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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Shaista Yousuf
Guests:
- Naeem Haider Panjutha PTI
- Afnan Ullah Khan PMLN
- Senator Aajiz Dhamrah PPP
- Najeeb-ul-Husnain (Analyst)
- Azhar Ali (Former Cricket)
Who will be the "king's party" in election 2024??
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Shaista Yousuf
Guests:
- Naeem Haider Panjutha PTI
- Afnan Ullah Khan PMLN
- Senator Aajiz Dhamrah PPP
- Najeeb-ul-Husnain (Analyst)
- Azhar Ali (Former Cricket)
Who will be the "king's party" in election 2024??
"Awam Ko Poori Baat Batayen...," PML-N's Senator Afnanullah
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00:00 As-salamu alaykum and welcome to the show.
00:10 Today's question is from Shaista Yusuf. We have seen differences in the election system and complaints about the level playing field. We can hear a voice of the Kings Party. What is this Kings Party? Who is it?
00:39 What does Bilawal Bhutto say about this?
00:41 The Kings Party is not only present in Punjab but in every election in every country. But God willing, the Kings Party will be in the same condition as we saw in 2008.
01:04 So, Bilawal Bhutto, you heard what he said. Now, the people's party has taken a back seat. What is this confusion?
01:15 If we had gone to jail for 4 days, the rank of politicians would have increased. Our workers would have been respected. They would have gone straight to jail.
01:25 This is a new tradition. What message are we giving to the public? Nawaz Sharif's rank has been reduced.
01:32 Don't worry about this. We are hopeful and we are trying to do this. The people who are giving punishments are the ones who are calling out that we have given wrong punishments.
01:51 We don't need to tell anyone how the political rank increases and decreases. We understand this very well.
01:59 How does the political rank increase and decrease? Who is the Kings Party?
02:06 I will introduce all the guests who are here to talk about all these issues.
02:10 We have joined us by the Muslim League Noon Senator Afnanullah Khan.
02:15 Thank you very much, Afnan. You took out your time.
02:18 We have also joined us by the People's Party Senator Ajiz Hussain Dhamra.
02:23 Thank you very much for your time. We have also joined us by Naeem Haider Panjwata.
02:30 He will join us in a while.
02:32 Ajiz, I will come to you.
02:34 They say that snakes don't hide and don't come out.
02:38 Bilawal, who are you reminding of the 2008 and 2008 upheaval?
02:45 Bismillah Rahman Rahim. The political leadership always gives statements in light of the circumstances.
02:56 As far as the King's Party is concerned, I go to the talk shows and I am being called by a certain party.
03:08 The King's Party is always the party that is formed suddenly upon the election.
03:15 People from different parties are included in it and they are put in the field for the election.
03:19 The shock is that the parties that are formed suddenly are not stable and are not seen after the election.
03:29 You saw that three or four days ago, the Sindh government, the election commission in Pakistan,
03:41 they put a ban on the work of Sindh.
03:45 There were hesitations in the other provinces.
03:47 We said that the transfer of the votes was done in such a large number, it is your wish.
03:52 We said that the other provinces were affected.
03:55 But on the other hand, a political party is doing activities in the Punjab Governor's House.
04:00 It is doing its meetings there.
04:02 So, I think this situation is a problem and it needs to be fixed.
04:09 Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's expenses and this signal should be taken a little seriously.
04:15 Because we had said before that the election commission should do its work by itself and give the date of the election.
04:21 So, a party used to come to the Takshod and give the date that there will be elections in February.
04:27 And it will be in mid-February or first week of February.
04:30 Which finally happened.
04:32 The Supreme Court was after saying from the side of Pakistan, but the date came.
04:37 You used to hear that people from a party were upset with our request that the election commission should do its work.
04:44 And announce the election schedule.
04:46 So, it was said that there was no delimitation, how do you make these requests?
04:50 So, Mr. Ali, there was no delimitation yet, but the date has come.
04:54 So, the leadership of the People's Party has kept an eye on all these situations.
05:00 And it is obvious that by giving such statements from time to time,
05:04 it wants to tell them that the real responsible for the elections is the institution or the institution,
05:09 the election commission of Pakistan or the government,
05:11 that you should look here and there and prove your neutrality.
05:18 So, you are saying that the Kings Party will be seen in the elections,
05:24 but it will not be seen anywhere after the elections. Is that so?
05:27 Look, the past experiences are like this.
05:33 That to get a party to rule, you saw that a ship was sailing,
05:38 people were brought in it, then governments were made, all these things.
05:43 And if we go back, then in 2002, when the election was held in General Musharraf,
05:50 then the Patriot was made to stop the People's Party.
05:54 It was also made in Subhash Singh and in the National Assembly.
05:57 Ten MNAs of the People's Party were broken in the name of Patriot.
06:01 And in the election, Mr. Zafrullah Jamali won by one vote.
06:05 So, all these exercises during the election, I think this is a failed experience.
06:12 We should go towards reality and give an open field to the political parties,
06:17 that they go to the people, whoever gets the mandate.
