The Jeremy Kyle Show 21st September 2018
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00:00On today's show, she was with Aaron, wasn't she?
00:03Yes, she was.
00:04Who she's now back with.
00:05Did anything intimate happen between the two of you before she's finished with him?
00:08Yeah.
00:11You're saying that there is a massive chance that you're the child's father.
00:14She says absolutely not.
00:16I'll admit I have threatened you and told you to stay away because you stalk her, mate.
00:21Aaron says you're too ugly to be the father.
00:23The baby's cute. You're a stalker.
00:25You're a freak and he's 99% sure that the kid is not yours.
00:29He's raising it and he's the dad.
00:31Threatening to me here to buy a pub and get a DNA kit and take hard his DNA by yourself.
00:35You told my team you're 1000% sure, is that right?
00:38Yeah. I had two periods after I slept with Alex.
00:47Now he's saying you're an escort.
00:49Not you.
00:50Based on what?
00:51The pictures that he's got.
00:53Uh, is that you?
00:55No.
00:56Well, it could be.
00:57Somebody actually phoned up asking if she was still on escort.
01:03Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone other than Eddie?
01:05You said no. Why did you say no?
01:07No.
01:08No.
01:09No.
01:11No.
01:12No.
01:13No.
01:14CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:29My friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show, Ryan.
01:32My first guest today, Alex, is here to find out
01:34if he is indeed the father of his ex-girlfriend's five-month-old baby.
01:38Now, Alex claimed that Rhian, the ex, cut him out of the baby's life,
01:41saying he's not the dad, but Alex says,
01:43I know there's a chance there is.
01:45And he says, if I am the dad and I prove it today, I want access.
01:48Not the new boyfriend, not the mum, it's my right.
01:51Alex is on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
02:00Nice to meet you. You all right? Nervous.
02:03I know you're nervous and I want to do this as properly as we can
02:08because these are the sorts of stories that I think
02:11we need to get some information.
02:13You, 22, were in a brief relationship with Rhian.
02:19She has a son, Harley. How old is Harley?
02:22Almost six months.
02:24You are here today because you say I'm 70% sure that I'm the dad to Rhian's baby.
02:28These people say 99.9%. You're a fantasist. You're talking out your backside.
02:32Go back and talk about how you met and how we ended up here today.
02:37We just started talking and got together for about four months.
02:42But let's talk about this. Because when you and she got together,
02:47and I want to know whether you know this or knew this, she was with Aaron, wasn't she?
02:52Yes, she was.
02:53Who she's now back with and in fact, did you know that she was cheating on him
02:59or were you not aware of him?
03:01At the start of the relationship, she told me that she was finishing with him
03:04but I didn't find out. It took her about two to three weeks to finish with him.
03:08Did anything intimate happen between the two of you before she finished with him?
03:11Yeah.
03:12And you knew that?
03:13I did know that she was still with him.
03:16She'd broken up with your liar.
03:17Who are you?
03:18I'm Aaron's brother.
03:19Are you? Well, listen, here's the thing I want to tell you.
03:21What's your name?
03:22Brandon.
03:23He's going to have his say, then your brother, then her, then you.
03:25That's why you're there and he's here, so let him speak.
03:28Right, that's it.
03:29Yeah?
03:31You must have known, you must have known she was still with him.
03:34No, she told me she broke up with him.
03:36Okay.
03:37So you get together for four months.
03:39Good relationship, bad relationship, what?
03:41First month, month and a half, really good.
03:44It was a good thing, innit, first six weeks.
03:46What went wrong?
03:49It's all rumours.
03:50Got involved, her friends got involved.
03:52Too many people got involved, basically.
03:54Um, you say that she cheated on you.
03:56You say that she was a bit of a player.
03:59Let's talk about the timescale.
04:01Had you split when you found she was pregnant?
04:03Did you know she was pregnant?
04:05Give me the story.
04:07We split, but I didn't find out from her.
04:09I had to find out from my mates that we're still friends with her.
04:12You found out after you split from her that she was pregnant?
04:15Yeah.
04:16Did you go around and talk to her?
04:17What happened?
04:18Come on.
04:19And I've tried to message it ever since, even about DNA, but she just blanks me or backs
04:24out the last second.
04:25So you're saying that there is a massive chance that you're the child's father.
04:29She says absolutely not.
04:31In fact, his brother says that you're a stalker, you're desperate to get back with her, and this
04:37is all about you not being able to let go.
04:40There's not a hope in hell's chance to you that, Dad, this is all in your head.
04:43How do you answer that?
04:44No, I have no feelings towards her whatsoever.
04:47This is just about the child.
04:48I just want to find out if I am or if I'm not.
04:50You say I get abuse, I get threats off them all.
04:53Who rang this show?
04:54I did.
04:55So you're here today on the Jeremy Couch Show because you want to get the answer.
04:57Yeah.
04:58You know that we would do a DNA and we would give you, obviously, the right answer.
05:01The birth certificate, I was reading about this.
05:03Is somebody's name on the birth certificate?
05:05Yeah.
05:06What is that?
05:07The other possible father.
05:08Not Aaron?
05:09No.
05:10So it's not Aaron?
05:11No.
05:12So she was sleeping with Aaron, then she slept with you.
05:14Now she's back with Aaron, but sometime in between all of that, she might have got
05:17pregnant by somebody else.
05:19Nice.
05:22What's your answer to that, brother?
05:24Just wait for Aaron to come out, he'll tell you all you need to know.
05:26Just for me, I'll give you a chance here.
05:28You shouted out, what, this guy's still in love with her, you reckon?
05:31Just making it up.
05:32Alex, mate, I've seen every single message sent between all of you.
05:34And yeah, I'll admit I have threatened you and told you to stay away because you stalk her,
05:38mate.
05:39You got to take photos of Rhianne and Harley and send them to you every time she came to my
05:46brother's flat.
05:47What if he's the dad, bud?
05:48If he is, step up.
05:50If you're not, leave us all alone.
05:51That's all I have.
05:52What are you tapping for?
05:54That's a lie.
05:55How can he step up if she won't have anything to do with him?
