En un conmovedor llamado a la justicia, una familia afectada por el asesinato de Leandro reclama que se retiren los celulares a los presos, quienes utilizan las redes sociales para burlarse de sus víctimas. El caso está siendo investigado por el juez Gosl y el fiscal Fornaro en el juzgado de garantía número dos. La familia denuncia la falta de respuestas rápidas por parte del sistema judicial y planea realizar una marcha en Virrey del Pino si no obtienen soluciones. Este caso resalta la urgencia de revisar las políticas penitenciarias sobre el uso de tecnología en prisión.
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00:00Data to keep in mind, if you allow me. This family comes here to the second warrant court in charge of Dr. Gosl.
00:07G-O-S-L.
00:09It is who must say yes or no to the removal of the cell phone because it is the one who is investigating, along with the prosecutor Fornaro, this specific case.
00:20So, Prosecutor Gosl of the second warrant court, keep in mind the request of the relatives.
00:26It is a request to remove the cell phone from Ochoa, to remove it for what it has been showing.
00:33This of using cell phones began with the pandemic.
00:36That judge who put it into operation said that when the pandemic was over, it was going to be reviewed.
00:45And that only the cell phones, guys, were going to be used for the use of WhatsApp, sorry for the reiteration.
00:52The use of WhatsApp to communicate with the family and for educational reasons, for educational reasons.
01:01They were only the issues for which the cell phone could be used.
01:05Is it clear that in this case, as in so many others, no. Are you better Caro?
01:09Yes, yes, I'm fine.
01:11Well, the truth is that it is a whole. This also makes you feel bad, the heat.
01:15But the truth is that we are desperate, because even here in the prosecution, which is supposed to be the ones who have to know,
01:22they don't know how to tell you if he was arrested with this phone and entered with the phone at the time of the arrest,
01:29or if he entered illegally on a visit, or if they passed him.
01:34They don't know how to tell you.
01:37So what we come to claim is that this stops because it re-victimizes us.
01:44We can't recover, we can't cry to Leandro in peace, because it's always something new.
01:50So how can you take the time to recover psychologically and socially,
01:56if this person is always making fun of what he did, as if it were a feat, as if he were a hero of killing a worker.
02:04We are all crazy. Besides, why do you have a cell phone?
02:07Give him a cell phone that sends text and call messages.
02:11So that social networks, on top of that, keep invoicing in there.
02:14They already pay their pension, they give them a cell phone, and on top of that they invoice with TikTok and OnlyFans.
02:20This is a joke. So where are our rights?
02:24So I have to go out and steal and kill and I'm going to have all that too?
02:27Sure.
02:28Because as you were saying, I don't even earn $2,000 a month, you know?
02:33Where is justice? Where is justice for everyone?
02:36What do you feel when you see all this?
02:38Beyond the murder of Leandro, when you see all the prisoners doing this,
02:43business, tours, showing that prison is a very fun place.
02:47I am ashamed.
02:49No, I tell you the truth, I am ashamed.
02:52I am ashamed that Argentine justice allows this.
02:55I am ashamed.
02:57You see the prisoners from other countries and they work, they send them to the streets to work so they can eat.
03:02And here it's a joke, they get a pension that they charge like a pensioner,
03:06and on top of that they have a cell phone, TikTok, and they do all these things.
03:10Well, we have to say that Leandro was a father, he had a son,
03:14and I want to ask you especially how you handle all this
03:18with a little boy who has to be explained.
03:20And look.
03:22Something so painful.
03:25Look, my son is 8 years old.
03:28He loved his dad, and his dad loved him.
03:34I have to take his phone out, because he has a cell phone,
03:39he used to visit his dad's house, then he came, we were separated,
03:43but we always got along very well, in fact, in three families.
03:46He had a cell phone, he has a cell phone to communicate via WhatsApp,
03:50for those things.
03:52I had to take it out, because I'm terrified that he'll go somewhere
03:56and that this murderer appears, because he's a murderer,
04:00like Leandro killed him in the back, he has no forgiveness from God.
04:04I have to take his cell phone out so he doesn't see
04:08that on top of the fact that he killed his dad, he's making fun of him.
04:12Sure.
04:13How do you explain it to an 8-year-old child?
04:15There's no way to explain it to an adult,
04:19much less to a child who's going through an impossible pain.
04:23Yours also, obviously, moves us.
04:26Now, the lack of answers to all this impacts us a lot.
04:30We were just saying that we're showing,
04:32I'll tell you, two days ago,
04:34to the prisoners who do these things on their social networks,
04:37on TikTok, on Instagram,
04:39and you are asking for a specific case.
04:41We talk in general, we show different prisoners, different cases.
04:44Now, you are claiming for the murderer of Leandro,
04:47for Tobias Rodríguez Ochoa.
