hardest part.
12:57Girl.
12:58Is the being vulnerable part.
13:00I think because just my own traumas,
13:03where I really couldn't feel safe
13:05when I thought I could feel safe,
13:06or somebody tries to use something against you
13:08when you're being vulnerable.
13:09And so it's put up like multiple walls, you know?
13:13And I feel like it's taking me time,
13:15and it still takes me time to like break them down.
13:17One thing Ashley will not do is give up on
13:19somebody that's not being vulnerable.
13:21But that is the thing I think I am most grateful for,
13:25is the challenge of like breaking down those walls,
13:28because I don't know,
13:30I just tap into different parts of myself.
13:32So I literally,
13:34I feel like that,
13:35besides seeing y'all all the time,
13:37being vulnerable,
13:38and being challenged,
13:38and uncomfortable is my favorite part for sure.
13:40Yeah, because I felt like it equals growth.
13:42Even though I just don't be looking comfortable all the time,
13:45I appreciate it, you know?
13:46Yeah.
13:47Oh, yay.
13:49Bonerno!
13:52I will say this,
13:53because I feel so strongly with all of your sentiments,
13:57but I really would say that,
13:58in all the years of Majority being in music,
14:00I don't ever feel like I've belonged to a community
14:03the way that I feel I belong here.
14:05Oh, you do belong here.
14:06Yes, I know.
14:08And that's like,
14:09and that says a lot,
14:09because I think that in music,
14:11and in entertainment,
14:12everybody's really siloed.
14:13There's probably more healing that can be done
14:15if we were more vulnerable with one another,
14:17but we're so busy.
14:18Keeping up appearances,
14:19or being under the microscope of scrutiny,
14:22whereas motherhood is the most humbling experience ever.
14:26Those kids are gonna humble you real quick,
14:29for the whole world to see.
14:29The world will humble you.
14:32You'll be recording something,
14:33and you'll just come in,
14:34my mama, your breasts felt like that.
14:36Damn, bro, I just woke up.
14:38Like, you know, these kids,
14:40these kids really, you know,
14:42they teach you so much,
14:44and so I feel like this community has been,
14:46I think community,
14:47I think I've been searching for my whole life.
14:49I'm not a cliquey girl.
14:50I don't have like girl crews.
14:51I've never been like that.
14:52I've kind of always just done my own thing,
14:54so to belong to this sisterhood,
14:56and help be a part of building this community,
14:59is just, I think,
14:59it's a real gift in my life,
15:01so I'm very grateful.
15:02It's a real sisterhood.
15:02You're a gift.
15:03You're my boy, Blue.
15:04Yeah.
15:05Yeah.
15:06Yeah.
15:07Yeah.
15:07Yeah.
15:08What is one piece of advice
15:09that I have received on this journey?
15:12Are the best advice you got?
15:13One piece of advice.
15:14The best advice?
15:15All right, from Donna.
15:17Man.
15:20That is a huge, huge thing
15:24to, I think, identify as one thing.
15:26Well, I was gonna say, too,
15:26or lesson.
15:27Like, maybe it's like,
15:28not something somebody said,
15:29but something you've learned from.
15:31Yeah.
15:32What's the monkey one your mom always says?
15:35I wouldn't say that's parenting.
15:37It's just life.
15:40I don't know.
15:41I think for me, personally,
15:43it's recognizing that you are also, as a parent,
15:47growing while your children are growing.
15:49And I think that that's also been
15:50a really surprising thing,
15:52and I don't necessarily think anybody told me that
15:54more so than I realized that,
15:55and it really gave me peace in being not perfect
16:01and getting it right all the time.
16:02Just really understanding, like,
16:04things are gonna constantly change,
16:06and you have to be willing to change with it,
16:08and you may have to be a different parent
16:10to your children at this point
16:12than you are next year and the year after,
16:13and so I think it just gives more grace to be human,
16:16and I think that that's probably what I would say to anyone.
16:19Like, whenever people are like,
16:19oh my God, it's so hard,
16:20I'm like, oh, just wait.
16:22You're not gonna be here forever,
16:23but shit could get harder.
16:24It could also get really easy.
16:25It's like a new challenge each step of the way.
16:28But you said it,
16:29I feel like the best piece of advice for me was grace,
16:33but it was very challenging for me to understand.
