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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.

00:03 From today, if we say that the process of politics and especially electioneering has increased

00:10 and we have started moving towards the election because it is time for nomination papers.

00:14 Nomination papers will be filed and candidates will be finalized.

00:18 And now it seems that justice is in great difficulty in the coming days of this election.

00:25 It will be difficult and it has been difficult for a long time.

00:28 Imran Khan's nomination has been postponed.

00:31 It seems that he may not be able to contest the election.

00:35 The issue of the baton is still hanging that how justice will get the baton.

00:42 Today, the chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, Barrister Gaur Khan said in Peshawar

00:48 that he doubts that he will not be given the baton.

00:51 So, if the Election Commission decides, what will be the impact of that?

00:56 I have mentioned earlier that there are many complaints that people of Tariq-e-Insaf

01:01 are facing difficulties in collecting or getting nomination papers.

01:07 We will talk about this too.

01:08 And we talk about free and fair elections.

01:11 Obviously, if the elections are transparent, I am sure that after five years we will be discussing this election.

01:17 Many people will be talking about it.

01:19 Today, there were big problems in the elections.

01:21 But why are the workers and candidates of Tariq-e-Insaf being arrested?

01:26 They are being arrested and not only that, but their nomination papers are also being arrested.

01:31 There is a whole list of people who are not being given nomination papers or someone takes their papers and runs away.

01:36 And this is Tariq-e-Insaf.

01:40 The campaign of Muslim League Noon, why hasn't that launched yet?

01:44 Why is the campaign of Muslim League Noon not launched yet?

01:48 It is being said that the Jalsas will start from Mansehra.

01:51 But the party has already held at least 20 Jalsas in its election campaign.

01:58 As I always say, Mr. Mian thinks that Jalsas are not needed.

02:02 The field is open.

02:04 He is running alone in this election.

02:06 He is not sure what to do with the campaign.

02:10 Mansoor Ali Khan is present. Thank you very much.

02:12 Mr. Arshad Bhatti is present. Thank you very much.

02:14 Mr. Taimur Jagra is present with us. Thank you to Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

02:18 Mr. Jagra, before coming to you, Mansoor, do you think that Imran Khan's Nail, Balleh ka Nishan,

02:24 if we link these two, the difficulty will increase in the coming days of Tariq-e-Insaf.

02:29 Thank you very much, Akash ji.

02:31 I came to you three months ago for the show.

02:34 At that time, you asked a question that whether Balleh ka Nishan will be on the ballot.

02:38 I told you that it will be a broken ball.

02:40 But I didn't know that…

02:41 It is broken, but here there is no Balleh.

02:43 Apart from Balleh, Balleh-Baz is not available.

02:45 Now, Balleh-Baz is also there, who will catch Balleh.

02:48 How will you remove it? This is the biggest question.

02:51 The second thing is the credibility of the elections.

02:54 There are questions on the credibility of the elections, on social media, on mainstream media.

02:59 But the question is, will they be on the streets?

03:02 Will people protest on this?

03:04 Because, I repeatedly…

03:06 Do you remember Khawaja Asif's statement that he used to say,

03:09 "We stand with the flag of revolution, but if you look behind, there are not 100 people."

03:14 He said it sitting here.

03:15 He said it sitting here.

03:16 He said it and gave a special example.

03:18 He said, "When you take your husband from the hospital or from home to jail,

03:21 you get parole on the health ground."

03:24 He said, "We called for people to come."

03:27 He said, "There are not 100 people, gather."

03:28 Now, the problem here is that Pakistan…

03:30 The news I got is that Pakistan has this feeling in Tariq-e-Insaf that,

03:34 "Okay, you did virtual events,

03:37 you got 15 tweets on social media, everything is done,

03:40 but people are not coming out."

03:42 And why are people not coming out?

03:43 Obviously, there is a reason for fear, there is a reason to avoid trouble.

03:46 But they are coming out in K.P.

03:48 They are coming out in K.P.

03:49 The four or five events that they did were big events.

03:50 But none of the leadership of Punjab is coming forward yet.

03:53 This is also a fact.

03:54 Which is left?

03:55 No, it is left.

03:56 It is not coming forward because if it is, then they will go in.

03:58 Shafqat Mahmood has taken his documents for nomination.

04:01 Waleed Iqbal is present there.

04:03 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's Punjab leadership is there.

04:06 Not that everyone is there, but they are there.

04:07 Yesterday, I received a message from Dr. Yasmin Rashid.

04:11 And she sent me a message that,

04:13 "I am fighting the elections of the National and the Subahi Assembly

04:15 with the support of Nawaz Sharif.

