Therapy Thursday: The Rhythm Method
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00:00Which therapist do you need?
00:01Therapy Thursday.
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00:04Hi, everybody.
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00:35Therapy Thursday is on.
00:36Dr. Davi, Meredith, MD, Orlando, BGYN.
00:39Who you want?
00:40I will start off.
00:41Hello, I have a question for the entire group.
00:43My father left my family when I was really young
00:47and basically was never a part of my life.
00:49The problem is now I have a couple of kids of my own
00:53and wants to be back in, not only in my life,
00:56but wants to be introduced to my children.
00:58I haven't really had that long conversation with them
01:00about why he left us.
01:02It is concerning, and I'm trying to explain everything to them,
01:06but I'm not even quite sure if I want him back in.
01:09What should I do, and how do I start this process?
01:12I mean, he left you.
01:13He didn't leave them.
01:14Yeah.
01:15First of all, he didn't.
01:16He didn't.
01:17He left them.
01:17She is going to see that loving connection he's going to give them,
01:22and she never got from him whatsoever,
01:25so she might feel some type of way about that.
01:28Yeah, but the thing is, here's the thing.
01:31You're mad because of something that happened to you,
01:34and that matters.
01:35You have to now figure out who that person was back then
01:40because has he grown?
01:43Has he realized his mistakes from that?
01:45People who leave their kids don't just leave because of the relationship.
01:49Sometimes it's just because they couldn't afford it
01:51or they had other demons or something like that,
01:55so you've got to be able to let them kind of get better.
01:58Why not let him get better and be a granddad?
02:01I agree with you.
02:01Oh, he might have been not the best father,
02:03and this could be his chance to try to atone for that,
02:07try to make up and be a great-grandfather.
02:10You won't know until you give him that opportunity.
02:12Give him a chance.
02:12There you go.
02:13All right, Dr. Dobby, you're next up.
02:15D-Melo.
02:15It says, Dr. Dobby, I ain't going to lie.
02:18I hate condoms.
02:19Okay.
02:20So I've always dated people who was on the pill.
02:23My new girl can't take it because of her health problems.
02:27She uses something called rhythm method.
02:30I can't front.
02:32I thought that meant that your pullout game had to be on point,
02:36but this is about her counting days
02:39and some science about her menstrual schedule.
02:41If you were 22 and didn't want to become a statistic with a kid,
02:46would you trust this kind of protection?
02:49Hell no.
02:50Absolutely not.
02:51Okay.
02:51Unequivocally no.
02:52Do you a doctor?
02:53Yeah.
02:54Dr. Dobby.
02:54With my expert opinion, no.
02:58Heck no.
02:58Listen, man.
02:59Nobody is going around saying,
03:02yo, I love condoms.
03:04Nobody has ever said that,
03:06but it is a very important protection,
03:09not just from pregnancy, from STDs.
03:12You know the deal.
03:13And honestly, you know the answer.
03:15I think this is not advisable.
03:18And this rhythm method, I think, will get you caught up.
03:21Not every single time.
03:22I'm sure there's people that have skated around it
03:25and it's worked for them.
03:27I'm just saying, don't become a statistic.
03:29And if this is the way that you're going to go about this,
03:32get ready for a baby shower and get ready for a baby mama.
03:34Oh, my gosh.
03:35Okay, Meredith, we have 18 more seconds on this clock.
03:38Do you know anything about this rhythm action?
03:41Absolutely, I know about the rhythm method.
03:42And there's definitely a chance
03:44that you can still get pregnant, for sure.
03:46Oh, okay, wow.
03:47So, you know, I mean, you got to take that chance
03:49if that's what you want to do.
03:50So this is no protection and just counting?
03:53A lot of people use condoms for that reason.
03:55I mean, a lot of people use birth control and condoms
03:57to make sure that they definitely don't have any children.
03:59Wow.
04:00And just because you don't like condoms.
04:01I could not imagine getting with somebody
04:02and they're like, hey, I counted my days,
04:05so it's all good.
04:06That's trust.
04:07Yeah.
04:08Which is one reason why you should always know
04:10and trust the person you're having sex with
04:13because then this may work.
04:14You mean get to know them first?
04:16Before just sleeping with them?
