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Pat and Matt discuss Pat's Mock Draft 3.0 on Pats Pulpit. They also look at some listener mocks and figure out what to make of Jerod Mayo's interview at the owner's meetings Monday
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00:00:30 All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriot Nation Podcast.
00:00:35 It's your boy Pat Lane here as always with my guide Matt St. Jean.
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00:01:12 So Matt, here we are.
00:01:16 During the owners meetings, we have a Gerard Mayo sipping orange juice meme already.
00:01:22 I love it. I absolutely love it.
00:01:24 It had to have been intentional on Mayo's part.
00:01:27 And I'm genuinely excited about where we're going.
00:01:32 Yeah, no, I think what's interesting too is I think there was a change in tone
00:01:38 in some of the quotes we got with this, the NFL owners meeting,
00:01:43 which we will get into it.
00:01:45 But I think it's fair to say that the new Patriots administration
00:01:51 is learning why the old Patriots administration was not very open with the press about stuff.
00:01:57 Yeah.
00:01:59 And I think they've said a lot of things generally I like,
00:02:05 but I also think they've said a lot of things that will very quickly get taken out of context.
00:02:09 Yeah. And Bella Jack knew that just as well as anyone, right?
00:02:14 The fact that, you know, it's a situation that as soon as you say something to the media,
00:02:22 the media is going to respond and the media is going to make something out of nothing.
00:02:26 Even if even if there's nothing really going on, the media is going to make something out of it.
00:02:30 And one of the reasons why he never talked to the media, I think, in my opinion.
00:02:35 Yeah. You know, it's ways for things to get misconstrued.
00:02:39 And I think, you know, one of the one of the difficulties for the Patriots right now is that
00:02:45 they exist within the Boston sports ecosystem.
00:02:49 And the biggest kind of overarching storyline in Boston sports media right now is
00:02:55 what's going on with the Boston Red Sox and how the owners, you know,
00:03:00 came out with all this bluster, said they were going to make moves, did all these changes and then made no.
00:03:05 And actually, after a long history of not wanting to keep their own players, not spending on guys.
00:03:11 And football is a very different sport.
00:03:15 Football is hard kept in a way that baseball isn't.
00:03:18 When it comes to your spending, the way free agency looks in both of these sports,
00:03:22 the age at which players reach free agency and the quality of the free agents is very different.
00:03:27 But because the Patriots came out and said, you know, we're going to be spending a ton and then didn't spend a ton.
00:03:32 They're going to be viewed through this lens now.
00:03:35 And I think you have to I think you have to look at this in kind of two different ways.
00:03:40 One, when it comes to actual strategy and on field product and everything,
00:03:44 I think you've made the right move this offseason.
00:03:46 You know, there was only one like Gerard Meyer was correct today when he said there was basically only one good free agent.
00:03:51 We went after him. We didn't land them. They weren't going to wildly overpay like Tennessee did for Calvin Ridley.
00:03:55 And once that happens, you know, you kind of close up shop to a degree.
00:03:59 But the flip side of this is part of being a head coach is the public relations.
00:04:04 It is being the media facing person.
00:04:07 And when you go out and, you know, try to impress a whole bunch of new people and make that good impression on the fans by saying,
00:04:15 hey, you know, we're going to do this because you guys have really wanted us to do this.
00:04:20 And then you don't do it. You're setting yourself up for disappointment with those people.
00:04:25 So, you know, a learning experience for those guys. And I'm sure if this administration doesn't end up going well,
00:04:31 people are going to point to these moments where they say we're going to go spend and then they don't spend as where it all started, whether or not that's justified.
00:04:39 Right. And old man, mom said, you know, he did sound disappointed when they when he said they didn't get Calvin Ridley.
00:04:44 But I mean, they could have gotten Calvin Ridley.
00:04:48 It just took money. And I know they didn't want to spend it. And that's fine. But like, you know, you wonder.
00:04:55 And I talked about this before. Right. And I've been accused many times of especially especially since I didn't absolutely hate and despise the dynasty.
00:05:05 I've been accused of being a craft ball washer, as people have said. And I said it on the show before.
00:05:13 He doesn't have anyone to hide behind now. Right. He always said, oh, the checkbook's open. Checkbook's open for Bill Belichick.
00:05:21 It's open. And, you know, OK, put your money where your mouth is. Let's see you give Matthew Judon some money.
00:05:29 You've been in contact with Christian Barmore. That's good. Give him a contract.
00:05:33 Kyle Duggar is still out there, like obviously he's on the transition tag, but like pay him.
00:05:38 You know what I mean? Like you got to do these things. If you if people are going to believe that you're going to really pay the money,
00:05:45 you're going to have to do some of these things. And listen, that might mean trading 34 to San Francisco for Brandon.
00:05:51 I you can give it a massive contract. And I'm OK with that. I am OK with that.
00:05:55 I just know that San Francisco would be is kind of the issue you've run into there.
00:06:00 Yeah, I think I think not giving twenty three million dollars a year to a twenty nine year old wide receiver with a questionable track record here.
00:06:10 I think I agree with the front office's decision as to why it just.
00:06:15 And here's the other part here is that because I think the fans view this as a refresh and not a reset.
00:06:26 Like when you you bring in a whole new coaching regime in GM, usually a fan expectation is, all right, these guys, you know,
00:06:33 four or three, four years to put something together. And I think that's the fan expectation here,
00:06:37 which I don't think is fair to the guys who were there. But I don't blame Mayo for asking for patience today because they're in,
00:06:44 you know, they're the ground floor of this thing. They need multiple quality drafts of good players on both sides of the ball.
00:06:52 If they would like to become a contender, we are two, three, four years away from that point.
00:06:59 I just you know, we got to it's going to be ugly moments in that, too.
00:07:04 Like, you know, even even the even good teams have ugly moments. This team's not a good team.
00:07:08 There's going to be some real ugly moments, even if this team is better next year than it was this past year.
00:07:13 And I think setting expectations way too high for no reason, because you're just trying to impress a press outlet in Boston.
00:07:21 Always be negative on you no matter what you do.
00:07:24 That is not setting yourself up for success in the public eye.
00:07:27 Yes, that is correct. If you spend too much money, though, they'll rip you for it.
00:07:31 If you don't spend enough money, they'll rip you for it. If you sign the right guys, they'll rip you for it.
00:07:35 If you're on the wrong guys, they'll rip you for it. If you draft the right guys, they'll rip you for it.
00:07:38 If you draft the wrong guys, it doesn't matter what you do.
00:07:40 If you go 14 and two, they'll question, oh, but, you know, the two losses are you going to win the right way?
00:07:47 You know, is it going to translate in the playoffs?
00:07:49 Like that's and Sandra's here are high because, you know, we've raised that bar because this team has been so successful.
00:07:56 Like I get it. But right. Yeah.
00:07:58 The bar if the bar doesn't come down to some degree, then it's going to be hard to find any coach successful.
00:08:04 Well, that's and that's really what it comes down to is that you just got to be real.
00:08:07 Just be a little bit more realistic about the Patriots chances this year.
00:08:11 They're not they're not competing this year. They're not. They're going to be a bad team again.
00:08:16 They're going to be drafting in the top 10 again, for sure.
00:08:21 Now, will it be the top five again?
00:08:23 I don't know, but it will be the top 10 again, unless something crazy happens.
00:08:27 So, you know, we need to temper expectations at the same time.
00:08:33 I do understand people want people like, well, we have all of this money.
00:08:37 We have an insane amount of money, which we do.
00:08:40 The Patriots have a ridiculous amount of money.
00:08:43 So you look at it and say, OK, well, we need to go out and get guys.
00:08:47 And the problem is that those guys aren't available. Right.
00:08:49 They were going to pay for Michael Pittman. They were going to pay for T. Higgins.
00:08:52 They were going to pay for, you know, those guys like Evans.
00:08:54 Apparently they were going to be geared up all for him.
00:08:57 So that's the thing is, is, you know, that's one of those things. Right.
00:09:00 And and it you know, it's tough. It is what it is. And here's the thing. Right.
00:09:05 And so here's Roberto. I'll just throw Roberto on the screen right here because he says, you know, get ready to be mediocre.
00:09:09 Throw him in the years. And here's what I'll say. OK, here's what I'll say.
00:09:15 Is that. I understand. I get it. I do. I understand people's expectations.
00:09:26 Here's what I'll ask you, OK? Would you.
00:09:31 If would you be the Dallas Cowboys, would you accept.
00:09:36 Being the Dallas Cowboys. Who were dominant in the 90s.
00:09:41 And then just have kind of floated here and there and are good, but not great.
00:09:46 Compete every year, but choking the playoffs like.
00:09:50 Would you be OK with that? Or would you be upset with that?
00:09:57 When I think I think the answer to that for me is you're going to be excited at first until it sets in, because that's the way these things go.
00:10:05 You know, your expectations change with time. My expectation right now, get this team to 500 within like four years.
00:10:13 Like just get to that point consistently. I don't I don't mean like, oh, like one scuba 500.
00:10:18 I mean, all right, let's be above 500 consecutive seasons. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:22 I get to that point. And then once you get there, it's about taking that next step.
00:10:27 Yeah. By the way, players, by the way, DJ has the correct answer.
00:10:32 DJ has the correct answer. You're OK with it. You're 100 percent OK with it, because if you're in the playoffs every year and you're competing every year, you're there.
00:10:42 Now, that doesn't mean you're going to win. It may you'll never win ever again.
00:10:45 Who knows? But you're competing every year and you're knocking on the door.
00:10:50 Now, if you can't find the right guys and Dallas has been slow to move, I would say off of their quarterbacks. Right.
00:10:59 They haven't they didn't move off a Romo fast enough, in my opinion.
00:11:03 Dak, you know, if you want to move on from Dak, you need to do that.
00:11:07 And so, you know, after this year, they do. And so they may have to rebuild a little bit through him.
00:11:12 But, you know, but anyway, that's kind of what I'm looking at is like it's not it's foolish to think you're going to end up being the chiefs again in five years.
00:11:21 That's just that's stupid. But if you can get to a place where you're competitive and you can be competitive and, you know, a few people said it here, like you got to get non elite said it.
00:11:31 You got to get through the draft. You have to do it through the draft because guys aren't available in free agency.
00:11:37 Now they're available via trade. If you want to make a trade, they're available via trade. Right.
00:11:42 Let's let's just say that you have a good draft this year. You stick at three and draft Jake.
00:11:48 Drake May and Drake Mays, the guy. Great. You draft, you know, someone at 34 Malachi Corley, who had an awesome day.
00:11:55 It is pro day today or, you know, whomever else at 34. Right. And so and you're like, OK, fine, here we go.
00:12:03 Great, great. Whatever. Next year you're in the top 10 again. You draft like an elite defensive player or something who who really helps you out.
00:12:10 The year after that, you're you're drafting around like 19 or something. Then you trade 19 for first for for that true, legit number one wide receiver.
00:12:20 It's what the Dolphins did. They drafted to the next year. They drafted Jalen Waddell.
00:12:25 The next year they traded their first round pick for for Tyree kill. Right. It's what the Eagles did where they drafted Jalen Hurts.
00:12:31 Then they drafted Devonta Smith. Then they traded their first round pick for AJ Brown.
00:12:35 So it's like so all of these things, this is where that's the path. Like the path is you're going to have to give up a first round pick to get one of those guys.
00:12:43 But again, you're not you're not trading three for one of those guys. Right. But if you're if you're that mid first round pick, you can now you've started that rebuild and that can put you over the hump.
00:12:54 Now, it hasn't worked in either of those places, although the Eagles did make the Super Bowl. They lost, of course, but the Eagles did make the Super Bowl.
00:13:01 But, you know, it's it gets you to a position where you go from a good team to a very good team from that one move.
00:13:09 And that move makes sense. I think it's also, you know, that's one way to do it.
00:13:14 The other way you look at the 49ers who've been in the Super Bowl, just in it, they got two of the better receivers in the NFL.
00:13:21 I use the true number one and Debo is, you know, I think depending on how you view him, a mid tier wide receiver, one all the way down to a really, really high end wide receiver to put in how you view his skill set.