04:17 It is not that we have backed out.

04:19 Sanam Javed's father said that, "Yes, they are also fighting the elections."

04:22 So, there is activity.

04:23 With what support?

04:24 I have heard from the support of Maryam Nawaz.

04:26 But his father is keeping it a secret.

04:27 There are some problems.

04:28 Yes, there are some problems.

04:29 Problem, problem, you know.

04:31 Okay, let's move on.

04:32 Okay, let's move on.

04:33 So, this…

04:36 We have to make Haryana stand alone.

04:37 Maryam Nawaz will also run alone and win.

04:39 The entire Sharif family is standing from Lahore.

04:41 They are standing from Lahore and also from outside.

04:43 Not just one, they are also going from Lahore.

04:45 Karachi, Mansehra, they are also taking seats from here.

04:47 The point is that, the leadership is not coming out.

04:49 Where is Shafqat Mahmood?

04:50 Shafqat Mahmood has won two consecutive times from Lahore.

04:54 And he is a big winning candidate.

04:55 And even today, he is in a very strong position.

04:57 But why is he not coming out?

04:59 So, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has this feeling in himself

05:01 that they should have been proactive, but they are not.

05:04 The workers are present.

05:05 The workers are present.

05:06 The voters are present.

05:07 But maybe there is no one to mobilize.

05:09 And this can be very problematic for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

05:13 There is no one to mobilize Tariq-e-Insaf.

05:15 One argument…

05:17 I mean, on the other hand, he says that whenever we request

05:20 to hold a Jalsa in Punjab,

05:22 it takes 144 days, no one lets us hold a Jalsa.

05:25 No, it is a difficult time.

05:27 But he is right, Mansoor bhai is right.

05:29 But what are the people doing?

05:31 They are not doing anything.

05:33 They claim that Imran Khan is acceptable.

05:35 Yes, he is.

05:36 Tariq-e-Insaf's vote bank?

05:37 Yes, it is.

05:38 But the people who used to raise slogans

05:42 "We will bring freedom, your father will also give freedom."

05:45 Where are they?

05:46 In jail.

05:47 No, the Pakistan Party, the Pervez Khattak Bureau,

05:51 and some others have already been put aside.

05:54 The jailors are in jail, they are making sense.

05:56 But Khawaj Chaudhary had put them in jail.

05:57 No, no, there are many people.

05:59 Look at Asad Umar's tweet.

06:01 He started from here.

06:03 So, they have been put aside.

06:05 They were not put aside when they should have been.

06:08 Secondly, Tariq-e-Insaf.

06:10 Tariq-e-Insaf was first, the level playing field.

06:13 They found out that they don't have a playing field.

06:15 Then, the third was the election sign of the bat.

06:19 They said that the batsman is not there.

06:21 The bat fell and broke, but the batsman…

06:23 The third, the hopeless…

06:25 Let's be honest, if the batsman is open,

06:30 if the batsman is allowed to come, he will come.

06:32 No, no, it's not happening.

06:34 And the third is the hopelessness.

06:36 The hopelessness, for example,

06:37 Imran Khan's…

06:38 What didn't happen?

06:39 Rai Muhammad Ali, the lawyer who went in,

06:41 sat for 7 hours…

06:42 Can you imagine?

06:43 He sat and…

06:44 The lawyer is making videos that he has disappeared.

06:46 And the other one is saying that he doesn't have him.

06:48 He himself was telling at one time,

06:50 he said that the prisoners are also closed,

06:52 so what is the order for me?

06:54 And then after 7 hours, he came out.

06:56 So, this is the proof of Imran Khan's

06:58 documents being made public.

06:59 Yes, proof.

07:00 On one hand, this is the thing.

07:01 On the other hand, the interesting thing is that

07:03 the election commission, Mr. Bahadur,

07:04 kept the decision safe for 70 days.

07:06 This is the reason.

07:07 It is difficult to keep it safe.

07:08 You don't understand.

07:09 It has to be kept safe.

07:10 It has to be kept in a fridge somewhere,

07:12 in a good place.

07:13 If it is safe, then how will you keep it safe?

07:15 Okay.

07:16 You should be the chief election commissioner

07:18 in the future.

07:19 You should also be appointed.

07:21 Okay, the second thing is that

07:23 this decision was kept safe for 10 days.

07:25 This is the appeal of Imran Khan

07:27 in Tosha Khanna's army.

07:29 Okay, an interesting thing is that

07:31 in Islamabad High Court, 120 cases

07:33 or requests are being heard by

07:35 Chief Justice Amir Farooq.

