Category
📺
TVTranscript
00:00I used to be a Morning Musume member.
00:03My fans would say,
00:05Why are you still here when you're already 25?
00:08Or, please don't do it until you're 25.
00:12The theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:15When I'm wearing a miniskirt,
00:17I'm told I'm not that old anymore.
00:21It's nice, isn't it?
00:22It's nice, isn't it?
00:23When I was young, I was told,
00:25I've never had a new job.
00:28Because they're young, because they're old,
00:31they're discriminated against based on their age.
00:34Ageism.
00:36Ageism not only lowers self-esteem,
00:39but also leads to a decrease in the will to work,
00:41a division of generations, and a conflict.
00:45So, the theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:48Ageism.
00:50When I saw it on X,
00:53if I was wearing an idol key chain,
00:55I felt sorry for being pushed by an old lady.
00:59I wondered if I had to say that.
01:02When I was in the hospital,
01:04the nurse asked me,
01:06Did you take your medicine?
01:08What did you do?
01:10She treated me like a child.
01:12It was so annoying.
01:14I work in a part-time job.
01:16In my 50s,
01:18until my 30s,
01:20I had to take care of my belly and stomach.
01:24But for people in their 50s and 30s,
01:29I thought,
01:30Showa people are strong, so it's okay.
01:32So I felt a little discriminated against.
01:36Some people are trapped in their own ageism.
01:41When I look at social media,
01:43I feel like I'm worrying too much.
01:45When I get older, I have to dress up
01:48and grow up.
01:50Otherwise,
01:52I'm afraid of being seen as painful.
01:55So I save myself.
01:58It's painful.
02:00So tonight,
02:02we're going to talk about ageism in depth.
02:05The night when women roar in depth.
02:12This program is a talk variety for adults
02:14talking about deep themes.
02:16As colorful days on Japanese TV,
02:18we tell you about diversity in various programs.
02:21The theme of this program is ageism.
02:25Did you know the phrase ageism?
02:28I've never heard of it.
02:31It's the first time I've heard of it.
02:33How do you feel about ageism?
02:37I was a Morning Musume member.
02:39There are quite a few idol groups.
02:42When I was in the 6th grade of elementary school,
02:44I joined the training camp.
02:47I made my debut a little earlier than now.
02:51When I was in the 2nd grade of junior high school,
02:54I hadn't made my debut yet.
02:56So I thought I was an old lady.
02:5812 years old?
03:00You're 14 years old.
03:01My nickname was Danchizuma.
03:03My friends said,
03:04I love cider.
03:06While I was doing that,
03:08I ate dried squid.
03:11That's ageism.
03:14Old people don't eat dried squid.
03:17They don't eat it.
03:18They don't eat it.
03:19My sense of taste got worse.
03:23My fans said,
03:25I'm over 25 years old. Why are you still here?
03:29Please don't be 25 years old.
03:32I was divided into 25 years old.
03:36Even if a male idol is in his 30s or 40s,
03:41I don't think it's strange.
03:45When I'm in my early 30s,
03:47I hear that kind of voice.
03:49I see.
03:50How about you, Kondo-san?
03:51Do you feel age-related discrimination?
03:55In the past few years,
03:57age-related discrimination comes from appearance.
04:00There are a lot of things.
04:01If you stop dyeing your hair white,
04:04you look a little older or a little younger.
04:07It's completely the same.
04:09When I was in my 40s,
04:12I went all the way to my 60s.
04:14I see.
04:15So, for example,
04:17people come to me when I'm self-reliant.
04:19I try to help them.
04:21I say, are you okay?
04:23Let me help you.
04:25This is also one kind of ageism.
04:27The elderly are weak to machines.
04:29The elderly have to be helped.
04:31The elderly are weak.
04:33I think about this every day.
04:36The shopkeepers are kind.
04:39They should be kind to you.
04:41When I pay at the ATM,
04:43I'm told, are you okay?
04:46But I'm probably told by the mayor
04:48to talk to people like this.
04:50Let's be kind to grandparents.
04:52That's right.
04:53You have to judge by appearance.
04:55Is it okay to call this ageism?
04:59That's right.
05:00That's right.
05:01I think it's different.
05:03That's right.
05:04It's a big problem.
05:05I'm good at saying things.
