👉 Una vecina relata el momento en que un joven le vino a contar sobre el hallazgo de dos cuerpos en la zona que resultaron ser Josué y Paloma. La mujer relata su vida llena de miedo e inseguridad en el barrio de Bosques, donde la delincuencia es una constante. La situación ha llegado a tal punto que no puede salir de casa ni llevar a sus hijos al colegio.
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00:00No, I can't leave my house.
00:03That's crazy.
00:05That's crazy, really.
00:07Because of the insecurity, you can't leave your house.
00:09You have to make the effort to take him because you can't leave your house.
00:12They have to play inside your house.
00:14No, no, no, I can't leave my house because we live in fear.
00:17We live in fear.
00:19But they are living next to the criminals.
00:22I have two young children.
00:24As I said before, I don't want to give much detail.
00:26You live there.
00:28Exactly.
00:30I'm always grateful for her support.
00:33My children get along very well with their cousins.
00:36You make the effort to take him so they can have contact.
00:40Yes, yes.
00:42In fact, I'm not going to work.
00:47As I told him before,
00:50how am I going to take my children to school and kindergarten
00:54in a month?
00:56I already told him,
00:57my son is going to school late or my daughter is going to school late.
01:00One of them is going to school late, but they are not going to school alone.
01:03Do you understand?
01:05Javi, she's listening to you. What's your name?
01:07Marina.
01:09Hello, Marina. Javier Díaz, greetings.
01:11Can you hear me well?
01:13Yes, yes, I can hear you perfectly.
01:15How are you going to live there?
01:18It's full of bad people.
01:20Don't you say it, I'll say it.
01:22How can you live there?
01:23I'm telling you,
01:25and I'm telling the mayor,
01:27I'm telling the security officers,
01:29the justice department,
01:31if you are living next to drug traffickers,
01:34rapists, murderers,
01:36that you have them on the sidewalk in front of you
01:38and no one does anything,
01:40it is logical that people cannot go out to the street.
01:42It is illogical that children cannot play.
01:44Personally, it is a high wall.
01:46But it is not a wall, it is to defile, you know what?
01:48To defile the criminals.
01:50Not only to the grass.
01:51Yes.
01:53Not the tall plants.
01:55No, it's okay, yes.
01:57And the dirt, you know what I mean?
01:59Yes, yes, as I told the mayor,
02:01the lights that are there are mine.
02:04Well, that's why.
02:06Now the mayor receives them.
02:08I don't take care of you, Miriam,
02:10Miriam told me, right?
02:12Marina, sorry, Marina.
02:14Marina.
02:16I don't take care of you, I'm just talking.
02:18Now Watson receives them,
02:19after two deaths,
02:21after two murders.
02:23After two murders.
02:25They had to wait now to act.
02:27And that's all.
02:29And that's all.
02:31Marina, I want to ask you,
02:33because I just heard you talk to our colleague Leo,
02:35and the truth is that his testimony is very important.
02:37Yes.
02:39Let's see,
02:41that boy who was walking
02:43in that place
02:45on the afternoon of Saturday,
02:47at what time more or less
02:49did he find two bodies?
02:52Almost at five in the afternoon.
02:55Almost at five.
02:57Did you know the boy from the neighborhood?
03:00No, no, I don't know him, no.
03:03No, yes, I knew my niece from school.
03:07That's why he went to her.
03:09Perfect.
03:11He arrives,
03:13I imagine the face the boy had.
03:15Yes.
03:17He arrives,
03:19and he talks to you,
03:21and what does he say exactly?
03:23Tell us, textually,
03:25what did he say to you?
03:29Nothing, he goes to my niece,
03:31my niece enters very scared inside,
03:33she came from the other side too,
03:35Yes.
03:37And he tells the mother
03:39that there is a very scared boy outside
03:42who says he found two dead.
03:44So we left quickly,
03:46because first my niece was scared,
03:47and the other said he was a boy.
03:49Yes.
03:51So we went out to see,
03:53and well, he was a boy,
03:55I think he was older,
03:57and well, the boy told us,
03:59he says there are two dead there,
04:01in the field.
04:03That's what he said?
04:05And I say, how two dead?
04:08How?
04:10That's what he said.
04:12You ask him, how two dead,
04:14and what does he say?
04:15Yes, he says two dead,
04:17and I say,
04:19but are you sure?
04:21And he says, yes, yes,
04:23if you want, let's go.
04:25No, I say,
04:27here around,
04:29you have the police station,
04:31two blocks,
04:33you have the police station,
04:35you can go talk to them,
04:37and tell them to come.
04:39And what happened there?
04:41Did he tell you how he found the bodies?
04:43Yes, he told me,
04:45but as I said before,
04:47I'm not going to say that,
04:49because I've already said it
04:51in other notes.