07:37 And Imran Khan has already

07:39 submitted many times to the Tariq-e-Islam ul-Qaed.

07:41 In 7-8 days, Nawaz Sharif's

07:43 authority has ended.

07:45 The criminal nature has ended.

07:47 Apart from this, Al-Aziziyah,

07:49 the election field, the flagship, everything has ended.

07:51 Imran Khan's...

07:53 I had one, he said it is wrong.

07:55 Okay, the second thing is that

07:57 Imran Khan had one request.

07:59 That request was that

08:01 I have filed a case in Islamabad Lahore High Court.

08:03 I want to take back the first request.

08:05 That request has been kept safe for 84 days.

08:07 In 8 days,

08:09 the Chief Justice Nawaz Sharif

08:11 has gone from the laundry and

08:13 it was a surprising thing.

08:15 No, not at all.

08:17 I am amazed at your talent.

08:19 Okay, the last thing you said

08:21 about my beloved Qaed,

08:23 why is he not campaigning for the election?

08:25 I will come to that later.

08:27 First, let's see the video.

08:29 What is surprising about this?

08:31 You must have understood the meaning.

08:33 This is according to the immediate expectations.

08:35 I did not understand.

08:37 Yesterday,

08:39 Barrister Gaur Khan

08:41 and Chairman Tariq-e-Islam

08:43 were sitting on the same seat.

08:45 They said

08:47 what is happening with Mr. Mian?

08:49 What is happening with us?

08:51 I said, where is the marriage?

08:53 Oh, God!

08:55 The situation has changed.

08:57 Mr. Mian is now

08:59 a darling.

09:01 The way of darling is different.

09:03 You know how it works.

09:05 If Gaur was here,

09:07 Mr. Mian was here.

09:09 No, no, what are you saying?

09:11 Mr. Jagda,

09:13 tough times for Tariq-e-Islam?

09:15 There are problems,

09:23 but it has become a habit.

09:25 Frankly,

09:27 two people ask me

09:29 that there is a lot of laughter in between

09:31 because such situations

09:33 have never been seen.

09:35 There are tough times,

09:37 but take the example of Khaiber Pakhtunkhwa.

09:39 Our people are perhaps

09:41 a little emotional,

09:43 and wake up early.

09:45 We had to hear this for 6-7 months.

09:47 Why are you not coming out?

09:49 You are a coward.

09:51 But there was a plan.

09:53 Sometimes you have to go back a little.

09:55 You yourself

09:57 were present at the conventions.

09:59 And those conventions,

10:01 which are DMG and bureaucracy,

10:03 they tried to stop it so lovingly,

10:05 but everyone was bigger than the other.

10:07 I think the situation today is

10:09 that despite such an

10:11 unlevel playing field,

10:13 there was no playing field in Khaiber Pakhtunkhwa,

10:15 there is no level anywhere,

10:17 we have made the playing field ourselves.

10:19 And up to here,

10:21 you have made a playing field in KP.

10:23 Why couldn't you make it in Punjab?

10:25 What is wrong with the Punjab side of the leadership?

10:27 I have seen you

10:29 in one or two conventions.

10:31 I have seen you were also present.

10:33 Maybe it was the Peshawar convention,

10:35 if I am not mistaken.

10:37 Why couldn't you do it in Punjab?

10:39 You are not getting permission in Punjab.

10:41 You asked what is wrong.

10:43 What is the problem?

10:45 One is Mohsin Naqvi,

10:47 the other is your IG,

10:49 the third is the chief secretary,

10:51 I think.

10:53 You are seeing the scenes,

10:55 you know the answer yourself.

10:57 But the thing I heard

10:59 from Mansoor,

11:01 he is a great man.

11:03 I asked him today.

11:05 The thing is,

11:07 even in Punjab,

11:09 for the first time,

11:11 a party has come into

11:13 populist form,

11:15 maybe after 1970.

11:17 So don't worry,

11:19 our 4-5 people have filled

11:21 and collected the papers.

11:23 I don't know if I should have said this

11:25 or not.

11:27 Not that they start looking for

11:29 the papers,

11:31 to print at whose houses.

11:33 They have already printed

11:35 and will do more.

11:37 And they will get it in the end.

11:39 Yes, yes.

11:41 Let's finish it.

11:43 We are nearing the end.

11:45 We will know what happens in the end.

11:47 No, no, this won't happen.

11:49 Think about it,

11:51 I have a background in

11:53 finance and economics.

11:55 The market decides in the end.

11:57 Think about it.

11:59 On 13th January,

12:01 we will have a new independence.

