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00:00Everything is fine. Everything is fine.
00:05For those of us who predicted Warriors in six,
00:08this is the only thing that surprised me last night was how awful they looked.
00:13And, I don't want to make it just about the Warriors, how good the Rockets look.
00:17Exactly.
00:18They're allowed to play well. I checked. I looked at the rule book.
00:21They're allowed to play well. They did.
00:24Give them some credit. They won the basketball game.
00:27They won it going away. It was completely definitive.
00:30I do not think last night's game is in the room tomorrow night at all.
00:34I actually think, and we can get into this,
00:36I think some things happened in the second half of this basketball game
00:39that really set tomorrow night up for the Warriors.
00:43And some of them were a mistake on the part of the Rockets.
00:47And what we were just talking about, I firmly believe to be one of them.
00:50You can say that this is putting Shen Goon or whoever in an unfair position.
00:57When you are in the midst of garbage time and your All-Stars need to come back out on the floor
01:01and you decide, I'm going to go run across the room and protect Dylan Brooks,
01:08who has probably got three inches and 40 pounds on Pat Spencer,
01:14and you're seven feet tall,
01:15and you're going to shoulder the Warriors' 13th player on the bench
01:19to try to send a message in a game that you've won for two hours.
01:25I think it's a mistake.
01:26I think it's a bad look for Shen Goon,
01:28and I think it's a mistake because you get everybody's attention,
01:31including the refs, the fans, the media, and everybody heading into the next game.
01:36And I think that they have not set themselves up for success by that maneuver.
01:39Yeah, I don't see it that way at all.
01:41And, you know, I see the first part that you made a point about,
01:46I do agree with, and I'm looking at it here,
01:48where there's eight minutes left, and the Warriors have cut it to 17,
01:52and Udoka calls timeout, and it's Green, Brooks, Thompson, Van Vliet, and Shen Goon.
01:57And all five of you in, and the other five guys, you're out
02:00because we feel like it's slipping away.
02:03So that part of it, I do think, has some carryover effect
02:06because they had to go out there and still play basketball
02:09at the eight-minute mark, and the Warriors, they were chilling.
02:12Eight minutes, four minutes, rather, into the third quarter,
02:15Steve Kerr calls timeout, he waves the white flag,
02:18and that's going to be it for you guys.
02:20There's no more pods, but he actually had to come back in
02:23because Spencer got ejected.
02:25Somebody had to go in there and play,
02:26but I do think that part of it favors the Warriors.
02:30As far as Shen Goon getting into it with Pat Spencer,
02:33that, to me, doesn't really matter.
02:34That's a guy who was taking up for his teammate.
02:37Dylan Brooks got shoved out of bounds.
02:39No big deal.
02:40Common foul.
02:41We move on.
02:42And the fact that Shen Goon got involved in that,
02:45I don't think that has any carryover effect, in my opinion.
02:49I don't think that the Warriors starters who were on the bench
02:51are like, okay, now we're coming for Shen Goon.
02:53No, I don't mean that.
02:54You get to game six, and these games don't have carryover.
02:58The only carryover is the fact that they actually had to play harder
03:02to win that game.
03:03Right, but again, I agree with you there's no carryover,
03:07and I don't mean that.
03:08I don't mean like the Warriors were just going to lollipop their way
03:11through Friday night.
03:12Oh, but now they're mad.
03:14I don't mean that at all.
03:16What I do mean, though, is that I think you watch, gosh,
03:20if you ever watched Phil Jackson coach,
03:22if you watch any of the greats, Popovich, they will work the room.
03:29They will work the situation.
03:31Udoka does it also.
03:33You know, like Amin Thompson, I don't really think it's his role,
03:37but he was trying to do it after losing game four,
03:41talking about how the refs will only let Draymond talk,
03:43and everybody else is not allowed to talk out there.
03:46And I'm thinking to myself, hang on a sec,
03:48Draymond's leading the series in technical fouls.
03:50He's had a technical foul in every game except for one.
03:53So, no, the refs are not allowing this.
03:55Your head's kind of in the wrong place, and this is not your role,
03:58but it is the role of the coaches.
04:00And so what has taken place is it gets further feathers ruffled,
04:06and it gets attention into a spot where right now the Rockets don't want it.
04:12If you're the Rockets, you want to come out of that game with attention
04:16on the fact that, well, hey, actually some of us have learned how to shoot,
04:20and maybe the Warriors are shaking in their boots a little bit.
04:23But what's the entire nation talking about?
04:26The whole nation is talking about Dylan the villain again
04:29and his situation under the hoop with Pat Spencer.
04:34Who the hell is Pat Spencer?