05:57See, this is what I mean.
05:58This is...
05:59I've seen it all.
06:00Your brother's taken over, mate.
06:01He hasn't taken over.
06:02Does your brother know that she was sleeping with him behind your brother's back?
06:05They had splitting up.
06:06They had split up when she had slept with Alex and I know...
06:09Are you in love with Rhianne?
06:10Not at all.
06:11Do you think you're the father of this baby?
06:13High chance, yes.
06:14Aaron says you're too ugly to be the father.
06:16The baby's cute.
06:17You're a stalker.
06:18You're a freak.
06:19And he's 99% sure that the kid is not yours.
06:22He's raising it and he's the dad.
06:24Aaron's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:25You're a stalker.
06:29You're a stalker.
06:30You're a stalker.
06:31You're a stalker.
06:32I've said everything you've sent to her.
06:34I'm a stalker.
06:35Threatening to meet her by a pub and get a DNA kit and take Harley's DNA by yourself.
06:40Yeah, because you and your brother threaten me all the time.
06:42You need to leave her alone.
06:43Oh, no, you're not the dad.
06:44Yeah, but I've met her for about six to ten months about her DNA.
06:47Welcome to the show, Aaron.
06:49How do you know he's not the dad?
06:51The dates just don't add up.
06:52Don't they?
06:53No, he's thinking by the day that Harley was born.
06:56Okay.
06:57But what he doesn't realise is that Harley was born two or three weeks.
06:59You say he's a nightmare.
07:00This guy is obsessed with my girlfriend and that's annoying, right?
07:02Oh, it is.
07:03It drags her down.
07:04It's dragging me down at the same time.
07:06What does this baby mean to you?
07:07Oh, he's everything.
07:08He is.
07:09I consider him as a more little boy.
07:10How long have you been in his life, bud?
07:12Since he was about two months old.
07:14So when you see...
07:15I mean, your brother made a comment that a lot of people use on this show which worries me.
07:18Oh, step up.
07:19How can he step up if he's being denied anything?
07:21I mean, she...
07:22He...
07:23I mean, there are two sides to every story.
07:24Yeah, of course.
07:25I mean, I don't still quite understand why you split up.
07:28You just said it finished and then she cut you out.
07:30Did you do something to her?
07:31Was he nasty to her at all?
07:32He controlled her.
07:33Did he?
07:34He wouldn't let her go...
07:35He wouldn't let her go to work.
07:36He wouldn't let her go to her friends.
07:37He wouldn't let her go to work?
07:38No.
07:39He wouldn't let her go to work.
07:40I took her to work myself.
07:41He says the interesting thing is that it's pot calling the kettle because you, in fact,
07:44do exactly the same because you're massively insecure with it.
07:45No, I don't.
07:46No, I don't.
07:47You could...
07:48I mean, is that...
07:49Words?
07:50I'll let her do her own thing.
07:51I'll look after Harley when she wants to go do her own thing.
07:53You reckon this kid could be yours?
07:54You say fundamentally not in a million years could this kid be yours.
07:56You need to talk to him, mate.
07:57You just sat there like you don't give a damn.
07:58Where's the passion, Alex?
07:59Come on.
08:00If you think this kid is yours, stop sitting there looking with some grin on your face.
08:03Give it.
08:04Tell him what you think.
08:05That's your answer.
08:06You've got to say what you think.
08:09The dates do add up, Aaron.
08:11The dates don't add up.
08:12The dates do add up.
08:13How do the dates add up then?
08:14How?
08:15It worked out to before we split up.
08:17Two weeks before we split up.
08:19Mate, honestly, looking at a picture of a baby, looking at a picture of Harley now,
08:24they are identical.
08:25She was seeing him behind your back.
08:27Yeah, that...
08:28That's true.
08:29And in the very short space of time she wasn't with him and you, if we're to believe this,
08:34she jumped into bed with somebody else.
08:35So that's three of you in the frame, yes?
08:37No, I'm not in the frame.
08:38Oh, no, I'm not the dad.
08:39If there is another bloke, when did she sleep with him?
08:41If she was trying it on with him behind your back, when did the other one slip in?
08:44When was that?
08:45In the midst of it all?
08:46No, that was after him.
08:48The other one was after him?
08:49That was after him.
08:50And then she was with him and then she got back with you.
08:52No, she wasn't with him after that.
08:54What do you mean she wasn't?
08:55So she just slept with him?
08:56She wasn't with him for four months?
08:57After me, she slept with him.
08:58But he said she was with him for four months.
09:00Yeah, she was with him after me.
09:02And what about the other bloke?
09:03When was she with him?
09:04She wasn't with him.
09:05Is there anybody else?
09:06No.
09:07So who do you think the father is?
09:08I think it's...
09:09Right.
09:10And if it is not this guy, you're saying, leave me alone.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Not your family, not your bird, not your life.
09:16Yeah.
09:17That's her on the screen.
09:18One question for you, Rhian.
09:19Because I read this, brilliant.
09:20You're 99.9% sure, aren't you, Aaron, that he's not the father?
09:24Yeah.
09:25You told my team you're 1,000% sure, is that right?
09:27Yeah.
09:28I had two periods after I slept with Alex.
09:31What was my favourite word?
09:32We'll go to the break of a period.
09:33Back next with DLA.
09:34Don't go anywhere.
09:36He was phoning you while you were still in bed with me.
09:38It was...
09:39That's the truth.
09:40He isn't, it does.
09:41Then why did you do a DNA over the past six months?
09:43I said I would pay for one and you didn't.
09:45Neither did the other bloke.
09:47Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship as an ex refusing to accept paternity?
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10:17APPLAUSE
10:24Thank you very much.
10:25Welcome back to the break.
10:26Aaron and Alex.
10:27The story is quite simple.
10:28Alex, please don't take this the wrong way.
10:30You phone this show.
10:31You want to find out if this kid is yours.
10:32You say there's a chance.
10:33You say he's been cut out.
10:34Every time I organise her DNA, she backs out.
10:36We all...
10:37Well, to be fair, she hasn't backed out today, has she?
10:40She's here.