00:13:34 Yeah, they got both of those guys in the draft. Neither one of them took a first round pick.
00:13:38 Again, I don't think I think I think was a late, late first round.
00:13:41 OK, but they're still they're both in that late first, early second window, you know, and that's where it's where Justin Jefferson came from.
00:13:47 He also came from that window. So, you know, a lot of ways to do this and I think they can roll over cap space.
00:13:55 So you can roll over cap space in the next year. And, you know, let's say you can't get a trade for IU or Debo Samuel if he ends up on the market instead.
00:14:03 You can't make it happen this year. And Justin Jefferson doesn't hit the market or whatever.
00:14:08 I'll tell wide receiver hits the market next year. And let's say more importantly, let's say wide receiver hits the market who has a big contract and the team can't afford it.
00:14:17 Well, now you can afford that and you can do what the Browns did when they got a Murray Cooper.
00:14:23 They sent a fifth round pick for him because Dallas couldn't afford him anymore.
00:14:27 But you can pull off a move like that and you've all the salary cap room to absorb that.
00:14:33 You know, that's another way to get there. So I think I'm glad that they're keeping themselves flexible for the future.
00:14:41 You look at this free agent market. They had one hundred million dollars.
00:14:44 There weren't one hundred million dollars worth of guys that were worth signing up for this team.
00:14:48 That's just so I'm not mad at it.
00:14:51 I would I will say, though, because I know I've been very nice to the front office here.
00:14:55 I do have some criticisms. And this is something that Mike Reese talked about in this column yesterday, Sunday notes.
00:15:03 He talked about how it seems like they're shifting away from building around special teams.
00:15:09 Matthew Slater retiring. We assume Brendan Schooler will fill that role.
00:15:13 But who's the Brendan Schooler role? Adrian Phillips cut Chris Board cut.
00:15:19 Miles Bryant, who is a big special teamer for them, as well as a defensive player, not signed.
00:15:24 He's in Houston now, which I'll talk about the defensive implications there in a sec, too.
00:15:29 But the NFL is looking at making the kickoff a bigger part of the game.
00:15:34 They want to bring the kick return back. It hasn't been voted through yet.
00:15:37 It sounds like it might still get voted through for this season.
00:15:41 And I don't know how I feel about that.
00:15:45 I think it's a bold decision to shift away from special teams the second that it becomes a bigger part of the game,
00:15:51 especially when we've seen this team lose because of special teams like multiple times in the recent past.
00:15:59 I mean, they missed for all of the awful Matt Patricia stuff in large part.
00:16:03 They missed the playoffs that year in large part because of special teams not executing in Buffalo.
00:16:08 That's that was a huge thing. Did you go along with that?
00:16:12 You know, it's still just Chad Ryland on the roster.
00:16:15 There's kickers out there. They haven't signed anybody. And I get a lot of offseason left.
00:16:18 They're not in a rush to do it. But that situation hasn't gotten talked about at all.
00:16:24 So I really am unsure about the way they're going, because I know there's been a lot of the talk radio types
00:16:33 who have pooh-poohed their investment in special teams over the years for a long time.
00:16:38 And if they're just reacting to that and saying, we're going to spend less money there, we're going to invest less there.
00:16:44 I don't I don't like that process that you're taking that input from what the fans are saying on something like that.
00:16:50 And I don't love the overall strategy of becoming less invested in something as it may become more important.
00:16:56 And you're not wrong. I will say, though, Matt makes a good point that not you, Matt, this Matt.
00:17:02 That's a good point that that, you know, the special teams sucked the last two years.
00:17:08 And that was with those guys. But right now, I know Chris Bord was one year. Right.
00:17:12 And but, you know, but the idea is that the special teams hasn't been good.
00:17:16 And so, you know, it has those guys aren't the reason that you're going to do well on special teams, in my opinion.
00:17:22 Right. And so you can bring in some guys, replace them.
00:17:26 I do think Miles Bryant, you mentioned Miles Bryant and, you know, people know I hate Miles Bryant, but I don't.
00:17:31 And this is the thing. I really started to gain some respect for Miles Bryant, certainly over the last year.
00:17:37 And I think the reason for that is because they were playing him out of position.
00:17:41 And it wasn't fair to him to be in the role that he was in, because that's he can't do that.
00:17:46 If you want to have him as a depth slot corner, he's pretty good. He's pretty good.
00:17:52 He's not great, but he's pretty good. He's smart. He doesn't make stupid mental mistakes.
00:17:58 Now, he's not good enough to cover a lot of guys. They put him one on one on the house, though.
00:18:05 The fast wide receiver that played in Buffalo, who's not there anymore.
00:18:08 Oh, my God. Torch them. Isaiah Mackenzie. Isaiah Mackenzie just absolutely torched him.
00:18:13 He can't do that. He can't cover that guy one on one. Right. This is not possible.
00:18:17 And so they put him in an impossible situation right there and he didn't hold up.
00:18:21 And so he looks terrible. But in actuality, he's a good player.
00:18:25 And so I liked having him as a depth. He's now he's a depth guy.
00:18:29 So, like, maybe he didn't want to come back. Maybe he wanted to change the scenery.
00:18:33 Maybe the Patriots were like, hey, look, we have some depth guys that we'd like here.
00:18:36 We're good to go. I don't know. But he's a better player than certainly I first thought.
00:18:43 And I think that a lot of people think because of that.
00:18:47 And so, you know, it's it's one of those things for me that I look at it and say, OK, you know, let's see what what can happen over there.
00:18:53 And of course, you have Marcus Jones, who I love. And, you know, you do have Isaiah Bolden, who, you know, was hurt all of the year this year.
00:19:02 Now, obviously, a very different player than than Brian.
00:19:05 But still, you have guys that are depth pieces and Alex Austin, who played well last year.
00:19:10 So I think they saw enough from the young guys that they feel like they're OK at the corner position.
00:19:15 But it's certainly something to keep an eye on.
00:19:18 Well, and depth at the corner was a big issue for them last year.
00:19:21 And Miles Bryant being able to give them something pretty consistently over the middle of the field to the defender was why they were able to stay competitive in some of those games.
00:19:30 Yes. And I don't know. He's not he's never going to be more than your third best defensive back or corner on the field.
00:19:37 Like you did not that kind of guy. Right. But he's also I'm assuming we don't have numbers.
00:19:42 He's also not going to get paid more than that. He is a role player.
00:19:46 And for not that much money to get a guy who can be your corner for who can be also kind of your third safety in that you can play in that role.
00:19:55 Also play time for you on special teams raises the floor of your defense is a good communicator and helps the guys around him, especially if you're bringing in young players.
00:20:04 Not sure why we're why we're in a rush to get rid of that.
00:20:08 I want they were interested in bringing them back, but not that interested.
00:20:12 And I just strange. And it won't tell me you're interested.
00:20:16 Like if they say something like we're interested in bringing them back, the Congress can be nothing.
00:20:20 It's like he got paid when it's and you can if you're overpaying for miles Bryant talking probably hundreds of thousands of dollars, not millions of dollars.
00:20:28 Yes. So, yeah, that's an area where I don't mind overpaying a tiny bit to get a guy who's a good leader in the locker room.
00:20:35 You know, he's a good player. You know, he's a good leader. You know, he's a decent depth guy.
00:20:38 Again, we're not breaking the bank for this guy. He's not starting for you, but he's a good he's a quality depth piece for you.
00:20:45 And if you know what you have in him versus drafting some guy in the fifth round who like who knows what that's, you know, so those are the things for me that, you know, I don't know.
00:20:55 And again, and not only saying they want more speed a corner. I've seen a few people say JC Jackson, but like I, I just, I don't see JC Jackson happening.
00:21:03 Gilmore, I would be on board with that. 100%. Yeah.
00:21:07 Because Gilmore outside with Gonzalez across from him, Jonathan Jones in the slot. I like that. Yeah, that'd be nice.
00:21:13 And I think the other thing here is it goes to the guy who's right behind you there on that wall. What do they get from Marcus Jones next year?
00:21:20 He is still what he played two and a half games this season. Yeah.
00:21:25 He had the same injury that that Christian dollars had, but he looked, he looked good in that span.
00:21:31 He's the kind of guy you draft when you're in the division with Tyra kill and Jalen Waddle. Exactly.
00:21:36 Wilson. And like, I like that, but he's still, you know, we're two seasons in and he's an undersized guy.
00:21:42 Got her still question marks and he could turn into a starter for them this year.
00:21:47 And it wouldn't surprise me. And if he's the kind of guy that hangs around as a returner, the next two seasons and doesn't get extended.
00:21:53 And they let him walk. That's also not really surprising.
00:21:56 You know, this can still go a lot of directions. And it seems like, you know, Christian is all this.
00:22:02 We like, but we still hadn't proven Jonathan Jones is a little bit older and he's had his injury issues.
00:22:07 And after that, there was no floor on this secondary.
00:22:11 Mark Jones still a question mark. Alex Austin, a question mark.
00:22:14 I thought it was well last year, but like, but still that was a limited time, small sample size.
00:22:21 Like it's hard to know what you're going to get from him, but I do like the idea of giving him a shot this year.
00:22:26 And this Marco Wilson, he ended up in New England because teams didn't want him.
00:22:31 Although he did, he was a popular claim, I believe on the waiver wire.
00:22:36 And who is a Bolden? Like he didn't stay three pick.
00:22:41 He didn't look like anything special in the preseason when he has.
00:22:44 And the thing about the, so the thing that excites me about Bolden is that he has the physicality to do it.
00:22:53 He's got the physical skills to do it now, whether he can actually, whether the technique can actually ever catch up and he can actually ever do it.
00:23:01 I don't know, but he has the speed and athleticism to be able to do it.
00:23:07 So that at least excites you because he's got the size, he's got the length, he's got the speed, those things he has.
00:23:13 And so you're like, Oh, should be a press.
00:23:15 Should be able to press it up there.
00:23:16 It's like it.
00:23:17 Right.
00:23:18 And so, you know, and again, I don't know if that's ever going to come if, if the, you know, if the, the actual like technique of it is ever going to come, but there's a chance at least.
00:23:27 Yeah.
00:23:28 Is Sean Wade still around for next year?
00:23:29 I think he might be as well.
00:23:30 I think so.
00:23:31 Yeah.
00:23:32 Yeah.
00:23:33 Which he, you know what?
00:23:34 He improved this past year.
00:23:35 He still wasn't anything fantastic, but playable.
00:23:39 I feel like Miles Bryant was better than Sean Wade by quite a, quite a margin in my eyes.
00:23:44 Yeah, for sure.
00:23:45 And I just, you know, this seems like a risky move in one where now you feel like you might have to draft a corner at some point.
00:23:51 Letting Miles Bryant walk for what we think is pennies and a lot of needs on this team.
00:23:56 But again, if you fill that one for cheap for two years and draft a corner next year.
00:24:00 Yeah.
00:24:01 I just think, you know, if you're looking at it and saying, you know, and I don't know how much you got paid, but if you look at it and say, Christian Gonzalez, maybe they're playing on some of the other teams.
00:24:08 I don't know.
00:24:09 But even if they're not Christian Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, maybe they're comfortable with, um, with Alex Austin right there.
00:24:21 And then you got Isaiah Bolden as your fifth and Sean Wade is in there as your sixth.
00:24:25 And you have, so you have some depth guys and you're going to draft someone, you know, end of day two or day three to try to be a guy that can be a depth guy as well.
00:24:34 I think that that's okay.
00:24:38 Um, but you know, I, I don't know.
00:24:40 It's, I mean, time will tell obviously, right.
00:24:44 If they go out and sign, Stefan Gilmore, obviously feel very different about it.
00:24:47 And there's been some smoke about that perhaps happening.
00:24:50 And so, um, but we'll see, he did not have a 90% completion percentage on him.
00:24:55 That's not correct.
00:24:56 Well, and it's the way that passer rating that's totally different.
00:25:00 Like Miles Bryant defended a lot of guys who were like underneath his job was like, yeah, you can give up the completion.