04:36And, look, there's a golf ball in Steph's thumb,
04:39and are the Rockets purposefully going after it, and is it okay?
04:43That's what people are talking about today.
04:45That does not favor the Rockets the rest of the way in this series.
04:50And they would have been much better served to just keep it cool, keep it calm,
04:57and confidently ride your way through the rest of that game.
05:00But they didn't.
05:02They didn't.
05:02They got into a fight with a lacrosse player, a seven-foot all-star.
05:07And, again, I don't know if it hits us this way, but I was, as a Warrior fan,
05:11I'd be embarrassed if Draymond did that to the 14th guy on the bench, on the Rockets.
05:16I'd be embarrassed.
05:17Well, he's done things to non-stars before.
05:20No, I'm not talking non-stars.
05:22I'm talking to the guy at the end of the bench that's literally in there
05:25just to make the minutes go away.
05:27Like, come on.
05:28Draymond's never done it to a player that you've never heard of.
05:30Yeah, I just don't really see it that way.
05:33That's fine.
05:33You're making a case, and you keep disparaging Pat Spencer as a lacrosse player,
05:37and I find that to be lightweight offensive.
05:40I'm not disparaging him.
05:41I'm...
05:41No, you keep saying it like Pat Spencer.
05:44Like, you got in a fight with Pat Spencer.
05:46Correct.
05:46This is not a player who plays.
05:49Pat is a walking victory cigar.
05:52It sounds to me disrespectful.
05:54That's fine.
05:54I'm sorry it sounds that way.
05:56And I'm not going to cape up for Pat Spencer.
05:57But the way you're laying it out, for me, has nothing to do with anything.
06:01No, it has everything to do with who Pat Spencer is.
06:05He is not someone who plays minutes that matter for the Warriors.
06:08He's a guy who threw Shen Goon's teammate out of bounds.
06:11And that...
06:12Is he?
06:13He did...
06:13He fouled him.
06:14He fouled him.
06:14Whatever he did, Shen Goon saw it, and I don't think he was thinking,
06:18this guy's the 13th guy, I'm not going to react.
06:21He saw what he saw.
06:22He reacted the way he did.
06:24He saw a foul.
06:25He saw a foul.
06:26Well, what he saw was obviously something that moved him to where he wanted to get over there
06:31and be a part of what had occurred.
06:32And I think that's a huge mistake on this part.
06:34Yeah, I don't think that it's a mistake at all.
06:36I don't think that there's any carryover.
06:38I don't think that the nation is talking about Shen Goon saying, like,
06:42Shen Goon, he pushed a lacrosse player out of bounds.
06:45Houston, they've lost their way.
06:47Actually, nobody is really talking about, ooh, are the Warriors now in trouble?
06:51No one's talking about that.
06:52The national discussion today is about Steph's thumb.
06:56Are the Rockets purposefully trying to go after it?
06:58Is Dylan Brooks completely out of line?
07:01And this thing got chippy in the fourth quarter with a bunch of players on there
07:05who no one usually watches play basketball.
07:08Well, that's what people are talking about today.
07:11I don't think the Rockets needed it there.
07:13I don't think that is to their advantage.
07:16Does it matter to a Warrior fan?
07:18I don't know.
07:18That's up to you.
07:19But I'm going to say this both ways.
07:22If Draymond did that to the Rockets' 14th player, I would be embarrassed for him.
07:28I'd be embarrassed as a Warriors fan.
07:30A seven-foot all-star running a shoulder into Patrick Spencer because he fouled someone.
07:36Especially who he fouled.
07:38Quite frankly, the dirtiest player in the league.
07:40Well, then take it a different direction.
07:42Because Dylan Brooks, in this case, would be Draymond Green.
07:46If Draymond Green got shoved out of bounds by fill-in-the-blank Houston Rockets,
07:50let's just say Cam Whitmore, a guy who is their version for this year of Pat Spencer.
07:56If Whitmore shoves, or forearms, however you want to describe it,
08:00Draymond Green into the camera well, and then you have...
08:03Not what happened, but okay.
08:04Whatever.
08:05He fouled him.
08:06Okay.
08:07End of story.
08:08It's not even having this discussion.
08:10Because we see it different ways.
08:12You see this as an unethical foul?
08:14No, it was a hard foul.
08:15Okay.
08:15It was a push in the back, and Dylan Brooks flew.
08:18Whether or not he flung himself, or Pat Spencer imparted the force that caused him...
08:23For sure he did.
08:24Whatever.
08:25It's not even important.
08:26The only thing that matters for this discussion is...
08:28The teammate, in this case, it would be probably Jimmy Butler or Steph Curry, to run over and
08:36get involved with Cam Whitmore.