05:08I'm good at saying things.
05:11That's nice.
05:12You said, I won't dye my hair this year.
05:14You said that at a very early stage.
05:16That's right.
05:17There are various reasons for that.
05:19The biggest reason was
05:21that I joined Fuji TV in 1991
05:23as a female announcer.
05:26At that time, there was still a bubble.
05:29It was a time called female hole.
05:31That's why I'm like an idol.
05:33I was asked to be young and beautiful.
05:36If I don't, I can't stay in this frame.
05:40It's a threat.
05:42So I've been clinging to it for a long time.
05:46And one day, I realized
05:48that this is a win-win fight
05:52against nature's discipline and aging.
05:58I thought it would be healthier for me
06:01to get out of the frame as soon as possible.
06:05That was one of the reasons.
06:07But...
06:09You're going to dye your hair.
06:11It's okay to dye my hair.
06:13It's difficult.
06:14I'm afraid that people will think
06:16that it hurts because I resist nature too much.
06:20Everyone's heart is broken
06:22by what people think.
06:25That's right.
06:26No matter what people say,
06:29I was able to get out of the frame.
06:32It was very easy.
06:34That's cool.
06:36How about you, Maekawa?
06:38A few years ago,
06:40I was preparing to start a business
06:42in South Asia called Sri Lanka.
06:44I was in my late 20s at the time.
06:46I was preparing to start a business
06:48and trying to talk to various people.
06:50But I felt like a kid came from Japan.
06:53I couldn't deal with him at all.
06:55I couldn't talk to him about my business at all.
06:58That happened a lot.
07:00I see.
07:01Just because you're young,
07:03people don't know what you can do.
07:05That's right.
07:06How about you, Okubo?
07:07I told my young managers and staff
07:10that I can drink until morning
07:12because I'm young.
07:14They said,
07:16I'm young, so I can drink until morning.
07:18Let's go.
07:19I told them that.
07:20You're young, so you can eat this much.
07:23If there's anything left,
07:25you can share it.
07:27That's right.
07:29How about you, Ito?
07:31I'm 54 years old now.
07:33People say that a lot.
07:35The other day,
07:36I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:38What are you doing?
07:40I'm 54 years old,
07:42but I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:44Everyone said,
07:45I got strength and courage.
07:47I thought,
07:48I'm glad I'm 54 years old.
07:50If I was young and energetic,
07:52I would be able to do my best.
07:55But I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:59That's amazing.
08:01That's amazing.
08:02That's what I think.
08:04What people say at my age.
08:06How about you?
08:07I often realize that I'm an ageist
08:11or that I'm discriminating against my age.
08:15In the first two or three years of joining a foreign company,
08:18there was a top salesperson.
08:20He said,
08:21I'm young, but I'm great.
08:23After that,
08:24he said,
08:25It's a world of ability.
08:27I see.
08:28I see.
08:29It has nothing to do with age.
08:31It's like,
08:32I'm sorry.
08:33It's difficult.
08:34It's like,
08:35I can't help it.
08:36I can't help it.
08:37There's a phrase that I always feel uncomfortable with.
08:39For example, when I say I'm 35 years old,
08:41I can't see it.
08:42I thought I looked younger.
08:44When I was told that I couldn't see it at all,
08:46It doesn't matter if I look young or not.
08:49When I say I'm over 30 years old,
08:51I have to change my age.
08:53There's something like that.
08:55I'm told that I'm too old to see.
08:59I feel a little uncomfortable with that fact.
09:02On the other hand,
09:03I'm happy to be told that I'm young.
09:07I think I'm a little biased
09:09about being young is justice.
09:13Mr. Asai, do you say,
09:16I'm 45 years old.
09:18I can't see it at all.
09:19I look like I'm in my late 30s.
09:21I try to avoid talking about age.
09:26I think it's rude to say that I look young.
09:31I'm told that I don't change.
09:34Of course, I say that I don't change.
09:38That's the limit.
09:39I can't use the word young anymore.
09:42It's hard to say that being young is justice.
09:45Everyone wants to be young.
09:47The younger you are,
09:48your cells are younger,
09:49and you have something to do.
09:50There's something like that.
09:52There is.
09:53There is.
09:54It's wonderful to get used to it as you get older.
