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00:00 In the wake of CM Punk returning to WWE, it was reported that one of his issues with AEW

00:06 during the Brawl Out press conference was that he felt he was a bigger star than AEW

00:12 and apparently he's not alone.

00:15 And those people are just waiting out their AEW contracts to return to WWE because, reportedly,

00:22 they do not respect All Elite Wrestling.

00:33 On September 2nd, 2023, CM Punk was fired from All Elite Wrestling due to various backstage

00:39 issues but ultimately due to a backstage fight with Jack Perry at All In.

00:44 More on that later in this video because, as it turns out, Bryan Danielson led the hearing.

00:49 Just 84 days later on November 25th, 2023, CM Punk returned to WWE after a near decade

00:58 long absence.

00:59 I won't go into all the details about Punk's return and why it's so shocking - check

01:03 out Oli Davis' video on that in the video description down below - but suffice to say,

01:08 it was quite shocking.

01:09 The deal came about at the last minute.

01:10 It was Punk that reached out, not WWE.

01:13 Sean Ross Sapp said on a Fightful post show that the following Raw had to be rewritten

01:17 to find time for a CM Punk promo, and then PWInsider reported that the preceding Randy

01:22 Orton and Dominik Mysterio match went long so his promo was cut short.

01:26 But there was also a lot of talk about his backstage behaviour.

01:30 You know, because he was fired from his previous employer for his backstage behaviour.

01:35 Dave Meltzer noted on Wrestling Observer Radio, "There was no major negativity backstage

01:40 at the Raw following Survivor Series."

01:42 Wade Keller of PWTorch added that Punk "approached everyone and was very nice and humble and

01:48 in a good mood."

01:49 Although he says one source told him that Punk "knew he kinda had to be".

01:53 You know, because of his backstage behaviour in AEW that got him fired, and because, well,

01:58 he spent the last 10 years talking about how WWE is rubbish and nearly killed him.

02:03 WWE clearly wanted the CM Punk signing to feel huge - which they should and have - with

02:08 reports that his merchandise has almost already sold out on WWEShop.com, and Sports Illustrated

02:14 are reporting that plans are in place for Punk to feud with Roman Reigns.

02:19 However first Punk will feud with Seth Rollins, which Sports Illustrated added could serve

02:24 as the main event for the opening night of WrestleMania 40.

02:28 It's important to note that Sports Illustrated report isn't that Punk will then feud with

02:32 Roman Reigns following Seth, just that "at some point, Punk will have a match with Roman".

02:38 Just make sure you make him look strong there, Punk.

02:41 Punk's first promo on Raw received mixed reactions, ranging from "let it play out"

02:46 to "that was disingenuous BS".

02:48 But one thing it was not was a shot at his former employer AEW.

02:53 In fact social media tried to claim that following the promo Punk did a "victory lap" - which

02:57 is what The Young Bucks did after the Collision broadcast following Punk's firing.

03:01 But Nick Housman of House of Wrestling is reporting that this is not the case.

03:06 He adds Punk is looking to move past the AEW drama "entirely" and has no plans to address

03:12 any of what happened there.

03:14 Keller adds in his PWTorch report that while Punk was on his best behaviour for the first

03:19 episode of Raw, the feeling was, "well, we'll see if this sticks in a couple of

03:23 months time".

03:24 But according to Dave Meltzer, it will be different this time.

03:29 When talking about Punk going back to WWE, Meltzer reflected on the All Out media scrum

03:34 that led to the major downfall in relationships between CM Punk, AEW and a lot of the company's

03:39 top talent like Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Jon Moxley and Hangman Page.

03:44 Meltzer said at the time but reiterated upon Punk's WWE return, "My take on it was,

03:50 he does not respect AEW."

03:52 He added that Punk felt in AEW he was a bigger star than everyone.

03:57 And on the difference between AEW Punk and WWE Punk, he says he's going to have respect

04:02 for people who made it in WWE.

04:05 And apparently it's not just Punk, as a lot of ex-WWE guys are like that.

04:11 Personally I've never understood the "ex-WWE guy" argument.