10:41Rianne's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
10:42APPLAUSE
10:47Rianne, welcome to the show.
10:49I'm not trying to be rude.
10:50I'm trying to get an angle on this.
10:51You were in a relationship with Aaron.
10:54Yep.
10:55Then you tried it on with Alex behind Aaron.
10:56No, we splitter.
10:57We split up at this point.
10:59And then I went out with Aaron.
11:00Alex, sorry.
11:01No, it's not.
11:02Yeah, it was because he was phoning you while you were still in bed with me.
11:07It was...
11:08You kept going on at me anyway when we had split up asking for me back.
11:12Who's the father of your baby?
11:13So explain to me how it came to be that you're in this relationship and you split up with him
11:19and then he's...
11:20And he's literally isn't allowed in the picture.
11:22He's not allowed to know anything.
11:24Is that because you know he's not the dad?
11:25Yeah, he's definitely not.
11:26But then why is your brother-in-law saying, oh, he should step up?
11:29How can he step up if you're blocking him?
11:31I don't know why he's saying that.
11:32I'm trying to help you for the sake of your kid.
11:34Look at me.
11:35What's the truth?
11:36He isn't at that.
11:38Then why have you done a DNA over the past six months?
11:41I said I would pay for one and you didn't want it.
11:43Neither did the other bloke.
11:44You have never said you'd pay for one?
11:46Yes, I did.
11:47I said on the 29th of this month when I get paid, I said I would do it.
11:51I've been asking you before Harley was born.
11:54No, I have been asking you.
11:56No, no, you have not.
11:57Yes, I have.
11:58Who's...
11:59Let's hear your side, Rhian.
12:00He cheated on me with at least three girls.
12:03Yeah, it's...
12:05Not people's names.
12:06You say he...
12:07Yeah, sorry.
12:08No, I'm sorry.
12:09He refused to give me back my bank card.
12:10Yeah, he had my bag, my bank card, my purse, everything.
12:12He was controlling.
12:13I lost family and friends.
12:14Yep, I had to move out where I lived.
12:16When he rang this show, was your initial reaction good, we'll get the truth from that or get him out of my hair or was it, this is just another ploy?
12:24I didn't even know until they rang me.
12:26I didn't know.
12:27You're absolutely convinced he's not the father and when that is confirmed in your mind today, what do you want from it?
12:33What happened?
12:34I don't want anything to do, then want him to leave me alone.
12:37Who's Kirsty?
12:39My cousin.
12:40My cousin.
12:41Who knows nothing about what's going on.
12:43Well, she's on his side.
12:44She's never met my son.
12:45She's never seen.
12:46Only has told the story she's got to know.
12:47Kirsty's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
12:57So, you're not on your cousin's side.
12:58Welcome to the show.
12:59What's your view on this?
13:00Well, I'm just here to support him, really, because he's on his own and it all.
13:04And there's all of them against him.
13:05He's on his own because he is that horrible to everyone.
13:09He's lost everyone that tried to help him.
13:11Yeah, but he just wants to know.
13:12Why is he so horrible?
13:13Give me some facts.
13:14You're all speaking in headlines.
13:15Right.
13:16We could be lying in bed at night and I could wake up and hear her crying her eyes out because he has terrorised her.
13:21How is he terrorising her?
13:23Instagram.
13:24Constantly sending her messages.
13:26Why are you doing that?
13:27I'm not constantly sending her messages.
13:29All I message you as well is, can we do a DNA for the past six to ten months?
13:33So, you are 99 point...
13:35You're absolutely sure.
13:36You've never met the kids.
13:37You were cut out.
13:38The relationship finished.
13:39You say the other guy that we can't name is the father.
13:41There's the baby.
13:45You've never met that baby, have you?
13:47Never seen that baby?
13:48Never.
13:49If you are right and that kid is not his, what do you want from today, sweetheart?
13:53Just him to stay at my life.
13:55For you, Aaron, you know, just the truth, butt out, let us get on with our lives.
14:01Yeah.
14:02This is a guy who is desperate to just ruin what you've got.
14:06We're a happy, solid family unit and he's just trying to butt his way into it.
14:10I'm not trying to butt my way in, I just want to find out what's what.
14:12You phoned the show.
14:13Your view was, sorry, because you were shouting out, you think this guy's in love with her, right?
14:17It's written all over his face.
14:19He doesn't leave her alone.
14:20At all.
14:21And I don't know why, I can appreciate Kirstie's ear sticking up for Alex,
14:24but she doesn't know anything whatsoever.
14:26But fair play for you coming on for your mate.
14:28But Alex, if you are the dad, I will tell her myself.
14:31No, no, there's no chance he's the dad.
14:32She says it's a thousand percent and your brother said a hundred percent,
14:35and you said no chance, which is interesting because he is the child's biological father.
14:39All right, mate.
14:44OK.
14:46So there you are.
14:48Yeah.
14:49So do me a favour.
14:52Do me a favour.
14:53You've got Nish to do with this now, pal.
14:56There you are.
14:57Nothing.
14:58This is the father.
15:00You're all right to go.
15:01And I'll tell you something else that you won't like.
15:05Thank God he rang this show because I'm going to make sure he sees the kid
15:09because he's the biological father.
15:11And you.
15:13You.
15:16Stop playing God now.
15:17And you.
15:18You.
15:19Those pair you found to ring, stand up because you are the dad.
15:22Don't listen to the...
15:23Yeah, you're involved, but you're not the dad, pal.
15:26Oh, no, I'm not.
15:27So start speaking because there's more passion in them for you.
15:30Come on, Rhianne, we've got to do it for the kid's sake.
15:34I knew you were hiding somewhere because you wouldn't do the DNA for ten months.
15:39How many times?
15:40I am going to swing this round.
15:45The most passionate person is this kid.
15:49What I meant by that was, you're not the biological father.
15:52What I have to say, look at you two.
15:54This guy is gutted but cares.
15:57He means the world to me, he does, man.
15:59I know, mate.
16:00I know.
16:01Why is it worse that he's the dad rather than the other one?
16:03Because I feel he's the one who's going to let him down.