12:03 Sir, you know that in the stock market,

12:05 insider trading is a big thing.

12:07 No, we are not insiders anymore.

12:09 Who will do insider trading with us?

12:11 We are only outsiders for you.

12:13 We are insiders.

12:15 We are big outsiders now.

12:17 But sometimes...

12:19 I am not saying you,

12:21 I am saying you are an insider.

12:23 I will come back to you.

12:25 He says, "Balle Baas Badein Ji".

12:27 Is it right that after the

12:29 independence, this populist party

12:31 will become the biggest populist party in Punjab?

12:33 Kashif, populist is fine,

12:35 but it has some prerequisites

12:37 that you have to complete.

12:39 This is happening for the first time.

12:41 There are no Jalsa, no corner meetings.

12:43 But you penetrate.

12:45 You say, "No, it doesn't matter,

12:47 we will do this Jalsa."

12:49 It has happened many times in the

12:51 BB's time and it has happened

12:53 many times before.

12:55 But you still defy it.

12:57 That's the point.

12:59 There is no one to mobilize.

13:01 Sorry to break the bad news,

13:03 but your problems are not over yet.

13:05 If you think that we are not getting it yet,

13:07 the 4-5 people you are telling

13:09 who are collecting from everywhere,

13:11 you will have to declare

13:13 who you are giving the sign of the baton to.

13:15 Once you declare it,

13:17 let's say,

13:19 you have said this much,

13:21 you are a PTI candidate.

13:23 You will have to declare the list,

13:25 and once you do that,

13:27 your problems will increase.

13:29 Your problems will not end yet.

13:31 They will increase.

13:33 My point is,

13:35 there is a funny side of the whole thing

13:37 that we are discussing in a very light-hearted way.

13:39 But there is a seriousness in all this.

13:41 And it is a very serious matter.

13:43 We cannot have a serious conversation.

13:45 We have to let it go.

13:47 I understand, these are very serious issues.

13:49 But you know,

13:51 there is a press release,

13:53 a press release of our CPNE and PBA,

13:55 in which it is very worrying

13:57 to keep the people away from the right information

13:59 by helping the media freedom.

14:01 Some worries are coming to us.

14:03 Point being,

14:05 I agree with you,

14:07 these are very serious issues.

14:09 But we are the only ones looking at it seriously.

14:11 The courts are not taking it seriously.

14:13 This is their biggest responsibility.

14:15 Then after 5, 10, 15 years,

14:17 someone will say,

14:19 "Please forgive me, we made a mistake."

14:21 It's not working.

14:23 My point is,

14:25 and obviously you are a senior anchor,

14:27 the end of 2023 is coming.

14:29 I always say that

14:31 after 3-4 years,

14:33 when we are evaluating

14:35 the present situation,

14:37 everyone's position will be remembered.

14:39 The TV is recording everything.

14:41 Everyone's positions are being recorded.

14:43 What is he saying? Is he justifying?

14:45 There are people present here

14:47 who compare it again and again.

14:49 This happened in 2018.

14:51 It happened in 2018.

14:53 First of all, it was less.

14:55 This time it's more.

14:57 There was a party,

14:59 they were campaigning,

15:01 they were taking tickets,

15:03 they were fighting elections,

15:05 they were sweeping Punjab.

15:07 The nomination papers were in their pockets.

15:09 The lawyers were not missing.

15:11 But it cannot be justified like this.

15:13 Because it was wrong then,

15:15 if it was happening then,

15:17 it will be said.

15:19 I can say this,

15:21 I interviewed the Prime Minister today.

15:23 And I told him all the things

15:25 I said.

15:27 I said, "Do you know that

15:29 if you are in Lahore,

15:31 you being the Prime Minister,

15:33 if you sit in a car without a protocol

15:35 with a PTI flag,

15:37 you will also be arrested in Lahore."

15:39 I told him.

15:41 He said, "No, no, it's not like that.

15:43 I think everyone has freedom."

15:45 I said, "You don't know,

15:47 you don't know."

15:49 Because this situation is in Lahore.

15:51 Sir, whatever is the case.

15:53 Actually, the flag is a very far thing.

15:55 I think if you come in a car,

15:57 you cannot cross the road

15:59 with a PTI flag.

16:01 You will be caught.

16:03 I think you will be caught.

16:05 So, these are very bad times.

16:07 On one hand, you are seeing that

16:09 if they put a flag, they will be arrested.

16:11 If they put music, they will be arrested.

16:13 But in these circumstances,

16:15 everyone is sitting inside.

16:17 You have to break the shackles of slavery.

16:19 You have to break the shackles.

16:21 Otherwise, you will be beaten up.