04:18Go figure.
04:19All right, let's see here.
04:20We got somebody on the line who is a no-name.
04:23Hey, how you doing?
04:24I'm good and you?
04:26Pretty good.
04:26He says you want Dr. O.
04:28Dr. O is here.
04:29What's your question?
04:31Okay.
04:32Me and my wife has been together
04:34probably like going on two years now.
04:36Okay.
04:37And she's going through something personal.
04:39But it's like now,
04:40it's like we're more so as roommates.
04:43How do I try to spice it up
04:45to get us back where we were without...
04:47I don't want to leave
04:48because I don't want to be inconsiderate
04:50as if I'm not paying attention
04:51or like I'm going to just run on this drop-up-a-dime.
04:54But I'm trying to find us.
04:56How do I find us?
04:57Okay.
04:58I mean, it's a good question.
05:00I don't think you should run.
05:01If she's going through something,
05:03you got to be there.
05:03So you're not thinking about leaving.
05:06I just want to make sure I get that part.
05:08I don't want to leave.
05:09Okay, good.
05:10Does this thing that she's going through
05:11directly affect her intimacy
05:13or her wanting to be close with you?
05:16Okay.
05:16You have to take that in.
05:17So it's a health issue?
05:19Yes.
05:20Okay.
05:21Ah, then that's a little different.
05:22All right.
05:22Now, what you have to do,
05:24all right,
05:25but at least my advice,
05:27would be first of all,
05:29remind your partner
05:30because if they're going through something,
05:32they feel in some type of way emotionally.
05:33They're like,
05:34I'm not 100% of what I was.
05:38So you probably aren't happy
05:39because they're weighing it
05:41against your happiest days
05:42and they're like,
05:43I know I'm not hitting it.
05:44Like, you know,
05:44I'm hitting all points like I should.
05:46So you have to remind her
05:48that, yo,
05:49my love for you
05:50is not built off of just that,
05:52especially if it's
05:54for better, for worse,
05:55richer, poorer, sicker.
05:57I mean, remind her
05:58of all the things
05:58that you've kind of,
06:00you know, agreed to
06:01to get into this relationship.
06:02And then on top of that,
06:04you know,
06:05find other ways
06:06to show that love.
06:08Just, you know.
06:09I've been trying.
06:10No, no, no.
06:11No, no.
06:12Listen, listen.
06:13Trying means
06:14that you are working at it
06:16but you're not succeeding.
06:17So we got to keep at it.
06:18Don't just say,
06:19I've been trying
06:19and back away.
06:21Try.
06:21If you working out
06:22and it ain't working,
06:23you work out harder.
06:24If you working at this relationship
06:25that you want to be in
06:26and it's not working,
06:28you work out harder.
06:29You don't lean back
06:29because it sounds like
06:30you're leaning back.
06:31You lean forward.
06:32Because I can't do it
06:33by myself.
06:33Well, yeah, yeah, you can.
06:34It's a relationship.
06:35It's one person
06:36on that side of the fence
06:37and you're one person
06:38on this side of the fence.
06:39You're right.
06:40You don't get help
06:41in a relationship.
06:42So what I'm telling you
06:43is if you love her,
06:45definitely spend the time
06:46to show her
06:47because,
06:48and leaning forward
06:49is the best part
06:50of a relationship.
06:51Leaning back means
06:52you got one foot out.
06:53Show her you got one foot in.
06:55Show her I'm not deterred
06:56about what you're going through
06:57because if you're going through it,
06:58we're going through it.
06:59We're going through it together.
07:00That'll make her feel
07:01a lot sexier
07:02and once they feel,
07:03if the person feels comfortable,
07:05they'll feel sexier.
07:06Yes.
07:06Okay.
07:07Okay?
07:08Okay, I appreciate it.
07:09No problem at all.
07:10You get right now.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Lean back.
07:13Orlando Davi,
07:14I just got out
07:15of my longest relationship
07:16at the end of February.
07:18Since then,
07:19she has gotten
07:19in two other relationships
07:21and entertained me
07:22with false hope
07:23in between the two
07:24and we also had sex.
07:26She is now hitting me up
07:28randomly asking me
07:29about the last time
07:31we had sex
07:31and saying it was about
07:33a month and a half ago.