16:05OK, good.
16:06That's what I love about you.
16:07Now we're getting...
16:08He's going to let him down.
16:09You need to let him down.
16:10Well, then why don't you have the passion this kid has about this kid?
16:12Look at you.
16:13There's nothing.
16:14Look at him.
16:15Look at this man.
16:18Talk to him.
16:19Alex.
16:21Jeremy's going to give you one chance.
16:23And if you let him down, no-one's going to help you.
16:26I'm not going to let him down.
16:27But he's dead right there, see?
16:28No-one's going to help you.
16:29It's perfect.
16:30You've pushed everyone away already.
16:31You've barely got anyone to help you.
16:32You need to help yourself now.
16:34Absolutely right.
16:37That's what...
16:38Aaron, that's what I meant, right?
16:40Because what I will not do...
16:42I will not stand here.
16:43I've done the biological thing.
16:45Where I am at, and you won't like this,
16:47it's got more in his little toe
16:49than you've got in your whole body in terms of passion.
16:52That's me being honest.
16:54And this kid...
16:55This kid has to sit here and know that you're the father.
16:58You're like that.
16:59You should be...
17:00You don't even look happy.
17:01Alex.
17:02Now I'm thinking, is it about the kid or about her?
17:04Because you aren't even looking happy about her.
17:06No, there's nothing about her.
17:07Alex, I'm the bloke who wakes up in the middle.
17:08Yeah.
17:09To feed him.
17:10Change his nappies.
17:11I'll take him out.
17:12I've not had a chance to.
17:13Because you keep sending these stupid friends.
17:14What about thank you?
17:15When I hear you f***ing leaving him alone?
17:16And why nothing from you?
17:17I haven't been leaving him alone.
17:18What about nothing from you?
17:19Rian?
17:20It happens.
17:21That came from Chloe herself, said that you leave him alone.
17:22Don't start criticising his parenting skills when you haven't done anything yet.
17:23Alex, we all look after that kid as well.
17:24We all do it.
17:25Me and Chloe have stayed up countless nights looking after that boy.
17:26Rian have heard nothing.
17:27Come on, where are you?
17:28Why aren't you speaking?
17:29Talk to me.
17:30Come on.
17:31Your son could have gone the entire part of his life.
17:32Or did he 16 or 18 and not know who his dad is if he wasn't for this morning?
17:35Yeah, but no.
17:36So let's get this right.
17:37For him, people don't have to like each other.
17:38People don't have to like each other.
17:39Yeah, but no.
17:40So let's get this right.
17:41For him, people don't have to like each other.
17:43Yeah.
17:44So let's get this right.
17:45For him, people don't have to like each other.
17:47What about nothing from you?
17:49What about nothing from you, Rian?
17:50What about nothing from you?
17:51Rian?
17:52It happens.
17:53It's right.
17:54For him, people don't have to like each other.
17:56People can have their own individual feelings.
17:58I get the shock.
17:59But here's a bloke who at least has been candid.
18:01I like him more and more because he cares about the kid.
18:04Unfortunately, in your eyes, Alex is the father of your baby.
18:08Yeah.
18:09Unfortunately, in your eyes, she, you know, it's been too long.
18:11But we've done it now.
18:12So how, as he says, Aaron says, how are we going to move forward?
18:16I just want regular access for him.
18:20But you need to, in order to have regular access, you need to prove to everyone that you can do it once.
18:25If you could do it once, then everyone's got hope that you can do it again.
18:28I can do it once.
18:29I ain't going to let him down.
18:30And I ain't going to stop you from stealing either.
18:32Give me a hug.
18:33Give me a hug for you.
18:34Give me a hug for you.
18:35Give me a hug for you.
18:36Can you meet his son?
18:37Yeah.
18:38You all right?
18:40You all right with that?
18:42I'm not going to let him not see his dad.
18:45I want to say something to you.
18:48I have to do this show in a certain way.
18:50I really like you.
18:51I really respect you.
18:52I think you're a fine young man.
18:53I know it's difficult.
18:54I think the way that you've approached this, seeing as how you were never in the frame says
18:57an awful lot about you.
18:58It's hard, right?
19:00But I know that you love her and I know you love that kid.
19:03And Alex, I'll tell you something now.
19:04And I've gone 360 on this.
19:06The passion he shows, if you had a tenth of that, I'd be impressed.
19:10You've got to do something, mate.
19:11You've got to get your head up.
19:13This is real life.
19:14This isn't kids sending social media posts or blocking people on Facebook.
19:18That's a baby.
19:19That's a baby who wants, very simply, only these things, which is consistency, honesty,
19:25morality, decency.
19:27You have hung in there.
19:29You have phoned the show.
19:30We've got there.
19:31Now's the time to prove it.
19:32Do you understand?
19:33And we'll do it with our help.
19:34Alex, I know we've had our differences.
19:35But I'm willing to be safe with you for the sake of him.
19:38But obviously you understand that I...
19:40Good.
19:41This is the only way I could find out.
19:42Can you meet your son?
19:43Yeah.
19:44Do you know what I want you to do?
19:45I didn't think I'd say this at the beginning of the part.
19:48Usually I'd take the mother and I'd take you.
19:50But this guy has a right to come.
19:52This guy's...
19:53I agree.
19:54This guy...
19:55This guy is the most impressive person on this stage.
19:57So the three of you come this way.
20:04You all right?
20:05You all right?
20:07I know.
20:08But listen.
20:09Listen.
20:10It's about the kid.
20:11Well done.
20:12I know.
20:13Listen.
20:14Verve.
20:16Appreciation.
20:17Well done, mate.
20:18Say thank you to the mother.
20:21Here we go.
20:22Oh.
20:27Hi.
20:28And by the way, he's a brilliant mother.
20:31Done a great job.
20:32And this guy's done a great job as well.
20:35Put him in here.
20:36Hey.
20:37Hey.
20:38Hey.
20:39Done.
20:40Done.
20:41Come here.
20:42Come here.
20:43I know it's difficult for you.
20:44You do the decent thing.
20:45Harley?
20:46You want to see your daddy?