00:25:06 That's two yards and then wrap them up.
00:25:08 Correct.
00:25:09 And that's fine.
00:25:10 He's not an elite corner.
00:25:12 He's just like, you know, another Kyle Aaron.
00:25:15 Now he's not very different athlete than Kyle Arrington, but similar role in the team.
00:25:19 Right.
00:25:20 Right.
00:25:21 So, all right, let's get into this.
00:25:22 Hip drop is driving me.
00:25:23 I just, you tweeted it out like five days ago and it's so perfect that, you know, the NFL is going to, is going to do it because, you know, they're going to change the rules because Warren Sharp doesn't understand football.
00:25:35 Like, it's just the hip drop tackle.
00:25:37 I don't understand how you supposed to tackle.
00:25:41 Like how, how am I going to, like, if I wrap you up at the waist, how do I bring you down?
00:25:49 Do I have to like suplex you over my head?
00:25:52 Like, I don't understand how I'm supposed to bring you down.
00:25:54 Well, they, well, they, the way the rule is written, and this is one of the issues right off the bat is they aren't banning the hip drop tackle.
00:26:02 They're banning the swivel hip drop tackle, which is a particular variation of it.
00:26:08 And like, there's some plays where I can see what they mean.
00:26:11 Cause there's some plays where it's like, it's clear with a defender, what they're trying to ban is a defender grabbing the, the offensive player and then kind of just leaping up and jumping onto his legs to bring him down.
00:26:26 And like, I get why you're trying to ban that, but we're thinking these things happen so fast.
00:26:34 And I don't trust that the refs are going to be able to get this right consistently because we're talking about such a nuance to rule in a game that happens so fast.
00:26:43 You know, these players aren't trying to do that.
00:26:45 They're not trying to hurt other guys.
00:26:46 Right.
00:26:47 And if the players have a hard time doing this in real time, the rest are also going to have a hard time figuring this out in real time.
00:26:53 And the other part of this is that we all know the commentators aren't going to have any clue what's going on.
00:26:58 That's correct.
00:26:59 You know, you know, what's going to happen is I was back and forth with somebody on Twitter about this earlier today.
00:27:04 Like, you know, we're going to get a moment where there's a tackle.
00:27:07 There's a very obviously clean tackle, but it is from behind and you're going to get Chris Collinsworth or Tony Romer or one of those guys like, well, Jim, I don't know about a tackle.
00:27:20 That's very legal because they don't understand what the rule is.
00:27:23 Now everybody who's watching the game is confused.
00:27:26 It's just so it drives me that drives me crazy.
00:27:29 And I'll tell you, like, you know, Greg Thompson, friend of the show, Greg Thompson, who's been on before from cover one.
00:27:36 He tweeted out the the blue dress, the blue dress versus the gold dress.
00:27:41 And they were like, you know, he's like, this is the NFL refs, like trying to trying to decipher whether what's a hip drop tackle.
00:27:47 And, you know, and then he's the Laurel Yanney thing.
00:27:50 I don't know if you guys remember these.
00:27:52 Yeah, you know, it's all the same thing, like, you know, after a view, the the person was saying Laurel and not Yanny.
00:27:59 And so therefore, it's been year round.
00:28:01 It's impossible.
00:28:02 It's impossible to stop these guys.
00:28:05 And again, like, how do you know what's a hip drop?
00:28:08 What isn't I guess the swivel?
00:28:10 I get it right.
00:28:11 You don't want to like gator twist them, I suppose.
00:28:13 But like, did anyone do that?
00:28:15 Like, was the Mark Andrews tackle this year?
00:28:17 Was that that he swiveled down?
00:28:19 And that's like their example, which like I kind of see.
00:28:22 But like, they played a video of like, tackles that fit the definition for this.
00:28:26 And you watch the tackles like half of them did not fit the definition that they gave out.
00:28:30 And it's like, has no idea.
00:28:32 What are we?
00:28:33 So what are we?
00:28:34 I was the reason why.
00:28:35 And I get what?
00:28:37 Go ahead.
00:28:38 Go ahead.
00:28:39 Go ahead.
00:28:40 Well, no, like I get the idea.
00:28:41 I understand how certain tackling forms can be dangerous.
00:28:43 I just feel like we're taking a very, very, very fringe case.
00:28:49 And we're going to turn a mountain, a mold hill into a mountain here with.
00:28:51 Yeah.
00:28:52 Here's why.
00:28:53 Are you ready?
00:28:54 All right.
00:28:55 Buckle up.
00:28:56 Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.
00:28:57 Here you go.
00:28:58 Here it is right here.
00:28:59 And this is why the NFL is changing the rule.
00:29:00 This is why the NFL has added more fines.
00:29:01 Lately.
00:29:02 Remember that?
00:29:03 Remember last year, the last two years, they've gotten fines for putting their head down.
00:29:07 I mean, it's the stupidest rules of all time.
00:29:10 And they're getting fined $30,000.
00:29:12 And here's why.
00:29:13 Do you know where those fines go?
00:29:16 It's charity, right?
00:29:18 Yeah.
00:29:19 Well, kind of.
00:29:20 They go to retired players.
00:29:22 They go into the fund that pays out retired players.
00:29:26 Okay.
00:29:27 Oh, that's it.
00:29:28 So the NFL is trying to give retired players more money, but they won't pay them more money.
00:29:36 So they're stealing, stealing, they're stealing money from current offensive, current NFL players
00:29:44 to give to retired NFL players.
00:29:47 And they're there.
00:29:49 What they're doing.
00:29:50 Right.
00:29:51 What they're doing is they're doing it under the guise of player safety, which is even
00:29:57 more laughable.
00:29:58 And it's so there's no being cheap.
00:30:00 It's the NFL, the multi-billion dollar company being cheap and having their current players
00:30:06 pay for the retired players.
00:30:08 Well, there's like no recourse for if you get fined.
00:30:11 Right.
00:30:12 As far as I know, because like some of these fines are like, I get it.
00:30:15 Like there's some there's some players, but it's like, hey, the refs miss it and it deserves
00:30:18 a fine.
00:30:19 But then you got guys posting clips of the plays that were actually fine.
00:30:22 Then it's like there's literally just a regular football play.
00:30:25 Nothing happened.
00:30:26 It even comes close to violating the rules.
00:30:28 Right.
00:30:29 And that's well, that's who's the running back from Pittsburgh, Jalen Warren, Jalen
00:30:35 Warren.
00:30:36 I just never forget, like Matt Chatham posted a video and he was like, Jalen Warren was
00:30:42 fined $30,000 for this play.
00:30:44 It was passing.
00:30:45 I think.
00:30:46 And he goes, if you don't know who Jalen Warren is, you're never going to be able to find
00:30:50 it.
00:30:51 Never.
00:30:52 You can watch as a million times.
00:30:53 You never know how to find it.
00:30:54 Yeah.
00:30:55 So it's just it's crazy.
00:30:56 That's the type of stuff where it's like, unless it's egregious, what are we doing?
00:31:00 What are you doing?
00:31:01 You see, you know what I think the NFL's real agenda here?
00:31:04 I don't think they're being cheap.
00:31:05 I think the goal here is to do something the players are going to hate so that when the
00:31:10 next CBA comes around, they can be like, oh, yeah, you know, we'll we'll give you that
00:31:15 process.
00:31:16 You want to do appeal for fines and you get some of this stuff overturned.
00:31:19 Just give us the 18th game like that's I feel like that maybe I'm getting too conspiracy
00:31:25 theorist.
00:31:26 You're not wrong.
00:31:27 No, that's that makes that makes quite a lot of sense, too.
00:31:29 Yeah.
00:31:30 But yeah, the other thing like with this, somebody mentioned how you can attack with
00:31:33 Josh Allen.
00:31:35 That dude, every time he gets action behind is going to be like throwing his legs backwards
00:31:39 to make it look like it's a drop tackle.
00:31:42 And at least once they're going to fall for it.
00:31:44 And he's going to get a free first down in the game somewhere.
00:31:47 And we're all going to be annoyed on Twitter like somebody clip this rope 30, 31 minutes
00:31:50 into this clip this because we're going to be bringing this back up in September, October,
00:31:54 November, because it's going to happen.
00:31:55 Yeah.
00:31:56 Well, the other thing is, it's either going to be that or they're just never going to
00:32:01 call it.
00:32:02 And there's going to be one play where somebody actually does get hurt on it.
00:32:06 And they're still not going to call it.
00:32:08 And we're all going to be sitting here like, well, what was the point of all of this?
00:32:11 Right.
00:32:12 Because with the NFL, there's no I mean, we remember the pass interference stuff, how
00:32:15 they instituted the pass interference challenge.
00:32:17 And for like a month, it was good.
00:32:19 And then the refs just decided we're not going to overturn this no matter what on challenges.
00:32:24 And for the rest of the year, nothing happened.
00:32:25 And they just got rid of the rule.
00:32:27 Yeah.
00:32:28 So well, and I think to like, one of the things that I do like that they brought in, which
00:32:33 is nice, is that the booth can review some place, right?
00:32:41 Some place, which is nice, right?
00:32:43 Intentional ground and they can review roughing the passer, right?
00:32:46 Is that they can review, there's a few things that they can review that's obvious.
00:32:50 And it's not like not subjective things.
00:32:53 Right, like, which is nice.
00:32:55 And that's good to see.
00:32:57 Because some of those things I look at it and say, okay, and I like the fact that's
00:33:02 coming from the booth, because it's like, is it obvious?
00:33:05 Yes.
00:33:06 Okay, here's the right call.
00:33:07 Bam, we're done.
00:33:08 Let's not stop time to do this.
00:33:09 Like, is it obvious?
00:33:10 Yes, it is.
00:33:11 All right, that should have been the call.
00:33:13 Or you screwed that call up, you got the call wrong, you called it, you know, in the ground
00:33:17 and it wasn't what are we doing?
00:33:18 I think I agree.
00:33:20 And I think, you know, they should expand what's reviewable and cut down on the amount
00:33:25 of time that you have to actually do the reviewing.
00:33:30 And get more people involved in the process too.
00:33:32 Because if we're, if we're doing something that's like procedural, like, you know, an
00:33:37 exact yard line for something, we're not looking at like a first down, but just like, you know,
00:33:41 just double checking something or doing a clock thing or something like that.
00:33:45 Like, that's the kind of thing where you can get somebody in a booth in New York who works
00:33:48 for the NFL to look at it, take 15 seconds, look at it and be like, hey, here's where
00:33:52 it is.
00:33:53 Why?
00:33:54 We don't.
00:33:55 Why can the NHL do it and the NFL can't?
00:33:57 I don't understand why the NHL do it and the NFL can't.
00:34:01 It doesn't make any sense.
00:34:03 How many times and part of this is with March Madness happening now and all of the reviews
00:34:08 that you get in college basketball has ticked me off with this too.
00:34:11 But it's like, how can we as fans see something super clearly on the first or second replay
00:34:18 of this show on TV?
00:34:20 And then it takes two and a half more minutes before the official makes a call and announces
00:34:25 it.
00:34:26 Let's hurry it up.
00:34:27 And if it takes you two and a half minutes to fix, first of all, somebody should not
00:34:29 take you two and a half minutes.
00:34:30 Correct.
00:34:31 Yeah.
00:34:32 But if it does, it's not obvious and you shouldn't be overturning it.
00:34:35 It should be that simple.
00:34:36 And this is another thing where having people in a booth can help.
00:34:39 If you've got somebody upstairs who's watching the game, you don't even sometimes you might
00:34:43 not even really have to stop play that much.
00:34:46 You can you can do it within the flow of the game to review these things like they've done
00:34:51 with reviewing every single scoring play, which you don't even really notice now unless
00:34:57 it's the ones where you knew it was going to be close anyway.
00:34:59 Well, and that's that's the other that's the other part of it is that it doesn't matter.
00:35:05 The refs on the field don't have to make any decisions at all.
00:35:08 They don't have to make one decision.
00:35:11 Have the guys in the booth make decision and DJ Daniel says it might be the ref union and
00:35:14 it certainly might be the referee union.