04:53I ask you,
04:55because it's the first time
04:57I'm talking to you,
04:59so I ask you,
05:01and I need you to tell us
05:03so we know exactly
05:05how the scene was,
05:07how the place was,
05:09because we want to help
05:10so we know exactly
05:12how the scene was.
05:14I don't want to say
05:16that you're hiding,
05:18but there are strange things
05:20in the middle,
05:22the place,
05:24the type of murder,
05:26with a stone,
05:28everything is very quiet,
05:30so you're going to help us
05:32try to unravel this.
05:34What does he tell you?
05:36Tell us,
05:38tell us again.
05:40He says he finds two bodies
05:42and I say,
05:44what do you mean,
05:46two bodies,
05:48what you're saying
05:50is very serious.
05:52And he says,
05:54yes, there was a boy
05:56and a girl,
05:58the boy was on his knees
06:00with his head on the ground
06:02and according to him
06:04he was tied up.
06:06Then there was a girl
06:08lying on her back,
06:10and he says,
06:12if you want,
06:14let's see.
06:16And you went?
06:18I said no,
06:20no, no.
06:22But he says,
06:24were the two boys together
06:26when he saw them
06:28or were they separated?
06:30Yes, yes.
06:32They were together.
06:34So one on one side
06:36and the other on the other.
06:38And the girl?
06:40I don't know about this,
06:42but the girl was,
06:44you said she was on her back,
06:46face down, face up,
06:48that's what he meant.
06:50He said face up.
06:52And the boy?
06:54That's what he said.
06:56With his head down,
06:58buried in the ground,
07:00he said.
07:02He was face down,
07:04Josué would be in this case.
07:06That's what it looks like, yes.
07:08And did he see
07:10a stone,
07:12a bottle,
07:14any other element?
07:16No, I wouldn't know.
07:18When I heard two dead people,
07:20I got scared,
07:22I didn't want to,
07:24honestly.
07:26Marina,
07:28did he see anything?
07:30Did he see someone run,
07:32someone leave the place?
07:34No, he didn't say anything.
07:36He didn't say anything.
07:38Did he know the boys,
07:40or his niece?
07:42I have no idea.
07:44I just heard him say that,
07:46and that's it.
07:48Did his daughter know,
07:50or his niece,
07:52who did he know?
07:54My niece.
07:56Did he know Josué and Paloma?
07:58No.
08:00We didn't know the boys.
08:02Did they go to the same school?
08:04No, no, no.
08:06Ah, perfect.
08:07And then you say that
08:09at 5 minutes,
08:11well, you called 911.
08:13No, no, no.
08:15Who called?
08:17The boy, we told him that
08:19two blocks away,
08:21no idea,
08:23two blocks away was the police station,
08:25and the boy went there.
08:27Maybe on the way,
08:29I don't know, I have no idea.
08:31Ah, perfect.
08:33And did you see the police arrive immediately?
08:35Yes.
08:37Many police officers arrived,
08:39a few,
08:41something else that caught your attention?
08:43I saw two police officers.
08:45Yes, and then?
08:47And then many more police officers started to arrive.
08:50Many more.
08:52Yes.
08:54Hours later,
08:56let's say when the bodies were taken out,
08:58what did you find out?
09:00How did it all go?
09:02Or what had happened?
09:04No, no, honestly,
09:06the police didn't let us in
09:08and they didn't give you any information.
09:10No, I didn't find out anything.
09:12Afterwards,
09:14I don't know,
09:16ah, yes, a woman comes
09:18and says that apparently
09:20it could be the missing boys.
09:23Ah, the ones you've been looking for
09:25since Thursday and Friday?
09:27Yes.
09:29And unfortunately that was confirmed.
09:31The boy who came
09:33came crying,
09:35he came very distressed.
09:37And where is that boy?
09:39But they didn't give him any information.
09:41What do you mean?
09:43I mean, where is that boy?
09:45That boy who gave the testimony,
09:47where is he?
09:49Because he disappeared,
09:51you don't know anything,
09:53right?
09:55No, I wouldn't be able to tell you that.
09:57But was he a neighbor from there?
09:59No, I don't know that, I don't know.
10:01Now...
10:03He lives in the area?
10:05Yes.
10:07Does that boy live in the area,
10:09do you think, Marina?
10:11What?
10:13The boy who found the bodies,
10:15does he live in the area?
10:17Maybe, yes, I don't know,
10:19I don't know that,
10:21I don't know, I don't want to talk about it.
10:23Because, I ask you, do you know why?
10:25Because since it's a dangerous area,
10:27because there are a lot of thugs
10:29walking around,
10:31it's strange that he was in the middle
10:33of the street.
10:35And the truth is that I don't know that.