04:15 When WCW closed its doors and WWF signed a bunch of WCW guys to WWF contracts, they were

04:21 still seen as "ex-WCW guys" and they were made to wear t-shirts with "WCW" written

04:27 on them.

04:28 Some WWF guys didn't want to lose to the "ex-WCW guys" because they weren't WWF

04:33 guys and they are WWF guys so they made it in the WWF.

04:38 But those WCW guys were then WWF guys.

04:42 They'd been signed to WWF contracts.

04:45 They're your guys now.

04:47 If you push the "ex-WWE" argument to silly conclusions, you would say that the current

04:52 World Heavyweight Champion of WWE is just an "ex-ROH guy".

04:57 War Games was full of them.

04:59 Cody?

05:00 Ex-AEW guy.

05:01 Sami?

05:02 Ex-ROH guy.

05:03 Although he's a different person to El Generico.

05:05 Finn Balor?

05:06 Ex-New Japan guy.

05:07 Damian Priest?

05:08 Ex-Ring of Honor guy.

05:10 JD McDonough?

05:11 Ex-Progress guy.

05:12 Drew McIntyre?

05:14 Ex-WCPW guy.

05:15 You see how silly that all sounds?

05:18 That's 60% of the match.

05:20 If Kurt Angle ever debuted in AEW, he'd be labelled as an "ex-WWE guy" despite

05:25 spending more years in TNA than he did in WWE.

05:29 But to get a more pro wrestler take on this, I asked ex-WWE guy Claudio Castagnoli what

05:34 he thought.

06:01 To

06:27 me it's like, "Oh, you're gonna go to the new team and that's who you are.

06:43 You're not just gonna be like, 'Oh, why is this ex-Barcelona player on my team?'"

06:46 It's just like, "No, that's what you do to get better.

06:50 That's where you go."

06:51 You can watch that full interview using the link in the video description down below where

06:54 myself and Claudio talk about All In, a Kings of Wrestling reunion, the Continental Classic

07:00 and his thoughts on CM Punk going to WWE and talent jumping back and forth between companies.

07:06 Back to that Meltzer quote.

07:07 He said on Wrestling Observer Radio, "A lot of ex-WWE guys are like that, and those

07:12 are the guys who've been very negative in AEW."

07:16 He adds that these ex-AEW guys are just waiting to go back to WWE.

07:22 And I don't think you need to be Columbo to figure out who some of those guys are.

07:27 Right, okay, so a little bit of housekeeping.

07:29 Should be noted that much of what I'm going to talk about is roughly speculation.

07:34 It's putting two and two together and likely getting four but could also be getting five.

07:39 But the speculation is based on reports from the last year or so, which I will reference

07:44 as we go.

07:45 All the links for those are in the video description.

07:47 So yeah, the first person who comes to mind is Andrade El Hidalgo following the reports

07:51 last year of a backstage fight with Sami Guevara which led to El Hidalgo getting suspended

07:56 from AEW.

07:57 The issues between Guevara and El Hidalgo had been made public in interviews by both

08:02 men but the fight was said to be "very one-sided" and "like an RKO from outta nowhere" and

08:08 Guevara did not fight back.

08:11 Dave Meltzer said of the fight that Andrade "is trying to get fired" even though he'd

08:16 been told by his contemporaries that getting into a real fight backstage would not terminate

08:21 his contract.

08:22 See CM Punk and The Elite.

08:24 Andrade had also been publicly unhappy about his booking in AEW, which really came to the

08:30 forefront when Triple H took over WWE Creative - you're going to notice a pattern here - and

08:36 was bizarrely booked in a match with Preston Vance where his AEW contract was on the line.

08:42 This match was cancelled when he was suspended.

08:44 Andrade would return to be part of CM Punk's Collision roster - you'll also notice a pattern

08:49 with that too.

08:51 When Triple H took over the creative side of WWE there was a report that came out that

08:54 claimed WWE attempted to do some of the old contract tampering - calling guys in AEW who

09:01 used to work with WWE just to see if they could get out of their contracts and come

09:07 to work in a brand new utopia where my NXT children will get to fulfil their creative

09:14 dreams.

