Pat and Matt break down the loss to the Colts in Germany, and the decision to bench Mac Jones by the Patriots
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00:00:00 All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriot Nation podcast.
00:00:06 This of course is an instant reaction variety.
00:00:09 The Patriots went over to Germany and got smoked, not even smoked, just embarrassed
00:00:13 really, embarrassed themselves, I would say, against the Indianapolis Colts.
00:00:16 It's your boy Pat Lane, as always, my guy Matt St. Gene.
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00:00:35 Matt, we have a song that we're going to, that, listen, let me tell you something.
00:00:39 We just played in Germany.
00:00:40 If you're between the ages of 30 and 40, you should know what's coming, but it's a fun
00:00:45 song.
00:00:46 I don't know.
00:00:47 I may not.
00:00:48 Have you heard the song before?
00:00:49 Probably not.
00:00:50 You're too young.
00:00:51 I don't know what song it is.
00:00:52 Okay, there you go.
00:00:53 How about that?
00:00:54 Let's play the song, and then we'll get going.
00:00:57 This one goes out to Bill Belichick, Matt Jones, and the rest of the New England Patriots.
00:01:03 I don't know.
00:01:04 I don't know.
00:01:05 I let that thing play the whole time, but for those of you that don't know German, that
00:01:08 means you hate me.
00:01:14 How else can you explain what the Patriots are doing right now, other than they just
00:01:17 completely hate us?
00:01:19 Yeah, it's bad.
00:01:23 In some ways.
00:01:24 I feel like we have a lot to talk about, but in other ways, I feel like we have very little
00:01:28 to talk about because it's so bad that it's incredibly simple.
00:01:35 This team, they certainly hate holding onto the football and scoring points right now.
00:01:42 That's bad.
00:01:43 Yeah, it's just, I mean, that was one of the worst games I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:01:52 They couldn't do anything, and they were moving the ball offensively, running the ball, and
00:01:56 then you have some of those plays where the third down play, and I understand Demario
00:02:03 Douglas, I understand Demario Douglas would have been hit if Mack throws him that ball
00:02:06 across the middle on third and two, but make a low throw.
00:02:11 Just have him slide on the ground and catch it.
00:02:13 Three other guys open, too.
00:02:15 Yeah, Raimondo's wide open, flat, drives me crazy.
00:02:19 The other part of that play is that let's say that none of the receivers are open.
00:02:24 Mack's process is still bad because he locks onto one receiver from the start and never
00:02:28 comes off of it.
00:02:30 That's the issue here is this is something that has been there since day one with Mack.
00:02:36 A lot of the time, it seems like pre-snap, he picks one half of the field and will only
00:02:41 read out what happens on that half of the field.
00:02:44 It's continued through now.
00:02:47 That's always going to happen some of the time in the NFL with the way it works, but
00:02:50 he shouldn't be doing it as much as he is because he misses so much backside.
00:02:55 Think about some of the better games you've seen from Mack, too.
00:02:58 You go back to the Ravens game early on last year.
00:03:01 I know that he melted down at the end, but so many big plays in that game from when he
00:03:05 did look to the backside of plays and it was hitting Devontae Parker on the backside of
00:03:09 stuff that was making things happen.
00:03:12 That is just completely absent.
00:03:15 I think it's just one of those things.
00:03:19 No, you can't.
00:03:20 You can't.
00:03:21 Really, what it comes down to for me is that I look at him and he's supposed to win with
00:03:28 his mind.
00:03:29 That's the whole thing.
00:03:30 He's supposed to win with his mind and he doesn't and he hasn't.
00:03:35 We have two different timelines in my opinion.
00:03:39 I said it the moment that they did it.
00:03:42 Last year's Bears game when they started Mac for no reason, just absolutely no reason,
00:03:47 just a stupid, incredibly dumb move by Bill Belichick to start Mac Jones against the Bears
00:03:54 last year on Monday Night Football.
00:03:55 He's coming off an injury.
00:03:56 Clearly wasn't a hundred percent.
00:03:59 Bailey Zappi has been playing well.
00:04:01 There was no reason to start Mac Jones.
00:04:03 They started him anyways.
00:04:04 He came out and looked like absolute garbage, absolute garbage.
00:04:09 And so they benched him and they brought in Zappi and Zappi immediately took them down
00:04:13 the field.
00:04:14 Now listen, it was an easy pass to Ramondre Stevenson and Ja'Cory Myers has been the most
00:04:20 wide open I've ever seen a player ever.
00:04:22 And Bailey Zappi still almost missed him.
00:04:25 And Myers made an outrageous catch for a touchdown.
00:04:27 And so it was like, oh my God, Zappi's incredible.
00:04:31 It turns out by the end of the game, we all realized that Zappi actually sucks.
00:04:35 But if you had just started Zappi from the beginning and he had looked like that in that
00:04:40 game, you would have said, fine, no big deal.
00:04:45 Zappi stinks.
00:04:46 We're ready for Mac Jones to be back in again.
00:04:48 But instead you have Mac Jones in the first quarter after the first drive getting booed
00:04:53 off the field and they're chanting Zappi and cheering for, you know, for Zappi to come
00:04:59 in when Mac Jones is still on the field.
00:05:01 I think that crushed his confidence.
00:05:02 I think he's been a show of himself since then and he needs a complete reset.
00:05:07 And I think honestly, at this point we've seen enough of him.
00:05:11 I think he's going to be a really good backup quarterback, but I don't think it's going
00:05:14 to be going to be anything more than that.
00:05:15 I mean, at this point I hesitate to say he's going to be a backup quarterback anywhere.
00:05:20 The way he looks today.
00:05:21 I mean, because it's, you can point back to that game, but some of the stuff to me goes
00:05:26 back even before that.
00:05:28 The turning point in my mind will always be the Colts game coming out of the bye his rookie
00:05:32 year and how the Colts played him differently than other teams.
00:05:36 And he just looked shell shocked by it.
00:05:38 And they just kind of never, they looked good the first 10, 11, 12 weeks of that season,
00:05:43 whatever it was, came out of the buy.
00:05:45 And we haven't seen that Patriots team since then.
00:05:49 So I think it's that.
00:05:50 And I think, I don't know, you can, you can point to parts and do all the stuff you want,
00:05:54 but also I think it's pretty clear.
00:05:56 He probably never would have been the guy.
00:05:59 If things like this knock you off your path, then you're just not going to make it in the
00:06:04 NFL.
00:06:05 Life is always going to be difficult.
00:06:06 There's always going to be challenges to overcome.
00:06:08 You know, look at, look at the situation.
00:06:10 Trevor Lawrence got dropped into as a rookie with, you know, urban Meyer and an awful team
00:06:16 around him.
00:06:17 And he's obviously a more talent quarterback, but he's a better quarterback and he's made
00:06:22 it show.
00:06:23 And Mac Jones looks like the fifth, fifth quarterback drafted in that class right now.
00:06:27 I mean, the way Mac Jones looked today, reopening the question of who's better, Mac Jones or
00:06:34 Zach Wilson.
00:06:35 Yeah.
00:06:36 Which is embarrassing.
00:06:37 I mean, it does at that point, it doesn't even matter.
00:06:38 Like it's not even worth, it's not even worth arguing.
00:06:41 Right.
00:06:42 So, and look, I think too, like the big thing for me and the reason why I think he'll be
00:06:45 a good backup quarterback is because what you saw after he got benched for me is exactly
00:06:51 why he'll be a good backup quarterback, because you saw him get off the bench, high five everyone
00:06:57 on the offense, say, Hey, go out there and win it.
00:06:59 You saw him give, you know, give knuckles to, you know, give a fist bump to, um, to,
00:07:04 to Zappy as he goes in.
00:07:05 Like he is, he's looking at, he's supporting his teammates.
00:07:11 He seems like a good teammate.
00:07:13 Everyone on the field seems to like him.
00:07:15 Everyone in the locker room seems to like him.
00:07:16 He's a likable guy and he works his ass off.
00:07:19 And so like, from that perspective, that's exactly the type of guy that, um, that you
00:07:28 want to have in your locker room, but he's just not the type of guy you want as your
00:07:32 starting quarterback.
00:07:33 Right?
00:07:34 Like he just, he's not good.
00:07:35 He can't get the job done on the field.
00:07:36 And so like you want that guy in your locker room, you just don't want him as your starter.
00:07:40 And so I think he will be a good backup quarterback, a good journeyman back quarterback.
00:07:44 And it's funny.
00:07:45 He played against, uh, against Scarborough Minshew, where I think Minshew has, Minshew
00:07:50 is a different type of player than Matt Jones is, but it's, it's a similar situation where
00:07:54 he's a, um, where he's a guy that's, you know, that's kind of a journeyman.
00:08:00 You know what I mean?
00:08:01 And AJ, I know you may not think he's a likable guy.
00:08:04 Everyone in the locker room seems to like him.
00:08:05 So like maybe players around the loop don't like him.
00:08:08 So the locker room seems to like him a lot.
00:08:09 So like, and maybe they're just lying.
00:08:11 I don't know because he's the rookie because he's the quarterback, but like, I don't know.
00:08:14 Well, I think, I don't know.
00:08:17 The frustrating part with this is that I think you were kind of hoping that Mack would retain
00:08:21 some trade value and you can move on from, from him after the season and get something
00:08:25 back now.
00:08:26 And I mean, you're looking at like a conditional six or seven at best at this point.
00:08:32 We can talk about what this means for the future, but if he's getting benched the rest
00:08:36 of the way, I don't think he's got real trade value.
00:08:38 I think you're just cutting them and cut bait at the end of the year.
00:08:40 And I mean, really you look at this quarterback room and you probably need three new bodies
00:08:47 in it for, I mean, are you bringing back a single person from this quarterback room for
00:08:50 next year?
00:08:51 No, no, not unless the only, the only reason you're doing it is because they're cheap and
00:08:56 you just, you're going to have somebody take a spot, but you're not doing it because you
00:08:59 like the players, right?
00:09:01 Unless you know, we'll agree.
00:09:02 He gets the start after the buy and lights it up and you're like, Oh, okay.
00:09:07 He could be our backup quarterback moving forward.
00:09:09 But you know, that's, that's the only situation.
00:09:12 Or if you think Malik Cunningham advances a little bit and you want to try to try some
00:09:16 things out with him or whatever, but I'm not even sure if we're counting him in the quarterback
00:09:21 room.
00:09:22 No, I agree with you.
00:09:23 I agree with him.
00:09:24 So by the way, James, James is asking that he said he couldn't watch it live.
00:09:28 Should he bother with the full game replay?
00:09:30 No, no, you should not.
00:09:33 When it's, I think the first word, you look at the final score and what should end up
00:09:37 being 10, six.