08:38Yeah.
08:39For me, it would be an unnecessary and an unfortunate situation.
08:43I'd be embarrassed for the Warriors if they did that.
08:44But I don't think that it's a big deal or a small deal.
08:48You don't have to.
08:49I don't think it's a deal at all.
08:50Yeah.
08:50You don't have to.
08:51But I'd be embarrassed for the Warriors if they did that.
08:54Like, again, to me, this is something that veterans wouldn't do.
08:58Like, this all happened in my mind because they're 22.
09:02Because you're 22.
09:04Like, Shang-Goon, by the way, if you wanted to kind of take the conversation in a different
09:08direction, I don't know if you've noticed this, there are a lot of Warrior fans who
09:13have, in this series, become more bothered by him than they are by Dylan Brooks, which
09:18is one hell of a horse race.
09:19My God, if you become more hated than Dylan Brooks, and it is.
09:24It's probably just because of the way he kind of flops around.
09:26Right.
09:27And his arms are always in the air.
09:29Sometimes it's because the ball's in his hands.
09:31Other times, it's because it seems like his arms are in the air on every single play.
09:38And I'm not saying, I'm not going to be one of these fans who's like, the Rockets complain
09:42and the Warriors don't.
09:43Brandon Pajemski's hands are up in the air.
09:45Yep.
09:45Half the game.
09:45The head goes back a lot.
09:47Absolutely.
09:47So, again, this is done by everybody.
09:50At the same time, though, if you're a veteran all-star, there is, I think, there's a way
09:57to go about doing this that puts you in your best position to succeed and kind of steps
10:03into who you are.
10:04Like, be an all-star.
10:05I'm not going to let Patrick Spencer fouling somebody, the dirtiest player in the league,
10:10get under my skin.
10:11And, in fact, make it not about that play.
10:14If I'm Shingun, we've criticized Luka for this.
10:18For sure we've criticized.
10:19And I saw it last night.
10:20Luka Doncic.
10:22I don't know how many.
10:22Did you watch the end of the Laker game last night?
10:24Oh, yeah.
10:24Okay.
10:25They were in a desperate moment.
10:28Desperate moment.
10:28And that dude drove by someone, got clear, blew the layup, and then sat there and talked
10:37to the ref while the T-Wolves, with a four-point lead, took it the other way and put a dagger
10:43in the Lakers' season.
10:45I'm sorry, Luka.
10:46You need to grow up.
10:47Yeah.
10:48That's an uphill battle.
10:50You need to grow up, and so does Alperin Shingun.
10:54Yeah.
10:54It does.
10:54Well, it's interesting, because I go back to last year, where Klay got into it with the
11:00T-Wolves guy, McDaniels, and Draymond didn't get in there and try to break it up, but he
11:05went right for Rudy Gobert and put him into a chokehold.
11:08Yeah.
11:08So you talk about all-stars making choices in the moment.
11:12But that's Rudy Gobert.
11:13Right, but Rudy Gobert was not doing anything to Klay.
11:16He just went straight to Gobert and got him in a chokehold.
11:19And Gobert is like, I'm not going to defend a chokehold, but obviously these were the
11:24high-level starters, and there was something going on.
11:26Right.
11:26But he's an all-star, and Draymond's an all-star, and he got right in there, and instead of trying
11:31to protect his guy, he went right to the opposition.
11:34And Draymond is Draymond, and we've all had thousands of conversations about his appropriateness
11:39And we don't know Shingun yet to that level.
11:41My point is not to say that if you're an all-star, you're not allowed to get physical with
11:45someone else.
11:46But if Draymond Green, McDaniels, and Klay Thompson go at it, and Draymond runs over
11:51to the Minnesota bench and grabs Tim, Tim, the guy who sits in the second row, I'm going
11:58to be embarrassed for him.
11:59I'm going to be completely embarrassed for him.
12:01So that's all I'm saying.
12:03I think Shingun really was out of line.
12:07Whether or not he got head-butted or not, this all happened before that.
12:10And so this isn't to absolve anybody else, whether it's TJD or Pat Spencer or anyone
12:16else.
12:17I thought that was an embarrassing look for the Houston Rockets to be in that melee, up
12:221,000 points at the end of a game.
12:24So if it was Jimmy Butler who did that to Dylan Brooks?
12:27Now we're talking something different.
12:28Then now you can do that.
12:29Now we're having a different conversation, yes.
12:32Absolutely.
12:32But because it's Pat Spencer, Shingun's not supposed to take up for his teammate.
12:36My God, somebody who is a foot smaller than you, who didn't actually foul them that hard.
12:41Right.
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