09:57But there's also the greatness of being young.
09:59It's different to say that I'm young
10:02and be happy about it.
10:04I can't get any reaction.
10:06But in fact,
10:07you're told that you look young.
10:10I do.
10:11But I don't think it's that bad.
10:14It's not that bad.
10:16I get told that every week.
10:18You're happy.
10:19I'm happy.
10:20That's right.
10:21I think it's because I want to be seen as young.
10:23I think it's because I move every day.
10:25I'm evaluated for that.
10:27That's right.
10:28Ito, you're happy to be seen as young, right?
10:30I've always believed that I look young.
10:33When I say I'm 54,
10:35I might be saying that I'm too old.
10:37But most of the time,
10:38I don't get any reaction.
10:40I think I said too much.
10:42I don't get told that much.
10:44In my case,
10:46I get told that I don't change.
10:49I get told that I'm young.
10:51I get told that all the time.
10:53But when I turned white,
10:55no one said anything.
10:57I see.
10:58You can't say that you're young or that you don't change.
11:00That's right. I've changed.
11:02When I say that I'm young,
11:04it's because of my manner.
11:07Especially when it comes to women.
11:09I think that's something I've been taught since I was a kid.
11:12For example,
11:13in a picture book,
11:14it says,
11:15I'm the apple that gives you eternal youth.
11:17That's true.
11:18So I think it's better to be young forever.
11:21I feel like I've been taught that since I was a kid.
11:24It's like,
11:25I'm going to punish you for doing something bad.
11:28It's the same for Taro Urashima, right?
11:30It's like,
11:31I'm going to punish you for doing something bad.
11:35That's true.
11:36I feel like I've been taught that since I was a kid.
11:39I think there's a fear of death.
11:42I think aging is getting closer to death.
11:45People in their 20s are more likely to move.
11:48People in their 50s and 60s are more likely to get sick.
11:51It's called age-queer.
11:53It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:55It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:56It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:58I think it's difficult to make a relationship with people at a young age.
12:01But I think you get a lot of responsibility from the media
12:04But I think we get a lot of responsibility from the media
12:07I think we get a lot of responsibility from the media
12:11but if you go back on your words,
12:13but if you go back on your words,
12:14you'll eventually realize it.
12:17But we say to ourselves now,
12:19you get a lot of responsibility from the media.
12:23It might be good to be young for old people,
12:27There are a lot of people on TV who are like,
12:29old ladies and old men,
12:31and they're like,
12:33this kind of person is painful, right?
12:35And they're like,
12:37I might be doing this,
12:39I might be in pain.
12:41And after the war,
12:43the media has brought in a lot of things.
12:45I think SNS is pretty similar,
12:47and in terms of make-up,
12:49what I've been seeing a lot in the last few years
12:51is a lot of bubby make-up.
12:53Bub face make-up.
12:55Those kinds of videos are going viral.
12:57Of course, that's not bad at all,
12:59but if it's going viral,
13:01I think it's the same
13:03if it's a little bubby make-up
13:05or a little more sophisticated make-up.
13:07I think it's okay if both are going viral,
13:09but I think young people's make-up videos
13:11are going viral.
13:13I feel like young people's justice
13:15is being rubbed into SNS in the first place.
13:17I see.
13:19I'm 54 years old,
13:21but I'm wearing damaged jeans
13:23or something like that.
13:25But I wonder
13:27if this is one of the things
13:29I'm trying to show young people.
13:31I sometimes think like that.
13:33I'm wearing a fluffy jeans
13:35and a Snoopy trainer,
13:37and when I go out to drink,
13:39I'm like,
13:41there's no one like this, right?
13:43That's right.
13:45No matter how old you are,
13:47you want to wear what you want to wear.
13:49How do you become young?
13:51Do you have a part
13:53that you become an outsider?
13:55The other day,
13:57I was 36 years old
13:59and I went to the oldest place.
14:01At that time,
14:03I was very careful.
14:05I'm already rubbed into
14:07going out to drink,
14:09so I go out to drink
14:11and talk to people
14:13to get along.
14:15I tried not to invite people.
14:17There was a party,
14:19and when I invited people,
14:21people in their 20s
14:23were like,
14:25well, if you're going,
14:27you should go.