20:48See your daddy?
20:49Come on.
20:50I'll tell you what, Aaron.
20:51I don't really should say it is to take my hat off to you son.
20:54All right?
20:55I know it's difficult.
20:56It's hard.
20:57Because I know it's great for you now.
20:58You know what?
20:59At the end of the day, maybe he won't.
21:00Maybe he won't.
21:01Let's hope he does.
21:02But you've done the right thing by Harley today.
21:03Thanks, Aaron.
21:04Alex?
21:05Don't make any promises you don't fulfil.
21:06Concentrate on that kid.
21:07Get rid of the war.
21:08All right?
21:09We'll help you.
21:10Thank you, guys.
21:11Give them a round of applause.
21:12Thank you very much indeed.
21:13Good luck to them.
21:14We'll let you know.
21:15We'll work with them.
21:16And hopefully we can put that unit back together after the break.
21:18More from the JK show.
21:19Don't go anywhere.
21:20Right back.
21:21Now he's saying you're an escort.
21:22No.
21:23Yeah.
21:24Based on what?
21:25The pictures that you've got.
21:26Er, is that you?
21:27No.
21:28It could be.
21:29Somebody actually phoned off today and asked her if she was still on escort and said it,
21:30yeah.
21:31Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone other than Eddie?
21:32You said no.
21:33Why did you say no?
21:34Are there three people in your relationship with you?
21:35Who's not?
21:36Who's not?
21:37Who's not?
21:38Who's not?
21:39Who's not?
21:40Who's not?
21:41Who's not?
21:42Who's not?
21:43Who's not?
21:44Who's not?
21:45Who's not?
21:46Who's not?
21:47Who's not?
21:48Who's not?
21:49Who's not?
21:50Who's not?
21:51Who's not?
21:52Who's not?
21:53Who's not?
21:54Who's frontline people in your relationship?
21:55Are you in a love triangle?
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22:24today Michelle is here because a partner Edward is accusing her of being a cheat now this isn't
22:30the first time Michelle's had to prove herself take a look at this my friends talked about four
22:36or five people basically that have told me different things that I'm even not that she's
22:40had sex in the car with somebody so I'm a bit concerned because it's actually true talking
22:44rubbish see the sex in cars now like it's all stories it's all a lot and I can't believe he's
22:49listening to the people he's listening to five people are telling you something right people
22:54that are never listening and I've not heard anything Jeremy I've not heard the thing she
22:59passed every single question too many people so we thought that was that and everything was fine
23:13and I said that show everything was going well until recently where Edward already as I'm gonna
23:17call him started accusing her again this time he didn't say I think you've been acid in the car
23:21he said I think you're an escort not a car and s an escort Michelle says that she's hurt especially
23:29after he's the one being sent naked photographs by other women she says that if he fails she won't
23:35be back here again she'll be giving him the boot for good Michelle is back on the Jeremy Kyle show
23:40them are some boots them aren't they look at them can imagine Steve in them Michelle welcome to the show
23:56look darling this is getting past a joke so you do that the Jeremy Kyle lie detector then he got insecure
24:02about a month later so you went out and bought to buy your own one where was it from home bargains or
24:06something maybe I think you need to speak up 70 quid off eBay that didn't work don't do it at home
24:12seriously that sounds like a warning you're back here again since January this is this is what since
24:19January we've done a test another one I'm bit bored of it to be perfectly honest because now he's saying
24:23you're an escort yeah based on what real pictures that he's got pictures you have to speak up it's
24:29pictures that he's got pictures I'm going to show you the pictures he's got pictures he says these are
24:33definitely right you haven't seen these now I've seen some just stand up just right apparently this
24:38is now I don't want you to get upset Matthew are you ready to try and make me look good now all I'm
24:44going to say before we put the picture up is we never see your face yeah this is picture number one
24:49oh it's a bloke in the front row it's just gone like this it's just gone is that you no but it could
25:03be this is picture number two looks like a woman with a head on backwards doesn't it could you just
25:12do you know what I mean a woman whose head's there can you just put your hair forward at all can you
25:17do that can we take take a seat is that you no no it's not he's basing this on those pictures yeah
25:25what's he doing to you to be constantly accused it's tearing me apart it's like I can't cope with
25:31this anymore because I don't deserve it I've not done anything wrong you know when you're constantly
25:37arguing you're constantly being doubted and and he's back and he's done a lie detector because let's be
25:41honest I'm not pointing completely the finger at him you're insecure as well there's insecurity
25:44running through this dysfunctional relationship like anything what do you ever get to a point where
25:48you just think do you know what it's got to be better than this I can't lie yeah do you ever feel
25:53like walking away yeah fairly that there's lots of times but all of them so just want to try and get
26:00things sorted tell me about the naked pictures from women I am just maybe I'm back month ago a few
26:08weeks ago we said said to me got sent pictures on Facebook it was some lassie standing we naked and
26:14our bathroom eh did she ever head on back to front no but she's like oh she was doing that I was gonna
26:21do not as well yeah so do you know who she is was it I don't know who she is no what happens if you both
26:26pass today let's say in a week's time somebody's gonna talk to you the street and he's gonna think
26:30you're what I don't know an MP or something I don't know because I can't take it anymore it's
26:34just beyond a joke I the wedding's on hold if you do get married I do say this a lot but it is
26:40important Graham does like to come I'll sadly be on holiday but Graham Graham would like to come
26:44um obviously you hope he passes today right okay um it's embarrassing for you say um it's mortifying
26:52it's becoming beyond a joke and on a serious note you say this is it does he doesn't trust me he's
26:57got to learn to yeah yeah um Jeremy out my relationship so much since the last show and
27:02we were ready to get married I'm not paranoid I've seen her body on an escort site in the sexy
27:07lingerie I bought her on the sofa I saved up for Edward's on the Jeremy car show that way
27:11so the area right son they're not so bad paranoid boy why are you so can I there is one glaring glaring
27:28thing I need to ask you now you're not gonna like this but I'm going to what were you doing looking
27:34on escort sites anyway what happened to start with basically somebody actually phoned up asking if
27:39she was still on escorting sites yeah somebody rang you somebody around somebody out the blue a
27:43friend no somebody basically rang Michelle's mobile and they asked if she was still doing escorting
27:47and they said somebody rang your mobile and said what somebody rang the mobile and asked how much it
27:53was an hour or something that like that and now you see that doesn't happen to me that would make me
27:57slightly suspicious I mean come on let's be honest that's a different thing if you if you picked up
28:02your girlfriend's phone and the bloke won't you how much for an hour you'd think hold on a minute
28:06you would get paranoid yeah yeah you would um and the stretch marks the thing is basically there
28:12was quite a few photos that I actually kept and I showed they had faces on these ones and I showed
28:16my family and they said that identical that's it they were convinced showed your family pictures of
28:20who you believe to be your missus in underwear on an escort side I showed the face yeah to see if
28:25they recognize the face only yeah do you not trust her at all I do trust a bit when people are
28:29ringing up asking them basically for how much an hourly charge do you think that you recognize the bed
28:34have a look I don't recognize that bed but I recognize the photos I know her I know her body
28:38the way it looks their hair and stuff why is the face covered and everyone if it's an escort yeah
28:43you see basically what you're paying for that's the case absolutely no idea so why that's why I don't