00:09:38 Like obviously not a lot of offense in this game, but the crazy part is the Patriots actually
00:09:43 like moved the ball.
00:09:45 They did at points.
00:09:47 They had what Patriots did 340 yards and what was really nine drives.
00:09:54 So we probably averaging over 40 yards a drive there.
00:09:58 I'm doing some quick mental math and the running game got going by the best.
00:10:02 They've run the ball all season long and they just, you know, kept getting into decent territory
00:10:08 and then couldn't execute.
00:10:10 You got a missed kick.
00:10:11 You got max the interception of the worst throw I've seen a New England quarterback throw
00:10:15 in a long, long time and two field goals in there.
00:10:20 And one of those, I mean, one of those field goals, that was what they threw it on a third
00:10:23 and two and couldn't do anything with it.
00:10:24 You get sacked and they were not only with our guys open, this is something that annoyed
00:10:30 me.
00:10:31 I mean, you run the ball, drive, thaw, and the Colts on third and two or three or whatever
00:10:34 it is, put two safeties back.
00:10:35 It's a light box on third and short.
00:10:37 You've been running the ball the whole time.
00:10:39 Check into a run and they didn't do it.
00:10:41 And you try to throw into that.
00:10:42 And that's just, I also think too, like they, they, they were, they were things that they
00:10:48 did like, I don't know if it was that John, I remember it was that driver or another drive,
00:10:52 but like, it was one of those things where you like throw it on second down.
00:10:57 If you're going to throw the ball, throw it on second down and give yourself an opportunity.
00:11:02 Now it's third down.
00:11:03 If you run it.
00:11:04 I don't remember what play it was.
00:11:07 Cause second came across the formation and they ran it directly at the middle for zero
00:11:11 yards.
00:11:12 And I think it actually might've been, I think it might've been that, that one where they
00:11:15 took the sack, but cause he came across the formation and he was wide open in the flat,
00:11:21 but they ran it instead.
00:11:22 And it's like, dude, everyone's expecting a run.
00:11:25 You've ran it all.
00:11:26 You've ran it the whole time.
00:11:27 If the whole team is expecting a run, throw the ball.
00:11:30 No one's expecting you're going to have someone wide open on third down.
00:11:33 Sure.
00:11:34 You could still run it, but you know, for, for the, I think the most, most of the players
00:11:40 are looking for a pass on third down as opposed to a run.
00:11:43 And so I just think like some of the decision-making by the coaching staff stinks, you know, and,
00:11:49 and it's just, man, just bad, bad plays all around.
00:11:52 Yeah.
00:11:53 And it's, it's the same thing we've been talking about, about just like, they need to get so
00:11:57 many plays right in a row.
00:11:59 Yeah.
00:12:00 There were no explosive plays.
00:12:01 So the only way you were going to win this was by churning together, linking together
00:12:06 a ton of decent plays.
00:12:08 And they were able to do that enough to move the ball, but not enough to actually turn
00:12:12 it into points, which has been literally the issue for this team since week one.
00:12:16 Yeah.
00:12:17 And I thought the offensive line running the ball looked pretty good.
00:12:21 I think this is the best they've looked there in a while, which I do think had to do a lot
00:12:25 with probably with the injuries, the Colts have on their defensive line right now, but
00:12:29 still good to take advantage of it.
00:12:32 Yeah.
00:12:33 And they weren't good against the past, but I think you saw today how like sacks aren't
00:12:38 always an offensive line stat, not that they, they gave up some bad pressures in there,
00:12:43 but Matt Jones is supposed to win with his mind.
00:12:46 And there was one play the entire game where the Colts brought pressure.
00:12:50 It got home and Matt Jones stood in one with his mind and made a throw out of it.
00:12:55 And that was that third down to DeMario Douglas, which was a big play.
00:12:58 Now it was maybe one of the best plays of the game.
00:13:00 Outside of that though, it was just the second there was pressure, his eyes go down, he picks
00:13:06 up the football and he's just trying to run with a full panic mode immediately.
00:13:10 And you can't, you can't win with that with any quarterback, but especially not with him.
00:13:14 Oh, and that's the thing.
00:13:15 I mean, on that case, he play, he panicked for no reason.
00:13:19 He didn't even have someone in his face.
00:13:20 There was someone coming.
00:13:21 He probably was going to get hit if he stood in there, but like if he stands in there,
00:13:26 he makes, he makes the past, they win the game.
00:13:29 Like he throws touchdown pass and they win the game as opposed to, you know, him doing
00:13:33 what he did, which is just like, what are you doing?
00:13:35 I just, and I'm telling you, you said that the worst pass I've ever seen a Patriots
00:13:39 play a throw.
00:13:40 That might be the worst pass I've ever seen on any level.
00:13:43 Uh, anyone throw cause Secchi's by MC is the only guy in the end zone and he throws it
00:13:47 to the two yard line.
00:13:48 It's just awful.
00:13:49 Yeah.
00:13:50 Like the only, the only throw that actually comes to mind that could be in the conversation.
00:13:55 And I, this probably, there's probably some cam Newton ones that I've just completely
00:13:58 flushed out of my memory in there.
00:14:00 But the only one that comes close is like the Oh four Tom Brady one in Miami where he's
00:14:05 getting sacked and throwing the ball up, but less the throw and more of the decision.
00:14:09 Right?
00:14:10 Yeah.
00:14:11 This is just, I mean, that is one of the few throws I've seen in the NFL where I can genuinely
00:14:17 say if you put me out there, I could have thrown it better.
00:14:20 Right.
00:14:21 That's crazy.
00:14:22 It's crazy to think.
00:14:23 And so look, and as bad as Mack Jones was, this is one of the things for me, like when
00:14:28 you talk about the coaching and understanding the rules of the game and understanding the
00:14:33 plays that need to be made in the game.
00:14:36 And it's a small thing, but I, you know, I don't want to nitpick too much, but at the
00:14:40 same time, I feel like, you know, it's an indication of what's going on in new England.
00:14:45 There's a punt tomorrow.
00:14:47 Douglas calls Peter, everyone goes away, right?
00:14:51 The gunner makes a really nice play and knocks the ball down at the five yard line.
00:14:54 Now the ball bounces pretty much right at Douglas's feet.
00:14:59 If Douglas picks that ball up, he can run with it.
00:15:02 Okay.
00:15:03 And so this is a rule.
00:15:04 And I don't know if, I don't know how many people know this rule, but the way the rule
00:15:06 works is that once the kicking team touches the ball, the ball is dead.
00:15:12 However, it's technically like a violation to touch the ball there.
00:15:18 So however he can, like the Patriots can pick the ball up and start running.
00:15:24 If they pick up yards, the ball gets placed where they get tackled.
00:15:29 If for whatever happens, they fumble the ball, they lose the ball for whatever reason, the
00:15:36 ball gets placed back or it was originally touched by the kicking team.
00:15:40 So is that a big deal?
00:15:41 No, it's not in grand scheme of things.
00:15:43 It's not a big deal, but that guy touches the ball at the five yard line.
00:15:46 If pop Douglas picks that up and picks up 10 yards now, instead of being at the five
00:15:49 at the 15 and there is zero, there's nothing you lose.
00:15:54 Absolutely nothing.
00:15:55 Like picking that ball up and that is just, it's something that, and it's not a big deal,
00:16:00 right?
00:16:01 It's not like, Oh my God, but that's one of those things where the Patriots have always
00:16:05 been the smartest team on the field and they would take advantage of plays like that because
00:16:10 they understand the rules of the game and they understand the ways to take advantage
00:16:15 of those rules to be in their favor.
00:16:18 And that's a situation where you look at it and just say like, well, there's a perfect
00:16:22 example of a rule that frankly, not everybody knows.
00:16:28 And if you're able to take advantage of that, it may only pick it may only get 10 yards
00:16:32 for you.
00:16:33 May only get 15 yards for you, whatever the case may be, but that helps your team win.
00:16:39 And they just, they just, they're not doing things like that right now.
00:16:43 Yeah.
00:16:44 That's frustrating.
00:16:45 And there's like, it's on the coaches, it's on the players, it's on everybody.
00:16:50 And that's why, like, I think we've all known this for a little bit now and it only gets
00:16:53 more obvious every week.
00:16:55 There's gotta be a change in leadership for this team.
00:16:58 100%.
00:16:59 I don't, I don't think it's Bill Belichick's fault that tomorrow Doug Close isn't doing
00:17:02 that, but it's his responsibility to make sure the guys are ready to go.
00:17:05 And they just consistently have been missing on details for a little bit now.
00:17:11 And that's, I have confidence that if he gave, if Bill had unlimited lifespan and you gave
00:17:16 him 10 more years, five more years to figure it out, it would look better, but that's not
00:17:21 how this whole thing works.
00:17:22 So we'll, we'll see what happens.
00:17:26 I will say, I've seen a lot of complaining about the punt return thing and not having
00:17:30 a guy back after watching the offense today.
00:17:33 I do think their odds of scoring were higher on a punt block than on whatever short possession
00:17:39 they would have had.
00:17:40 I really didn't hate that call.
00:17:42 And I like being different and being aggressive, especially if you have something that just
00:17:46 sometimes you get like the blocked field goal you get against Miami with Brendan Schooler.
00:17:50 Sometimes that happens.
00:17:51 It's a risk.
00:17:52 And they ran, by the way, they ran exactly the same play last week.
00:17:56 I commended the Patriots for running the exact same play when they brought the second gunner
00:18:01 in to rush the punter.
00:18:04 The kicking team responded by bringing their gunner in.
00:18:08 So now Pop Douglas ran back and Pop Douglas was able to be back there with only one gunner
00:18:14 coming at him.
00:18:15 And so it allowed him to get a 15 or 20 yard return.
00:18:18 And so this week, instead of doing that, the Colts said, no, we don't think you're going
00:18:22 to block the punt.
00:18:23 So screw it.
00:18:24 We won't put that guy there.
00:18:25 And if that's the case, then, you know, you look at it and say like, all right, well,
00:18:31 we're done.
00:18:32 You know, like, what are you going to do?
00:18:34 You know, you can't put tomorrow, look, it's back there to return and have just a gunner
00:18:38 with a free release on him.
00:18:39 He's going to get killed.
00:18:41 And so I guess you could have had them, you know, go back there and, and what's it called?
00:18:44 It's a fair catch it.
00:18:45 But at that point, it's kind of dumb, you know, and you also can't leave that guy alone
00:18:48 because they could just snap and throw it to him.
00:18:50 Right.
00:18:51 So it is what it is.
00:18:52 Yeah.
00:18:53 So I don't.
00:18:57 It's just, you know, it is, it's a, it's a horrible game.
00:19:01 It's a terrible game and it just, it's disheartening.
00:19:04 Right.
00:19:05 And even like, so Minshew is not good, right.