07:35Is this because
07:36she's pregnant?
07:37If not,
07:38is she just trying
07:38to mess with me
07:39randomly to mess
07:40with my head?
07:41You can go,
07:43but I say she belongs
07:44to the streets.
07:45I kind of agree with you.
07:47I don't think
07:48she's necessarily pregnant.
07:50I think it's more about
07:51the circle back
07:52because she's been
07:53in two relationships
07:54and she hit you up
07:55in between.
07:56Remember,
07:56a lot of times, guys,
07:57we're looked at
07:58as these Neanderthals
08:00that all we want
08:02is sex
08:02and we won't ever
08:03turn it down
08:04and we don't understand
08:05the word no.
08:06We have no feelings
08:07and that's kind of
08:08how she's playing you.
08:09So,
08:09if you want
08:11to be done with her,
08:12I would stop
08:13answering those phone calls
08:14unless you get that text
08:15like, hey,
08:16I'm pregnant,
08:16then you also have
08:17to think about
08:17those other two relationships
08:19and those other people
08:20in between
08:20that she may or may not
08:22have dealt with.
08:24But if you want
08:25to be done with this,
08:25you have to start ignoring
08:27and go against your urges
08:29to randomly hook up with her.
08:30There used to be
08:31an old thing
08:31called a group chat
08:33where people used
08:34to go on the phone
08:34and they used to
08:35dial a phone number
08:36and everybody was
08:36from different cities
08:37and it was the worst thing ever
08:38because it was hard
08:39to have a conversation.
08:40So,
08:40think about it this way.
08:42You're trying to have
08:42a one-on-one conversation
08:43with somebody
08:44who's in a group.
08:45She's got a lot going on.
08:46You can't do
08:47the one-on-one thing
08:48so don't even
08:49enter into it.
08:50Don't start something
08:51that you can't finish
08:52and you can't finish it
08:53with a whole bunch
08:54of people involved.
08:54I know I wasn't asked
08:55but I think she might be pregnant
08:57and she's trying to figure out
08:58who is the one
08:59because let me tell you
09:00math comes into play
09:02definitely
09:02and she's trying to figure out
09:04when they had sex
09:05in comparison
09:05to the other two guys.
09:06She knows.
09:06She knows when they had sex.
09:07I don't,
09:08I don't,
09:08sometimes she doesn't remember.
09:11Like,
09:11well then you know what,
09:12you need some math
09:13and figure it out
09:13because you know
09:14and maybe you'll make
09:15the right decision
09:16if you're out there,
09:17you know,
09:18weighing all the consequences
09:19of all the,
09:19you belong to the streets.
09:21Yeah,
09:21I understand that.
09:22I think she might be pregnant.
09:23She belonged to the streets.
09:24And pregnant.
09:25All right,
09:25let's see here.
09:26We got a,
09:27we got a no name
09:28on the line.
09:30Hey,
09:30how you doing this morning?
09:32I'm good.
09:32And you're several?
09:33Pretty good.
09:34You got Dr. Davi
09:35on the line waiting for you.
09:36What's your question?
09:37Yes, sir.
09:38That's a tough one.
09:39That was a tough,
09:39tough pick.
09:41My situation is
09:43basically,
09:44I've been married
09:46since 2010.
09:50So,
09:50and I just recently found out
09:52that my wife
09:53cheated on me
09:54about
09:55eight,
09:57nine years ago.
09:59Man.
10:01And,
10:02you know,
10:02we got two kids
10:03and it's just,
10:05you know,
10:05us guys
10:06take that crap
10:07differently.
10:08So,
10:09it's just,
10:10it's just tough for me,
10:11dude.
10:11I don't really
10:11talk to anybody
10:12about my situation.
10:13It's just
10:14in the back of my head.
10:16Wow.
10:17All right.
10:17I'm just going to tell you,
10:18you get ready to pack your bags.
10:20If you're asking Dr. Davi,
10:21you're going to go ahead.
10:23Man,
10:23that's a tough one
10:24because even though it happened
10:25eight or nine years ago,
10:27you're just now
10:28finding out about it.
10:29So,
10:30it feels brand new.