06:20 And after the mandate, when some political parties come to the assembly,
06:24 then a victory is won between the parties.
06:27 So, the People's Party feels that the People's Party does not get an open field.
06:32 I have told you a little history, I have told you about 2002.
06:39 If I talk about 1997, then the People's Party got 17 seats,
06:44 that too from the Delhi areas.
06:47 And it was said that the People's Party was no longer a loyal party.
06:50 And the People's Party did not win any seats from the urban areas.
06:54 Therefore, the People's Party has now become a local party or a province party.
06:59 So, Mr. Ajay Zahra, you think that the situation with the People's Party is going to be like 1997.
07:04 Are you complaining about this?
07:07 I will tell you the past.
07:09 When you ask why the People's Party thinks like this,
07:12 we put all these past experiences in front of the people.
07:16 And I think that the situation is not that you will put the People's Party against the wall.
07:21 There is a public assembly and a province that comes to power for the third time,
07:25 every time there is an increase in its votes.
07:28 And after the 18th amendment, we have improved the province,
07:33 we have made institutions, in terms of health, road infrastructure, education.
07:39 We are ready to debate on this.
07:41 And I know that this is not the right time for a talk show,
07:45 that I tell you all the details of the province.
07:48 For this, you can debate, call all the political parties,
07:52 who have enjoyed the money of the NFC in all the provinces,
07:55 and the People's Party has put it in Sindh.
07:57 We are ready to tell how much we have progressed,
08:00 after the 18th amendment, after the NFC award,
08:03 all the provinces got the money.
08:05 But the thing is that what Sindh got from the NFC money, what did Sindh do?
08:09 So this is the whole situation,
08:11 which I will request all TV channels before the election,
08:15 in today's program, with attention, with ARY,
08:18 that keep a program in which you give us a time,
08:22 and in that all the political parties, which have been in power in different provinces,
08:26 one party has been in KPK for 10 years,
08:28 can't tell the name of a hospital,
08:30 in which free of cost people are being treated, which I call.
08:34 Okay, that means, Ajay Samrat, keeping the past experiences in front,
08:37 this King's Party thing, which the Pakistan People's Party is doing right now,
08:41 it has been done.
08:42 Let's get to know from Afnaan Ullah,
08:44 about this, Afnaan sir, it is being said that,
08:46 Niko Awami is our possession,
08:49 Mian sir has the road map,
08:51 Mian sir will start the journey of progress,
08:53 he has the planning.
08:54 So, despite all this, why is this King's Party label being put on, sir?
09:00 Yes, Bismillah-e-Rahman-e-Rahim.
09:05 See, if someone wants to put the King's Party label,
09:09 then they can, we can't stop anyone,
09:12 but the reality is quite different from this.
09:15 We, Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif sir,
09:18 was not allowed to contest in the 2018 election.
09:22 We were not allowed to contest in the 2008 election.
09:24 We were not allowed to contest in the 2002 election.
09:27 In 1999, martial law was imposed against us.
09:30 What happened to our leadership after 2018,
09:33 the whole of Pakistan knows about it.
09:35 Everyone was locked up in jails.
09:37 So, if someone says that,
09:39 it doesn't matter if it's the King's Party,
09:41 the people know this very well,
09:43 who is the king and who is not,
09:46 and the people have already made Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif sir the Prime Minister,
09:51 and they will continue to do so.
09:53 It would be better if we talk about it,
09:56 that we have made so many motorists,
09:58 we have made so many terrorists,
10:00 we have made so many poverty-age people.
10:02 One more thing, when a party wins,
10:04 it is called the King's Party,
10:06 but the election is still far away,
10:08 the elections will be on 8th February,
10:10 and then the winner will win,
10:12 but before that, the King's Party has already started.
10:15 One reason for this is,
10:17 if you try to remove the issue from the actual issues,
10:23 then the slogan is good,
10:25 PTI did this work very successfully,
10:28 instead of telling what they have to do,
10:31 what not to do,
10:33 they made non-issues into issues.
10:35 And this is the same thing with the King's Party,
10:38 that you tell us how good the situation in Karachi is,
10:42 or how much work has been done there,
10:47 and highlight the other issues,
10:50 so that we can talk about them,
10:52 this is basically a slogan.
10:55 They are saying that we are not ready to debate,
10:58 there is less time in the program,
11:00 if there is a platform like this,
11:02 then we will debate,
11:04 we will tell where we have invested funds,
11:06 and what progressive work we have done.
11:08 But there is no need to debate,
11:12 I will tell you what we have done,
11:15 we have built a motorway of 1700 km,
11:17 we have built a Sakhar-Multan motorway,
11:20 we have built a Lahore-Abdul Hakeem motorway,
11:22 we have built a Islamabad-Lahore motorway,
11:24 we have completed the Neelam-Jhelum project,
11:27 we have completed the Sukhi-Kunari Dam,
11:30 and we have set up 11,000 MW power plants.