00:19:07 Gardner Minshew is not a good player, but he's fun to watch.
00:19:10 At least he's fun.
00:19:11 Right.
00:19:12 I enjoy watching Gardner Minshew do this.
00:19:15 You know, and so I think that, you know, it's, it's one of those, it's one of those things
00:19:20 for me now.
00:19:21 Look, I think that the big conversation is what's going to happen next year.
00:19:24 Right.
00:19:25 I think we, we had the conversation about Belichick.
00:19:27 He's got to be gone.
00:19:28 He's got to be gone.
00:19:30 It's got to be new leadership.
00:19:31 You just, you can't, it's just, we've gotten to this point where I don't know what we can
00:19:36 do right now.
00:19:39 Is Marvin Harrison Jr. the guy?
00:19:42 I don't know where, I don't know where the problem is.
00:19:44 I'm not sure where they're going to, where they're going to draft, of course.
00:19:47 Right.
00:19:48 No, we don't know where he's going to draft, but I just, I don't see how you would have.
00:19:54 Yeah.
00:19:55 I don't think Bill would, if Bill was still around, I don't think he would object to drafting
00:19:57 like a Marvin Harrison Jr. either.
00:20:00 Right.
00:20:01 But I just think, I think it depends on who's there.
00:20:04 I'm not taking more.
00:20:05 I'm sorry.
00:20:06 I'm not taking Marvin Harrison Jr. over, over a quarterback.
00:20:10 Now, if you want to tell me, and I made this comment on Twitter and people did not like
00:20:13 it, but if you want to tell me that you're going to trade back from the number one overall
00:20:17 pick pick up a first round pick in 2020, an extra first round pick in 2025 and you know,
00:20:24 get more out of it as well.
00:20:26 Like look what the bears got.
00:20:27 Now I get it.
00:20:28 Yeah.
00:20:29 I understand like the bears thought they had the quarterback and Justin Fields and, and
00:20:33 whatever, they weren't sold in the guys this year and wanted to shut up the guys coming
00:20:35 out next year.
00:20:36 I understand that.
00:20:38 But still as you know, as someone who roots for the Patriots, like I look at it and say,
00:20:42 well, if you can get a first time pick in 2025 and a stud wide receiver, like they got,
00:20:48 you know, a DJ more and you know, other picks as well.
00:20:52 Well then that's, that's something that I would, I would explore.
00:20:55 I agree.
00:20:57 Otherwise, you know, if somebody, somebody wants to do something real stupid with a trade
00:21:04 too, like if you're, if you're at one or you're at two or whatever, and there are multiple
00:21:07 bidders for one of those spots and you can drive the price up, you have to at least look
00:21:11 into it.
00:21:12 And I think a lot, a lot here too, is going to be based on what happens in, you know,
00:21:18 January, February and March, your prep work you do on these guys and who is going to be
00:21:24 making the calls on drafting, whoever that decision maker is.
00:21:28 If you bring in a new GM, usually, you know, GMs are usually tied to quarterbacks.
00:21:34 When you draft a quarterback, your, your clock starts and you're only there as long as he's
00:21:39 good and your job is to build around, build a team around that quarterback.
00:21:43 You got a new GM coming in and it's scouts that he doesn't know and they're not sure
00:21:49 what they want to do at quarterback.
00:21:51 That's a situation where, you know, I can see the GM wanting to trade back, where it
00:21:55 could be advantageous to trade back.
00:21:56 If the leadership isn't going to be fully confident in whatever decision they're going
00:22:00 to be making for a position that important and somebody is willing to trade up to that
00:22:05 spot, you have to listen to that offer minimum.
00:22:08 Right.
00:22:09 Yeah.
00:22:10 And it's the other, and the other part of this for as bad as the Patriots are, if they
00:22:14 see one of those guys and they say, Hey, this is a Trevor Lawrence level prospect.
00:22:19 We think this guy is that good.
00:22:21 Then I think you're taking them because the other thing is look at the Jaguars right now.
00:22:24 They were awful and now they're, you know, probably going to be in the playoffs because
00:22:28 they got a guy.
00:22:29 Yeah.
00:22:30 And when that's, that's really what it comes down to is, is how good is the player, right?
00:22:36 Is he a generational talent?
00:22:37 Like I understand they don't have a quarterback right now, but you're not taking a quarterback
00:22:41 just because you need a quarterback or we need a number one QB.
00:22:45 So we're drafting one.
00:22:46 No, no, no.
00:22:47 That's not what you're doing.
00:22:48 That's what you do with Matt Jones.
00:22:49 That's not what you're doing this year.
00:22:50 Right.
00:22:51 So I understand you get a quarterback and you need a quarterback obviously to be competitive.
00:22:55 And I think that you do have a really solid defense, but I do think like drafting an offensive
00:23:03 tackle or drafting Robert Harrison jr.
00:23:06 Or something like that.
00:23:08 Right.
00:23:10 And then kind of, and then taking a shot at a quarterback in the third or fourth round,
00:23:14 I get that.
00:23:15 Now here's the other part, right?
00:23:16 The other part of it is this look at the Texans, right?
00:23:20 The Texans, the Texans went all out this off season.
00:23:23 They drafted CJ Stroud number two.
00:23:25 They traded their first round draft pick next year to move up to number three and take Will
00:23:28 Anderson and they bet on themselves and their young coach.
00:23:34 And now they're like pretty good.
00:23:35 They might, they know they're not going to win the AFC South, but they might make the
00:23:39 playoffs the way that they're playing right now.
00:23:41 Showing the way CJ Stroud is playing right now.
00:23:43 They're leading in Cincy right now.
00:23:45 Right.
00:23:46 Yeah.
00:23:47 Uh, they are up 20 to seven in Cincy right now.
00:23:48 So like, you know, that's a team that is a solid team and could realistically could be
00:23:57 a, a playoff team right away.
00:24:00 And so, you know, look, if, if you have that guy and you feel like we have to get them,
00:24:07 then you get them right.
00:24:08 And I don't, I don't really care what else is up there.
00:24:10 So it's just going to be a question as to, as to what is there now, listen to Caleb Williams,
00:24:17 Jake may that those two guys seem like they could be generational players.
00:24:20 I don't know for sure, but they seem like they could be.
00:24:23 And if they are, and you have an opportunity to take one of those guys and you have to
00:24:26 do it, if you don't think that they are, then you don't.
00:24:30 Yeah.
00:24:31 I think it's, I think it's that simple.
00:24:32 Um, and cause if it's, if you think they're that good, you're not, you're not trading
00:24:36 back because you don't know when you're going to be in a position to draft somebody like
00:24:40 that without having to trade up.
00:24:42 But if you think they are not guys that you think you can build around, or at least, you
00:24:49 know, it's like I said before, the internal stuff, does the GM feel like he can trust
00:24:53 the skepts and their evaluations and for his system and everything like that?
00:24:56 Those, these are questions that remain to be answered, but it's clear they needed a
00:25:00 different quarterback in there.
00:25:02 If it isn't going to be somebody they draft, and there's, it could be somebody that's taken
00:25:05 on like day two or something like that.
00:25:07 You need to sign anybody, a veteran or make a trade for somebody.
00:25:12 You need to do something because you can't, this right now, it looks like the worst quarterback
00:25:16 room in the NFL.
00:25:17 The only one I can think of that might be worse would be like the giants, but even Tyra
00:25:21 Taylor is better than anybody.
00:25:22 The Patriots have right now, even though he's hurt.
00:25:24 Yeah.
00:25:25 Which is crazy.
00:25:26 Yeah.
00:25:27 Um, so I also, they got an awful quarterback group here.
00:25:31 But I also think too, like if you're the Patriots, you have to look at this, you have to look
00:25:37 at this and say, it's, it's probably not going to be built though.
00:25:40 Check, make it in decisions next year.
00:25:42 No.
00:25:43 Right.
00:25:44 And so it's one of those things, right.
00:25:46 And I'll tell you what, right now I can't, I, I want so badly.
00:25:53 There's nothing that I want more.
00:25:55 And I'll tell you this right now.
00:25:56 There is nothing that I want more than for bill Belichick to get traded to LA and take
00:26:05 the charges to a super bowl.
00:26:07 That would be, that would literally would make my life.
00:26:10 It would make my life.
00:26:12 Right.
00:26:13 And the reason why is very simple.
00:26:16 Everyone wants to talk about Brady versus Belichick, Brady versus Belichick.
00:26:19 And of course, Brady went to Tampa and dominated and won a super bowl.
00:26:23 Right.
00:26:24 And, and played well, even when he didn't win the super bowls.
00:26:26 Right.
00:26:27 Well, let's struggle without Brady.
00:26:30 Right.
00:26:31 If he goes to LA and wins in LA, which I think, which by the way, I think is reasonable.
00:26:36 I think that's reasonable because the like LA has a ridiculous amount of talent and their
00:26:43 coaching staff is terrible.
00:26:46 And so it's one of those things.
00:26:48 And maybe Belichick will say, Hey, look, man, you know, I'm not still one days, Wednesdays
00:26:57 are banner apparently according to Matt, but nevertheless, I'm in a situation where I don't
00:27:01 care about this.
00:27:02 Right.
00:27:03 I'm like, Hey, whatever.
00:27:05 If he wins in LA, all of those people that are saying Belichick's a fraud and Belichick
00:27:14 sucks.
00:27:15 And it was all Brady and Belichick had nothing to do with it.
00:27:19 Shut the hell up because now you see what happens.
00:27:23 Right.
00:27:24 And, and again, I'm not sitting here saying that it was all Belichick because it wasn't,
00:27:28 but my opinion on that hasn't changed it.
00:27:31 In my opinion, they don't win seven.
00:27:32 They don't win six without each other.
00:27:34 They don't.
00:27:35 Period.
00:27:36 They don't.
00:27:37 And anyone that thinks anything differently is stupid.
00:27:39 And Bill, Bill will tell you, he's the first one to tell you the players win.
00:27:44 He doesn't win the games.
00:27:45 He's the coach.
00:27:46 The players win the games.
00:27:47 You have to have good players.
00:27:48 And he has failed at rebuilding the offense.
00:27:53 He hasn't failed at rebuilding the defense.
00:27:54 They've done a really good job of that.
00:27:57 They have failed at, at rebuilding the offense.
00:28:01 And that's a hundred percent.
00:28:02 That is 100% on Belichick, right?
00:28:05 Hundred percent.
00:28:06 But like, I'm not going to sit here and discount the last 25 years and say, well, you know,
00:28:12 I mean, that's, it just is what it is.
00:28:14 And for all the people that are saying that they have a stack team in LA, they do guess
00:28:17 who else had a stack team, Tampa, Tampa turned the ball over 35 times and still won seven
00:28:21 games.