10:32This is one of those things,
10:33man,
10:33you really have to do
10:34some real soul searching
10:36and try to figure out
10:37if you can get past this.
10:39Is this something
10:40that is forever
10:41going to be in the back
10:42of your mind
10:42and is it worth
10:43saving the relationship?
10:45You have the kids there
10:46but I think a lot of times
10:48staying together
10:48for the quote unquote
10:50for the kids
10:50isn't the best thing
10:51for the kids.
10:52So,
10:53you really have to dig deep
10:54and feel like,
10:55hey,
10:55is this the person
10:56that I can work past this?
10:58Do I want to be with her forever?
11:00And if it doesn't check those boxes,
11:02I think you have every right
11:03to pack it up and go.
11:05But,
11:05I mean,
11:05this is one of those things
11:06that nobody can really
11:08answer for you.
11:09You really have to think about
11:10how am I okay
11:12with starting over?
11:14This is your wife
11:14of 11,
11:1512 years.
11:16It happened 8 years ago.
11:18Has it ever happened again?
11:20Is there going to be more things
11:21that you're going to find out
11:22in the future?
11:23I think you have to weigh
11:24all of those things.
11:25When you weigh in,
11:26before we let you go,
11:28if you're weighing things together too,
11:30look at who she was
11:32when she cheated
11:32and weigh that against
11:34who she is now
11:35because she's had 9,
11:36you said 10 years,
11:38between it happening
11:39and now.
11:40So that's the one thing
11:41you want to make sure
11:42you look at
11:43because you're not leaving
11:44the girl who cheated on you.
11:46You're leaving the girl
11:46who worked 10 years
11:48to kind of get over that.
11:49So weigh the two.
11:51Weigh those two.
11:52And don't be worried
11:53about what other people
11:54are going to say.
11:55So you said you haven't
11:56said it to many people.
11:57You haven't been able
11:57to talk about it.
11:58Keep it that way
11:58because if you stay with her,
12:00you don't want your guys
12:01looking at her
12:02like she's a cheater.
12:03So keep that close
12:04to the breasts.
12:05Pretty much to myself.
12:07I don't really talk to anybody.
12:08Let me throw that down.
12:09Dobby's changing his ways.
12:11He can change it his ways.
12:13He can talk to.
12:15He's changing his ways.
12:17No, Dobby is growing.
12:18That's what he's doing.
12:19All right?
12:19That's what it is.
12:20You don't think you know,
12:21but that's what it is.
12:22Exactly, man.
12:22Hey, appreciate you, man.
12:24Do the right thing,
12:24but don't just throw away.
12:26Way to two consequences
12:27because that's your ribs.
12:28So you got to,
12:29you're the only one
12:29who can decide
12:30who you stay with.
12:31All right?
12:31Yes, sir.
12:32Yes, sir.
12:32We'll do.
12:33Appreciate the help, guys.
12:34All right, man.
12:35No problem.
12:35Let's see.
12:35Good luck, bro.
12:36Kim is on the line.
12:37Hey, Kim.
12:37How you doing this morning?
12:39I'm good.
12:40All right.
12:40You want one of the male doctors
12:42so you can just toss it up
12:43and we'll grab it.
12:44What you want?
12:46So my,
12:47me and my boyfriend
12:48have been together
12:49for almost a year
12:50and I have a daughter
12:52with another.
12:52Wait, turn down your radio
12:53so we don't get confused here
12:55for a second.
12:56Okay, so you've been
12:56with him for a year.
12:58Yes, and I have a daughter
12:59with someone else
13:00and he treats her very nicely
13:01and takes care of me
13:02and her as well
13:03but we just end up fighting
13:06pretty much every day
13:07over nothing
13:08and I don't know
13:09how to not do that
13:13and how to actually
13:14talk to him
13:15and open up.
13:16What was the last fight
13:17that y'all got into
13:18about nothing?
13:20Yesterday.
13:21It's usually about like,
13:22yeah,
13:23it's usually about
13:24me doing all the laundry
13:26and him not like
13:27actually listening to me
13:28when I ask him
13:29to do something.
13:31So you're starting
13:31the fight.
13:32So you fight.
13:33He don't sound like
13:34he fighting me.
13:34Mostly, yes.
13:35Okay.