11:34 In Karachi, we have built Jinnah Terminal,
11:39 we have completed Lihari Expressway,
11:43 we have built the coal-fired power project of 1400 MW,
11:47 in Karachi, we have built two nuclear power plants,
11:51 with the new Can-Up.
11:53 So this performance is what we have achieved.
11:56 But Abnaan Ullah, the government has also been your side for the last 16 months,
11:59 so you take credit for the success of the delays.
12:02 You don't have to repeat it.
12:04 I am saying that in the last 16 months,
12:11 you were the government,
12:13 and you have incurred such a huge cost,
12:15 so you take credit for it.
12:17 Our coalition government was there,
12:22 and in the last 16 months,
12:24 it is almost impossible to fix the situation.
12:29 We tried, but the country did not default.
12:33 And we are thankful to Allah for that success.
12:37 You see, a week after the PDI government,
12:39 people were saying that the country will default.
12:42 And if it had defaulted,
12:44 the situation in the country would have been very bad.
12:46 So, by the grace of Allah, it survived.
12:48 But there are still many challenges.
12:51 In the past, we have also faced those challenges.
12:55 Abnaan Ullah, you said that you were a coalition government.
12:59 So, people have the impression that you are a coalition government for 16 months.
13:03 So, the fight for the statements you are fighting,
13:05 is just a show so that no one questions you about the 16-month activity.
13:09 No, the thing is not that.
13:13 The thing is that why is someone asking about 16 months?
13:15 Why is no one asking about 2013-2018?
13:18 Why is no one asking about 1997-1999?
13:21 Why are we stuck on 16 months?
13:23 The PDI suits 16 months.
13:25 That is why we are stuck.
13:26 Now, tell me in detail, what have you done till now?
13:29 It is not possible to pick and choose what you have done for 2 months.
13:34 And that too, was such a broad coalition government.
13:36 It had all the political parties.
13:39 So, it was not easy to get into it.
13:41 Sir, the suffering of the people was so much,
13:43 that is why it is obvious that the issue is on these 16 months.
13:45 Because during these 16 months, we saw the rise of the dollar.
13:48 During these 16 months, we saw that the flour went up 100%.
13:52 Sugar went up, petrol became so expensive.
13:54 It was between these 16 months.
13:56 You did not let it go.
13:57 At that time, people used to say that the dollar is kept on a fixed basis.
14:03 At that time, it was fixed.
14:06 Now, when it has gone up, they say why has it gone up?
14:09 This is not the case.
14:10 The thing is that you can see the price of flour, sugar, lentils, ghee from 2013-2018.
14:18 Tell the people the whole thing.
14:20 Do not tell the people what the PTI is saying.
14:24 Okay, let's go.
14:26 No, no, Mr. Mahendra Panjwota.
14:27 Do you also think like this?
14:29 The way it is being said that they are allies in the government.
14:32 And the allegations they are putting on each other,
14:35 or the statements they are giving,
14:36 they are giving it so that no one questions their activities.
14:39 And the way Mr. Afnanullah is saying that why is the question of 16 months' activities being raised?
14:45 Why is no question raised on the activities of the previous governments from 2008-2013?
14:52 Thank you very much.
14:56 The first thing is that I should be answered this question.
15:01 When Imran Khan's government was there,
15:03 the best government, GDP 6.0 plus,
15:07 and the best country,
15:10 there was also investment, health card,
15:13 in front of you, there are thousands of schemes that Imran Khan started in his time.
15:17 So what was the need that that government was not allowed to be completed?
15:20 What was the need that the coins were put inside the house and Imran Khan was removed through mistrust?
15:26 Just because he said absolutely not,
15:29 but you supported America and you removed a government.
15:34 The second thing is that if someone talks about motorway,
15:38 that I made a motorway,
15:40 so did someone make a motorway with the money of their house?
15:43 Roads are also made, women are also made, commissions are also made,
15:46 we know what all is going on in Pakistan and what has been done.
15:51 Basically, no one thinks for the country.
15:54 They only come from abroad,
15:57 made money for power in the country and then went back.
16:01 Now you tell me that the investor,
16:04 how did he come from abroad when your country will have such an unwritten situation,
16:08 arrests will be made and the law will be violated.
16:11 Where did the 14th of May date go?
16:13 The Supreme Court orders, you do not follow the order and what is the spectacle of it,
16:19 but take advantage of it.
16:21 Today you see that PMLN is in Punjab or anywhere,
16:25 how many protocols are there,
16:27 is it their government or the administration is sitting?
16:30 And on the other hand, funds are being issued and on the one hand,
16:33 PTI is being completely crashed that bullets have been fired inside Karak.
16:37 You saw what happened in Sawad,
16:40 what happened in Mardan, in the Koran meeting,
16:43 yesterday in Gujranwala,
16:44 our former MLA was officially killed in his house,
16:47 he was picked up and everything was broken there and this whole thing is going on.
16:52 On the one hand, this is the same, PMLN has no agenda.
16:55 Nawaz Sharif was addressing the Jalsa that day,
16:58 he was looking at the big screen,
17:01 he was saying that Mr. Imran Khan reads the Tasbeeh,
17:05 so I don't do this drama.