00:28:22 So like, I definitely do not think LA has a stacks team.
00:28:26 I think that roster is overrated.
00:28:29 I don't even think, I don't even know if I think that defense is that good.
00:28:32 I think they got a lot of, a lot of stars.
00:28:34 I mean, I think offensively stacked.
00:28:36 Yeah.
00:28:37 Oh, they got Herbert, but their, their receivers are New England's, but like slightly better.
00:28:45 They just can't stretch the field.
00:28:47 Yeah.
00:28:48 I don't know.
00:28:50 I just, I want him so bad.
00:28:52 I want him so bad to go somewhere else and be successful.
00:28:55 That's all I want.
00:28:56 I think the funniest outcome for Bill is if he went and spent like four years at Rutgers
00:29:01 or something and won a college championship with them and then wrote off into the sunset.
00:29:05 Yeah.
00:29:06 Hey, I'd be all right with that.
00:29:07 I'd be okay with that too.
00:29:08 I don't, honestly, it doesn't even matter.
00:29:10 I just want him to succeed somewhere else so that all the people taking everything from
00:29:14 the last 25 years away from him can, you know, can shut the hell up and move on to something
00:29:19 else, you know, that's all.
00:29:21 Yeah.
00:29:22 Yep.
00:29:23 All right.
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00:30:57 The play ended up getting actually wiped off the board, but Ambry Thomas, I believe, recovered
00:31:02 a fumble, returned it all the way back for a touchdown.
00:31:05 And like he was two yards into the end zone and Lawrence like dove at the back of his
00:31:09 legs.
00:31:10 And they were like, what are you doing dude?
00:31:13 Speaking of that AFC South, Houston's taking it to the Bengals right now.
00:31:17 I don't know if this is necessarily the Jaguars division to lose here.
00:31:24 We got interesting stuff happening down there, but yeah, just going back to the actual game
00:31:30 today.
00:31:31 I think one of the observations I had, and this is the same observation I had last week.
00:31:36 Look at the cornerback rotation.
00:31:38 Did you notice when it was Sean Wade in there or when it was Jack Jones in there?
00:31:42 Not at all.
00:31:43 And a matter of fact, I think Sean, I think Sean, we've made some really nice plays, certainly
00:31:46 in the run game or at least, you know, tackling wise, I thought he played pretty well.
00:31:50 Yep.
00:31:51 Which I think that what that tells me right there is if we're looking at what coaches
00:31:56 are staying for next year, I want to keep the secondary guys.
00:32:00 I think they've done a very good job coaching.
00:32:01 I agree.
00:32:02 Yeah.
00:32:03 Mike Pellegrino, I think is the coach, right?
00:32:05 Like he's a guy I think should stay.
00:32:08 Right.
00:32:09 And so I think he's done a nice job and not just that, but I also think that, you know,
00:32:14 he is Sean Wade himself, I think has really come a long way.
00:32:18 I mean, he's a guy that was, I mean, just God awful when they first had him and couldn't
00:32:25 cover anyone.
00:32:26 And, you know, it became a situation where, um, where he's, he's playing pretty well
00:32:32 now.
00:32:33 So we'll see.
00:32:34 And so, but I think too, like you start looking at it and then asking the questions, right?
00:32:39 Like is J because, uh, low 23 just said, you know, cut JC Jackson.
00:32:44 We don't need him.
00:32:45 I mean, like, yeah, I mean, you know, supposedly the report was.
00:32:48 The JC Jackson didn't miss curfew.
00:32:50 He just literally didn't show up at the hotel, uh, on Saturday before the game.
00:32:53 So like, that's, that's one of those things too, where it's like, man, like that's not
00:32:59 good.
00:33:00 That's not really not good.
00:33:02 Um, so I'm honestly surprised he's still on the team after that, given his play as well.
00:33:08 And it was like no cost to cut him.
00:33:10 Um, I think that says a lot about, you know, they got, they just need the bodies right
00:33:14 now, but they also just signed that Alex Austin kid.
00:33:17 So that's true.
00:33:18 We got a bi-week coming up here and I'm very curious to see what happens coming out of
00:33:22 it.
00:33:23 Yeah.
00:33:24 Or there's going to be a lot of changes.
00:33:25 You have to think they go with a different quarterback.
00:33:27 I hope, I hope that it's not, um, Bailey's Abby because I think savvy stinks and I'm,
00:33:33 I'm just not excited to watch him play to be completely honest with you, but whatever,
00:33:37 fine.
00:33:38 It doesn't matter.
00:33:39 It just doesn't matter who the quarterback is.
00:33:41 It's not, it's not going to make any difference here.
00:33:43 And I was firmly on that at least let Mack play out the season until that last pick,
00:33:48 which is again, one of the worst threads we've ever seen.
00:33:50 And you can't, you can't put him back out there after that.
00:33:54 That's why he got benched.
00:33:55 Like that's, that's a throw so bad that you cannot trust him to execute even the most
00:34:00 basic, basic, basic parts of an offense.
00:34:03 And Bailey's Abby went in and threw a pick to and blaming the refs or whatever it was.
00:34:08 Zappy is not good, but you can't have any faith in your offense whatsoever with that
00:34:13 version of Mac Jones out there.
00:34:14 You just can't do it.
00:34:15 And you got to buy here.
00:34:16 If you're going to have, if you're going to switch quarterbacks, this is the time to do
00:34:19 it.
00:34:20 A hundred percent.
00:34:21 And look, they had five incomplete, he had five incompletions, which is crazy to say
00:34:23 like Mac Jones had five incompletions and it's one of the worst games I've ever seen
00:34:27 him play.
00:34:28 Like, and he's been bad at times, but like he was just, the decision-making was so poor.
00:34:33 The ball placement at times is like, what are you, what are you even looking at, man?
00:34:37 And so, you know, it's just, it's tough.
00:34:40 And again, you get that situation.
00:34:41 I am working on, I've been saying I'm working on an article, but it is coming out during
00:34:44 the bike week about, you know, how, how much they've invested into the offense.
00:34:50 And it just hasn't worked.
00:34:51 Everything they've done has been a disaster.
00:34:54 They have tried, they've tried in their defense.
00:34:56 They've really tried.
00:34:58 They've spent and spent and spent.
00:35:00 They've traded a first round pick a second round pick and a third round pick for wide
00:35:03 receivers.
00:35:04 They've drafted a wide receiver.
00:35:06 The first round pick the draft, the wide receiver, the second round pick, they've drafted a wide
00:35:08 receiver.
00:35:09 They've done a million different things.
00:35:11 None of it has worked.
00:35:12 They spent a ton of money on tight end on wide receiver.
00:35:16 They've spent, you know, some money on offensive line.
00:35:18 They've drafted a quarterback in the first round.
00:35:20 They've done all of these things and every single thing has failed.
00:35:25 And so like, you know, it just, unfortunately that's just where they're at right now.
00:35:30 Right.
00:35:31 And it's talent evaluation.
00:35:32 And I also too think not just talent evaluation, but like what Belichick always excelled at
00:35:39 was not asking guys to do things they weren't good at.
00:35:42 He never asked them to do something they couldn't do.
00:35:46 And I just feel like that's happening less and less now that like the more I'm watching
00:35:51 this team, the more they're asking guys to do things that they're just not that good
00:35:55 at.
00:35:56 And maybe you don't have a choice, but like it's hard.
00:36:00 Well I think it's the combination of things.
00:36:01 I think they're not good at evaluating what these guys are good at and then they're putting
00:36:05 them in spots where they have to do things they're not good at.
00:36:08 Right.
00:36:09 And that's been an issue with the free agents they've picked up and they're drafting and
00:36:12 all that.
00:36:13 And some of it is probably just bad luck, but at a certain point you need new leadership
00:36:18 in there to go for it.
00:36:20 And Bill Belichick's the goat.
00:36:23 This is going to be his final swan song in New England.
00:36:26 Even if you, regardless of how you feel about it too, I think it's pretty clear from just
00:36:30 the crafts and their attitudes right now.
00:36:33 I mean, it seemed like the attitude before the season was playoffs or bust here.
00:36:38 And I'm sure if there could have been some wiggle room on that, depending on how things
00:36:43 happened.
00:36:44 But this team is, you know, if they play like this every week, they're going to have a real
00:36:48 shot at the number one overall pick like that.
00:36:52 And if that's where you are, it's hard.
00:36:54 It's hard to keep any coach under those circumstances.
00:36:57 Also I would mention how the Texans were taking it to the Bengals.
00:37:02 The Bengals have scored 10 quick points since I said that.
00:37:04 And it's now a three point game.
00:37:06 The 64 year test on his March, Ace with Joe, by the love of your March, Ace or you know
00:37:11 what though that play is created by Joe Barrow, extending plays, rolling to his left and then
00:37:16 throwing the ball 40 yards downfield, the Jamar chase.
00:37:18 So if that's Mack Jones back there, he's either a turtling in for a sack or throwing it across
00:37:25 the field.
00:37:26 There is no throwing an interception like a hundred percent.
00:37:29 There's never happening.
00:37:30 So you know, it's tough.
00:37:34 It's hard.
00:37:35 So my dad was at the game.
00:37:37 And as I said, I've said it on the podcast before, but they are over there.
00:37:40 They went to the game.
00:37:41 They had a lot of fun.
00:37:42 Luckily, they turned it into a whole two week long trip.
00:37:45 So the whole trip wasn't just based on the game.
00:37:48 Thank God.
00:37:50 But you know, it is, they had fun.
00:37:53 The game sucked, but they had a lot of fun when they were there and it was cool to be
00:37:57 in the atmosphere and how, you know, the German fans are just fans of football.
00:38:01 You know what I mean?
00:38:02 So but it's you know, it was fun at least to be over there, I'm sure.
00:38:09 And that's even have Matt Slater said, you know, we had a lot of fun in Germany until
00:38:12 the game started.
00:38:13 You know, like it's just the environment look incredible to I hope they get a chance to
00:38:18 go back there with a better team.
00:38:20 Right.
00:38:21 At some point, I agree.
00:38:22 That would be nice.
00:38:23 That's the other thing, too.
00:38:25 We talk about even in this game, you know, the Patriots able to move the ball and do
00:38:28 some stuff in this game.
00:38:29 Like it wasn't it wasn't all bad.
00:38:32 They actually had real chances to win this game.
00:38:35 And then you look at what the Colts are, how bad that team is.
00:38:39 And it's like they're a bad, bad, bad defense or twenty ninth and points allowed.
00:38:43 And they were down to defensive lineman, I think, for most of the game today to their
00:38:47 best players.
00:38:48 And that's all you could do on offense.
00:38:51 And the Colts offense has actually been, you know, pretty good this year.
00:38:54 They've scored on people.
00:38:55 So credit to the defense for holding them.