04:49How do you feel when you're going to ask for help
04:51and they're telling you,
04:53no, come back on Monday, ma'am, don't bother.
04:55This doesn't seem to be important.
04:57As I told you,
04:59anger, shame,
05:01because, also, you tell me,
05:03how are they totally out of date?
05:06Because this murderer uploads a story,
05:08and in a second, half the world, the whole country, saw it.
05:11Sure.
05:12And justice takes, like, how long
05:15to bring down an order,
05:17to file a complaint,
05:19I mean, there's no equality.
05:21Sure.
05:22We're going to go cut down a pine tree,
05:24to leave, so they give us a solution.
05:26Because it can't take so long,
05:30it doesn't go hand in hand with the times of social networks.
05:32Sure.
05:33Imagine that this person, this murderer,
05:36uploads a story saying,
05:38I'm better than the dead,
05:40because I'm here in jail, like at home,
05:42because he feels like this, like at home.
05:44He has all the comforts.
05:45Sure.
05:46He has a cell phone, he has internet, he has money.
05:48The son of a bitch is breathing.
05:50And he's breathing, on top of that.
05:52He's breathing.
05:54That's it.
05:55This had already happened to my grandson
05:57when he was robbed,
05:59when he was with his mother and my son in the car.
06:01They ran into them in a car,
06:03and they made them get out,
06:05pointing a gun at my son.
06:07And my grandson was there, and he was shocked.
06:09He was with a psychologist.
06:11And now this happens to the father.
06:14How is my grandson going to live his whole life?
06:17How is he going to live?
06:19What is his life?
06:21If everything was a tragedy
06:23because of these filthy rats
06:25who have privileges.
06:27I want justice for my son.
06:29Justice for my son,
06:31and to get that guy's cell phone out,
06:33to get his cell phone out.
06:35Because he can't live well.
06:37This can be done automatically,
06:39because, Carina, they always tell us,
06:41and you've heard it
06:43from other places,
06:45before this impossible tragedy
06:47that is the murder of Leandro,
06:49that justice is slow,
06:51that it has its time to condemn,
06:53to send someone to jail.
06:55Now, this should be automatic,
06:57because this is going to the police station
06:59and getting his cell phone out.
07:01There's not much more to it.
07:03As Carolina said, he uploads a video
07:05and it goes viral right away.
07:07And my son was the third time they robbed him.
07:09The first time was with the boy,
07:11and the third time they killed him.
07:13Of course, and your grandson
07:15will inevitably
07:17look on the internet,
07:19at some point he will ask himself,
07:21at some point he will want
07:23to be close to the situation.
07:25No, it's not fair.
07:27It's not fair that my son
07:29can't even get distracted
07:31watching a video on YouTube,
07:33because everyone knows that on YouTube
07:35you can upload shorts, like Reels, stories.
07:37It's not fair that not even
07:39my son, who is the victim,
07:41can watch a video to get distracted
07:43because this murderer
07:45uploads stories and is
07:47as if nothing happened on social media.
07:49It's crazy. Where are our rights?
07:51They have more rights
07:53and comforts than we do.
07:55How do you create your son
07:57from love and in love?
07:59Because I don't have...
08:01I didn't know
08:03Leandro,
08:05and I hate him,
08:07I don't even want to think
08:09about what happens to you
08:11as a direct family.
08:13How do you make your son
08:15not grow up full of problems
08:17and full of hatred?
08:21With all the love
08:23I can give him,
08:25and psychological assistance,
08:27because it's very difficult.
08:29He even says himself,
08:31I miss my dad,
08:33I want justice for my dad.
08:35Imagine that your 8-year-old son
08:37says he wants justice for his dad.
08:39It breaks your soul.
08:41Classes started
08:43and my son looked everywhere
08:45to see if his father showed up.
08:47Do you understand?
08:49Do you know what it's like as a mother
08:51to see your son looking
08:53at all the cars to see if his dad shows up?
08:55It destroys you.
08:59We are all parents here.
09:01It destroys you.
09:03What you have to face,
09:05your personal pain,
09:07and your son's,
09:09when you have to face a son
09:11and see him suffer,
09:13is perhaps the most difficult test
09:15that life throws at us.
09:17That's why,
09:19the pain you have,
09:21you should be demanding justice.
09:23Just that this murderer
09:25receives a sentence
09:27as it should be,
09:29at least 25 years in prison,
09:31and he doesn't get anything out of it.
09:33But now they're demanding
09:35that the guy doesn't have a cell phone.
09:37This is what it's hard for us to accept.
09:39That's why we're fighting.
09:41We see Leandro's dad, Omar,
09:43and it breaks our hearts.
09:45Yes, sorry.
09:47Javier, we want to hear it too.
09:49We know he can't speak,
09:51but we'd like to hear it.
09:53What can you say about all this?
09:55Two words or whatever you want.