17:07 If someone is reading the Tasbeeh or is associated with Allah,
17:10 what was the fault of that Imran Khan?
17:12 After him, everything was fine.
17:13 So what was he doing in this drama?
17:15 He only came into politics because the country knew that there was a law in the country and only his mission.
17:23 But look, Mr. Mahendra Panjota,
17:25 the cases against whom have been filed, the proceedings will be against them.
17:28 Okay, tell me what do you think,
17:31 do you think that there is a wave of leadership in Pakistan's movement for justice?
17:35 Because we are seeing that some people are in jail,
17:37 some people have joined other parties,
17:39 and some people have announced the independence of Pakistan's movement for justice.
17:43 Look, you have seen the independence,
17:49 when Mr. Khan's government was formed,
17:52 then the system continued and he kidnapped,
17:55 if it was Azam Khan or someone else,
17:57 or Saddam Hussein or Shah Mahmood,
17:59 the way he picked up the Qureshi,
18:01 then somehow put Usman on top of him,
18:03 and all the other leaders,
18:05 so what did he do?
18:07 What did he do with women?
18:09 Once there is a bail, then again.
18:11 You can't force anyone to hold a press conference and force them to do it.
18:17 You can't say that there is a lack of leadership.
18:19 People love Imran Khan with their hearts,
18:21 it cannot be taken out of the heart.
18:23 Do whatever you want, people are with him.
18:25 All the surveys he has done,
18:27 he will fail in every survey.
18:29 He will fail in every election.
18:31 I want to take a break.
18:33 Viewers, we will take a break,
18:35 and when we come back from the break,
18:37 we will talk about the new political unions,
18:41 and what is the need for a grand dialogue at this time.
18:45 We will talk about this, but after the break.
18:47 Welcome back after the break, viewers.
18:52 Whenever there is a difficult time,
18:54 in any era, there is a talk of grand dialogue.
18:57 And when asked individually,
18:59 what should be the grand dialogue,
19:01 everyone says that it should be there.
19:03 But when it is time to take initiative,
19:05 no one comes forward.
19:07 Some say that you should not sit with that party,
19:09 no one should talk to another party.
19:11 In this regard, yesterday,
19:13 Mehmood Maulvi said something in our program.
19:15 Let's listen to what he said.
19:17 People of PMLN are thieves today.
19:19 People of People's Party are thieves.
19:21 I will not talk to them.
19:23 Today, the 5-rupee team has come to the party.
19:25 Today, the 5-rupee team has come to the party.
19:27 We will talk to everyone.
19:29 If at that time,
19:31 when he was in his time,
19:33 he was sitting in Zoom,
19:35 he was proud that he would not talk to anyone.
19:37 If he had come down at that time,
19:39 then today, neither the country would be in this position,
19:41 nor would he be in this position.
19:43 You heard Mehmood Maulvi's thought.
19:47 Bilawal Bhutto, what does he say about the union?
19:51 We are seeing new political unions,
19:53 there are differences.
19:55 What does he say about that?
19:57 The alliance of the Muslim League Nawaz
19:59 and the United National Movement
20:01 or the Mohajir National Movement
20:03 will give us less loss
20:05 and more benefit.
20:07 The politics of Mullah Nafiz Uleman
20:09 is in the whole country.
20:11 It is also in Sindh.
20:13 We will continue to engage with them.
20:15 We will continue to engage with them.
20:17 Elections can also be fought together.
20:19 Elections can also be fought together.
20:21 We can also compete with each other.
20:23 So, Bilawal Bhutto is also giving the indication of unity.
20:27 So, Bilawal Bhutto is also giving the indication of unity.
20:29 Ajay Sadamra, we saw that the People's Party
20:31 has never united in Sindh.
20:33 Is it possible now that the People's Party
20:35 should unite in Sindh or other than Sindh?
20:37 should unite in Sindh or other than Sindh?
20:39 Look, the first thing is that
20:45 the conversation you just heard from the chairman,
20:47 he is absolutely right that the union
20:49 is being formed in the elections.
20:51 On one hand, there is a lot of propaganda
20:53 that the People's Party
20:55 has become deprived of the support of the people.
20:57 This is all propaganda against the People's Party.
20:59 This is all propaganda against the People's Party.
21:01 But it is a history that the People's Party
21:03 has never united in an election with any party.
21:05 But it is a history that the People's Party
21:07 has never united in an election with any party.
21:09 In fact, we fought the elections as a single party.
21:11 And the unity against us was formed in every election.
21:13 And then the People's Party
21:15 defeated the unity in every election.
21:17 And then the unity against us was formed in every election.
21:19 Although all political parties are respectable,
21:21 but on the one hand they say that the People's Party
21:23 is over, on the other hand they unite.
21:25 So, unity is also happening in this election.
21:27 So, unity is also happening in this election.
21:29 You are also seeing that the People's Party
21:31 is not at all worried.
21:33 As far as the dialogue is concerned,
21:35 the People's Party has always preferred
21:37 to win the debate, but fighting the election
21:39 and then coming to the assemblies after the election
21:41 and then respecting each other's mandate
21:43 by including it in the government.