00:38:57 But, you know, a lot of that felt like Gardner Minshew missing more than anything else.
00:39:02 Yeah.
00:39:03 And I think it says I looked at the three biggest plays by expected points added in
00:39:08 this game where the Mac Jones interception, the Gardner Minshew interception to Miles
00:39:13 Bryant.
00:39:14 Very nice to see.
00:39:16 And the Chad Ryland missed kick.
00:39:19 And yeah, that feels but how the game went.
00:39:22 You know, the three biggest mistakes were the things that.
00:39:25 Right.
00:39:26 The outcome the most and Patriots had to go.
00:39:28 Right.
00:39:29 And here's the thing with Ryland, right?
00:39:30 It was a bad play.
00:39:31 It was a bad play by Ryland.
00:39:34 Obviously can't miss a field goal from that close, clearly.
00:39:37 But like, you know, then I see people and oh, I was keep Nick Fulker, Jess, someone
00:39:41 else in the fourth.
00:39:42 I think, dude, would you stop?
00:39:43 Chad?
00:39:44 Ryland's been pretty good this year.
00:39:45 Like he's been he's been amazing.
00:39:46 He's been pretty good.
00:39:47 And I think good enough, at least that we can look back at that pick and say, all right,
00:39:52 seems like they got someone here.
00:39:53 Price Berenger didn't have the best day punting.
00:39:55 I know he kicked a lot of, you know, he kicked some balls deep, but like, well, you know,
00:40:02 so like it doesn't really matter that he kicked them super far.
00:40:05 They went to the end zone.
00:40:06 So, you know, it's just it is what it is.
00:40:08 And I think ultimately that ultimately I don't mind both those picks because it seems like
00:40:13 those guys are going to be players that you can depend on in the future.
00:40:17 Well, I also think, you know, it was it was one of those where you kind of knew you had
00:40:23 to move on.
00:40:24 I mean, the dog is old and was struggling to kick in the elements, was struggling to
00:40:28 kick anything with distance.
00:40:30 And you know, in New England, you need to be able to do both of those things.
00:40:35 And the punting situation was awful.
00:40:37 We knew they needed to do guys have both of those.
00:40:38 They drafted the second best kicker, really only because of the best kicker was a guy
00:40:43 who went in the third round in San Francisco, went way up to get him.
00:40:47 They drafted a punter they were comfortable with.
00:40:48 It was time to move on.
00:40:50 And I think by draft evaluation, those were the right moves.
00:40:52 It might not work out, but yeah, Mike Reese had an article before the season talking about
00:40:56 how the last time a team had a rookie kicker and rookie punter at the same time, I think
00:41:01 was two thousand Raiders, doesn't one Raiders with it was Lekler and Janikowski.
00:41:08 I want to have I'm stretching my memory here, but that was a team that struggled a bit on
00:41:14 special teams.
00:41:15 Rookie special teamers always struggle a little bit.
00:41:18 And I think it was probably reasonable to expect that having a rookie kicker, there's
00:41:23 probably going to be a game where he either costs you it or he puts you in a worse spot
00:41:29 than you would have liked, which I think is where this this one falls for you.
00:41:33 And you have to you have to play through those.
00:41:35 And we'll see how Rylan bounces back here.
00:41:37 I'm not I think he's been a little bit disappointing relative to expectations, but also, you know,
00:41:43 nothing, nothing crazy, I think, about the norm for a rookie kicker.
00:41:46 And we're going to see what happens next year.
00:41:48 Yeah, yeah, I agree.
00:41:50 And that's, you know, look, I mean, we can criticize everything they did, but, you know,
00:41:55 it just it is what it is at a certain point.
00:41:57 I will say from the on the positive side, I do think that we saw John Bentley play significantly
00:42:07 better last year and then continue to play well this year.
00:42:11 And John Bentley, of course, is out.
00:42:14 But now to see July to buy playing well in his spot as well, I thought was encouraging
00:42:23 to like to buy as a guy that, you know, really was only, you know, was just a run stuffing
00:42:29 guy.
00:42:30 And he played extremely well in the past today.
00:42:32 I thought he obviously had that tip pass that ended up being the miles by an interception.
00:42:37 He's looked consistently better over and over and over again every week.
00:42:41 And so, you know, I feel I feel the same way.
00:42:45 Matt points out that why isn't Mapu playing linebacker alongside Devine?
00:42:48 He should be.
00:42:49 I thought Matt Wilson actually played OK today.
00:42:51 But I got right.
00:42:55 So I just I don't understand why they why they refused to put Mapu at linebacker.
00:42:59 But when I think at this point, it's kind of tough to play him there because he's obviously
00:43:05 slimmed down.
00:43:06 Obviously, it seems like they asked him to lose weight and play more in the secondary.
00:43:11 You can't you can't flip that switch in a biweek and convert him back to a full time
00:43:16 linebacker right now.
00:43:18 I don't think you could you could just play him more there and understand that there's
00:43:21 going to be some struggles that come with it.
00:43:24 I mean, I've sat on here.
00:43:25 I personally don't hate the Mapu at safety thing.
00:43:28 I liked his instincts there.
00:43:30 And I think safety is a little bit easier for a rookie than linebacker.
00:43:33 But yeah, before before the season, I think it was better to pick one of them for now
00:43:39 before the season I would have picked the backer because I did think his instincts were
00:43:43 a little bit stronger there.
00:43:45 I didn't hate that move.
00:43:46 Yeah, that's I was thinking about this, by the way, last night.
00:43:50 And I think one of the things that's gone underrated in New England, the team, at least
00:43:55 like in my memory, hasn't really had bad linebackers.
00:43:58 They got Natalie and Devine now that Hightower they had Jamie Collins.
00:44:02 They had Gerard Mayo.
00:44:03 They had Teddy Breschke.
00:44:04 You know, they got this this whole long line of guys.
00:44:07 And even, you know, guys like a Landon Roberts in there.
00:44:10 And Ted Johnson was a beast back in the day.
00:44:13 A lot of guys that linebacker have been very good.
00:44:17 That's a spot that's hard to evaluate.
00:44:21 And you see teams really struggle to get good linebackers in.
00:44:24 And, you know, it's that's a spot where the Patriots have always been good.
00:44:28 I don't think we talk about that that much.
00:44:30 Yeah.
00:44:31 Now, Kyle Van Nooyen, you know, look, I mean, I think one of the guys keep talking about
00:44:36 linebackers, I guess.
00:44:37 One of the guys on the negative side for me is no Texans just scored another touchdown.
00:44:42 One of the guys on the negative side for me is Josh Usha has been invisible.
00:44:48 Casper the ghost out there.
00:44:50 He just he's done nothing.
00:44:52 And it's not like he's getting double and triple teamed.
00:44:55 He's going one on one against guys and can't win.
00:44:58 And that's, you know, I'm looking at that saying like, all right, he was supposed to
00:45:02 get a big contract at the end of the season.
00:45:04 I can't imagine he gets anything because he can't play the run, can't do it, can't play
00:45:10 the run.
00:45:11 And so.
00:45:12 You know, what does he bring if he's not rushing the passer?
00:45:16 And when you have Matthew Drew on the other side and everyone's focused on Judon on one
00:45:19 side, well, sure, it's a little bit easier to get after the passer in that situation.
00:45:24 When he should have won pass rusher, you're in big trouble.
00:45:26 Well, I think you're at a point right now where you're not asking how much like can
00:45:31 we afford to resign him?
00:45:32 It's do we want to resign him?
00:45:34 Right.
00:45:35 And I think you probably still do.
00:45:37 But that price tag is going to come down.
00:45:38 And let me tell you with, you know, they made the decision, it seems like not to extend
00:45:43 any of the big names this past offseason.
00:45:45 And a lot's been made about that.
00:45:47 But I think it was pretty clear going in, you know, Josh, you should come off one good
00:45:51 season.
00:45:52 He probably felt like if I get one more good season, I can drive this price up.
00:45:56 He didn't feel the need to sign then unless it was going to be for a higher amount of
00:45:59 money.
00:46:01 And Duggar was kind of in a similar spot.
00:46:02 He played well, but hasn't had the accolades thinking, all right, if I can get a pro bowl
00:46:06 under my belt this season, you know, I can bump that up.
00:46:09 And on when you who has kind of bounced around the line, you know, played guard and tackle,
00:46:13 not necessarily having a home.
00:46:15 It made sense for all three of those guys to say, hey, I want to wait.
00:46:19 And you know, right now, Duggar and Uche look like guys who probably going to be coming
00:46:24 in for less money than we would have expected then.
00:46:27 Which, you know, is is not good in terms of, you know, we thought those guys were going
00:46:31 to be better players.
00:46:34 But you know, it's I think you can return all three of those guys and still have plenty
00:46:39 of cap space to play with this offseason if you want all three back.
00:46:42 Yeah.
00:46:43 So I talked about this a little bit, but I did tweet this out.
00:46:46 And this person's over here talking about one of the worst tweets I've seen in a while.
00:46:50 I said, so I said at the big just with an M1 pick, they should consider trading it and
00:46:55 drafting an offensive tackle or or someone else other than a wide receiver other than
00:46:59 a quarterback.
00:47:00 I'm sorry.
00:47:01 And people have gone nuts, ballistic people are such an idiot.
00:47:03 Your brain dead.
00:47:04 I got someone tell me I have Down syndrome, which is cool.
00:47:06 That's cool.
00:47:07 So you're that dummy.
00:47:08 But but, you know, in an oral don't go to unfold you last year or whatever.
00:47:13 Right.
00:47:14 So whatever.
00:47:15 I get it, right.
00:47:16 The Texans right now, we're talking with the Texans, the Texans right now got the quarterback.
00:47:20 Wow.
00:47:21 They look great.
00:47:22 But people are acting like the Detroit Lions don't exist.
00:47:25 The Detroit Lions are a team.
00:47:27 People know Detroit Lions are a team.
00:47:29 Right.
00:47:30 Do they know that?
00:47:31 Look at the look at the whole NFC.
00:47:32 You know, there isn't a single NFC contender that picked their own quarterback, you know,
00:47:37 in the first round.
00:47:38 That's all I'm saying.
00:47:39 That's all I'm saying.
00:47:40 I'm not saying more than I'm not saying you shouldn't take the number one guy.
00:47:43 I'm not saying I understand that.
00:47:46 And thank you, Sasha, for being for being appropriate and not and not being rude about
00:47:50 it.
00:47:51 Right.
00:47:52 But like, you know, the thing for me is that I get it.
00:47:57 They have a ton of holes.
00:47:59 Drafting a quarterback, number one overall doesn't fix all of those holes.
00:48:02 Now, if you think he's a generational talent, then you have to take it off.
00:48:05 It shows you got to take them.
00:48:06 Right.