10:38As I tell the journalist,
10:40I'm 30 years old and I don't go into that place.
10:43But I don't have the mentality
10:45of today's kids.
10:47It's true, it's true,
10:49that maybe they are more at risk,
10:51that they are not so afraid,
10:53because they say...
10:55Exactly, that's why I'm not going to say things that...
10:57Of course, it's daytime, you can see,
10:59you can see and there are not so many problems,
11:01and yet, unfortunately,
11:03as we all know,
11:05that area,
11:07when does it start to be more dangerous?
11:09All day long,
11:11or from the moment it gets dark?
11:13At night.
11:15At night it's where
11:17you can hear more,
11:19they robbed me, they wanted to rob me,
11:21they took my cell phone,
11:23you can help me,
11:25things like that.
11:27Ah, of course, good.
11:29Well, Marina,
11:31did you have to go to the police station
11:33to call them?
11:35No.
11:37No?
11:39No, they didn't call them.
11:41No, no.
11:43Did you meet the kids?
11:45Did you ever see them?
11:47Or is it the first time you see them
11:49through the photos?
11:51The deceased kids?
11:53Yes.
11:55No, I didn't know them,
11:57and I saw them on Facebook,
11:59but no,
12:01I don't know them,
12:03but yes, that same Saturday
12:05I had the opportunity
12:07to talk to the mother,
12:09and she told me,
12:11they are my children,
12:13they are missing,
12:15if you see anything,
12:17I told her to stay calm,
12:19that I am also a mother
12:21and that I was going to help.
12:23Who's mother did you see?
12:25Paloma's.
12:27Paloma, who was walking
12:29looking for her daughter?
12:31Yes.
12:33In the middle of the forest.
12:35In the middle of the forest,
12:37in the north, where?
12:40Near the station,
12:42I don't know what that is.
12:44Okay.
12:46And did she say anything else?
12:48What did the mother think
12:50that had happened?
12:52No, no, no.
12:54Nothing?
12:56No, she just gave me the poster,
12:58the brochure,
13:00and she told me
13:01to stay calm.
13:03Okay, Marina,
13:05thank you very much
13:07for stopping by
13:09and talking to us.
13:11No, thank you.
13:15Well, thank you.
13:17Thank you, Marina.
13:19I hope you can find an answer
13:21and that your children
13:23can play as they deserve.
13:27Leo, sorry.
13:29Well, Javi.
13:31We are here
13:33trying to put together a puzzle
13:35that will help us understand
13:37what is part of an investigation
13:40which is still very...
13:42Of course.
13:44I mean, still in debt, right?
13:46Yes, there is still a long way to go.
13:49And I'm telling you
13:51that, yes,
13:53we are putting together a puzzle
13:55combining these stories
13:57of those who know the place.
13:58who know the dynamics of that space, that is, this lady lives next door who had to
14:03lift that wall, but there is something that obviously we have to say, there are things
14:09that they cannot say because they live there and that the TV obviously has a hard time
14:13talking about it because there is obviously talking about drug trafficking because when
14:18people are so afraid and I tell you not because they know about that place but because of the
14:25experience, it is because they are afraid of drug traffickers, they know that they are negative,
14:29also you know that we know it because it has happened to us how many times they tell us
14:35we dare to talk but those of us who stay to live here are us and they are right, that's
14:39why we try to give a hand, sometimes the neighbors tell us things, we repeat them
14:45without saying that he does not say it to give him a hand and so that at some point he solves it,
14:49there is a person there, I don't know where he is, I just saw him with a helmet, behind Marina,
15:00I don't know if you have it there, turning around,
15:08he's saying the production,
15:11I'm sorry, it could be a boy with a white helmet, I don't know if you have it around there,
15:18turning around, well, I already have it, he's talking, he's talking on the phone,
15:22ah well, after if you can, approach him, see if we can talk to him because it seems to me that he
15:27also has some testimony, let's see if we can talk to him too, I say because there are some
15:36testimonies that I think are interesting, I say because of what they are telling, beyond the
15:40terrain that we already know, we already know how it is, but each one contributes something, you saw the vision, what they
15:46heard or what they saw, of course, but there today we found, I think, two very important pieces,
15:53Javi, one is that of the friend of Josué, he could give us a profile of Josué, of how he was and this
16:03other testimony, which is of the first person I saw, to whom he sees the bodies and who gives him
16:08indications, it seems to me that it gives us some detail of how they found him too, how was the
16:16body of one and the body of the other, it seems to me that we found elements that we had not heard
16:22so far, beyond the family, what the lawyer or the experts could tell, but it seems to me
16:32that the testimony of the neighbor or the person who was in the situation at that time until here,
16:37we did not have it and it seems to me that that is very important, what we were able to achieve in these testimonies.