21:45 In fact, the People's Party
21:47 has two sessions in the National Assembly.
21:49 So, the People's Party did this,
21:51 President Zardari Sahib,
21:53 that we also included the Jamaat in the unity.
21:55 I am talking about government unity.
21:57 That you serve your people
21:59 in all the circles of your two sessions.
22:01 And in my opinion,
22:03 if any party is worried about the mandate
22:05 in the upcoming election,
22:07 then it is a Muslim League blessing.
22:09 It is a big worry in Punjab.
22:11 That's why they are facing Sindh.
22:13 We welcome such alliances
22:15 and are not worried
22:17 because we will defeat the alliances
22:19 in every election.
22:21 They are not just facing Sindh,
22:23 they are facing Sindh very strongly.
22:25 They met MQM,
22:27 they have made MQM their ally.
22:29 They are meeting GDA.
22:31 So, sir, don't you think
22:33 that to make yourself strong,
22:35 you will have to align with someone in Sindh?
22:37 Or do you think that the People's Party
22:39 is so strong in Sindh that it does not need
22:41 to align with the PMLN?
22:43 First of all,
22:45 there is no doubt in what you have just said
22:47 that the People's Party
22:49 is waiting as a single party
22:51 for today, February,
22:53 that keeping the traditions of the past
22:55 intact,
22:57 we will defeat our opponents
22:59 collectively in unity.
23:01 And as far as you have talked
23:03 about the unity of MQM and PMLN,
23:05 then in my opinion,
23:07 two unemployed people have met each other
23:09 and they are saying that they want to shop for Eid
23:11 and both their pockets are empty.
23:13 Now, in the urban areas,
23:15 MQM does not have a mandate
23:17 if the PMLN thinks that
23:19 they will get any political benefit.
23:21 Nor does the PMLN vote in the same areas
23:23 if MQM thinks that
23:25 they will get any benefit.
23:27 This is the ground reality.
23:29 There is no problem in the rest of the unity.
23:31 If our opposing parties meet each other,
23:33 then there is no pressure.
23:35 But Ajay sir, if they have given you
23:37 a particular list of candidates,
23:39 can your party
23:41 make any alliance
23:43 before or after the elections?
23:45 After the elections?
23:51 You are talking about after the elections?
23:55 I did not understand your question.
23:57 Yes, yes, yes, after the elections.
23:59 Look,
24:01 this is the tradition of the PPP.
24:03 And from 2008 to
24:05 2013,
24:07 and after 2013,
24:09 the assembly gives the testimony
24:11 that we have our worst political opponents,
24:13 which are the functional Muslim League
24:15 of Sinsa Peer Pagaro Sahib,
24:17 and other parties, MQM.
24:19 We are taking precautions
24:21 so that we do not get involved in this chaos.
24:23 Because if there is a problem in this assembly,
24:25 then the other parties do not have the right to come to power.
24:27 We invite all the parties
24:29 to come and if you have a single condition,
24:31 then serve the people of your circle
24:33 and join the government.
24:35 We have done this.
24:37 That is why we say,
24:39 "We respect everyone's mandate,
24:41 and we want to get our mandate respected."
24:43 So, in Sindh,
24:47 we are ready to go into history
24:49 as a single party.
24:51 And there have been a lot of meetings,
24:53 GTA has not yet joined the PMLN.
24:55 Our people are being defeated.
24:57 Recently, the meetings of Ghotki
24:59 and Larkana
25:01 have been held in Tharparkar.
25:03 And our meeting in Tharparkar
25:05 will break all the records
25:07 of the meetings
25:09 of the people of the people.
25:11 God willing, you will see.
25:13 You are saying that the People's Party
25:15 is not going to unite.
25:17 Mr. Afnanullah, you say,
25:19 it has already started,
25:21 the Muslim League has united with MQM.
25:23 You confirm that the GDA has also united.
25:25 Is it done or not?
25:27 And sir, what is the reason
25:29 for this in Sindh?
25:31 Look, we have our own
25:35 party strategy in Sindh,
25:37 in which we are on-boarding
25:39 the major political parties.
25:41 And those who we think
25:43 can go further with us in the alliance,
25:45 we have on-boarded them.
25:47 And in that, we are also
25:49 talking to the party of
25:51 Peer Bhagara Sahib.
25:53 And we also want to
25:55 continue these matters with them.
25:57 And the other parties,
25:59 MQM and others,
26:01 we will take them all with us.
26:03 And as Mr. Zamira said,
26:05 we will also respect the mandate
26:07 of the people's party.
26:09 And I am sure that the People's Party
26:11 will also respect it.
26:13 It is very important to respect
26:15 each other's mandate for a
26:17 decent democracy.
26:19 And a decent democracy can
26:21 provide a decent economy.
26:23 As far as my brother, Mr. Panjota,
26:25 is concerned, he has said that
26:27 he did not build a motorway
26:29 with the money of his family.