00:48:07 And maybe that's the case.
00:48:08 Right.
00:48:09 But like, I don't think it's crazy to say draft, draft an offensive lineman, draft Penny
00:48:16 Sewell, draft, you know, whatever.
00:48:18 Right.
00:48:19 You've drafted those guys and now you're able to build your team to the trenches.
00:48:23 Now you have a great offensive line.
00:48:25 Well, with a great offensive line, you don't need a great quarterback.
00:48:28 Oh, and by the way, they hit in a Monroe St. Brown in the fourth round.
00:48:32 And oh, by the way, they drafted, they let Kenny Garland walk and they brought in other
00:48:37 pieces to work.
00:48:38 They traded TJ Hawkins in a way and they were better without TJ Hawkins.
00:48:42 It's crazy what they've done.
00:48:44 And they've built this team.
00:48:46 You know what I mean?
00:48:47 And, and, and again, I'm not saying that the Patriots are going to be the Detroit Lions.
00:48:50 I'm just saying there are different ways to do it and they need a million different pieces.
00:48:55 They have like this offense.
00:48:57 We've talked about ad nauseum here.
00:48:59 This offense has like four pieces that you're like, okay, we're good for me.
00:49:05 That's what I mean.
00:49:06 Like, so you need seven or eight guys on offense to be competitive.
00:49:10 Yeah, they're, they're far away.
00:49:12 And that's why like I, I've looked up or 165 days away from the draft.
00:49:17 We don't need to be making decisions.
00:49:18 Now, Drake may is going to play more games.
00:49:20 Caleb Williams is going to play more games.
00:49:21 All these prospects are going to play more games.
00:49:23 We're going to get scouted.
00:49:24 They're going to go whole, you're going to go through a whole process.
00:49:27 I think it's foolish to say at this point that you're locked into any decision where
00:49:31 the page heads are going to pick, because there's a lot more to learn, a lot more work
00:49:35 to do on these guys, a lot more work to do in the Patriots building about what's going
00:49:39 to happen here.
00:49:40 I think you have to have your options open at least at this point in the process.
00:49:44 And if one of these guys really does distinguish himself and we all, we feel confident that
00:49:50 this is the guy, then yeah, you'd be foolish.
00:49:53 I think the passive that up outside of that, everything should be on the table to at least
00:49:58 a reasonable degree for sure.
00:49:59 Yeah.
00:50:00 Also team what seems six, one seven, maybe with a quarter of the day that never thought
00:50:03 I'd see the day when someone would say, look, I'm not saying the Patriots would be the Detroit
00:50:06 wins.
00:50:09 We're like 13 months removed away from the lion still being a joke too.
00:50:15 I mean, that's wild.
00:50:17 That's how fast it turns.
00:50:18 And that's also, you know, remember that things feel really bad for the Patriots right now.
00:50:23 And this is a bad team things you can rebuild in two years in the NFL.
00:50:28 If you hit all the things at the right time, every year.
00:50:32 Yup.
00:50:33 And you've got a ton of cap space.
00:50:34 You already have a good defense.
00:50:36 Now you're going to have to do some work.
00:50:38 You're going to have to resign Jude on, you're going to have to do some things, but Christian
00:50:43 Gonzalez has come back next year.
00:50:45 I think they're going to resign bar more though.
00:50:47 Barmore is not technically a free agent.
00:50:50 After this year's a free agent after next year, but still, I think you lock bar more
00:50:52 up.
00:50:54 And so like, I just think, I think that you're not as far away as, as it appears.
00:51:01 If you can get some good offensive players and right now they have no offensive talent.
00:51:05 So you have to bring in some offensive talent.
00:51:08 I think if you can resign KB and you keep up, pop dog was here.
00:51:13 Now you're looking at it saying, okay, we got, we got a good like three, four maybe.
00:51:17 And we got to bring in some other pieces.
00:51:19 We really need a number one guy.
00:51:22 And so, you know, look, I'm not, again, I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight,
00:51:27 but I do think your defense is still good enough that you can theoretically be competitive
00:51:33 next year.
00:51:35 If you can build an offense that at least can do something, you know, so we'll see.
00:51:41 And Ashton's asked him about Jaden Daniels.
00:51:43 And I think, I think that, you know, he's an interesting guy.
00:51:49 He's an interesting point.
00:51:51 He's a fun player.
00:51:52 I don't know how good he's going to be in the NFL, but he's definitely a fun player.
00:51:56 And I do think Jaden Daniels is a great example of if you get the number one pick and you
00:52:02 trade back from the number one pick and draft an offensive lineman, you might be able to
00:52:06 draft Jaden Daniels at the top of the second round, right?
00:52:08 Or you have pick 33 and you move 33 and something else and move up to pick 31 or 32.
00:52:15 So you draft the quarterback, you know what I mean?
00:52:16 So I just think that, I think there are other options than just taking one of those guys,
00:52:22 you know what I mean?
00:52:23 Yeah.
00:52:24 And again, we'll, we'll see where we get.
00:52:25 But I think there are at least a couple of day two quarterbacks who, you know, you think
00:52:30 can step in and probably play better than what we've seen for Mack Jones the last month
00:52:34 or two here.
00:52:36 So at least, you know, compete at that level.
00:52:40 So we'll see.
00:52:41 I don't know where Jaden Daniels is going to end up in the draft too.
00:52:44 That's the thing.
00:52:45 These quarterbacks, we're still figuring this out and it's hard to tell exactly where some
00:52:49 of these guys are going to go.
00:52:50 JJ McCarthy is a guy who has gotten first round buzz.
00:52:53 Jaden Daniels is a guy who I bet will get first round buzz after what we've seen from
00:52:58 him.
00:52:59 Michael Penix is a guy who I don't think is going to get first round buzz, but you never
00:53:03 know.
00:53:04 Mo Nix is going to be in this conversation.
00:53:05 Shadur Sanders, who I don't think is going to end up coming out this year is, you know,
00:53:09 might, I think if he gets first round buzz, he'd at least consider it.
00:53:14 So I don't know.
00:53:15 There's a lot of time and I got to get into more into the Jaden Daniels tape.
00:53:20 Second round, I think, yeah, I'm in on him.
00:53:21 Third round, absolutely.
00:53:22 First, you know, it's going to depend on where you are in the first.
00:53:25 See how I feel about that.
00:53:27 Um, yeah, man, it is.
00:53:29 It's no, I haven't.
00:53:30 Well, we're talking draft.
00:53:32 Well, that's brutal.
00:53:34 It's bad.
00:53:35 It's really bad.
00:53:36 Right.
00:53:37 But I mean, this is where we're at right now.
00:53:38 Unfortunately, it's just, that's the situation that we're in right now and the Patriots just
00:53:42 aren't good.
00:53:43 And so what do we have to look forward to?
00:53:44 We have the draft to look forward to.
00:53:45 We have having a top, probably a top five pick to look forward to is what we have.
00:53:50 Um, unfortunately, and so, you know, it, it just, it is, it is what it is.
00:53:56 And I think in ads, you know, it's not wrong about, you know, it is five, three years of
00:54:00 decline for the Patriots.
00:54:01 And I think, I do think the big thing comes out of the draft.
00:54:05 You haven't hit on these players.
00:54:07 You haven't.
00:54:08 And, you know, it just, that's what it comes down to.
00:54:11 And I think you have to take a hard look at, cause here's the thing, right?
00:54:16 I would say the scouting department, right.
00:54:19 But I don't like how much of it is the scouting department.
00:54:23 How much is Belichick listening to the scouting department?
00:54:26 How many of the guys are saying, no, this is the guy you need to draft, right?
00:54:29 No, no, no.
00:54:30 This is the guy.
00:54:31 I don't know.
00:54:32 I'm not sure.
00:54:33 Right.
00:54:34 And of course there's no way to know.
00:54:35 No one's going to say anything, but like how many times is it like, oh God, I hope
00:54:40 we don't draft this guy.
00:54:41 And they end up drafting that guy.
00:54:42 I have no idea.
00:54:43 Right.
00:54:44 Of course, no one's going to tell you that.
00:54:45 I suspect it isn't.
00:54:46 Like my guess is that everybody's aligned on this stuff behind the scenes and it's
00:54:51 just not working.
00:54:52 That's, and I mean, that's usually what happens.
00:54:54 Like these guys are all trying their hardest and they're figuring it out and they're
00:54:56 trying to work together and it's just not working.
00:54:58 Yeah.
00:54:59 So I don't know.
00:55:00 We'll, we'll see.
00:55:01 And I think the key part is you just can't miss on the next draft.
00:55:04 Like you don't, you don't have to come away with the best player, but you can't,
00:55:07 if you're going to be picking top five, you can't completely whiff.
00:55:13 You gotta, you probably gotta have three or four good players come out of your next class.
00:55:19 And that's, that's, what's going to be judged by.
00:55:21 It's not just going to be your first rounder.
00:55:23 And now we mentioned the lions on here.
00:55:26 One of the things we had talked about on our Wednesday episode was that the lions in 2021,
00:55:31 when they were resetting, they go offensive tackle in the first, then defensive and defensive
00:55:37 tackle and then wide receiver.
00:55:39 And you get a really good tackle at Sewell, two guys in that front seven, who've been
00:55:43 very good for them this year.
00:55:46 And a wide receiver in Amin, Rossane Brown, who is a pro bowl level of receiver who they
00:55:50 managed to get on day three.
00:55:53 And that's kind of Patriots going to need to hit on something like that.
00:55:57 It doesn't have to be a wide receiver, but you know, if you get a tight end in round
00:56:00 four, who can turn into something for you, or if you're able to use a third round pick
00:56:04 on a guy who can be a center for you, who's like a starting caliber center for a long
00:56:10 time.
00:56:12 Things like that.
00:56:13 I can't get a guard to tackle.
00:56:15 It's actually funny.
00:56:16 I was going back and looking at some of the old Patriots offensive lines to see how they
00:56:19 were constructed.
00:56:20 And it's, it's shocking how many guys they had in there who weren't first round picks
00:56:24 who they made work at tackle.
00:56:27 And that is kind of an anomaly here that doesn't typically happen, but if you can make it happen
00:56:32 again, if the Patriots can find a way to get a starting caliber tackle on day two or three,
00:56:37 that helps you out a ton.
00:56:39 Oh yeah.
00:56:40 And I think too, like, I think you've, you got Mike something.
00:56:44 I think you got something with Mike on when, um, where he's a good enough, he's a good
00:56:51 enough right tackle for you, I think at least.
00:56:55 And you know, you, I think you drafted city.
00:56:57 So to play right tackle and you figured Mike on when it would stay at right guard.
00:57:01 And now you might be in a situation where city.
00:57:05 So stays at right guard and, and on when he says it right tackle, right.