09:57I can't speak.
09:59I can't speak.
10:03As Bruno's mom used to say,
10:07I took him to school,
10:09I accompanied him,
10:11I looked everywhere.
10:13Then,
10:15I went to look for him.
10:21He looked back,
10:23in the truck.
10:25We always hid.
10:27I'd look for him with my son,
10:29I'd hide,
10:31and I'd look for him.
10:33And so...
10:35And when he left school with me,
10:37he'd look,
10:39I'd look at him,
10:41he'd look back,
10:43then he'd go to the back of the truck.
10:45For me...
10:47I think that if...
10:51When the father...
10:53I have no more words to say.
10:57I have no more words to say.
11:03Poor Omar.
11:05Poor Omar, Javier.
11:07It's very hard to hear him, Javi.
11:09Complicated.
11:11Yes, Javier.
11:13We're moved too.
11:15If they don't give us an answer
11:17by Monday,
11:19on Tuesday,
11:21we'll go to the 56th unit
11:23in Virrey del Pino,
11:25so they can give us an answer.
11:27Because the pain of my family
11:29is impressive.
11:31And we're not going to stop.
11:33We're not going to stop
11:35until there's justice
11:37and all the benefits are cut.
11:39Yes, it's the least
11:41we can all hope for.
11:43I think you can hear us.
11:45Yes, Javier.
11:47Yes.
11:49The least we can ask for
11:51is for the benefits to be cut.
11:53What I don't understand is the answer
11:55they gave you so far.
11:57I'm going back to the subject
11:59because I'm really outraged
12:01because we showed this on TV.
12:03We're repeating over and over
12:05the videos of this criminal,
12:07this unqualified murderer
12:09who killed Leandro.
12:11And no one does anything by their own will.
12:13But you went to ask for it already.
12:15And do you have to wait until Monday
12:17to get an answer?
12:19Do you want to give us the names
12:21of the people who killed Leandro?
12:23No.
12:25We're going to cut the video
12:27at 5 PM
12:29at the 56th mayor's office
12:31in Virrey del Pino
12:33where he is.
12:35And until a director
12:37comes out,
12:39we're not going to leave.
12:41We want an answer.
12:43We can't take this pain anymore.
12:45Every day we see something new
12:47from this murderer
12:49How can one go through the pain of having your son, your brother, my son's father, taken away from you?
12:56You can't. You can't. We are in the flesh.
13:00My son is in the flesh looking for his father, looking everywhere.
13:04He hears a horn and says, my father is back.
13:07How can you... We can't take it anymore.
13:10The people in charge of this have to get to work.
13:14Because it can't be that in a second they put a story and it goes viral all over the country
13:19and here they tell you, you have to wait until Monday.
13:22We are all crazy.
13:23It's total madness. Total madness.
13:26The issue of making them wait for a family that no longer has a term.
13:29You no longer have time.
13:31I imagine you are in a long discussion of a time that began
13:36when you learned the news of Leandro's murder
13:39and that doesn't end, that doesn't have an end.
13:41This is a day and night drama of yours.
13:44There are no deadlines.
13:46It's not that you can cut and on Saturday and Sunday you will have a good time
13:50and on Monday you go back to campaigning
13:53to make this criminal stop making fun of you.
13:57Your pain is permanent.
13:59That's why it moves us so much.
14:01That's why we are putting all the pressure we can to have someone listen to us.
14:07Yes, thank you very much.
14:09We really want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts
14:11for the support you gave us.
14:13Honestly, no words.
14:15This is a nightmare.
14:18It's the word we say.
14:20It's a nightmare.
14:22It's constantly living in a dream of terror
14:25because every time it gets worse.
14:27You can't cry calmly, you can't do the duel calmly
14:30because this rat, because it's a rat,
14:32a person who kills a worker,
14:35a worker,
14:36without caring about anything,
14:38or the family,
14:39he killed him from behind,
14:41he broke his chest, this rat.
14:43Everything you say is understood
14:46and it's what we all feel.
14:48This is what we need to know.
14:50We are with this family because
14:52the person who ruined their lives,
14:54and literally ruined their lives,
14:56posts on social media,
14:59making fun of them.
15:00And justice does nothing.
15:02This is the point.
15:03What can you expect from a murderer
15:06other than a beast?
15:07What can you expect from this animal
15:09capable of shooting from behind like a rat,
15:13like a person without any kind of codes or courage?
15:18So, since we can't expect anything from him
15:21and he has to be locked up because he's a beast,
15:24we expect justice.
15:26Justice doesn't have to give him channels
15:28to continue ruining this family's lives.
15:30And that's why this program,
15:32and why we stopped in this case,
15:34to be able to, in this case,
15:36exemplify how much damage can be done
15:38with a post from jail.
15:40How bad can you do to a family
15:42to which you have already ruined their lives.