09:15 Swep Strickland was one of those guys, with Triple H wanting him back for the Hit Row

09:18 reunion that… well, never really took off.

09:22 Fightful Select reported this news, and added that Strickland instead passed on WWE to his

09:27 legal team because he wanted to stay in AEW.

09:29 William Regal, on the other hand, got out of his AEW contract and went back to WWE.

09:34 Remember when CM Punk blew off William Regal when he came into AEW and called him a WWE

09:40 stooge?

09:41 Lol.

09:42 One of the other names in that reported list of contracted wrestlers was Malakai Black,

09:45 who then later publicly announced that he did ask for his release from All Elite Wrestling.

09:51 Meltzer added on Wrestling Observer Radio that Black obviously wanted to go back to

09:56 WWE.

09:57 Black instead stayed with AEW, and eventually was moved to be part of CM Punk's Collision

10:02 roster.

10:03 It hasn't gone unnoticed by fans that Malakai Black has not had a lot of singles matches

10:08 in AEW.

10:09 In fact, his last singles match in AEW was in June 2022.

10:17 Meltzer explained that many of these ex-WWE guys didn't want to do jobs, aka, they didn't

10:22 want to lose.

10:23 He said a lot of people that came from WWE are very leery about doing jobs, and then

10:28 it becomes very difficult to book when you don't really want to do programs where you're

10:33 going to lose.

10:34 Black doesn't quite agree with this narrative, explaining on Instagram in September 2023

10:38 that he doesn't know why he's not had singles matches and claims it has nothing

10:43 to do with his injuries.

10:44 But one person who has been painted with the "doesn't want to do jobs" brush is Miro.

10:51 In 2022, Miro had four matches.

10:56 Four.

10:57 Roman Reigns looked across and said, "Dude, do some wrestling!"

11:01 He eventually returned to be part of, you guessed it, CM Punk's Collision roster.

11:05 He had been off TV for almost a full year.

11:09 Dave Meltzer reported via Wrestling Observer Radio that several pitches were being made

11:14 to him, but he kept turning them down because he didn't want to lose.

11:18 In their coverage of Survivor Series 2023, Bryan Alvarez revealed that the reason Miro

11:23 isn't in the Continental Classic - which many fans thought he might be - was because

11:27 "they don't want to pin Miro".

11:30 Meltzer clarified, "They don't want to ask him to do jobs."

11:35 And people in the tournament have to.

11:37 Now, we've made a lot of connections here.

11:39 We've used a lot of the same phrases.

11:41 When Triple H took over creative, CM Punk's Collision roster, Dave Meltzer said on Wrestling

11:46 Observer Radio they want to go back to WWE.

11:48 But this time, we can actually get a return to WWE quote from someone else.

11:54 Because Miro's bloody wife said it was going to happen.

11:56 When the reports of Miro not wanting to lose and kept shooting down pitches for him to

12:00 return to television were doing the rounds, CJ Perry - who is also now in AEW - told a

12:05 local radio station in December 2022 that "I'm sure Rusev Day will make a return

12:10 in WWE at some point.

12:12 Let's be honest, we know that everyone always returns back to WWE at some point."

12:17 Isn't that right, Phil?

12:19 I don't think it's crazy to look at the names Malakai Black, Andrade and Miro and

12:25 not tie the red string together and say, "they probably don't want to be there".

12:29 They're all considered to be the "problem kids" that got put together with the "other

12:34 problem kid" in CM Punk for Collision.

12:36 Optics count for a lot.

12:38 Meltzer says that while Swerve Strickland and Keith Lee turned down the contract tampering

12:42 calls "a lot of guys wanted to leave.

12:45 The guys who signed there, if they're guys who really want to be in WWE but just got

12:50 fired and everything and can't wait to get hired back, I don't know that those guys

12:55 have been that beneficial."

12:57 And Meltzer is sort of right, but not all ex-WWE guys have this mindset.