00:57:08 I don't know, but that's, that's what I would think.
00:57:11 Um, and so, you know, but we'll see, I mean, we'll see what happens, but I think that that's
00:57:16 kind of, you almost kind of have to stick with on when it went right tackle just so
00:57:20 you have some consistency.
00:57:21 Like I know you're going to sign them, but, but you have to just, you have to stick with
00:57:25 some consistency and Ed's asking her the crash.
00:57:27 Good owners.
00:57:28 I just, that's just a stupid question.
00:57:29 In my opinion, like, I'm sorry, Ed, it's a dumb question.
00:57:31 The crafts are great owners.
00:57:33 They have, they've walked away.
00:57:36 Listen, he's been hands off.
00:57:38 Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.
00:57:42 They won six super bowls, went to nine super bowls.
00:57:46 Like at a certain point you say your span where they were in a half of them.
00:57:50 Correct.
00:57:51 You just like at a certain point you have to sit there and say, well, we have to trust
00:57:55 this guy to build the future.
00:57:57 And it, or what didn't work in year one.
00:57:59 I'll fire Belichick.
00:58:00 Well, no, no.
00:58:01 Well, it didn't work.
00:58:02 You to fight.
00:58:03 No.
00:58:04 Like, let's give it some time.
00:58:05 Now, if this off season, they don't do anything and they don't make any moves.
00:58:09 Now we can start the conversation, but like, you know, let's just like, what about check
00:58:14 is earned?
00:58:17 Like the fact that he's not the, they're not the best team in the league anymore.
00:58:20 Right.
00:58:21 Like, but now they've gotten to the point where they're not good enough and things aren't
00:58:24 good enough.
00:58:25 And now we can sit there and say, okay, it's not good enough.
00:58:27 Bill needs to go.
00:58:28 Well, I think that's one of the crafts, the good owners thing.
00:58:32 Let's look past the Belichick situation entirely for a second.
00:58:36 Now they bring in parcels, which was a good move.
00:58:40 And Pete Carroll, who I think hindsight says that was actually probably a pretty good move.
00:58:46 It's just Pete Carroll wasn't ready yet.
00:58:48 He's turned into a fantastic up to your, it just didn't match, but he wasn't, he wasn't
00:58:52 like an awful coach or anything.
00:58:53 Well, you know, he didn't have the best time in new England.
00:58:56 He built a new stadium and take you from an awful one to one that was state of the art
00:59:00 and renovate it and built that whole plaza around Gillette stadium.
00:59:05 They've been, they've been very good owners.
00:59:07 Bill Belichick has been the greatest coach of all time.
00:59:10 Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time.
00:59:12 And these things never last forever and things change over time.
00:59:16 So I'm going to have, you know, yeah.
00:59:21 And the other ad in the chat says arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
00:59:25 It does kind of feel like, yeah, like the, it feels like today is when the bow just hit
00:59:31 the water on the Titanic sinking and it's all right.
00:59:35 We're really going down now and we can do what we want, but this is, this is where we
00:59:39 are like, this is, there's nothing changing.
00:59:41 There's nothing salvaging this season at this point.
00:59:44 Right.
00:59:45 Season's basically done.
00:59:46 We're going to get seven more games to have many are left.
00:59:49 Yeah.
00:59:50 Yes.
00:59:51 Seven more games.
00:59:52 Look, AJ is saying we can't say anything bad about the crafts.
00:59:55 We can say, we can absolutely say bad things about the crafts.
00:59:57 The crafts don't pay us.
00:59:58 We're not under contract by the PPS.
01:00:00 I can say whatever the hell I want about, about him, but here's what I'm going to tell
01:00:04 you.
01:00:05 Okay.
01:00:06 Here's what I'm gonna tell you.
01:00:07 They, he didn't start caring about profits over winning.
01:00:10 They spent more guaranteed money than anyone else in NFL history during the off season
01:00:17 2021.
01:00:18 That's a fact.
01:00:19 That is not an opinion.
01:00:20 That is a fact.
01:00:22 And so those things haven't worked out.
01:00:24 Like they've signed guys and they've done, Oh yeah, no, all back loaded to contracts
01:00:27 and incentives.
01:00:28 That's actually not money.
01:00:29 Yeah.
01:00:30 They can't guarantee bonuses on a lot of that stuff.
01:00:34 Guarantee means guaranteed upfront money.
01:00:37 Yeah.
01:00:38 And it wasn't a Federal mask too much.
01:00:40 It's just, you know, not just that, do we not, we're like not even a year removed from
01:00:44 the crafts themselves kind of getting involved in saying, Hey, we need to hire different
01:00:49 coaches because we're not winning enough or them investing huge amounts of money into
01:00:54 the building itself to make it a better experience.
01:00:57 Also the idea that like profits and winning are tied.
01:01:01 How many, how many bad teams rake in tons and tons of money.
01:01:05 If you win, that brings you the money.
01:01:06 Like that's one of the best things you can do is to regularly put yourself in front of
01:01:10 TV audiences and to have good players and have people want to come into your games.
01:01:14 Like that's, yeah, it's ridiculous to act like those things aren't tied.
01:01:18 So yeah, no, and I don't, I don't pay, I don't think the crafts are perfect.
01:01:23 I'm more than willing to criticize the crafts.
01:01:27 This franchise has 10, 11 Superbowl appearances and 10 of them have been with the crafts,
01:01:33 right?
01:01:34 And they have all, this is, I mean, we're looking at the single most successful like
01:01:41 amount of what do you call it?
01:01:42 Single most successful franchise in NFL history right now with almost all of it happening
01:01:46 under these owners.
01:01:47 Like that's there.
01:01:48 Yes.
01:01:49 And Ron Ashton saying he doesn't spend money on great players.
01:01:53 You're right.
01:01:54 And that's, and unfortunately that has nothing to do with him.
01:01:57 There's nothing about the one deciding where the money goes.
01:02:01 That's all.
01:02:02 And Belichick did play, did pay great players.
01:02:04 He underpaid Tom Brady relative to his value.
01:02:06 They still give Tom Brady tons of money throughout that span.
01:02:09 It's not like he was making that minimum.
01:02:11 They paid Gronk.
01:02:12 They paid McCordy.
01:02:13 They paid Darrell Rivas to come in.
01:02:16 They paid Starz.
01:02:17 They paid our guys.
01:02:18 Yeah.
01:02:19 They have paid guys in free agency.
01:02:24 They just, you know, the last round of doing that didn't work.
01:02:28 Now here's the argument that I will, and I think that Jonathan Kraft is a little bit,
01:02:32 is a little bit more.
01:02:33 Craft does not decide how much Bill can spend.
01:02:35 The NFL salary cap decides how much.
01:02:37 That's correct.
01:02:38 But I also think that, you know, and by the way, he said at the owners meeting, money's
01:02:42 not an issue.
01:02:43 The checkbook's open.
01:02:44 He said it.
01:02:45 Now you can, you could all, yeah, it's just talk and whatever, but like, you know, look,
01:02:51 it just, it is what it is.
01:02:52 And people are pissed about it is that, you know, people are pissed that they're not
01:02:56 spending the money.
01:02:57 They're not paying people.
01:02:58 They're not doing this and they're not doing that.
01:02:59 They're not whatever.
01:03:00 And I understand like think snowball.
01:03:01 The team's not good.
01:03:02 If the team were winning, nobody would care.
01:03:05 No one would say one thing.
01:03:07 Not one thing.
01:03:08 Zero things would be said about how much money they spend if they were winning.
01:03:13 It would be complimentary articles.
01:03:16 It's just, it's the way it goes.
01:03:17 Right.
01:03:18 And so unfortunately that's the way it happens, but they're not winning right now and they
01:03:22 did spend money on the wrong players.
01:03:25 And so it's just, it's the way it goes.
01:03:28 Right.
01:03:29 Is that like they've spent money on players that didn't work.
01:03:35 They have right now this pass off season, do they spend a ton of money in frequency?
01:03:40 No, not necessarily.
01:03:41 But they did resign.
01:03:42 They did resign Davante Parker.
01:03:44 They did go out and sign Judas Misjuicer.
01:03:46 They did, you know, like they did some of these things.
01:03:48 Now Davante Parker stinks.
01:03:50 Judas Misjuicer stinks like that's, but that's not on Bill.
01:03:52 That's not on Bob Kraft.
01:03:53 What do you want Kraft to do?
01:03:54 He's spending the money.
01:03:55 Like it just, yeah, it's that they're all, I can, I can, you know, these guys are professionals.
01:04:01 They're all trying as hard as they can to make this team good.
01:04:03 And I'm sure they're all very disappointed that things have gotten where they are and
01:04:06 they just mis-evaluated on guys.
01:04:07 This is the way it happens.
01:04:08 They're not, they're not, the team didn't get banned because of some moral failing of
01:04:14 the people involved.
01:04:15 It's just very difficult to win in the NFL.
01:04:19 Right.
01:04:20 And by the way, AJ, I appreciate that you think we're a big enough podcast that Bob
01:04:24 Kraft will somehow hear what we have to say.
01:04:27 He won't.
01:04:28 So we can say whatever the hell we want.
01:04:29 It doesn't matter.
01:04:30 He's never going to know.
01:04:31 Yeah.
01:04:32 I would be shocked.
01:04:33 Yeah.
01:04:34 If Bob Kraft knows my name.
01:04:35 So, right, right.
01:04:36 It's just like, come on, you know, so, but no, I'm talking about this.
01:04:38 I get it.
01:04:39 I understand.
01:04:40 But it just, it's one of those situations that, um, that's the way it goes.
01:04:45 And you know what?
01:04:46 He's 29th in cash spending since Brady.
01:04:47 Take a look at, look at it.
01:04:48 What it was when they had Brady.
01:04:49 I bet you it wasn't much higher when they had Brady and cash spending is irrelevant.
01:04:53 It means nothing.
01:04:54 Who cares?
01:04:55 It doesn't matter.
01:04:56 Yeah.
01:04:57 So it just like, that's irrelevant.
01:04:58 Can we end on a high note?
01:04:59 Yeah.
01:05:00 Can we end on a high note?
01:05:01 Do it.
01:05:02 A positive observation from today.
01:05:06 Running back looks running backs.
01:05:07 Look back, you know, from Andre Stevenson and Zeke Elliott, both looked very good today.
01:05:14 And um, you know, if we're looking for guys to keep around, Zeke is a guy who I think
01:05:19 I'm interested in keeping in the building.
01:05:20 I think he has a really nice balance there with from Andre.
01:05:23 He knows what he's doing.
01:05:24 He's a professional.
01:05:25 I think he's a veteran you'd like to have in that room.
01:05:27 And um, yeah, I think I want him back.
01:05:30 And yeah, these guys play like that.
01:05:32 It's going to help you.