26:31 He built Namal University with
26:33 the money of his family.
26:35 Or he built Shaukat Khanum with
26:37 the money of his family.
26:39 Or he used to give the health
26:41 card of his family to Imran Khan
26:43 with the money of his family.
26:45 You people sit here and
26:47 tell stories all day long.
26:49 If someone gave you land,
26:51 money, then you people
26:53 should listen to my request.
26:55 Tell me,
26:57 listen to my request.
26:59 Tell me,
27:01 was it a mirror effect
27:03 to raise the finger of the empire?
27:05 Was it a mirror effect to
27:07 make RTS sit?
27:09 Was it a mirror effect to
27:11 establish the constitution?
27:13 Do you remember the mirror effect
27:15 when you went to jail?
27:17 Or the effect of the 9th May
27:19 that Pakistan has made the whole
27:21 world to see the mirror effect.
27:23 You people should go and
27:25 teach the mirror effect to Imran Khan.
27:27 Do not come here and
27:29 do the mirror effect.
27:31 The one who has not
27:33 even come to the mirror.
27:35 I think let's come back to the topic.
27:37 You say that the new parties
27:39 that have been formed,
27:41 we are seeing that the movement
27:43 is purely parliamentarian.
27:45 In this context, the Pakistan
27:47 Party is now uniting with
27:49 the opposition.
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27:53 [Hindi]
27:55 [Hindi]
27:57 The people who will vote in the parliament, we will speak to them and we can on-board them.
28:04 I do not think we will have an alliance before the election, but after the election, it will be seen
28:13 who are the winning parties and then it can be seen during the formation of the government.
28:22 We want a broader national government so that we can on-board more parties to Pakistan's long-term economic issues.
28:36 We have already done the chart of democracy with the People's Party and we think that
28:42 we can on-board more parties in the chart of economy and chart of democracy.
28:48 This will bring stability in the national politics and when the national politics will be stable,
28:52 the economy will also be stable.
28:54 Apart from this, there are many other challenges that we are seeing in Pakistan.
28:59 Mr. Naeem Haider Panjot, what is your mood?
29:07 Do you want to form an alliance with someone or has any party contacted you to form an alliance with Tehreek-e-Insaf?
29:17 Thank you very much.
29:19 Mr. Imran Khan will decide who he will form an alliance with and who will be the party's director.
29:27 I have not received any letter from him yet.
29:31 Yes, there are fundamental rights violations in the country.
29:35 Arrests, the printing of Chandra Chardewari's holy items, the press conference, the kidnapping,
29:40 the sale of the business, the printing of the house.
29:44 There are many things that are not being done according to the constitution.
29:48 There has been a voice raised on this.
29:51 But on the one hand, what Mr. Afnaan is saying, what he is saying about the constitution and
29:56 the reference to 9th May, we are talking about independent investigations,
29:59 that we should be heard because if the police have filed a FIR,
30:03 then Mr. Imran Khan has always said that we should also be heard.
30:08 On the one hand, if the same accused is in the same case and tells us that he is guilty,
30:13 then has he given us a chance to do something?
30:15 He has always talked about independent investigations.
30:18 Mr. Mahendra Panjwada will make a judgment on this.
30:22 Tell us that Mr. Parvez Khattak had given an indication that he can form an alliance with Pakistan Tariq Insaaf in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
30:28 If such a situation arises, will PTI accept it?
30:32 Look, there is nothing in my notice that there is any talk about acceptance of his statement.
30:42 Mr. Khan will do it himself.
30:44 But the 97th person must also show his attack on the Supreme Court.
30:49 If we doubt, then the matter is turned around.
30:52 Our institutions used to say that these are mullahs in relation to the Mumbai attacks.
30:57 And when this happened in Model Town and the stage on which JIT was built,
31:03 as it has been done so far and there is no decision on it.
31:06 Here, Shabana's decision should also be made soon.
31:10 The lawyer's decision should be made soon.
31:12 We talked about the grand dialogue.
31:15 I want you to answer this question with a yes or no.
31:18 Mr. Mahendra Panjwada, do you think there should be a grand dialogue?
31:21 Look, if there is to be a dialogue or setting with someone,
31:31 then whatever Mr. Khan himself does, there is nothing in my notice.
31:36 Mr. Ajit Damra, do you think there should be a grand dialogue or not?
31:41 For the sake of this country's economy, you will remember that in the 2018 assembly,
31:48 we also heard the speech of Bilawar Bhutto Zardari and President Zardari.
31:53 Despite the 70 differences and despite the threats on the 2018 election,
31:57 we said that we are ready to talk to you to improve the economy of this country.
32:03 Whatever should be done, there should be a grand dialogue.
32:06 The doors of the People's Party are open for the betterment of the country,
32:13 but the position of the people's party with PTI is not the same as before.
32:18 Mr. Afnanullah, should there be a grand dialogue or not?
32:23 We are the architects of a grand dialogue in Pakistan.
32:29 We have also done the charter of democracy with the People's Party.
32:33 We have also done the charter of democracy with the People's Party.