28:47understand why the faces are covered on everyone so you know what you're looking for well that
28:52you've been on escort sites before for this yes what about you said the lingerie that I said that
28:58rather well then long story and stuff like you bought a laundry before basically that only between
29:04myself and Michelle basically like adult stuff did you buy her that I didn't get this but she has
29:09very similar I bought her a place here black stuff and that was on the previous photos which she asked
29:12me to delete which I did she told me that it was at my house then I only find out do you want to
29:17see I just don't want you to get upset by this but do you not think that this is just going a bit too
29:22far now no because I think you're in danger of losing this girl mate at the end of the day I'd
29:25rather have no doubts and come on the show and get yeah but how many times are you going to do
29:29you can't come on the Jeremy car show every five months because you know I understand that Jeremy
29:33but there was an incident obviously I can't wait to I know we can't talk about that this is what's
29:36caused the problem yeah I'd rather do the right thing and get on the Jeremy car also and get my
29:39relationship back on track yeah rather than have doubts you know so why are you doing a lie
29:43detector it's basically because tell me about the naked pictures I mean that's again
29:47obviously this doesn't happen in my world we don't get photos sent to our phones that are
29:52naked do we we just don't get that so I I did why does that happen to you I've got a couple of
29:56basically somebody sent me naked pictures on Facebook yeah I don't know that they're asking
30:01me to go to you will do you have Facebook do people send you naked pictures do you have naked
30:07pictures sent on Facebook not this week actually sent me these yeah I actually went showed Michelle
30:15straight away I didn't hide anything I actually took it and showed her yeah are you going to pass
30:21this lie detector and then if you both do and we can live happily ever after might I just suggest
30:25that you avoid listening to the rest of the world and just get on with your lives yeah how many people
30:29think I don't know why you're clapping it's not rocket science that piece of advice for the one
30:35it's very nice of you to clap who thinks she's gonna pass the lie detector who thinks she's gonna fail
30:42who thinks he's gonna pass who think he's gonna fail who doesn't care right give me those results
30:55thank you you need to be quiet you'll be out today I've told you behave yourself right Michelle let's
31:01start with Michelle the questions that she's asked the answers that she gave and whether indeed she was
31:04telling the truth or not we asked Michelle since the 5th of January that was what we agreed have you had
31:09sexual intercourse with anyone other than Eddie you said no what did you say no she was telling
31:14the truth on every single question
31:23you carry on like this you will lose it and I'm being completely honest well we took your advice
31:37Jeremy last time you said get big people out your life we've got there were 90% of the people of our
31:41life it's unfortunate that there's a couple still in their life but there and I'm said she was gonna
31:45file anything to say we know Eddie oh hey past every single question
32:00as well I do get it I do get it when people say things but you know what you need to do seriously
32:15just get on with your lives and ignore all these people and thank you and don't come back and when
32:19you get married Graham Graham loves Graham loves a wedding Graham loves the Volavon he'd like to be at
32:24your noctuals have a wonderful time give them a round of applause don't get mad putting people
32:34back together back after the break don't go anywhere next whilst in the process of giving birth or you
32:41know preparing to give birth to the youngest it came out that she was on heroin took the baby
32:47this is her now have you been left holding the baby and you want to confront your ex maybe you're
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33:31Pam is here hoping to save her daughter Catherine's life she says that she was utterly horrified as any
33:38mother would be to learn last year that during her daughter's pregnancy with her grandchild Catherine
33:44was using heroin now Pam says today really is the last resort for her daughter and without
33:49help she says I know I've been told she will die please Jez can you help us Pam's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
33:56you know I was saying to somebody this morning when I read this story I'm sure that a lot of people tune in to the Jeremy Kyle show and it becomes this sort of torrent of dysfunctional families when I see somebody looking like you I think it brings it home to all of us this is this is your
34:26daughter this is your grandchild this is now isn't it yeah Catherine's 34 yes let's go back before we talk
34:34about today and why you're here and the horrific headline that she took her and was pregnant with
34:39a baby let's talk about her as a child growing up talk to me saying well she was later in a bit naughty when she
34:47was younger in what way like when she was about 13 14 she used to work school and that and then once I got a phone call of the teacher that had been on a trip and she got sent home for drinking vodka as a mother you see your kid getting into trouble we've all got children who have made mistakes it's difficult you try your best you said to one of the team which I thought was interesting that you feel she's got like an addictive personality
35:17I think so I think she'll just take anything me easily lead easily you know now is she living with you not yet not yet no that says she should try and give herself sorted I would take her back home
35:30hmm I mean she had a career she was a beautician she was doing well for herself have we got a photograph of her when she right I just I just want you to look at that photograph and then I want etched on your brain that photograph in about five minutes when you look at that and you know what she's become what do you what do you think
35:48it's shocking it's horrible I don't want any more photographs that's fine thank you just leave that for now she lapsed into a world of drugs you talk about an addictive personality yeah she was pregnant wasn't she she was pregnant she was taking drugs did she have two children before she's got two now two children now whilst in the process of giving birth or you know preparing to give birth to the youngest he came out that she was on heroin
36:17yeah they found out through Tina water samples when you then they took the baby straight off her she had both babies taken off her which is quite right sorry yeah I know so you lose your grandchildren you're you're angry you're horrified what have you done what what what have people done to try and help this girl
36:36oh we've done everything I mean my best friend who's coming on she could do no more for her she's with everything and checking on and everything
36:45she doesn't come out of her room when she's on drugs just snubber two more the time you say that you will end up burying this girl yeah I know again and I'm being really honest trust in everything now
36:57it's really interesting isn't it that that that you have this it's easy for me to sit here and say has anybody been hard with her has anybody told her the facts of life because when you love somebody you want to help them right
37:08this girl just said to one of the team because I hear everything there's nothing wrong with me I don't steal
37:14I'll tell you what's wrong with you love before you come out you took heroin while a baby was in your belly take some responsibilities
37:20that's right I want you lot to look at that picture they don't have the technology to split screen look at that five four three two one this is her now
37:34go back to the original picture
37:46back again thanks mate
37:52what do you want from today darling
37:58I really need that okay
38:00who phone the show
38:02myself
38:04I'll tell you what I can't do though
38:06I don't want to upset you
38:08just roll out some red carpet and go oh you phone the Jeremy Carr show let's wipe your backside and make your life thing
38:12I know that I know
38:14because that's disgusting
38:16I know it is
38:18just going to end up dying I know she is
38:20alright look at me
38:22Catherine's on the Jeremy Carr show that way
38:24that way
38:28I
38:30feel right
38:36why do you ring?