01:05:33 Well, that's a thing.
01:05:34 And Andre, especially like, I don't know how much, how much Andre is going to command
01:05:38 in the open market.
01:05:39 And so maybe they won't, uh, maybe they won't, but I do think that, that they bring Andre
01:05:46 back.
01:05:47 I think you're right about Zeke.
01:05:48 Cause Zeke's not really going to get a ton of money anywhere else.
01:05:50 Like he's really not.
01:05:51 Um, I mean, he did, he did look really good today.
01:05:55 So there's a chance somebody wants to pay him.
01:05:57 Like he's a top.
01:05:58 I don't think he'll probably get a raise next year and come back is my, it's what I would
01:06:03 say.
01:06:04 Um, and we also, yeah, we have, we have, um, Doug kind of put out the skill position snap
01:06:10 counts.
01:06:11 If you want to go through that 0 Jalen Rager.
01:06:17 That's correct.
01:06:18 Yep.
01:06:19 That's correct.
01:06:20 My time Montgomery had a one and that was on a play when remanded was getting looked
01:06:23 at and Zeke said he needed, he needed a breather and then Zeke 23, remanded 46, Kishon booty
01:06:31 26, 50 Juju Smith Schuster 68.
01:06:36 By the way, I don't know.
01:06:37 Juju looked kind of fine.
01:06:38 I think Juju looks much better in the role to have him in.
01:06:40 I don't think he's great.
01:06:41 I don't think you want to build around him, but I think he can be a serviceable like NFL
01:06:45 backup and what they're asking him to do right now.
01:06:47 If he has to be on the roster next year, um, Hunter Henry 50, Mike Giziki, 46, 46, Farrah
01:06:54 Brown, 33.
01:06:55 Yeah.
01:06:56 And Gizeki should, I mean, Gizeki had to play it.
01:06:59 Okay.
01:07:00 But he should have a touchdown.
01:07:01 I know it's would have been go ahead and touchdown in the fourth quarter.
01:07:04 Right.
01:07:05 Yeah.
01:07:06 You know, it's just, it's, I don't know, whatever.
01:07:09 It's frustrating.
01:07:10 It's very frustrating watching this team play and you just, you know, man, it just, it,
01:07:16 it sucks, you know?
01:07:17 Oh, and somebody said, somebody said in there, um, asked if Mondra is a free agent, not until
01:07:23 after next season, he's, he's back.
01:07:26 Yes.
01:07:27 And then somebody in the comments saying, why can't you guys just say we need a new
01:07:30 GM and new scouting department.
01:07:32 Uh, I don't know if you just tuned in because we've been saying that for weeks and throughout
01:07:37 most of this episode as well.
01:07:39 Listen, full disclosure, I'm going to full disclosure.
01:07:43 Okay.
01:07:44 I, I have a, I have a friend who works on the scouting department for the Patriots.
01:07:49 So no, I'm not going to call for a job.
01:07:51 I'm not going to do it.
01:07:53 This is everybody, but him.
01:07:55 I'm not going to do that.
01:07:56 Okay.
01:07:57 And I also don't know.
01:07:58 And again, I will, I will again say, I don't know how much Belichick is listening to them.
01:08:02 I really don't, I don't.
01:08:04 Right.
01:08:05 And I, you know, I just don't know.
01:08:07 He's the guy that has the decision-making.
01:08:09 They can go out and they do all of that stuff.
01:08:14 Then they come in and they say, this is who we think should be the guy, Bill and Bill
01:08:17 Jaffs whoever he wants.
01:08:19 Right.
01:08:20 I can tell you right now, I can tell you for a fact, I can tell you for a fact.
01:08:26 That, that, um, the Dominique easily pick was not well liked by the scouts.
01:08:32 They didn't get a choice on that.
01:08:34 Right.
01:08:35 So like, you know, it just, it is what it is.
01:08:38 By the way, CJ, I'll just do a pick Cincinnati's in the red zone with three and a half minutes
01:08:42 left downtown inside, inside the, inside the 10 yard line.
01:08:47 So, but anyways, but you know, look, it is what it is.
01:08:50 Um, and I just, you know, so I don't know.
01:08:56 Yes.
01:08:57 Does it need to be, does it need to be new decision-making there?
01:08:58 Absolutely.
01:08:59 Do they need to rethink what they're looking at?
01:09:01 Absolutely.
01:09:02 They do.
01:09:03 Absolutely.
01:09:04 Absolutely.
01:09:05 You've never heard of the guy.
01:09:06 No, cause I haven't mentioned his name.
01:09:07 I'm not, I'm not going to give you his name.
01:09:09 Um, but you know, but do they, do they need to, um, do they need to rethink their decision-making
01:09:16 a hundred percent?
01:09:18 How much of that's on bill about checking, how much of that's on the scouts?
01:09:20 I don't know.
01:09:21 I don't know the answer to that question.
01:09:23 I think they need a, they need a reevaluation of the process.
01:09:26 A hundred percent.
01:09:27 Yep.
01:09:28 Absolutely.
01:09:29 At least some new people in there and probably starting at the top.
01:09:31 And you know, even if, even if we don't want that to happen, um, then you know, I think
01:09:37 it's still going to, it's pretty clear the crafts want to win and are not happy with
01:09:42 how things went this season and are going to change things up after this, regardless
01:09:46 of any of our opinions.
01:09:48 So, Oh, easily is who I was talking about then.
01:09:50 Uh, Dominic Easley, who they drafted on the first round, who was just a complete bust
01:09:55 who again built up because they don't, they never had the, um, they never had the, the
01:10:01 interior pass rush was what they, you know, is what they look at it.
01:10:06 And um, you know, and that's the way it goes.
01:10:08 It should hire Chris Sims.
01:10:09 Oh, for the love of God.
01:10:13 No, listen, he, he may have had serious shadow of a place young, but that's about the only
01:10:17 he's gotten right in the last 15 years.
01:10:19 So I think, I think I'll pass on Chris Sims.
01:10:21 Yeah.
01:10:22 Uh, I think that's all we have.
01:10:24 That's it.
01:10:25 It's all we got.
01:10:26 We're just rambling at this point.
01:10:27 We know we got giants game in two weeks.
01:10:29 I know Tyrod Taylor's hurt for that game, but if he's, you know, can we get him back
01:10:34 healthy and can he play all time QB?
01:10:36 Like he just be quarterback for both sides.
01:10:39 Let me tell you something.
01:10:41 It is going to take an insane, I mean, you're going to be able to go to Matt.
01:10:46 If you want to go to that game, you're going to be able to go to that game for about four
01:10:49 dolls because it's going to be Tommy DeVito versus probably Bailey's happy in their right
01:10:57 mind is ever going to want to see that game.
01:11:00 Why would you ever want to see that game?
01:11:03 What's crazy is the Patriots are probably going to start somebody not in Mac Jones the
01:11:08 rest of the way here.
01:11:09 One of their backup quarterback, they're going to bench the starter and there's actually
01:11:13 going to be one at least one game the rest of the way where they won't have the worst
01:11:16 quarterback and that's in two weeks.
01:11:20 Ticket prices right now in Seat Geek are 73 bucks to get it.
01:11:23 Oh my God, that's insanity.
01:11:25 Who's going to pay $73?
01:11:27 It's New York City.
01:11:28 You know, everybody who bought this ticket for over a hundred.
01:11:30 So they're trying to get something.
01:11:31 Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.
01:11:34 So but uh, oh, Joe Mixon, Russian touchdown.
01:11:37 So the Texans are up by three, which are three and three minutes left to go.
01:11:41 So anyways, that's that.
01:11:44 So uh, yeah, so there we go.
01:11:47 Hey man, it was ugly.
01:11:49 It was really bad.
01:11:50 I mean, there's just nothing.
01:11:52 There's no, there's no way.
01:11:54 There's no positive spin zero.
01:11:55 There's nothing positive you can say about this game.
01:11:58 Again, a few bright spots.
01:11:59 You ain't divide.
01:12:00 If that was a bright spot, Christian Baltimore played decent again, not as well as he has,
01:12:04 but you know, decent DeMar Douglas played pretty well, I thought, but like the rest
01:12:09 of the team is getting, we're getting weakened at Bernie's.
01:12:12 That's the way.
01:12:13 And I think they're just getting propped up for another two months.
01:12:16 Yep.
01:12:17 And I think keep playing K.
01:12:18 Sham booty.
01:12:19 Keep playing DeMar Douglas.
01:12:21 I forgot he played.
01:12:22 Keep playing those guys, you know, keep playing them and just see what happens.
01:12:26 Yeah.
01:12:27 And I also, one of the notes we didn't mention on the Wednesday show and we should have,
01:12:31 um, Adrian Clem dealing with like health issues.
01:12:34 I think we just want to wish him like the best for whatever is going on there.
01:12:38 Based on the comments, it sounded like he's really got something going on.
01:12:41 Um, you're not stepping away from the team if you don't, if it's not something at least
01:12:45 decently serious.
01:12:47 Yeah.
01:12:48 So I'm hoping he's doing okay.
01:12:49 Um, and you can get back at some point here and get back to full health.
01:12:54 So that's, yeah, yep.
01:12:55 Good way to put it.
01:12:56 So it's a good way to end the show.
01:12:57 All right.
01:12:58 Well, thanks everyone.
01:12:59 We'll be back this week.
01:13:00 I get a super busy week at school.
01:13:01 Um, but I think we could probably, we'll probably do something Wednesday night.
01:13:06 So all right.
01:13:09 Thanks everyone.
01:13:10 Thanks for the chat for, uh, for, you know, for being there and being with us and we appreciate,
01:13:14 yeah.
01:13:15 And Hey, listen, man, we're going to keep bringing you content and we appreciate you
01:13:18 guys keep coming through.
01:13:19 I know it's been a tough season, but, uh, here we are and we're going to start talking
01:13:23 about, you know, the draft and, uh, and we're going to start talking about all those things.
01:13:27 So, uh, we'll have some, we'll have some fun with it.
01:13:29 Let's have fun with it as we go.
01:13:31 And we will be giving away something, uh, this week.
01:13:34 So that's exciting.
01:13:35 You have a way, you know, which by the way, yeah, Matt Mineta, we said, said we didn't
01:13:38 have an answer for a question and Matt Mineta did answer it at some point and I miss it.
01:13:42 So Matt, it's like the NBA lottery where Matt Menino has the first round pick.
01:13:46 So like, you know, he's like the thunder with all the, all the draft picks.
01:13:50 Right.
01:13:51 It doesn't mean he's going to, it doesn't mean he's going to get it, but he, he does
01:13:53 have the best chance of winning for sure.
01:13:55 So yeah.
01:13:56 So, all right guys, well, thanks so much.
01:13:57 And we will, we'll talk to you later on this week.
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