16:35I'm like, what the heck does that even mean?
16:37Like, I'm trying to practice it,
16:38trying to figure it out,
16:39but grace, and I'll probably say ask for help.
16:42Ask for help.
16:43I was, oh gosh, my first child,
16:45I wish I asked for help a little earlier.
16:47Took too long.
16:48I mean, I do what I needed to do,
16:49but I was holding onto my trauma so tightly, you know?
16:53Grace and ask for help, for sure.
16:55I would say my mom told me this.
16:56She said, your children do not belong to you.
17:00You belong to your children,
17:02and I feel like that's something that I keep in mind
17:04because I always remember that
17:06I'm always gonna be their mom,
17:07but they're not always going to be
17:09my little babies in that way.
17:11And so I'm constantly trying to remember
17:13that my role will forever be their mother,
17:15but that the role I play in their life will always change.
17:17Nuh-uh, Mariah,
17:18cause you always gonna be my baby.
17:20Okay?
17:21I don't care if you 56, 95, six.
17:25Always be my baby.
17:26They are my babies, girl.
17:27They ain't gonna be calling me all the time.
17:28They gonna wanna go.
17:29The day when they wanna spend their birthday with their,
17:31yes, it's already happened.
17:32When they wanna spend their birthday
17:33with their friends instead of you, that happens.
17:35You know how it's like when they're a certain age,
17:37it's like family time, and then they hit teens,
17:39and they're like, so can I go to dinner with my homegirls?
17:41And you're like, we're having a family dinner.
17:43But I do realize that because of that,
17:45that advice helps me to make sure
17:47that I nourish the relationship that I have with them
17:50so that I'm always someone that they wanna call,
17:52and I'm always someone they wanna include in their life.
17:54So I try to definitely remember giving them space,
17:58letting them grow,
17:59and not always trying to dominate my children,
18:01but to really just allow them to figure it out,
18:03and I'm trying to help guide them,
18:04but I always want them to be close to me, you know?
18:07And I keep that in mind when I'm parenting them,
18:08because I'm like, if I want them to call me when they're 30,
18:11then they have to like me now, you know?
18:13I don't want them to leave the house
18:14and be like, I can't wait to get away from her.
18:16You know, I want them to not leave the house
18:17because they miss me so much.
18:18You know when you go bowling,
18:20you know when you go bowling,
18:21and this is how I think about parenting,
18:22is like you have those two little bumper things,
18:25and I'm like, okay, parent number one is here,
18:26parent number two is here,
18:27and the ball's just like, you don't know what it's gonna hit.
18:30I'm like, oh, that's a good analogy.
18:32It is, girl, don't steal it and try to put it here with me.
18:35It'll be okay.
18:36Chapter one, bowling.
18:37Bars from Ashley.
18:38Balls.
18:38Chapter one, bowling.
18:39The bars.
18:40Bars, what mommas do.
18:41Cut that out.
18:43We might use that.
18:44Y'all want my answer?
18:45Yeah, girls.
18:46My answer is more a lesson,
18:48and I think it's probably for like new parents,
18:50but as y'all know, when I had twins and a two-year-old,
18:55you know, with twins, newborns, somebody's always crying.
18:58No, we don't know.
19:00Okay.
19:00We don't know.
19:01Well, somebody's always crying, right?
19:02I'm feeding one, and the other's over there,
19:05and I can't do anything.
19:06I can't change that disgusting diaper.
19:08I can't like solve all the problems,
19:10and I had to learn, like my mantra is like,
19:12somebody's always crying.
19:13Like, I had to learn to be okay.
19:15And sometimes it's you.
19:16And sometimes it's me.
19:17I'm like, oh, is that Churro Book?
19:18Girl, and I had to be okay with knowing
19:21that I will get to it,
19:22but like I can't be everywhere at once,
19:24and I'm gonna love on this baby the best I can
19:26and give him what he needs,
19:27and then move on to the next,
19:29and y'all gonna be all right.
19:30Okay.
19:31And that's hard, I think.
19:32It was hard at first.
19:33Right, yeah.
19:34I just wanna help them all.
19:35Oh, gosh.
19:36Couldn't do it.
19:37God bless you.
19:38Yep.
19:39We're twins.
19:39Ooh, not that face.