13:04 We already saw earlier in this video the clip of Claudio Castagnoli telling me about his

13:08 thoughts on the ex-WWE guy mindset, and Meltzer noted when talking about ex-WWE guys not wanting

13:14 to do jobs and lose, that Bryan Danielson is an exception to that rule - who has gone

13:19 out of his way to put over AEW guys like Daniel Garcia and MJF.

13:24 He will likely also be taking a few losses in the Continental Classic.

13:28 And their Blackpool Combat Club running mate Jon Moxley doesn't have this mindset either,

13:33 and seemingly didn't want to say anything about CM Punk's return to WWE when asked

13:38 by ComicBook.com because, well, you don't want to hear his thoughts apparently.

13:43 He said, "You don't want to hear what I think."

13:46 I didn't see it.

13:48 You do not want to know what I think.

13:52 Fightful Select report that Bryan Danielson was actually part of the disciplinary committee

13:56 that ultimately decided to terminate Punk's AEW contract.

14:00 Sean Ross Sapp writes, "When asking sources on the AEW roster about his inclusion, one

14:05 called him 'an appropriate moral compass who exemplifies objectivity' and said that

14:11 he effectively 'headed up' and was the face of the disciplinary committee."

14:16 Fightful Select add that Danielson addressed the AEW locker room after Punk's firing

14:20 and cited the positives that CM Punk brought and his longstanding friendship with Punk

14:24 and said that it was a decision that had to be made.

14:28 Danielson himself tweeted on November 28th, just days after Punk's return to WWE, "My

14:33 dad always told me, 'The right thing is often the hardest thing to do.

14:37 It won't make the most money, it won't always be the most popular, but it's still

14:41 the right thing.'"

14:43 Sean Ross Sapp added on Twitter that he was told Danielson told the AEW locker room this

14:47 "almost verbatim".

14:50 So what have we learned today?

14:52 When AEW launched, it was seen as a place where guys can go and get pushed properly.

14:56 A lot of guys and girls saw that AEW was this hot new product and had a lot of excitement

15:01 about going over to this new company for some fresh match-ups.

15:04 And those who got fired by WWE found a new home where they could work and get paid.

15:10 Fans were excited for Miro, Malakai, Black and Andrade getting pushes in AEW because

15:15 they never got those same opportunities in WWE.

15:19 But that mindset has to go both ways.

15:22 If, like Meltzer claims of CM Punk, you think you're a bigger star than the promotion

15:27 you're working for and you only respect those that made it in WWE and really you're

15:32 just wanting to go back to WWE, it's going to create dissension, tensions and problems.

15:40 Some of these ex-WWE guys have had stop-start pushes, lack of TV time, minimal stories,

15:46 Black, Miro, Andrade.

15:48 But some other ex-WWE guys have become major players on AEW television.

15:53 Swerve, Moxley, Danielson, Adam Cole, Claudio Castagnoli.

15:58 And to go back to that ex-WWE guy argument, maybe it's less of an ex-AEW guy mindset

16:04 and more of a "I'm a bigger star" mindset.

16:08 And likely we won't see the same AEW dramas from CM Punk in WWE because he respects those

16:14 that work there and won't have the "I'm a bigger star" mentality.

16:19 Because as we've always been told time and time again, no one is bigger than WWE, and

16:26 everyone goes back.

16:28 Meltzer noted when talking about Miro not wanting to do jobs, "If I'm Tony Khan at

16:32 this point, given everything that's happened and the wife of one of the wrestlers goes

16:35 and says, 'Essentially everyone goes back to WWE,' it's kind of like, 'Why waste

16:40 my time pushing this guy?

16:42 I've got a hundred guys on the roster who want to be here, and now you've got these

16:46 guys who want to be in WWE.'"

16:49 So at the end of this video, ask yourself the question, what would you do in Tony Khan's

16:55 situation?

16:57 And while you're asking yourself that question, why not click the video on screen right now

17:00 to watch Oli Davis' deep dive into the history of CM Punk in WWE, and why he might

17:05 have sold out by going back.

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