38:40because I'm at the lowest point
38:42but you're in the pod saying you have nothing wrong you don't steal
38:46I didn't say I didn't do anything wrong
38:48heroin in your system when your baby
38:50is in your belly
38:52you told one of my teen Jeremy can't have a go at me
38:54I tell you what let's do it differently
38:56stand up
38:58stand over there
39:00I'm you what are you going to say to me
39:02go on tell me
39:04you're disgusting
39:06more than that what are you going to say
39:08you're a dirty druggy for taking drugs when you're pregnant and stuff
39:12did I deserve to lose my kids
39:14yes
39:16so how am I going to turn my life around?
39:18get help and get off stuff and get your kids back
39:20and your life back and your career
39:22how about your kids?
39:24lost your kids?
39:25I love my kids so much
39:26you don't love your kids at all do you?
39:27how can you possibly love your kids when you've picked heroin over them?
39:36why do you ring us?
39:38because I'm at rock bottom Jeremy and I really need your help
39:41how bad is it?
39:42really really bad
39:44tell me how much you're taking tell me how you're doing it
39:46you started on heroin six years ago
39:48it was codeine I started when I gave birth to my son
39:52I had a bad labor and the hospital put us on codeine
39:55and
39:57they stopped the prescription
39:59so then I was buying people's prescriptions of codeine
40:02and then I couldn't get any more of them
40:03so that's how I ended up trying heroin
40:05drugs have been part of your life for a long time though right?
40:08crack twelve yeah and heroin six
40:10you say it matter of factly
40:12because there's no point in being around it is it?
40:14I've done it myself so
40:16but it's almost like you've got this barrier up
40:18it's almost like
40:19I mean look at your mum what do you think?
40:21she thinks she's gonna die mate
40:23I know
40:24and you are gonna die aren't you?
40:25if I don't get help I
40:26but you are so matter of fact about that
40:28tell her
40:29look at your mum
40:30I'm sick of trying to tell her and help you Catherine
40:32I've done everything I can for you
40:37I know you are lost but
40:40it's my last thing I can try now isn't it?
40:42what's your best mate called?
40:43Lindsay
40:44let's get Lindsay on the Jeremy Kyle show
40:45give her a round of applause
40:53Lindsay welcome to the show
40:54I'm my best mate's carer
40:55the drugs need to stop
40:56it's very easy doing a television show
40:58there's an audience there's cameras
40:59it's very easy to be
41:00quite clinical right?
41:01quite straight
41:02but
41:03is everybody wiping her backside too much?
41:05see your kids everyday?
41:06adjustable aye
41:07when was the last time you've seen them?
41:09Thursday
41:10and then before that?
41:11two weeks before that
41:12it's not everyday then is it?
41:13but there you are
41:14I couldn't get that
41:15there's an addict isn't it?
41:16there's an addict
41:17a liar
41:18come on
41:20you know if I've had
41:21everybody wipes ship
41:22but now you don't like the fact
41:23your mate said that
41:24you've seen your kids once in two weeks
41:26because you're a liar aren't you?
41:27because you will get your drugs everyday
41:29but they are more important than your kids
41:31and you're lying to yourself
41:33you're lying to us
41:34you're lying to yourself
41:35I'm not
41:36I have kept it quiet for a long time
41:37you can't just expect to walk through their doors and go
41:39ooh it's great
41:40I've decided to switch a light on
41:42on the Jeremy Kyle show
41:43I'm going to be cured
41:44I've tried all that stuff before you
41:46I first Jeremy
41:47you've been to rehab?
41:48no I've tried like
41:49drug workers and stuff
41:50and methadone and that
41:51so why here?
41:53because you're the best person to help really
41:55who's got your kids?
41:57me sister
41:58how does that feel?
41:59bad
42:01really bad
42:02truthfully
42:03Kelsey?
42:04yeah Kelsey's ribs are support
42:05yeah but you could
42:06my daughter feels like my niece
42:08sorry?
42:09she feels like my niece not my daughter
42:11how old is she?
42:12ten months
42:13ten months
42:15so you don't get up with your kid in the night
42:18you would get up just to take some more drugs yeah?
42:21probably so
42:22it's the only time you get up Catherine
42:24no no
42:25the only time you get up
42:27for your crack pipes
42:28you don't get up to feed your baby
42:31you get up for your crack pipes
42:33that's some legacy isn't it?