13:35And I just don't want
13:37to do that
13:37because it causes conflict
13:38with a lot of things.
13:40Well, he's also not
13:41listening to her.
13:42Yeah, but you're not
13:42getting help either.
13:43Right.
13:44That's what you're
13:44basically saying.
13:45You want him to help.
13:45Yeah.
13:46There's no respect.
13:46Yeah.
13:47Okay.
13:48Uh, well, first thing
13:50I will say is you got
13:52to learn how to
13:52communicate because
13:53the thing is, uh,
13:55they, they say you
13:56got to pick your battles.
13:57I think you got to pick
13:58the venue for these
13:59fights.
13:59Like for instance,
14:01maybe you want to,
14:03and this is going to
14:04sound bad and I'm going
14:06to give it to Doc,
14:06but like, let's say
14:08there's something that
14:08you can do for him
14:10that maybe while he's
14:11laying back that,
14:12that, that, that
14:13that relaxes him
14:14that he would enjoy
14:15that if you went down,
14:17maybe why by his lap
14:18area, you know,
14:20maybe he would be
14:21excited about that.
14:22And as you started
14:23to get as, as wait
14:24a minute, wait a minute,
14:25wait a minute.
14:25No, you ain't tried
14:26this.
14:26This is good.
14:27Once you start the
14:28activity and he's like,
14:30yeah, girl, you're
14:31like, Oh, wait a minute.
14:32Oh, wait, I got to do
14:34the laundry and get up
14:35and leave him right
14:37there and go do the
14:38laundry and he will get
14:39up and help you because
14:41now he's motivated.
14:42You got to train this
14:43puppy and the men are
14:45dogs because men have
14:46to be trained.
14:47And so you got to train
14:48your dog for your
14:49situation.
14:50Well, I mean, they,
14:50they've been together
14:51for a year.
14:52I think what it is is
14:53you're making it very
14:54easy on him.
14:54So like, let's say your
14:55thing is he's not
14:57helping with the laundry.
14:58Okay.
14:59Then do your laundry,
15:00do your daughter's
15:01laundry, let his
15:02laundry pile up.
15:03If he's not helping
15:04with the dishes, you
15:05know, just put it on
15:07him where he, when
15:08he's like, Hey babe,
15:09what's going on with
15:10the laundry?
15:11Hey, my, my clothes are
15:12clean.
15:12You haven't been
15:13giving me a hand.
15:14So this is what
15:16happens.
15:16I think for every
15:17action, there should
15:18be a reaction and
15:19there should be
15:19consequences for him
15:20just being lazy and
15:22you know, not, not
15:23not helping out around
15:25the house.
15:25Now, ultimately you
15:27also have to think
15:28about what are the
15:29rest of the fights
15:30about?
15:30And then what does
15:31he do that is his
15:33point of contention
15:34with you?
15:34Maybe you're falling
15:35short in some things
15:36as well.
15:37So all of that, I
15:38say you're perfect,
15:39Kim.
15:39He's just crazy.
15:40All of that, just to
15:41say what Orlando said
15:43is, is apropos.
15:44You just kind of have
15:45to learn to communicate
15:46and don't argue every
15:47day.
15:48Orlando said to reward
15:49bad behavior.
15:50That's all I heard.
15:50I didn't say reward
15:51bad behavior.
15:52I said stop because
15:54a man who's going to
15:55pay attention, he's not
15:57paying attention.
15:57How do you get this
15:59puppy's attention?
16:00Take away the treat.
16:02That's what I'm
16:03saying.
16:03Yeah, grab a hair tie,
16:04go down and then grab
16:06a water bottle instead
16:07and just walk away.
16:08Yeah, you got to do
16:08what you got to do.
16:10Take away his
16:11Scooby Snacks.
16:11But that's only going
16:12to work like one time.
16:14It works.
16:14If you repeat the
16:15training, a dog will
16:17get trained.
16:18Stop doing stuff for him.
16:18This boy needs to get
16:19trained, so take away
16:21his treats.
16:22Get his attention.
16:23And once you got his
16:24attention, then have a
16:25real conversation, okay?
16:28All right.
16:28Try that.
16:29Try that.
16:30Don't give in.
16:31No, don't be down there
16:32and then get convinced
16:33that you need to finish
16:34anything.