00:35:16 But like, but I just I don't get that because this is this is an opportunity for more refs.
00:35:20 We can get an extra ref in every game and have it be somebody upstairs.
00:35:24 Like that should be a good thing for everybody involved.
00:35:26 And it's extra insulation in the public eye for these guys because there's less pressure
00:35:31 on getting it.
00:35:32 And it's you know, this is what I think about is like you go back to the past Chiefs game
00:35:37 in twenty nineteen with Nikhil Harry stepping out in that whole thing, something like that,
00:35:42 which CBS cuts to the first replay.
00:35:44 We all see what happened.
00:35:46 There should just be an easy recourse to be like, hey, you know, we all saw what happened.
00:35:50 We're going to we're going to look at a situation where the Patriots had no timeouts and so
00:35:54 they couldn't challenge it or they were out of challenges.
00:35:56 I think the Patriots didn't challenge it.
00:35:58 They were out of challenges.
00:35:59 But what I'm saying is something like that, it shouldn't come down to a challenge.
00:36:02 Not that clear and obvious.
00:36:03 Have a guy who's watching it and who sees the feed and who goes, oh, we're going to
00:36:06 change this real quick or like, right.
00:36:08 Everybody's watching.
00:36:09 Yeah.
00:36:10 I mean, I think March Madness Friday night saw that block that was ruled a foul that
00:36:15 or the Thursday night or whatever that was.
00:36:17 And it's like the whole sports in general would be way better for the officials and
00:36:22 for the fans if there were somebody who was watching like the TV feed or whatever, you
00:36:26 saw what the fans are seeing and could help make a couple of calls or, you know.
00:36:31 Right.
00:36:32 And it's this and this is getting more than once a week thing.
00:36:34 Right.
00:36:35 And to your point, it's not the subjective ones.
00:36:37 It's not the, well, he hit him, but it wasn't serious content.
00:36:41 Just no, no, no, no, no.
00:36:42 It's he didn't even touch him.
00:36:44 You called the foul or you called the penalty and it never happened.
00:36:48 It wasn't there.
00:36:49 Like, so let's fix it right now.
00:36:51 You can make an argument that there's, you know, I don't want someone in the booth saying,
00:36:55 well, yeah, but did he, you know, did he kind of touch them?
00:37:00 Did he not touch him?
00:37:01 I don't, you know, he got them, but did it really affect?
00:37:04 I don't want that.
00:37:05 I don't want that.
00:37:06 I don't want to deal with that.
00:37:07 So if he, if he hit him, he hit him.
00:37:09 You want to call it, they call it fine.
00:37:11 But you know, if the guy didn't get touched, what are we talking about?
00:37:15 You know?
00:37:16 So those are the things that I think that we can, we can kind of go from there.
00:37:19 You know what I mean?
00:37:20 Yeah.
00:37:21 And it's like, go to the saints Rams, NFC championship game in the past new fear.
00:37:25 And that wasn't called.
00:37:26 That's one of those things.
00:37:27 It's like, Hey, somebody can be like, Hey, this is, you know, pretty, pretty obvious.
00:37:30 We're going to, you called down to the head ref.
00:37:32 This is one we're going to intervene on.
00:37:33 We're going to throw a flag here.
00:37:34 And then, and this is, I mean, we're talking about calls from 2018 and 2019 right now.
00:37:40 That's how infrequent these things actually happen in games.
00:37:43 I don't think most people are only going to notice this when it's a good thing.
00:37:46 And I think it's a DJ in the chat is saying refs might not like it because they lose authority.
00:37:51 And I understand that.
00:37:52 But I also think rest might like it because it means they're less, they get a little more
00:37:58 margin for error.
00:37:59 Yeah.
00:38:00 And it's a mistake and it won't cost you the game because there is some kind of a safety
00:38:04 blanket there.
00:38:05 And I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I think.
00:38:09 I think they would be a lot more amenable to it if we got rid of the pool reporters
00:38:16 and they had to actually address the media.
00:38:18 And I don't think that will ever happen, but if they had to actually get up and address
00:38:22 the media after a game, the head ref had to go out and address the media.
00:38:27 They'd be okay with it.
00:38:28 Well, and this is also the hard thing with it is that obviously I like that idea, but
00:38:33 also if you have refs to go in front of the press and can't defend their calls, then the
00:38:38 second that that ref gets assigned to your team, you're throwing a fit over the fact
00:38:43 that it happens.
00:38:45 So it's, I don't know, it's a tough situation.
00:38:49 I just think it's unfair to the refs to put them in a position where they actually have
00:38:54 a worse view of what's going on than almost every single person who watches the game because
00:39:00 everybody else gets it on TV.
00:39:02 Right, right.
00:39:03 I agree.
00:39:04 All right.
00:39:05 Let's take a break and we'll get into, what's that?
00:39:07 Do we want Damien Harris?
00:39:09 Do we want to talk about real, real, real care?
00:39:11 Damien Harris retired.
00:39:12 I like Damien Harris.
00:39:13 Good player.
00:39:14 But like...
00:39:15 He had a neck injury last year, so I'm assuming that's...
00:39:17 Yeah, I would think that that has something to do with it, right?
00:39:20 Doesn't want to mess with things.
00:39:21 You know, it might be an injury, might not necessarily be an injury.
00:39:24 He might be cleared medically to play and just said, "No, I'm not messing with it.
00:39:28 I'm all set."
00:39:29 You know, I don't know.
00:39:32 But you know, yeah, good player.
00:39:34 But I mean...
00:39:35 He gave us the win in Buffalo in 2021, so...
00:39:37 Yes, which was nice, right?
00:39:39 But he was drafted in...
00:39:40 Was he drafted in 2020 by the Patriots?
00:39:41 Or 2019?
00:39:42 I think it was 2019.
00:39:43 I think it was...
00:39:44 It must have been 2019.
00:39:45 I think it was the third round pick in 2019, I think.
00:39:49 Yeah.
00:39:50 I think it was...
00:39:51 Was Mondrae drafted in 2020?
00:39:52 Mondrae was 2020, yeah.
00:39:53 2020.
00:39:54 And I think Harris was 2019.
00:39:55 Or was Mondrae '21.
00:39:56 Now I'm getting myself all messed up.
00:39:57 Yep, 19 third round.
00:39:58 I knew someone in the chat, two people in the chat, Matt, Minito, and... and Thad helping
00:40:08 us out.
00:40:09 Appreciate you.
00:40:10 And Mondrae was '21.
00:40:11 Mondrae was '21.
00:40:12 Fourth round, 2021.
00:40:13 Yeah.
00:40:14 Three years apart.
00:40:15 Hey, they're probably...
00:40:16 Well, I'd say they're due for drafting another running back.
00:40:17 I think we know that anyway, especially with...
00:40:19 Yeah.
00:40:20 I think you guys, they drafted not working out.
00:40:21 Quite true.
00:40:22 Quite true.
00:40:23 All right.
00:40:24 So let's take a quick break.
00:40:25 We'll come back.
00:40:27 We'll talk about my draft, my mock draft, which came out today on Pat's Pulpit.
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00:41:36 So, Old Man Mob's asking about whether the Patriots will trade Ramadre Stevens or not.
00:41:41 I cannot, cannot believe that they would trade Ramadre.
00:41:47 So I mean, you know, I suppose you never know, but I'd be shocked if they did that.
00:41:52 He's literally their best offensive player, so I can't imagine that they would trade him.
00:41:56 Yeah, I know they might.
00:41:58 They might not resign him, but I don't think they're going to trade him.
00:42:01 And that's the thing.
00:42:02 I know he's up after the next year, but like you're not going to get a lot for him either.
00:42:05 So it's like, you know, if you were getting a early second round pick or something like
00:42:08 that, that'd be a different story.
00:42:09 You're not.
00:42:10 You're not getting a second round pick back for Ramadre.
00:42:11 So like, it's not worth it.
00:42:13 He's one of those guys who like, if he has a really good season and you're at the trade
00:42:16 deadline, there's a playoff team that lost their running back and somebody is going to
00:42:19 give you like a third for him for half a season.
00:42:22 Yeah, I know all these times I'm thinking about that.
00:42:25 Correct.
00:42:26 I don't think, I don't think he's, his stock would get that high.
00:42:29 And the money they have, I think I would rather just resign him after two.
00:42:33 Yep.
00:42:34 Nonally took us up with a little thumbs up.
00:42:36 Appreciate that.
00:42:37 Give the channel a thumbs up.
00:42:38 Space Cadet asked about Judon.
00:42:39 No chance.
00:42:40 No chance.
00:42:41 Matthew Judon is, has talked about being a patriot, is the consummate patriot, continuously
00:42:47 trying to get people over here in New England.
00:42:48 Like, you know, he's a patriot.
00:42:50 They're keeping him here.
00:42:51 So that's the way it goes.
00:42:52 All right.
00:42:53 You want to get into, let's do the listener mocks first and then we'll go through my mock.
00:42:57 What do you think about that?
00:42:58 Let's do it.
00:42:59 Let's do it.
00:43:00 Which one do we, you got any preferences here on what we're going to start with?
00:43:04 It doesn't matter.
00:43:05 Whichever one you want.
00:43:06 We'll go, we'll go from, from the top here.
00:43:08 We didn't, we didn't get all of them included in this one.
00:43:11 We're going to have a couple from this that I think we're going to have next week.
00:43:14 Well, I'll start with the first one here from Thaddeus Skywalker.
00:43:19 Thad has one in every single week.
00:43:21 I'm thinking.
00:43:22 Yeah, his numbers are up there.
00:43:25 This one from Thad, he has Drake May at pick three, a trade back in the second round with
00:43:31 Keon Coleman being taken at pick 37, offensive tackle Patrick Paul at pick 68, cornerback
00:43:39 DJ James from Auburn at one Oh three safety, Deidre and Taylor Demerson from Texas tech
00:43:45 at one 14, Theo Johnson at one 37, Ray Davis, the running back at one 53 and led various
00:43:51 Henderson and the Michigan offensive line at one 80.
00:43:55 What do you think, Pat?
00:43:56 Oh, I mean, I like it.
00:43:58 You know, it's, it's, it's pretty good.
00:44:00 I can't call when I like, I like him at 37 a heck of a lot better than people were talking
00:44:04 in the twenties or, you know, in the teens or whatever.
00:44:07 So I like Keon Coleman.
00:44:08 I am worried about his separation numbers.
00:44:11 Um, I worry about that very good contested catch guy monster, uh, at times of Florida
00:44:17 state, but I worry about the separation numbers.
00:44:19 Um, I am sold.
00:44:22 I'm sold on Drake May, uh, at three.
00:44:25 I think it makes sense.
00:44:26 I think he might be the quarterback of the future.
00:44:28 And if that's the case, taking him at three makes a ton of sense.
00:44:31 I like Patrick Paul a lot too.
00:44:33 Um, and so, you know, you draft a corner and DJ James, you'd have to safety.
00:44:37 You just the tight end, you'd have to run him back and then you draft an offensive line.
00:44:40 I like it.
00:44:41 So yeah, yeah, good.
00:44:42 And I got, I got to watch that safety.
00:44:44 I haven't checked him out.
00:44:45 Uh, obviously with Jonathan Jones that had good luck with the Auburn corners.
00:44:48 So I haven't gotten into his tape either.
00:44:51 I haven't gotten into much defensive tape this cycle yet.
00:44:53 Uh, but yeah, well, I love the positions there.
00:44:56 Yep.
00:44:57 That's great.
00:44:58 Next up, Gavin Gardner sending us one.
00:45:02 We got, we got a couple of trades in this one.
00:45:04 Uh, Patriots trade with the Vikings back to 11.
00:45:08 Uh, and they are going to get Olu Fashanou at 11, which I think would be awesome.
00:45:13 And they also pick up 23 and what their pick future first future fifth, I think in that
00:45:19 trade.