32:39 The political unity that is being formed is getting worse.
32:43 This will be told in the future. Thank you to all the guests.
32:46 When we come back from the break, we will talk about the disappointment of cricket.
32:51 We are coming back from the semi-final.
32:54 Experts will be with us. We will talk about this after the break.
32:58 Pakistan is playing its last match today.
33:01 We are not going to the semi-final.
33:04 We are coming back home.
33:06 Why did this happen?
33:08 We have with us sports analyst, Najeeb Ul Hastain.
33:11 How are you, Najeeb?
33:13 Thank you for having me.
33:17 Najeeb, we did not reach the semi-final.
33:21 We are disappointed.
33:24 What happened? Why did this happen? Where did we make mistakes?
33:27 This is a long answer to the question.
33:33 I can tell you that we were not prepared for it.
33:37 If you are going to play the World Cup in India, you cannot spin.
33:40 You cannot play the spin.
33:42 This is a major issue.
33:44 Your team prepares for the World Cup for 4 years.
33:51 You have to see your performance in the rankings.
33:55 What is the benefit of ranking?
33:58 You were exposed here.
34:00 The teams that were coming to you were not full strength.
34:03 Everyone says that this is not your fault.
34:05 But your fault is that when the teams were not full strength,
34:09 you would have strengthened your bench.
34:11 You would have tried other players.
34:13 They would have got an option.
34:15 Your team would have been prepared for the World Cup.
34:18 But you were not prepared.
34:19 If you go there without preparation,
34:21 and you feed your friends and your favorite players,
34:25 this is what you will face.
34:27 Najeeb, we have seen many problems since the Asia Cup.
34:32 But we did not recover them.
34:35 We did not have any backup.
34:37 So, who do you think is responsible for this?
34:41 Do you consider the players to be completely responsible?
34:45 Or the team management?
34:48 The responsibility is on everyone.
34:50 First of all, it is the responsibility of your setup.
34:53 Your setup is such that you cannot grow in it.
34:57 You cannot prosper.
34:59 If you fix it from the bottom, it will be fine later.
35:03 If you talk about the Asia Cup,
35:05 we could see that it was already too late.
35:07 You cannot make such a drastic change after the Asia Cup.
35:10 If you had done it, then everyone would have blamed you
35:13 that your team was so good, it was number one.
35:16 Why did you mess it up?
35:17 And now look at the result.
35:19 I understand that when you gave them three years,
35:23 you played this team and this team.
35:26 And the result was expected in front of you.
35:29 If you ask any expert in Pakistan,
35:32 any former cricketer,
35:34 before the World Cup,
35:36 in his four teams,
35:38 then perhaps Pakistan could be a dream.
35:40 But if we talk practically,
35:44 none of the teams were Pakistan before the World Cup.
35:47 Because we knew what was going on,
35:49 what was happening,
35:51 what was the scenario.
35:53 That is why Pakistan had very few chances.
35:56 And Najeeb, this was not the first World Cup.
35:59 We came to the third level,
36:01 Duaon, Agar Magar, Lekin,
36:03 but did not reach the semi-finals.
36:05 What is the mistake that we are making continuously?
36:12 See, this is the mistake that every time the World Cup ends,
36:15 you have things just to show off.
36:19 We have been hearing a word since childhood,
36:21 rebuilding phase,
36:23 that now we are rebuilding for the next World Cup.
36:26 This is not the case.
36:28 You don't go blind.
36:30 Things are happening in front of you.
36:32 You have to see them,
36:34 you have to identify those problems quickly,
36:36 so that they are not such results.
36:38 What happens with us is that
36:41 we saw a player who has a lot of talent,
36:42 a lot of skill,
36:44 so we gave him complete authority,
36:46 he played with the boys of his choice.
36:48 I understand that it is the captain's right,
36:50 but it is not like that,
36:52 that you are playing with people of your own choice,
36:55 and you are taking them.
36:57 The captain will be blamed for this.
36:59 Obviously, Babar Azam is a very good batsman,
37:01 but his captaincy,
37:03 I keep saying that either you are a born leader,
37:05 or you learn from your mistakes,
37:07 he is not able to learn.
37:10 He is not able to understand how to play.
37:11 So you think Babar should learn from his mistakes?
37:13 Keep listening to us.
37:15 Former Test cricketer,
37:17 former captain Azhar Ali has also joined us.
37:19 Azhar Ali, thank you very much for taking out time.
37:21 The Pakistani team has not reached the third time in the World Cup,
37:26 despite the fact that according to ICC,
37:28 we have a top-class batter,
37:30 a top-class bowler.
37:32 Where do you think the mistakes have been made?
37:34 Whose mistake is it that we are facing all this today?
37:39 Look,
37:40 there is one thing,
37:42 which is called short-term mistakes.
37:44 We have discussed this in our programs,
37:47 that we did not make the team in the right way,
37:51 we did not make a backup.
37:53 But what Najeeb was talking about,
37:55 he talked about it so much,
37:57 that when we lose,
37:59 from childhood,
38:01 since the beginning of cricket,
38:03 we lose the World Cup or something,
38:05 the rebuilding process starts.