42:35yeah but I didn't
42:36aren't you one of the lucky ones though?
42:38aren't you one of the lucky ones whose kids didn't go into the care system?
42:41yep
42:42where is the lady that looks after your kids?
42:44yeah?
42:45there she is
42:46do you know why she doesn't want to come on this stage?
42:51because she's ashamed
42:52but she doesn't want to say that to your face
42:54she's ashamed because all she tries to do is look after your kids and do the right thing
42:59she doesn't want your sympathy
43:01she wants somebody to stick a size ten right up your backside
43:04she cannot understand
43:06no you laugh but
43:09she can't understand
43:11she can't understand why
43:13a kid wouldn't be enough
43:14you can't can you mum?
43:17shock of the way she's went on
43:19come with me
43:20I'm going to do this differently
43:21come here
43:22I want to do this differently
43:23just stay there one second
43:24just come here
43:25just come here a minute
43:27really nice to meet you
43:28real respect
43:29I want you to do this for me
43:30oh I feel all dizzy
43:31tell her
43:32no nicety
43:33tell her
43:34you're daft
43:36and I am
43:37we've tried harder stuff
43:40took your kids on
43:41and you're still picking drugs
43:43and that's why I need help
43:44I'm addicted to them
43:45don't
43:46why are you not addicted to your kids?
43:51because it's just
43:52stuff happened
43:54what's it like for you bringing up somebody else's kid trying to explain bringing up somebody else's baby
43:58sit down there
43:59if you don't do it I want nothing more to do with you
44:02when me and my none of you do I know
44:04you haven't said thank you to your sister have you?
44:06she knows
44:07what do you mean she knows?
44:08what are you talking about she knows?
44:09what does that mean?
44:10because I tell her all the time
44:1110 month old baby
44:12and he's looking after him
44:13feeding and changing your nappy
44:14in the middle of the night
44:15and you're on a crack pipe
44:16that's unbelievable
44:17and you phone the Jeremy Couch
44:19because what we're going to help you
44:20and then you'll turn your life around
44:21or you'll leave in two weeks
44:22and say oh I want to go back
44:23I'm not leave definitely not
44:24yeah
44:25what do you want me to do?
44:28send her away
44:30I think she's got the guts and the desire to change
44:35mhm
44:36because I think you know everybody's sick of you
44:38I'm not doing
44:39I don't mean this nasty
44:40but I'm ready myself to do it
44:42er
44:43come with me you two
44:47I don't think I've ever done anything like this
44:50in that the family look
44:52come here guys
44:53the family look completely battered emotionally
44:55by what you've done to them
44:57you look like you have some sort of entitlement belief
44:59like everybody should help you
45:01you haven't said
45:02I don't know
45:03you sort of say they know
45:04I don't expect any help from me
45:05I've done it all in myself
45:06I was the one who took the drugs
45:07but they've wiped your backside
45:08all these people
45:10she looks at you
45:11your kids would be in the care system
45:12you'd be another digit wouldn't you
45:13your kids would be gone
45:14be well gone
45:15you don't understand what
45:16you don't understand
45:17no you don't
45:18you say you do
45:19you're a ten month old kid
45:20you don't
45:21doesn't get to cuddle its mother
45:22because its mother's cuddling a crack pipe
45:24what the hell do you think people think
45:26come on
45:27it's disgusting
45:28I know it
45:29well stop saying it's disgusting
45:30you've done it for 12 years
45:31why don't you do this 12 years ago then
45:32and why
45:33sorry
45:34why would you know
45:35don't look at her
45:36why would you have a kid
45:37ten months ago
45:38why would you have another kid
45:39if you're on drugs
45:40cause I was found out later
45:41really nice
45:42to do that to a child
45:44yeah really nice
45:45what's today about from your point of view
45:47been the other day
45:49getting myself sorted
45:51for what reason
45:53my kids and my man that
45:55what about you
45:56definitely myself
45:57myself first
45:58Graham says that
46:01and he's right
46:02everybody should be given the chance to turn their life around
46:04and if we can do that
46:05to people then that's a good thing
46:07do you want to go to rehab
46:09a million percent
46:10come with me then
46:12bring your family
46:13are you going to put as much work into this rehab as you do
46:16looking for money for your crack pipes
46:18yeah
46:19it's an interesting comment isn't it
46:21yeah
46:22she manages to get that every day
46:23come and meet the legend that is
46:25come here
46:26come here
46:27Perry how are you
46:28hi
46:29nice to see you
46:30Perry Clayman from PCP of course
46:32Katherine
46:33hiya
46:34nice to meet you
46:35nice to meet you
46:36you're almost smiling
46:37I don't think I've ever known anybody smile as they come to rehab
46:40to be honest
46:41I was going to run to the car
46:42Perry what are we offering today
46:44today we're going to offer you three months residential rehabilitation at PCP
46:48in Luton
46:49where you're going to obviously have the detox first and then we're going to do counselling
46:54and therapy
46:55and give you an opportunity to get your life back and get back on track and you know have a relationship with these guys
47:04is that where you won
47:06definitely
47:07yeah
47:08say goodbye to your family but you know what I think sorry
47:10I can say a massive thank you
47:12thank you Perry you want to jump in
47:14work hard it's got about two years
47:15okay it's about three months work hard
47:18deep
47:20deep
47:21important
47:23think I've ever seen anybody who looks like they want to go
47:26sound you low
47:33Erin thank you god bless good luck my darling what you see you later go thanks very much go
47:35very much go I will say this though Graham and we do this and a lot of
47:43people are successful but a lot of people don't like to think that the
47:47person they love is going to go through the hard times and Graeme's right it's
47:50all about the detox but then it is very massively about afterwards and so you
47:53have to when the emotional strings are cool whatever you got be tough yeah
47:58thank you for coming on I hope that she takes advantage of what they've done
48:02alright my darling I'll leave you with Graeme thank you very much indeed listen
48:05out of time for this morning we'll let you know how she gets on if you want to be
48:08here you need help like that visit the website the details are on screen I'll
48:12see you very soon take care bye bye for now
48:32you