19:41God knew.
19:42God knew.
19:43God knew it wasn't for me.
19:44It wasn't in my cards.
19:47For the Mamas, then,
19:48one thing that I feel that I love about us
19:50that's really important is that we are always speaking to
19:55how to create space.
19:57So I think one of the things that our fans
19:58can really look forward to
19:59is just always having a safe space to go to,
20:02and it doesn't always have to be heavy,
20:04and we can talk about the things that are happening currently
20:07but we really are just helping people navigate
20:09at the same time we are, you know what I mean,
20:11in real life.
20:12So I think that they can look forward
20:14to coming to watch us and not being triggered,
20:17because that's one thing that I love about us
20:19is that sometimes you need a space
20:21to escape a lot of what's happening.
20:23Not forget, but just like a moment to be like,
20:25okay, because we still have to be moms,
20:27and we still have to show up for our children
20:29no matter what's happening outside of the,
20:31in the world,
20:32and I think that that's one that they can always
20:33rely on us to be there and be that space for them.
20:37I mean, I completely agree,
20:38but I also want to remind us,
20:40I know this is important to us,
20:41is like the Mamas Inn is for everybody, right?
20:43We are the mamas, and we are the place
20:45where sisterhood and motherhood meet and womanhood,
20:48but we try our best to make sure
20:51that we're speaking to all the parts of the village,
20:53right, the aunties and uncles, the grandparents.
20:56I love it when men come to us on the street,
20:59like I love your podcast.
21:01Oh, my wife loves your podcast.
21:02Yes, it just is so meaningful,
21:04and so I just want to continue to be a place
21:06where like the community,
21:07the village of raising children feels equipped,
21:10and that we're giving a voice to mothers
21:12that need to be heard by their community
21:14and by their village,
21:15because everybody's not saying what they need,
21:18so hopefully we can say it.
21:19You know, I've been thinking about this a lot lately,
21:22and Ashley always tells me, you know,
21:25your voice is important, your voice is important,
21:27and I've been trying to figure out,
21:30like I know what my voice is,
21:31but then I think through motherhood,
21:34it sometimes is like,
21:36the way that I parent is so different, you know,
21:39co-parenting the way that I co-parent
21:42just looks very different,
21:43and I think that even an identity issue
21:46of like single mom, co-parent, you know,
21:48like what does that look like,
21:49but I was thinking about this actually yesterday morning.
21:52I was like, you know what,
21:53being a voice for single moms, co-parenting moms,
21:57our experience is completely different.
21:59There's no rule book,
22:00it's literally one day, one thing at a time,
22:03and so I think continuing, yes,
22:04to make mothers feel seen, aunties, everybody,
22:09and I think for me specifically, single moms, co-parents,
22:12because I feel like a lot of times society
22:15can look at us like, you know,
22:18even in dating, people get weird,
22:19like, oh, it's a single mom,
22:20and it's like, first of all,
22:22I'm gonna have my shit together.
22:24So I don't know, I think just continuing
22:25to be a voice for mamas,
22:27I think is like very important to me.
22:29I agree.
22:30The thing I'm looking forward to for the Mamas Den
22:32is getting out and touching the people.
22:35Yes.
22:36I think if there's one thing that we've done
22:38and accomplished, especially this week specifically,
22:40is we've traveled outside of our home states,
22:44and we have gone and met people
22:47and created spaces in person,
22:49and I'm really looking forward to doing more of that
22:52in 2025, and I just think, you know,
22:54we're two or more gatherers, they say.
22:56So it's really, really important.
22:58You gotta do AT20, you better.
22:59Okay, come on, Bible verses.
23:02This is my Bible verse, right here.
23:07So yeah, so that's, I think I'm really looking forward
23:09to being more in community, in person,
23:12more energy exchange, more reaching out
23:14and touching the people.
23:15I think that's where the magic is,
23:16and that's the place that the algorithm can touch.
23:20Yeah, for real.
23:21Please, humans, get out and touch somebody.
23:24Sages.
23:26With their permission and consent.
23:28Girl, okay.
23:28I love it, well, ladies, that's a wrap.
23:32Yay!
23:32That's a wrap for you, baby.
23:36Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do, baby.
23:39That's a wrap.
23:40Yay!
23:41She said, that's a wrap for you.