15:45Making fun of the victims.
15:48There can't be a lower level.
15:51No, there is no lower level.
15:53There is no more painful situation
15:55than losing someone like you lost.
15:57But there is this new situation with the phones.
16:01You, in addition to all this situation,
16:04which is really unbearable, unbearable,
16:07have something else to demand from justice.
16:09Because, I mean, I imagine that in this fight
16:11to seek justice,
16:13so that the accounts are somehow
16:15settled for the crime of Leandro,
16:18you must have other demands.
16:20I mean, things are missing.
16:22The investigation is complete
16:24regarding the murder of Leandro.
16:26There is still a lack of investigation to be done.
16:28What situation are you in?
16:30According to what you have been told,
16:32if you have been told anything.
16:35The only thing I know that would be missing
16:38is that the people who had them hidden
16:41were not prosecuted.
16:43Accomplices.
16:44The accomplices were,
16:46I suppose they have to put them
16:48under cover, accomplices.
16:50The two people who were there
16:52when he was caught in Villa Soldati
16:54were not prosecuted.
16:56They were not detained.
16:58They are free to go home.
17:00And they do not know how to tell us
17:02why they were not prosecuted.
17:04According to what they tell me in the prosecutor's office,
17:06because the judge of capital did not prosecute them.
17:08So I say,
17:10how can I hide a murderer
17:12and nothing happens?
17:14I go home in peace.
17:16It's a joke.
17:17I do not understand.
17:18And well, and then the fact of the cell phone.
17:20No, not to mention.
17:22All the accomplices have been prosecuted.
17:24Of course.
17:26I was asking you precisely because
17:28the cell phone is public and notorious,
17:31but not for justice,
17:33not for the police,
17:34not for the Ministry of Justice,
17:36which depends on the police service,
17:38neither.
17:39But on top of that, there are two people
17:41who hid this murderer in their house
17:43and that a judge of capital decided not to prosecute him.
17:45And well, then,
17:46long live the PEPA, nothing happens.
17:48You can condemn the murderer.
17:51I do not know what to do.
17:53Tell us.
17:54No.
17:55They have nothing to this day.
17:57There is nothing.
17:59That is, they do not even tell us
18:01who they are,
18:02what they had hidden from this rat,
18:04because they are not prosecuted.
18:06This happened, he was arrested
18:09and they went to his house.
18:11Of course.
18:12And the victims have no access
18:14to any kind of information.
18:16Many times they have more information
18:18They do not even want to tell us where they are.
18:20Nothing, nothing at all.
18:22They do not even tell us,
18:24they do not want to confirm
18:26where he is staying,
18:28in which unit.
18:30Of course.
18:31I do not understand, then,
18:32the Penitentiary Service.
18:34Who is afraid of whom?
18:36The prisoners?
18:37Them or them?
18:38The prisoners?
18:39It is not understood here.
18:41And it gives the feeling
18:42that they are afraid of the prisoners,
18:43from what you are telling us
18:44and from what we have been seeing,
18:45because when we ask
18:47if they have a cell phone,
18:48they tell us no,
18:49because if they do not,
18:50the prisoners get angry
18:51and make riots
18:52if they take their cell phones.
18:53That is the answer
18:54they give us.
18:55Of course, yes, yes.
18:56Yes, it is like that.
18:57They are afraid of them.
18:59How can they say
19:01no, we do not take their cell phones
19:03because they are going to make riots.
19:05But you are supposed to be
19:06the ones who have to take care of us,
19:08not them.
19:10Of course.
19:11And now,
19:12someone approached
19:13the Victim Protection Office.
19:15You know that in the province
19:17there is a law
19:18to protect the victims.
19:19There are people who are supposed
19:21to assist the victims.
19:22No, they did not approach us.
19:24No?
19:25Nobody?
19:26We came here.
19:28They did not approach us,
19:29they did not call us.
19:30When we went to the prosecutor's office
19:32today to find out
19:33how we did
19:34to make the presentation,
19:35the request
19:36that please,
19:37urgently,
19:38take out their cell phones,
19:39here they send us to the office.
19:42And well,
19:43here they already told us
19:45that they have to come
19:47on Tuesday
19:48or any other day
19:49to give psychological attention
19:51to the parents,
19:52to my son.
19:54But they,
19:55to communicate
19:56at first, no.
19:57Let's see,
19:58we have to go now
19:59to a booth
20:00that we want to thank you again.
20:01And above all,
20:02in addition to thanking you,
20:04tell you that we will be with you
20:06until this
20:07stops happening.
20:08Because you need
20:09to make a duel.
20:10From the heart
20:11we thank you
20:12all this time.
20:13Thank you,
20:14Javier Hermoso,
20:15for your work from the place.
20:16And of course,
20:17it is a family
20:18with which we will continue in contact.