00:45:20 Uh, then they're going to trade back again from 23 back to 27, get 80 Mitchell at 27,
00:45:26 Michael Penix 34, Max Melton, the corner from Rutgers at 80 Trey Benson, the running back
00:45:33 from Florida state at one Oh three Theo Johnson, a favorite in here, one 21 Christian Boyd
00:45:39 from Northern Iowa at one 37, uh, Roger Rosen, garden to tackle at one 45.
00:45:46 Am I a Pritchett corner at, I think that's one 62, uh, Jordan Jefferson, the defensive
00:45:52 lineman at one 80 and CJ Hanson, the guard from Holy cross at two 14.
00:45:58 Yeah, I like it.
00:46:00 I mean, I love, you know, all those, a beast.
00:46:02 Um, I don't know if 80 Mitchell is going to be there at 27, but I liked the idea of moving
00:46:06 back down again, picking up some extra assets.
00:46:09 Penix.
00:46:10 I added one of my drafts.
00:46:11 I love them.
00:46:12 Uh, I'm a big fan of them.
00:46:14 I worry, I worry so much about his knee.
00:46:18 Um, and I also worry about not only his knee, but also the ability to, you know, throw the
00:46:25 ball over the middle of the field and read everything else, you know, but I do like them.
00:46:29 I just, I don't know how 34.
00:46:32 I feel good about that.
00:46:33 I agree with you.
00:46:34 I agree.
00:46:35 And I like the rest of the draft too.
00:46:36 I mean, Trey Benson, I think makes a ton of sense.
00:46:38 Um, there's some injury question marks about him too, but if you're comfortable with the
00:46:41 medicals, he's a heck of a running back.
00:46:43 Yep.
00:46:44 Yep.
00:46:45 I like Christian Boyd here.
00:46:46 Who's the guy they've been tied to as well.
00:46:48 I think I could see doing them like, and he was good at the senior ball.
00:46:51 I think with the senior ball at Rosengarden, it's a right tackle who seemed like a guy
00:46:57 who could be a really high quality swing tackle for you.
00:47:01 And I liked that, especially cause you know, obviously we're excited that Michael Wenu
00:47:07 is going to be your right tackle full time, but in a world, you know, if injuries happen
00:47:11 or whatever, if you got a quality tackle backup that allows you to shift him back inside,
00:47:16 if needed to, it allows you to take advantage of his versatility.
00:47:19 And we all know they need more depth to tackle.
00:47:22 So getting two tackles, the high upside for Shanu and the high floor Rosengarden.
00:47:29 Um, I really liked that pairing.
00:47:31 Yeah, I like it too.
00:47:32 And look, you know, not only to saying that Theo is only good at testing and his production
00:47:36 was terrible and he's super slow at turning and all this, that that's a hundred percent
00:47:40 true and I don't, I agree with you, but tight end is a position that's nothing in college
00:47:49 and developed into something in the pros that just fit that the tight end position is filled
00:47:54 with guys like that.
00:47:55 And so, you know, you're taking them in what the fourth, fifth round in this mock, like
00:47:59 I'm okay with taking a flyer in the fourth or fifth round and a guy that has, you know,
00:48:04 elite athleticism, even if the production isn't there, even if he's not a good tight
00:48:08 end right now, we can develop into one.
00:48:10 And it's, you look at the way tight ends develop in the NFL, like it's a, it could be a two,
00:48:15 three, four year development curve before these guys become starters.
00:48:19 So I think Theo Johnson is a guy who you're, you're drafting him hoping that in 2026, he's
00:48:26 one of your starters.
00:48:27 That's yeah, that's the idea there.
00:48:29 Um, and it's something about tight end.
00:48:31 These guys, they just take a longer to develop pretty much across the board with a couple
00:48:35 notable recent exceptions.
00:48:37 I think Sam Laporta is a guy who really stands out there, Dalton Kincaid, but those are also
00:48:41 guys who are primarily, um, you know, even receiving tight ends, even pits and pits has
00:48:47 gotten chat on, but like he had a thousand yards this rookie year.
00:48:51 So like, you know, he's a good, he's a good receiver.
00:48:54 Just, yeah, he dealt with injuries and that offense was terrible.
00:48:56 So, um, all right, well, we got, what's up next.
00:49:00 This one is from Andrew Campanella.
00:49:03 He also does a trade back here with Minnesota and a second trade back with the Raiders.
00:49:07 So the first pick here is at 13 Patriots take Troy Fautenu tackle from Washington and their
00:49:13 AD Mitchell this time at 29 with another trade back in there tackle Karan Amagaji at 59 Michael
00:49:21 Pennix at 61 in this month, 61 to find a sweat defensive tackle from Texas at 68 Jacob Cowling
00:49:31 receiver from Arizona at 103 cam heart, the corner from Notre Dame one of nine, that is
00:49:36 one of eight, uh, Isaac Garendo halfback from Louisville at one 37 tip Raymond tight end
00:49:43 from Illinois at one 80 Frank Gore Jr.
00:49:47 The halfback, you know, he played halfback from Southern Miss.
00:49:50 They are in the sixth round and Jalen green, uh, edge defender from James Madison.
00:49:55 It is seven.
00:49:56 I'm going to give us, I have not, I have nothing I can give you on Jalen green.
00:50:00 I do not know who that is.
00:50:02 The rest of the straps I like, well, you know, what's interesting.
00:50:05 I can give you something on Jalen green.
00:50:06 I'm going to save that for later though.
00:50:08 That's a, that's what we call a big market tease.
00:50:10 I'm gonna save that for later.
00:50:11 Uh, but I like that pick.
00:50:13 Um, I like this draft, you know, there's a lot of good players in the draft.
00:50:17 I think panic's being there at 60 is wild, but it could happen.
00:50:20 I think sweat being there that late is not so I don't think there's a 0% chance that
00:50:25 happens, but I guess you never know, but he is an absolute monster.
00:50:29 If he's not gone by the end of the second round, I don't, I don't know anything about
00:50:34 anything.
00:50:35 Like it just, what are you doing?
00:50:36 You know, you got to draft that guy.
00:50:37 So, um, and he's a guy that like, if I were the Patriots and he's sitting in, you're in
00:50:41 the fifties and he still was on the board, I would take 68 and package it with something
00:50:46 to go get him because he's that good that like you put him next to a guy like Christian
00:50:51 barn one.
00:50:52 Oh my God.
00:50:53 You know?
00:50:54 So, um, so it's interesting.
00:50:55 The panic's thing is interesting because not only saying they don't like panics, uh, and,
00:51:00 and he's right.
00:51:01 Mayo said they were five quarterbacks.
00:51:02 Now he didn't say who the five quarterbacks were, but he said they were five quarterbacks.
00:51:08 Um, and they haven't been linked to panics.
00:51:12 They haven't met with panics.
00:51:13 None of that.
00:51:14 You go back and forth.
00:51:16 Here's the thing.
00:51:18 I just, is it a smoke screen?
00:51:20 Do they really like panics?
00:51:22 And they're just trying to get people to the center.
00:51:24 I don't know.
00:51:25 Like right now is silly season.
00:51:26 Like there's, there's certainly a chance that the Patriots are in on Michael panics and
00:51:31 they just don't want to tell anyone that that's the case.
00:51:33 You know that they're hoping if they make that trade with, you know, Minnesota to do
00:51:39 11 and 23 that they can draft Michael panics at 23.
00:51:42 I don't know, but like, I think that there's a chance that that's what they want to have
00:51:46 happened and they don't want anything linking them to Michael panics at all.
00:51:49 Well, they also, you know, they got ties to Washington now with Tyler Hughes being there
00:51:54 and they may feel like they can get a lot of good Intel from him.
00:51:57 Um, and you know, they could still do a pre-draft beating with panics.
00:52:00 They can bring him in to Foxborough if they want.
00:52:04 Um, you know, there's, they can meet with himself.
00:52:06 They'd like to.
00:52:07 So, um, but I also, you know, with his injuries, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a guy who
00:52:11 was also totally off their board.
00:52:13 You know, he's going to be off team boards this year because of the injuries and that
00:52:18 wouldn't shock me.
00:52:19 Um, also what we're talking about, where the QBs are ranked at the top.
00:52:23 I thought it was interesting.
00:52:24 Derek class and who evaluates QBs.
00:52:26 I had just come on here last Thursday and said, I'm not at all interested in Spencer
00:52:30 Rattler.
00:52:31 He said, based on the tape, he thinks Spencer Rattler is his QB five in this draft.
00:52:37 So you know, that's something he's smarter than I am.
00:52:39 So I might have to go back and take a look at this and evaluate some of it.
00:52:44 But, um, I understand when the other note on this, before we get to the next one, there's
00:52:48 a lot of smoker on JJ McCarthy at two.
00:52:51 Now I don't, I don't buy it.
00:52:53 I think it's people just making stuff up, but, um, it's interesting at least.
00:52:57 Yeah.
00:52:58 Yeah.
00:52:59 I agree.
00:53:00 So the draft starts at two.
00:53:01 I mean, obviously we know who's going number one right now and no one has any idea what
00:53:06 Washington is doing to two.
00:53:07 And then what Washington does at two is going to impact what the papers do with three.
00:53:09 So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens.
00:53:12 And we did see, you know, the guys, the team that picks what two, three, four and five
00:53:16 all come out in the last week talking about how they're open for business for trades.
00:53:20 So yeah, yeah.
00:53:22 I haven't seen it quite like that before.
00:53:25 It seems like teams are lining up to say, Hey, Minnesota, we'll take your draft.
00:53:29 Yeah.
00:53:30 Yeah.
00:53:31 Uh, one more here.
00:53:33 This is from Ollie Dyer.
00:53:34 He says long time listener from across the pond, wanted to send it a mock for us to critique
00:53:40 slash laugh at.
00:53:41 I don't think there's going to be too much laughing with this one, but we'll, we'll,
00:53:44 we'll see how we'll see how Pat takes it.
00:53:46 Uh, we've got a trade back to start with the giants.
00:53:50 Patriots are on the clock at six overall.
00:53:53 They take Joe Alt.
00:53:55 They are tackled from Notre Dame in the second.
00:53:57 You add Xavier Liggett from South Carolina, by the way, the trade back, you pick up a
00:54:02 future first and a sixth rounder in it.
00:54:06 Third round, Max Melton, the corner from Rutgers fourth.
00:54:10 It's a podcast hero.
00:54:13 Ben Senate tight end from Kansas state, a fifth round, Luke McCaffrey, wide receiver
00:54:18 from rice.
00:54:19 His comments is double dip at receiver.
00:54:21 Why not?
00:54:22 And then sixth and seventh.
00:54:25 Yeah.
00:54:26 AJ Barner, Dylan Lowe, B Tanner Bordellini and CJ Hanson.
00:54:30 That's that's two CJ Hansons.
00:54:32 So I'm going to take a look at this guy.
00:54:34 This is, this is just outright pandering.
00:54:36 Hey, this guy's just pandering right now.
00:54:38 I mean, this is incredible.
00:54:40 It's incredible.
00:54:41 If the patrons came away with this draft, like it'd be unreal, right?
00:54:46 You're drafting who I've said on here, the safest player in the entire draft and Joe
00:54:50 Walden number six and getting a future first round pick next year.
00:54:54 You're drafting leg in the second round, who I think is a beast.
00:54:57 Max Melton's a very good corner in the third round.
00:55:00 Then you're drafting Ben Senate.
00:55:01 I mean, we love Benson.
00:55:02 We all, everyone knows that.
00:55:04 Then you get Luke McCaffrey and Dylan lobby as well.
00:55:07 B Tanner Bordellini.
00:55:08 Are you kidding me?
00:55:09 This is, this would be, this is all the draft of the week.
00:55:14 This draft is just missing Eric Hall.
00:55:16 That's it.
00:55:17 Yeah, true.
00:55:18 Very true.
00:55:19 Um, also there's one, there's one more that, uh, that Wes sent me, my buddy Wes, uh, who
00:55:25 we read his on, on the show last week and he, I thought it was funny.
00:55:29 So I just, I just read it to you because it's fantastic.
00:55:32 He called it the, uh, who needs playmakers?
00:55:34 We want beef mock draft and he, no trades.