14:29I don't know,
14:31but I really wanted to go
14:33with people in their 20s,
14:35but I thought it would be boring
14:37to go with Mr. Asai.
14:39I felt like
14:41I should go with everyone
14:43in their 20s.
14:45Fukumura-san,
14:47what do you think?
14:49For example,
14:51there are cosmetics,
14:53aging care,
14:55and whitening care.
14:57When I choose with my friends,
14:59I say,
15:01of course,
15:03it's aging.
15:05But I think
15:07it would be nice
15:09if there was no such thing
15:11in the idol world.
15:13For example,
15:16I'm conscious of
15:18whether I'm discriminating
15:20against someone's age
15:22or not.
15:24It's also being streamed on TVer and Hulu.
15:26We're also waiting for your favorite subscription.
15:28On the show,
15:30we're looking for your concerns.
15:32It's hard to say to family and friends,
15:34but if you have any concerns
15:36you want to consult with Ueda and women,
15:38please contact us.
15:40Morning Musume.
15:42Yuko Nakazawa has been playing
15:44with her aunt for a long time.
15:46If it's Nakazawa-san,
15:48you can call her aunt.
15:50You can call her scary.
15:52I really don't like that.
15:54My junior
15:56has been playing with her aunt
15:58for more than 20 years.
16:00She says it herself.
16:02Maybe she doesn't want to get hurt
16:04so she says it herself.
16:06I don't know.
16:08But now I think
16:10it's not good.
16:12I wish I could stop her.
16:14I wish I could stop her.
16:16That's what I think.
16:18I see.
16:20When you're over 30,
16:22there are more and more
16:24stories about your aunt.
16:26I might have said that
16:28when I was 30 or 32.
16:30For example,
16:32I can't drink until morning
16:34because I'm an aunt.
16:36People around me
16:38think like that.
16:40People around me
16:42think like that.
16:44If I wear this fashion
16:46because I'm an aunt,
16:48I might get hurt.
16:50I don't want to say
16:52that I'm an aunt
16:54because I don't want
16:56to get hurt.
16:58I see.
17:00But if you're an aunt,
17:02you can't drink until morning.
17:04I think it depends
17:06on the relationship
17:08because I often meet
17:10young students.
17:12I go to a drinking party
17:14but I can't drink
17:16until morning.
17:18I try not to say
17:20that I'm an aunt
17:22because I don't want
17:24to get hurt.
17:26I try not to say
17:28that I'm an aunt
17:30because I don't want
17:32to get hurt.
17:34I see.
17:36What should we do
17:38to get rid of
17:40ageism?
17:42I don't think
17:44we can get rid of it.
17:46I think it's important
17:48to be aware
17:50that I'm not discriminating
17:52someone's age.
17:54It's okay to be fat.
17:56It's okay to be thin.
17:58People who say that
18:00are discriminating
18:02against their future self.
18:04I've learned a lot
18:06from young people
18:08like Fukumura-san
18:10and Maekawa-san.
18:12So I want you to teach me.
18:14When I look at you two,
18:16I think you're pretty
18:18and cute.
18:20I think so, too.
18:22Forgive me.
18:26It's not a bad thing.
18:28I think so from the bottom of my heart.
18:30I see.
18:32What do you think, Maekawa-san?
18:34Ageism is a word
18:36that has been around
18:38since 1969.
18:40Oh, really?
18:42It's been a few years
18:44since I've heard it.
18:46I don't think
18:48I've talked about ageism
18:50on TV for 5 or 10 years.
18:52Just by talking to each other,
18:54the word ageism is recognized.
18:56When you have a mysterious
18:58phenomenon,
19:00you can think about
19:02what to do next.
19:04I think it's similar to that.
19:06People who were worried
19:08about ageism
19:10can move on to the next step
19:12just by knowing the name
19:14of the phenomenon
19:16created by society.
19:18So I think it's a great step
19:20to take up on TV.
19:22It's a next step.
19:24I see.
19:26By the way,
19:28this program has been
19:30popularized.
19:32Don't say that!
19:34Next time, we'll learn about ADHD.
19:36People who say it's hard
19:38to catch up on time
19:40may think they're not motivated.
19:42They may think so.
19:44They're motivated,
19:46but they can't catch up.
19:48Look forward to it!