38:08 We do not start it in the right way,
38:09 nor do we take it in the right way.
38:11 I think the first thing that is important is that
38:13 you identify the problems,
38:15 as Najeeb said,
38:17 and to identify the problems,
38:19 your human resources,
38:21 the people who identify it,
38:23 should be the right personnel.
38:25 If they are only those who have their own agendas,
38:29 who want to do things in their own way,
38:32 if they come and do it,
38:35 it means that they will produce the same kind of results.
38:38 You have to identify those people,
38:40 who have come with a vision of cricket,
38:43 and you have to interview their vision first,
38:45 that under which vision you will take cricket for the next 4-5 years,
38:48 and you like their vision,
38:50 and they are going to follow that vision,
38:52 then give them time.
38:54 And the thing about the captain,
38:56 that we put everything on the captain,
38:58 it is because if you leave everything on the captain,
39:00 then it will be put on him.
39:02 But if you see,
39:04 whether it is England or New Zealand,
39:05 it is not put on the captain,
39:07 because they run as a team.
39:09 They take responsibilities as a team,
39:11 and work as a team.
39:13 It is not like they give full power to someone.
39:15 So I think there are a lot of things,
39:17 but after the World Cup is over,
39:19 don't do this,
39:21 that you make someone a sacrifice goat,
39:23 and change a few things,
39:25 and then you…
39:27 Okay, now let's talk about the sacrifice goat.
39:29 Azhar, we also saw that
39:32 during the World Cup,
39:33 the Chief Selector resigned,
39:35 and then there was a press release from the PCB.
39:37 Do you think that such incidents
39:39 also downplay the morale of the players?
39:42 See, Pakistan cricket is full of such issues.
39:46 There have been such issues in the past,
39:48 we also played cricket,
39:50 there were a lot of issues.
39:52 It does affect,
39:54 but when you are playing a match,
39:56 then your focus is on the match.
39:58 But I think such things should not happen.
40:01 I know when things come to the forefront,
40:02 if handled in a better way,
40:04 then it will not have such an effect.
40:06 But now all these things have happened,
40:08 but the thing that is going to happen in the future,
40:10 is that in the future,
40:12 you should do your decision making well,
40:14 you should do it in the right way,
40:16 whatever has happened, has happened,
40:18 now you should discuss this as much as you can,
40:20 like today's match or the previous matches,
40:22 now you should think about what to do in the future,
40:25 we cannot make the same mistakes,
40:27 we have not been able to do the same
40:30 since the last three World Cups,
40:31 and if we do not learn now,
40:33 then you will be taking my paper in the next World Cup,
40:35 and Najeeb will be talking about this,
40:37 and any other cricketer will be talking about this,
40:40 so I think we have to take steps,
40:42 and we have to stick to it,
40:44 we have to be patient,
40:46 if our vision is good,
40:48 then we will put 2-3 years, 4 years on it,
40:50 then our performances will improve,
40:52 and then we will have consistency.
40:54 So Azhar, like Najeeb was saying,
40:56 that either there is a born leader,
40:59 or he should learn from his mistakes,
41:00 what do you think Babar should do now?
41:03 Should Babar continue his captaincy?
41:06 Because when Babar did the press conference,
41:08 he was saying that because of the pressure of the captain,
41:10 my performance did not deteriorate,
41:12 so do you think he can carry both these things together?
41:16 Look, Babar can decide this better,
41:21 it is not good for me to give advice from here,
41:24 I think Babar knows better,
41:26 Babar should know better,
41:28 what is better for him,
41:29 what is better for the team,
41:31 he should decide accordingly,
41:33 and we should respect his decision,
41:35 and the decision that the BCB takes,
41:37 is the right of the BCB,
41:39 but I will not give any advice to Babar sitting here,
41:42 anyway, cricket is what Pakistan has to move forward,
41:46 so make the decision in the right way,
41:48 if a captain changes,
41:50 things will not be solved,
41:52 the next captain will be in trouble.
41:54 So what steps should be taken immediately in your opinion?
41:57 Look, immediately,
41:58 sit down and talk to such cricketers,
42:02 who are of the new generation,
42:04 I am not saying T20 cricket,
42:06 bring in new fresh minds,
42:09 who will give you fresh feed,
42:11 you see the same people coming again and again,
42:13 I do not disrespect them,
42:15 they have served Pakistan cricket,
42:17 you know,
42:19 the work they have already done,
42:21 the kind of results they have already done,
42:25 they will come again and again,
42:26 then they will make mistakes again and again,
42:28 we need fresh minds,
42:30 because some things,
42:32 people do not understand,
42:34 what kind of setup we need in National Cricket Academy,
42:37 what kind of domestic we need,
42:39 for the better setup of National Cricket Academy,
42:42 you think that we should sit together,
42:44 sit and talk and then decide,
42:46 Azar Ali and Najeeb Ul Hastain,
42:48 thank you very much for your time,
42:50 with this, allow me and my guests to leave,