00:55:39 He drafted Drake May three and then went all defensive and offensive line.
00:55:43 Brandon Fisk, uh, Braden, I'm sorry, Braden Fisk at 34 from Florida state.
00:55:48 Just a really good pass rushing interior defensive lineman.
00:55:52 Uh, Karen Imagi from Yale at 68.
00:55:56 Another, another tackle said, dig Fran, Fran, who is an interior offensive lineman from
00:56:01 Georgia, Zach Zinter, who's an interior office line from Michigan, Tanner Bordellini, who's
00:56:05 an interior office alignment for Wisconsin.
00:56:09 And then an Ed's from Washington and an offensive tackle from South Dakota state.
00:56:13 I just, I love the idea because he's just like, screw it.
00:56:17 We're just drafting all big guys.
00:56:19 The thing to know about Wes is that he is an offensive line coach.
00:56:22 Uh, and so, you know, he likes the big guys up front.
00:56:26 He has a soft spot for the big guys, you know, but, um, but you know, but I was like, oh
00:56:30 my God, that's so funny.
00:56:31 I love it.
00:56:32 So,
00:56:33 I, well, you know, you gotta, you gotta build the foundation.
00:56:36 You know, you gotta, you gotta win on the line of scrimmage.
00:56:39 I think most importantly, you can't lose on the line of scrimmage.
00:56:42 Well, that's what the lions did, right?
00:56:43 The lions, the lions have done that, right?
00:56:45 They, they have trade, they've drafted a bunch of guys early on, on both the offensive and
00:56:50 defensive line, you know, Penny Sewell, number seven overall, they draft the number one pick
00:56:55 the draft, Aiden Hutchinson.
00:56:56 Like, you know, you have to be good on the two, on the two lines.
00:56:59 Now I don't know if I'd go as far as West did, uh, and Jeff all offensive and defensive
00:57:03 linemen, but you know, like, I think it's important to get, to get some guys.
00:57:07 So
00:57:08 you want to remake.
00:57:09 And I think that's, you know, one of the question marks we have going forward for this team
00:57:13 is how did they view their line of scrimmage play going forward?
00:57:16 You know, different coaches, they might want to play differently on both sides of the ball.
00:57:21 And if that's the case, I won't be surprised if they say, Hey, we are just going to overhaul
00:57:25 the line.
00:57:26 We're going to draft, you know, two tackles, a garden, a center this year.
00:57:28 I don't think that's totally out of the picture.
00:57:30 Great.
00:57:31 That's the all Nick team as DJ Daniel says, all he's draft, draft a bunch of Nicks.
00:57:36 I like it.
00:57:37 Thank you everybody.
00:57:38 You sent one in.
00:57:39 What's the email for that Pat?
00:57:40 So it's Pat's nation podcast at no, that's not, that's not my podcast.
00:57:46 That's not right.
00:57:47 Hold on.
00:57:48 Hold please.
00:57:49 Pat's nation network@gmail.com.
00:57:50 It's all one word.
00:57:52 Pat's nation network@gmail.com.
00:57:55 So I try to, I try to respond to everyone.
00:57:59 I signed your name too, Matt, even though you don't do any work.
00:58:01 Well you do the work, I send you the things and then you, and then you make it look nice
00:58:04 for the show.
00:58:05 I actually respond to the emails.
00:58:08 But I signed your name on it anyways, as if you were, as if you're responding, but I,
00:58:11 you know, I speak for the two of us.
00:58:13 And so I appreciate you guys sending us in and you keep doing it cause we got all week.
00:58:17 And by the way, we're going to get into my mock draft 3.0 right here.
00:58:20 Yeah, let's do it.
00:58:22 How about this from now until the draft, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, you
00:58:27 are going to get a mock draft on Monday morning every week.
00:58:33 Oh sure.
00:58:34 I might do for next Monday already.
00:58:35 Yes you are baby.
00:58:36 Oh boy.
00:58:37 We're going, I absolutely love it.
00:58:39 So we're going to go.
00:58:40 So now, so now until the end of the draft, now until draft day, we're going every, we're
00:58:45 going every, every Monday.
00:58:46 It's going to be great.
00:58:47 I'm going to love it.
00:58:48 Um, so Matt's going to go this Monday, the Monday after Easter, which would be the first,
00:58:53 I'll go the eighth, you go the 15th, I will the 22nd and the drafts of 25th.
00:58:57 So, um, so yeah, so it'd be great.
00:59:00 We'll get, we'll get some, we'll get some mocks in there, baby.
00:59:03 So I love it.
00:59:04 So, all right, so here we go.
00:59:06 So, uh, here's what I had and we, we mentioned this before.
00:59:11 All right.
00:59:12 I'm sold on Drake May.
00:59:14 I am.
00:59:15 I'm sold on Drake May.
00:59:16 The problem I have is this, you don't know what Washington's doing it to, you just don't
00:59:21 know what they're doing it to.
00:59:23 And so I looked at it and said, okay, well, what if Washington takes Drake May at two
00:59:29 and not Jaden Daniels?
00:59:30 I'm not sold on Jaden Daniels at three.
00:59:33 Now the conversation is the conversation, right?
00:59:36 You know, you need a quarterback.
00:59:37 You don't need a quarterback.
00:59:38 What you need the right quarterback.
00:59:40 I don't think Jaden Daniels is the right quarterback.
00:59:41 He certainly might be.
00:59:42 I might be wrong.
00:59:43 And if the Patriots draft him at three, I'll do my damndest to, to, to believe that he's
00:59:48 the right guy.
00:59:50 I don't believe that right now.
00:59:52 And so that's what I did.
00:59:53 Uh, as I imagined that now here's what I did.
00:59:55 I added a little flavor to it.
00:59:58 I sent three and one Oh three to Minnesota.
01:00:03 They sent me back 1123 and their first round pick next year and two late fifth round picks.
01:00:11 The reason I did that is because the two fifth round picks come out to a little bit less.
01:00:16 Um, you really should be three fifth round picks.
01:00:19 So I sent basically the equivalent of a late of a late fifth round pick to them to kind
01:00:27 of put it over, you know, to add a little bit extra value to get that first round pick
01:00:31 next year.
01:00:32 That's, that was kind of my thought there.
01:00:34 Um, and so that was, that was the idea.
01:00:36 So again, it ended up being three and one Oh three for 1123, one 57, one 67 in their
01:00:44 first round pick next year.
01:00:46 So that's, that's what it ended up being.
01:00:48 So at 11, I took Brian Thomas jr out of LSU, Brian Thomas jr, absolute stud wide receiver
01:00:56 in this mock, it was wide receiver and quarterback heavy.
01:01:00 And so the first three guys are gone obviously.
01:01:04 Right.
01:01:05 Brian Thomas, in my opinion is right there in that second, that second tier wide receivers.
01:01:11 He might be number one on that second tier wide receivers.
01:01:13 It might not be, but it goes to the combine and runs a four three, three at the combine.
01:01:19 You know, and his size at six, three to 10, it's pretty impressive, you know, and he reminds
01:01:26 me a little bit and it's a different type of receiver, but there's some T Higgins in
01:01:30 his profile and that he's the number two guy behind a guy who's, you know, super explosive
01:01:35 and the one that gets all the hype.
01:01:38 Who's also, you know, still a very, very good player.
01:01:42 So yeah, no, I like, uh, I like, I like him.
01:01:48 Yeah.
01:01:49 So that's what I did at 11 at 23.
01:01:52 I took a Marius Mims from Georgia.
01:01:55 He's an offensive tackle.
01:01:59 He played offensive tackle at Georgia.
01:02:00 Now he didn't play for very long.
01:02:01 He started like nine games in his career, but he's a little bit of an older guy too.
01:02:05 All right.
01:02:07 But the guy is an absolute freak.
01:02:11 He's a freak.
01:02:13 His arms are over 36 inches long.
01:02:15 His wingspan is 87 inches, 87 inches.
01:02:20 It's outrageous.
01:02:23 He's six, eight, three 40 ran a five dot.
01:02:26 Oh, seven 40 yard dash.
01:02:29 Broad jump over nine feet at six, eight, three 40 with a broad jump over nine feet.
01:02:34 That's outrageous.
01:02:36 And so, you know, that's one of those things for me that I think Chuck's might start the
01:02:41 year at left tackle and Mims may have to learn the position.
01:02:45 He might have to get refined a little bit more when you find an athletic freak at that
01:02:51 size, it's awfully hard to pass up a guy like that with those traits.
01:02:56 And so I figured late, late in the round from there.
01:03:02 So Mims is such a weird prospect here because do you know how many career snaps?
01:03:07 Yes.
01:03:08 Oh my God.
01:03:09 It's not.
01:03:10 It's not much because he only started like eight or nine games.
01:03:12 Eight hundred and three snaps.
01:03:13 That's when the PFF it's not great.
01:03:15 Like it's just he's a total it's a total projection.
01:03:18 Like his heaps very good.
01:03:19 He's a freak athlete.
01:03:20 Just hasn't played a lot of football.
01:03:22 Right.
01:03:23 So, you know, guys like that can turn into Trent Brown or they can turn into Trent Brown,
01:03:27 you know, whichever, whichever side of your getting that so much.
01:03:32 That's so good.
01:03:33 That's so good.
01:03:34 We got to keep using it.
01:03:36 That's so good.
01:03:37 All right.
01:03:38 In the second, I traded thirty four to Washington for thirty six hundred.
01:03:43 And so I moved back two spots in this mock Washington, I think, wanted to go up and get
01:03:48 a get like a top flight receiver.
01:03:51 They paid number one hundred.
01:03:53 Now, don't forget, we traded one oh three.
01:03:56 So now we have that middle.
01:03:57 We're not going from the third to the fifth.
01:04:00 We have that fourth round pick, which is nice.
01:04:02 I had thirty six.
01:04:03 If you have to bonus.
01:04:04 Oh, God, I don't listen.
01:04:09 I just I don't know.
01:04:11 I don't know.
01:04:12 I don't know.
01:04:13 All right.
01:04:14 I'm Jeff.
01:04:15 I'm doing a ton of mock drafts and I just feel like Bonick's feels like a Patriots type
01:04:19 of quarterback.
01:04:21 He has a stronger arm than than Mac Jones does.
01:04:25 He moves in the pocket significantly better than Mac Jones does.
01:04:30 If we were just if he had just gone to Oregon, if he had gone to Oregon and never played
01:04:35 anywhere else and just been in Oregon.
01:04:37 Right.
01:04:38 And that was it.
01:04:39 That's the only tape we saw.
01:04:40 He'd be a consensus top 10 pick.
01:04:43 The problem is, is that he played at Auburn, too, and he was friggin terrible at Auburn.
01:04:48 And so, yeah, you know.
01:04:51 And so then that's the tread on those tires.
01:04:52 And so that's the problem.
01:04:53 He's played a ton.
01:04:54 He's older guy.
01:04:56 So it's like, what are you getting?
01:04:57 Are you getting the Auburn bonnets or are you getting the Oregon bonnets?
01:05:01 And that's that that's where it becomes dangerous.
01:05:05 But if you're drafting a thirty six, I don't hate it.
01:05:07 I could see him being a scheme fit to it's a couple of things to like there when he's
01:05:12 mobile, you can roll him around.
01:05:13 He can throw on the move.
01:05:15 He is very consistently accurate with underneath throws.
01:05:18 And he's good at setting guys up for yards after they catch.
01:05:21 You mentioned his pocket presence, his pressure to saccharine is second in this of these guys
01:05:27 we're talking about in the draft only behind Michael Penix.
01:05:30 He is very, very good.
01:05:32 He's a big body back there, too.
01:05:33 So he's hard to bring down.
01:05:35 He's elusive.
01:05:36 He can make throws on the run.
01:05:38 It's just, you know, his physical tools are a whole lot of good, but not great.
01:05:42 And he's already older and he's like since Auburn, he hasn't really been asked to be
01:05:48 in an offense where he's reading down the field.