16:35No, sorry.
16:36I can't do it because I
16:37got to go make meatloaf
16:38or whatever.
16:39Just do that.
16:40I'm telling you.
16:41I know people like,
16:41I see you texting in
16:42like, Orlando, that was
16:43bad advice.
16:44No, I don't care.
16:45I think that that man is
16:47going to pay attention
16:48once she stop and
16:49pull up.
16:49Uh-huh.
16:50Yeah.
16:50Okay.
16:51All right.
16:51We got one more.
16:52No, let's see.
16:53We got a lot of them.
16:54Oh, yeah.
16:54All right, Meredith, you
16:55got one.
16:55It's one right here.
16:56It says, Dr. Meredith.
16:59Dr. Meredith is married,
17:00so I want to ask her about
17:02trust between spouses.
17:05Is it possible to keep
17:07anything just between a
17:08wife and husband?
17:09If it's financial, in the
17:11bedroom, wherever, my
17:13wife is either discussing
17:14it with her sisters, her
17:16mom, or her bestie.
17:17Can things ever be just
17:19between a husband and
17:20wife, or do you always
17:22tell somebody?
17:23Yes, absolutely.
17:24There should be private
17:25conversations and issues
17:27between just the two of
17:29you.
17:29Not everything needs to be
17:30told to your best friend
17:31or your mother-in-law,
17:34because then all that stuff
17:34is going to be spread
17:35around, especially if it's
17:36bad, because now people
17:37think of you in a certain
17:39way.
17:40There's several things that
17:41should just be kept in a
17:42relationship, and that's
17:43out of respect for the two
17:45of you.
17:45Now, if you want to talk to
17:46your girlfriends about this
17:47or that every now and
17:48then, that's totally fine,
17:49and I feel like that's
17:50common, but you can't.
17:51That's not totally fine.
17:52It is.
17:52It is.
17:53I mean, girlfriends want
17:55to catch up and see
17:55what's really going on
17:56with you, like your best
17:57friends.
17:58It doesn't mean you have
17:59to talk bad about your
18:00man every single time.
18:02It doesn't mean you have
18:03to disclose really
18:04personal, sensitive
18:05information every single
18:07time I'm around my
18:08friends or family
18:10members.
18:10Yes, there's stuff that
18:11should be kept personal.
18:13Somebody that talks bad
18:14about you thinks bad
18:15about you.
18:15So, if she's out there
18:17selling you out to her
18:18girlfriends, that's how
18:19she really feels.
18:20Or maybe she's just mad
18:21at the time.
18:22I do know, I remember my
18:23mama used to tell my
18:24grandmother everything.
18:25Yeah.
18:25And so, I used to walk in
18:26the house and hear my
18:27mom telling my grandmother
18:28and I'm like, why are you
18:29telling everything?
18:31Everything.
18:31I remember that, but it
18:32was just like, it was an
18:33open line of communication.
18:34And so, I kind of, I
18:36thought of that when I
18:37heard that on the email.
18:39But there are women out
18:40there who tell they best
18:41do everything.
18:41Yeah.
18:42Because that's my best
18:43friend.
18:44She's been my best friend
18:45since.
18:46So, they get all of that,
18:48the tea.
18:49Yeah.
18:49It just depends on how
18:50private you are as a
18:51person.
18:52I'm a very private person,
18:53which may shock a lot of
18:54people because of what we
18:54do for a living.
18:55But I am when it comes to
18:56like really deep personal
18:57stuff.
18:58And I'm just going to go
18:59tell everybody about it.
19:00Before we wrap, is there
19:01anything that you tell
19:03your friends like Victoria
19:05or somebody like that,
19:06that Anthony would be
19:07shocked that you told
19:08them?
19:09I mean, probably like one
19:11thing.
19:12Yeah.
19:12Okay.
19:13Yeah.
19:13So, you got this
19:14selling out every time?
19:15No, not every time.
19:17Besties get the testies.
19:18You set me up.
19:19I did.
19:21Orlando and the free show.
19:22Therapy Thursday is a
19:23wrap.
19:24You need help?
19:25We can talk it out and
19:26work it out.
19:27And that's on Thursdays
19:28at 825.