01:05:51 So this is a situation where you might be picking a guy whose ceiling is 20th best quarterback
01:05:57 in the NFL, like a Baker Mayfield, like but like, you know, the ups and downs of Baker
01:06:03 Mayfield, like not just the good stuff we've seen and whose floor, you know, I've seen
01:06:07 that floors with a quarterback.
01:06:08 There is no floor.
01:06:09 Any quarterback draft at any point in the league can be out of the league in three seasons.
01:06:13 That's correct.
01:06:14 But and I like his floor.
01:06:16 I think it's better than most because he's good under pressure and because he can consistently
01:06:21 make throws underneath.
01:06:22 I don't think he'll totally flame out, but you never know.
01:06:25 So I don't hate picking him.
01:06:26 I think he'd be a good fit in the offense.
01:06:28 I think getting an older guy in there is something they wouldn't hate either because it should
01:06:33 give you if he if it translates, he gives you an immediate step up.
01:06:36 He would immediately be better than Mac Jones was, I think.
01:06:39 But this might be the type of thing where you're going to draft him.
01:06:42 He's your starting quarterback for two, three years, and then you're looking for another
01:06:46 guy and it's not because he's bad, but it's because he's he's all right.
01:06:51 He's a backup.
01:06:52 Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
01:06:53 And so Matt Menendez, you know, says says that it strikes him as curious to think about
01:06:58 a Patriots type of player when Belichick's no longer here.
01:07:01 And you're not wrong, Matt.
01:07:03 I just I think he fits the scheme is what I'm what I'm trying to say.
01:07:08 AVP has not that AVP has a guy that he's looking for.
01:07:11 But I just think that, you know, I think that, you know, that's the only thing that I look
01:07:17 at.
01:07:18 So, yeah, we'll see.
01:07:20 And it's like being able to he checks all of like the basic boxes.
01:07:26 He might never do anything other than the basic stuff.
01:07:29 But getting a guy in there who can I think if he again, like I said, if it translates,
01:07:34 can immediately raise your floor and a guy who might be, you know, right away as good
01:07:37 as Jacoby Percet is to.
01:07:39 It means your quarterback room has two guys better in it than anybody you had last year.
01:07:44 And that's an improvement.
01:07:45 And yeah, it also I think if they don't like the quarterback group next year, this allows
01:07:51 you to kick the can down the road for two years while you figure it out and have, you
01:07:58 know, a playable offense while you figure it out.
01:08:01 Yeah, that's a good point.
01:08:03 All right.
01:08:04 Sixty eight.
01:08:05 I went Kyrie Jackson out of Oregon.
01:08:06 He's a he's a corner.
01:08:07 I don't know if a lot of people have heard of him.
01:08:09 Six four is a massive dude.
01:08:10 Six four one ninety eight.
01:08:12 I don't know if he's going to translate to the exact type of offense the Patriots want
01:08:16 to play.
01:08:17 I don't know how well he's going to be in a man press defense.
01:08:22 He's a bigger guy, but he's not the best at man.
01:08:25 He's all right.
01:08:26 He's got the best at man press.
01:08:27 I don't know if if he's ever going to actually do that well enough to play here.
01:08:34 But I like the idea.
01:08:35 I wanted a corner at sixty eight.
01:08:37 I had to take someone different than I had already taken before.
01:08:39 I like the idea of taking a guy with the the you know, the quote unquote traits and the
01:08:45 size.
01:08:46 And so that's why I want to carry Jackson again.
01:08:49 He may not be the guy that the Patriots are interested in, but I do like the idea of getting
01:08:54 a big, long guy that can you know, that has some has decent speed.
01:09:01 He's a really interesting prospect, too, because I think he's an older guy and I think he has
01:09:05 I think he's bounced around a ton.
01:09:07 I think he was at a juco at one point and he was somewhere else and transferred to Oregon.
01:09:12 And you know, like he's guys like that are super variable in their drafts.
01:09:15 I don't know where he's going to go, but you look at the length and right on a scheme where
01:09:19 he can be your it's not even a Brandon Brown or he's that kind of guy.
01:09:24 But if if Christian Gonzalez is going to be a guy who can consistently lock up number
01:09:29 ones and in theory, Jackson has the tools to be a number two can be super physical and
01:09:33 beat guys up on the other side.
01:09:35 Yeah, yeah.
01:09:36 Agreed.
01:09:37 All right.
01:09:38 Pick 100.
01:09:39 This is the reason I traded for pick one, by the way.
01:09:41 Michael Hall, Jr. out of Ohio State, by the way, 100 is a compensatory pick that Washington
01:09:46 has.
01:09:47 And so therefore it's technically a third round pick.
01:09:51 Michael Hall, Jr. out of Ohio State is an interior defensive lineman, but he's a pass
01:09:56 rusher from the interior of the defense.
01:10:00 Just got absolutely got after the quarterback last year and the year before, I believe.
01:10:06 So this is the year before, but he had 11 and a half percent pressure percentage was
01:10:11 aligned as a tackle.
01:10:13 That's a four four four I tech with a minimum of 100 rushes led the big tent.
01:10:19 So that's the type of thing where I'm like, whoa, like this dude, he can get after the
01:10:23 quarterback.
01:10:25 And so, you know, that's that's to me where it's like you have bar more and you have Keone
01:10:31 White and now you have another guy that can rush from inside.
01:10:37 That's scary.
01:10:38 And so that's why I like him here.
01:10:40 I think 60 was a little too early for him.
01:10:42 One hundred one hundred and three, I think, is that is the right spot for him.
01:10:45 So I'm a fan of Michael Hall, Jr. at that, you know, that late third, early fourth round.
01:10:51 Yeah, I think he'd be a stud there.
01:10:53 I love this pick.
01:10:54 Yeah.
01:10:55 So one thirty seven, I went Luke McCaffrey, who we already talked about on someone else's
01:10:59 mark.
01:11:00 But again, take it double, double wide receiver.
01:11:02 You need it.
01:11:03 You need it.
01:11:04 Their wide receiver room is is a disaster right now.
01:11:06 So you need it.
01:11:07 One fifty seven.
01:11:09 I took Jalen Simpson from Auburn.
01:11:12 Now Jalen Simpson is a guy that was a corner that's making the transition to safety.
01:11:17 He did not make the transition to safety already.
01:11:20 He was a corner at Auburn, but he's making the transition to safety right now.
01:11:26 They've liked what he's done in some of the bowls that they saw.
01:11:30 And so, you know, I think that they are.
01:11:33 That's not true.
01:11:34 I think he made the transition to safety last year.
01:11:38 I don't know.
01:11:39 I know he played corner in college.
01:11:42 I was right about that.
01:11:43 I was reading.
01:11:44 I was reading the tweet that I posted and I'm looking at it like, wait a second, because
01:11:49 he's saying in the safety class, he's making the transition to safety from corner.
01:11:52 But he understands that's his that's his path in.
01:11:55 And so I like the speed and athleticism he brings.
01:11:58 He's not the biggest guy, but he plays physical for his size.
01:12:02 And so I like the I like Jalen Simpson kind of in that in that fifth round spot.
01:12:07 Yeah, I like that.
01:12:08 You know, we need you need secondary guys right now.
01:12:10 Like I said, you need some depth there.
01:12:12 They still don't have a true replacement for Devin McCourty either.
01:12:15 Just getting more bodies in there is good.
01:12:17 Yeah.
01:12:18 So next guy, one 67 is another position changer.
01:12:23 This guy already made the position change, though.
01:12:26 Tyrone Tracy from Purdue transferred to Purdue as a wide receiver, played wide receiver for
01:12:32 a year and then went back for his fifth year.
01:12:35 And they were like, hey, we need to run him back.
01:12:37 You want to be running back?
01:12:38 And he's like, OK, sure.
01:12:40 Runs for 700 yards and eight touchdowns as a running back.
01:12:44 Obviously a good receiver out of the backfield.
01:12:45 Clearly used to be a wide receiver.
01:12:48 But you know, also the contact balance, the athleticism, the vision, the key runs like
01:12:53 a running back.
01:12:54 He looks like a real running back.
01:12:56 And so I like this guy quite a bit.
01:12:59 Again, later round pick.
01:13:01 But I like the idea of him playing, you know, that running back wide receiver role, kind
01:13:06 of like a Trey Time Montgomery type player.
01:13:11 Right.
01:13:12 And so that's kind of shown what's up.
01:13:15 They've shown interest in these guys, too.
01:13:17 Like you said, Time Montgomery, Antonio Gibson.
01:13:19 This is a prototype.
01:13:20 It seems like they have liked recently.
01:13:22 Go back to Cordero Patterson.
01:13:24 So I would not be shocked at all.
01:13:26 I think it would be interesting to have two of these guys on the roster at once.
01:13:30 But I don't hate it.
01:13:31 I'm not mad at it.
01:13:32 Yep.
01:13:33 That would be great.
01:13:34 All right.
01:13:35 And then round six, I got two picks left here.
01:13:36 Round six at 180.
01:13:38 I drafted Hunter Norzad from Penn State.
01:13:41 Now Hunter Norzad, the guy just he can't do anything, unfortunately.
01:13:46 He is very limited.
01:13:48 He never played right guard at Penn State, which is upsetting.
01:13:51 Never played right guard.
01:13:53 He did, however, play left tackle, right tackle, left guard and center at Penn State.
01:13:58 He played literally everywhere except right guard.
01:14:02 And so he's made the transition all over the field.
01:14:07 He's a center now.
01:14:09 He played well at center last year.
01:14:11 And I think that he's the guy for me that, you know, you want that Swiss Army knife type
01:14:18 guy to be your interior offensive lineman back up to a ton of different positions.
01:14:23 He's not going to play tackle in the NFL.
01:14:26 But for him, I think center or guard, that's an interesting situation for me.
01:14:33 So I like the idea of Hunter Norzad.
01:14:37 Again, late round, you know, he's in the sixth round, but I like the idea of him there.
01:14:42 Yeah, I like that.
01:14:43 And especially day three, just grab an interior offensive lineman.
01:14:47 That's good value to, you know, just keep taking those guys until you get some starters
01:14:52 or high quality backups out of it.
01:14:54 We all know they need the depth there right now.
01:14:56 Yeah, exactly.
01:14:57 All right.
01:14:58 And I lied.
01:14:59 I have two more picks now.
01:15:00 Jalen Green, who was in someone else's mock, James Madison.
01:15:04 He's a little bit undersized.
01:15:07 He missed the last four games of the season last year.
01:15:09 Even after missing the last four games of the season, he finished the season leading
01:15:15 FBS in tackles for loss and sacks last year.
01:15:21 So he was an absolute monster off of the edge.
01:15:24 He's a little bit undersized, but man, he is, he can move off the edge.
01:15:32 He's got some really good moves off the edge and he can really move.
01:15:36 And so he's kind of an explosive guy that I like coming off the edge.
01:15:40 Again, it's a late round flyer.
01:15:43 He went to James Madison.
01:15:45 He's a little bit of older guy cause he's a fifth year senior, but like whatever, take
01:15:49 a shot and see what you can get.
01:15:51 Even if you only get one or two years of, of actual pass rust production, or even, you
01:15:55 know, 20 snaps a year or whatever the case may be.
01:15:59 If, if some of those snaps can be productive, it's enough when you're talking about, you
01:16:03 know, pick 200 on the draft or whatever it is.
01:16:06 Exactly.
01:16:07 Yeah.
01:16:08 This is the time to take that risk.
01:16:09 Exactly.
01:16:10 And then the last pick is exactly the same thing.
01:16:11 A name doc raw from Howard six, eight, three 53 big enough for you.
01:16:17 Maybe the guy's an absolute monster, just absolutely huge.
01:16:23 I believe he ran, he like ran pretty well at the combine as well.
01:16:29 And so he's not the most fluid guy.
01:16:32 He's not super agile or anything like that, but he's just an absolute monster.
01:16:36 And so it's like, well, why not take a shot on a guy that big and just see what happens.
01:16:42 See if you can develop them in some sort of way.
01:16:43 And again, you're drafting in the two thirties here, like who cares?
01:16:47 You know?
01:16:48 So that's my that's my pick there in the seventh round.
01:16:51 There's just, there's not a lot of guys who are six foot eight and who can play tackle.
01:16:55 So that's correct.
01:16:56 Yes.
01:16:57 It's a, I don't hate, I don't hate the idea of just throwing a pick there.
01:16:59 I like your mock.
01:17:00 There's a lot of good stuff there and it raises the floor on the scene significantly for next
01:17:04 year if Mims gives you something.
01:17:07 Yes.
01:17:08 And that's the idea, you know, and again, right.
01:17:10 And so, you know, and my, my point, and this is what, you know, this is kind of the conversation
01:17:16 and the whole reason we're doing mock drafts because you have the conversation of players,
01:17:20 right.
01:17:21 And someone in the chat mentioned that they hadn't heard of Michael Hall before.
01:17:24 And they're like, Ooh, that's good.
01:17:25 That's an interesting name.
01:17:26 Right.
01:17:27 And so, you know, you go through and you see some of these guys, obviously the day one
01:17:30 day two guys is one thing, but once you get into that day three and especially then late
01:17:36 day three, you know, it's like, who the heck knows who these guys are?
01:17:40 And you're like, Oh my God, this dude, like, Holy crap.
01:17:42 You know, look at the size of him or look at his movement skills or whatever the case
01:17:44 may be.
01:17:45 And so, um, I think it's interesting to have, you know, to get a look at those guys.
01:17:50 And again, that's why I'm, I'm, I feel very strongly about the fact that I won't take
01:17:54 a guy twice in a mock because I just take, I just keep taking data, Tana Bortolini and
01:17:58 Ben Sinnett.
01:17:59 I would do it.
01:18:00 I would absolutely.
01:18:01 Yeah.
01:18:02 You know, and Senate might be the new, uh, Marcus Jones on this show.
01:18:05 Oh goodness.
01:18:06 If they draft, not at that level, but I know, but if they, I'm telling you, man, if they
01:18:11 draft Tana Bortolini or Ben Sinnett, I'll tell you, man, that'd be, that'd be pretty
01:18:17 unbelievable.
01:18:18 So, but, uh, anyways, so that's it.
01:18:21 That's my, uh, that's my seven round mark.
01:18:23 So you can go, you can find that on Pat's pole, but I, I always try to, you know, um,
01:18:28 throw some Twitter stuff on there from them.
01:18:30 And I also do a write up on, on each player and stuff.
01:18:33 So, um, and we're working on with Brian and burned.
01:18:36 We're working on some, uh, some player profiles.
01:18:39 My Xavier Liggett one is up.
01:18:41 That's right, baby.
01:18:42 I saw that.
01:18:43 Okay.
01:18:44 I like, I like that.
01:18:45 Yeah.
01:18:46 I compared his route running to Nikhil Harry at one point in the comments.
01:18:51 I'm not happy with that.
01:18:52 Well, I, can you blame them?
01:18:54 I like, I like to get, but you watch, I watching him round off some of his routes at the top
01:19:01 and the way his feet are looks a lot like what Nikhil Harry used to do.
01:19:05 So it's not ideal.
01:19:07 That's certainly not ideal.
01:19:09 Does not make me want Xavier Liggett.
01:19:11 The other thing is just cause one guy boss, sometimes the next guy figures it out.
01:19:15 Uh, that's a good point.
01:19:18 Um, yeah.
01:19:19 By the way, before we go, we have one other random Patriots note I'll mention.
01:19:22 You see the other announcement they made today?
01:19:25 It's very minor.
01:19:26 The, uh, the, the captain's patches.
01:19:29 Yeah.
01:19:30 There are any captain's patches to the jerseys this year, which it sounds like the players
01:19:33 are very excited about this.
01:19:35 Kendrick Bourne just put up on his Instagram or Twitter or something that I, a Photoshop
01:19:40 of him wearing a captain's patch saying he's coming for it.
01:19:43 Um, so yeah, no, I mean it's, if the players like it, I'm all for it.
01:19:48 I do think the captain's patches are very ugly.
01:19:50 I've never liked them.
01:19:51 They are definitely ugly.
01:19:53 Uh, there are definitely ugly, but you know, what are you going to do?
01:19:56 I'd rather do like a sticker on the helmet or something like, I don't know.
01:20:01 That I would like.
01:20:02 Yeah.
01:20:03 I feel like that's, that works better.
01:20:04 Cause especially like, you know, if it's, you saw the chiefs jerseys this year, cause
01:20:08 they got a memorial patch all the time and then, you know, you got Mahomes, this captain's
01:20:11 patch and then I think they have like an anniversary patch this year and then they have the super
01:20:15 bowl patch and look like the boy scouts out there.
01:20:18 Yeah.
01:20:19 It's too much.
01:20:20 It's too much.
01:20:21 I agree with you.
01:20:22 Uh, by the way, KB, it's funny.
01:20:23 You just said that.
01:20:24 I just, I just opened it literally just opened up Twitter and Mike Cadillac an hour ago,
01:20:27 tweeted out, uh, Kendrick Bourne wants to be a team captain.
01:20:31 He said, big goal, mine working for it.
01:20:32 So, and, and by the way, he should be a team captain.
01:20:35 Uh, he should be.
01:20:36 How many, how many do they have?
01:20:37 How many can you have?
01:20:39 Oh, unlimited.
01:20:40 No, I don't know.
01:20:41 I honestly don't know.
01:20:42 Six maybe.
01:20:43 I don't know.
01:20:44 I don't know.
01:20:45 I'm just, I'm just, you know, Hunter Henry's one Dietrich wise, David Andrews.
01:20:46 Um, there's somebody else who was one who I'm forgetting.
01:20:50 Uh, it's later.
01:20:53 No, well, you guys, you guys were on the team yet.
01:20:58 Bentley.
01:20:59 Oh guys were on the team now.
01:21:00 I see.
01:21:01 Yeah.
01:21:02 Yeah.
01:21:03 Matt says for returning.
01:21:04 That's yeah.
01:21:05 Henry Bentley wise.
01:21:06 Yeah.
01:21:07 So I wonder, I'm curious too.
01:21:10 Like, I think I could see born getting one.
01:21:12 Um, I think so that, that, that I think would make sense.
01:21:14 So yeah.
01:21:15 Another thing, there was another announcement today.
01:21:16 Somebody in the chat mentioned, which is that we are now the, uh, official in the Brazilian
01:21:21 market.
01:21:22 That's right.
01:21:24 Which what I will say, I, um, I think it has to do with the way the games get promoted.
01:21:31 So I think they're going to promote us more heavily there.
01:21:33 And, uh, but we might end up with a game in Brazil.
01:21:36 Like the Eagles are on Friday night opening in Brazil this year.
01:21:40 I don't hate it.
01:21:41 Interesting.
01:21:42 Do you know what concerns me about it is that if they opt into it next year, if the Patriots
01:21:47 lose a home game in back to back seasons where they were supposed to have nines that we had
01:21:53 international games that I wouldn't like, that's going to be frustrating.
01:21:57 Yup.
01:21:58 Yup.
01:21:59 I also, I also, I don't know if you saw the sheet for like what regions that every NFL
01:22:04 team has, but my favorite team on there, it's the Steelers.
01:22:10 I don't know if you saw this.
01:22:11 Do you know what region they have?
01:22:13 So they have, they're listed under Ireland.
01:22:15 Oh God.
01:22:17 Also listed under the UK with an asterisk.
01:22:21 And under that it says only Northern Ireland.
01:22:24 Northern Ireland?
01:22:25 So they have, so they have Northern Ireland and Ireland, but not the rest of the UK.
01:22:32 Are the Steelers pushing for like the reunification of Ireland over here?
01:22:35 Oh my Lord.
01:22:37 What are we talking about?
01:22:39 That's insanity.
01:22:40 Well, there you go.
01:22:41 Steelers trying to fix everyone's problems.
01:22:42 I like it.
01:22:43 Mike, Mike Tomlin coming out in support of Irish reunification was not something I had
01:22:51 in my three or four bingo card.
01:22:54 Oh boy.
01:22:56 Well, I also have, I have other news as well.
01:23:02 The Celtics were up 68 to 38, which is great.
01:23:08 The problem is they lost 120 to 118 and realistically they really lost one to, I mean, they, they
01:23:15 scored a bucket with the second left.
01:23:17 And so they, to the Hawks who stink.
01:23:21 The Celtics just, I mean, at this point it doesn't matter.
01:23:25 They've already clinched everything, but it's just like, I feel like they're frustrated.
01:23:29 We were like, what are we doing?
01:23:31 Like, come on.
01:23:32 Of course people are flipping out about it, you know, but still.
01:23:35 It's like what, three, four weeks away from the regular season being done.
01:23:38 April 14th is the last game.
01:23:40 Yeah.
01:23:41 These dudes have senioritis right now.
01:23:42 I don't really just get us to the end.
01:23:43 Yeah.
01:23:44 Yeah.
01:23:45 The Browns have Nigeria.
01:23:46 That's pointed out.
01:23:47 Yeah.
01:23:48 Anyways, it's just frustrating for the Bruins and the Celtics.
01:23:50 I feel like for both of these teams, I'm in just, let's get to the playoffs mode.
01:23:54 Now the Bruins are the same way.
01:23:55 The Bruins aren't a good team.
01:23:56 I mean, people forget the Bruins aren't a good team.
01:23:58 They weren't supposed to be good.
01:23:59 They weren't supposed to make the playoffs this year.
01:24:01 This was to be bad this year.
01:24:02 And they just got off to a crazy hot start, which is now going to ensure that they're
01:24:06 in the playoffs.
01:24:07 Right.
01:24:08 And so it's like, you know, they still aren't that good, but like, what the hell?
01:24:11 You know what I mean?
01:24:12 Like, so it just, you know, that's what the Bruins, let's get to the playoffs and see
01:24:16 what happens.
01:24:17 I don't think they're going to win anything, but we didn't think Florida was going to win
01:24:19 anything last year and they went to the cup.
01:24:22 So you know, the Bruins were a wagon last year and they lost in the first round.
01:24:26 So like, you know, you never know.
01:24:29 And that was a Panthers team that underperformed and got to the playoffs and turned it on.
01:24:34 You know, maybe the Bruins, you know, they overperformed to start the year, but they're
01:24:38 underperforming a little bit right now.
01:24:40 And you get to play off atmospheres and energy and a little bit of a breather after the regular
01:24:45 season for a minute and the right matchups, you never know what's going to happen.
01:24:49 So hopefully, and we'll probably, I forgot, we're probably going to have a Bruins playoff
01:24:54 game during the drafts like we did last year.
01:24:56 It's like, that's almost guaranteed to happen.
01:24:58 Yeah.
01:24:59 Yeah.
01:25:00 So that's a PLBF here at my Bruins Jersey while we're both on.
01:25:04 It'd be fine.
01:25:05 Yeah.
01:25:06 Or the Celtics will be on.
01:25:07 It'll be one of them.
01:25:08 I can only.
01:25:09 Yeah, I would think so.
01:25:10 Yeah, I would think so.
01:25:11 But you know, it's OK.
01:25:12 Yeah.
01:25:13 So.
01:25:14 All right.
01:25:15 Well, that does it.
01:25:16 That does it for us.
01:25:17 Thanks, everyone, for for coming out, listening.
01:25:18 We appreciate it.
01:25:19 The chat as always blowing up.
01:25:20 We appreciate you guys.
01:25:23 And we'll be back on Thursday night.
01:25:27 Talking more, more patriots, more patriots, more draft, more Drake, more Jaden Daniels,
01:25:33 more Caleb, more Caleb Witten.
01:25:34 Maybe they do something between now and then.
01:25:35 You never know.
01:25:36 Probably.
01:25:37 You never know.
01:25:38 They are at the audience meetings right now, so it is possible at least.
01:25:40 You can make a trade.
01:25:41 If that happens.
01:25:42 Yep.
01:25:43 Yep.
01:25:44 So anyways.
01:25:45 All right.
01:25:46 Thanks, guys.
01:25:47 We appreciate it.

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