16:23 Or you can protest pro-prom.

16:25 You can go out.

16:27 You have a right. You can campaign.

16:29 But you have to be proactive.

16:31 This is not possible.

16:33 Get out of this mentality.

16:35 I have tweeted four times on social media.

16:37 I have done my work.

16:39 I have brought this trend to the top.

16:41 Otherwise, the game is gone.

16:43 And it is going to get worse.

16:45 You agree that the situation will get worse.

16:47 Yes, I agree.

16:49 I agree with what he said.

16:51 The social media trend is fine.

16:53 You are popular on social media.

16:55 You are very popular.

16:57 There is no comparison.

16:59 If there is a fair election

17:01 with 50% of people's party,

17:03 there is no comparison.

17:05 You will lose in Lahore.

17:07 We are finally putting a motion.

17:09 All the parties were on one side.

17:11 They won by a fair vote.

17:13 You are fine in Lahore.

17:15 But is there anyone

17:17 who is ready to take the fruit?

17:19 The tree is in his house.

17:21 Is there anyone who is ready to take the fruit?

17:23 No.

17:25 What will he do?

17:27 What does he want to do?

17:29 He can tweet and get the chief justice's notice.

17:31 Does the party look leaderless?

17:33 Definitely.

17:35 There is another coward

17:37 in the party, Gaur Khan.

17:39 It is a bad choice.

17:41 Who should have been with you?

17:43 I think Hamid Khan should have been the leader.

17:45 Hamid Khan refused to

17:47 take the fruit of his own mouth.

17:49 But he should have been the leader.

17:51 It would have been better

17:53 if Latif Khosla had come.

17:55 He should have joined.

17:57 He has been

17:59 waving the flag of Imran Khan's

18:01 childhood.

18:03 He should have joined.

18:05 It is not about joining.

18:07 It is about the right choice.

18:09 He could have given the fruit to Ali Muhammad Khan.

18:11 He could have given it to anyone.

18:13 He would have been in jail.

18:15 You don't want everyone to be in jail.

18:17 No.

18:19 I want everyone to be released.

18:21 Except you.

18:23 But the issue is that you don't go

18:25 and they don't come out.

18:27 Now,

18:29 Mansoor is right.

18:31 You should not

18:33 break the law of this country.

18:35 You should not do anything illegal.

18:37 But how can we

18:39 say that we are tired?

18:41 You are also tired of saying that

18:43 they have no support.

18:45 Now, in the race,

18:47 Mian Mohammad Nawaz Shiv is running.

18:49 Mian Mohammad Nawaz Shiv

18:51 has lost the competition

18:53 and become the Prime Minister.

18:55 The real problem will be

18:57 that he will win the second position.

18:59 He will win the third position.

19:01 The argument that is coming,

19:03 Mr. Jagda,

19:05 that there is defiance,

19:07 you need to come out

19:09 and show that the political party,

19:11 especially in Punjab,

19:13 you can see it in KP,

19:15 the conventions are happening.

19:17 Do you agree with them that Punjab

19:19 looks leaderless?

19:21 No, look,

19:23 I think when you are in the moment,

19:25 there is always more chaos.

19:27 I have told you

19:29 the example of the last 6-7 months.

19:31 Frankly, Kashif,

19:33 if we all would have been sitting

19:35 in a private gathering in June,

19:37 no one would have understood

19:39 that in December,

19:41 PTI will be popular.

19:43 At least, this much we should accept.

19:45 Which year are you talking about?

19:47 22nd or 23rd?

19:49 This year.

19:51 No, I am talking about this year.

19:53 When this crash PTI operation started,

19:55 I think everyone thought

19:57 that in a month, in two or three,

19:59 the party will be over.

20:01 In December,

20:03 it is more popular.

20:05 When all your leadership is underground,

20:07 there are mistakes, chaos,

20:09 of course, it happens.

20:11 But as the Paktunkhwa is happening,

20:13 my prediction is that

20:15 whether the situation will be difficult

20:17 or not in January, I don't know.

20:19 But you will see in January,

20:21 people will come out in Punjab.

20:23 Today,

20:25 people have been stopped

20:27 in many places.

20:29 People have come out

20:31 and have forcibly collected

20:33 their forms.

20:35 It should not have been forced.

20:37 It is a democratic right.

20:39 You can also do this favor

20:41 by doing one thing.

20:43 A bit more.

20:45 You call a spade a spade.

20:47 Right?

20:49 We should define who is doing wrong.

20:51 And as Mansoor said,

20:53 we should not always go back to the past.

20:55 Whatever was in the past,

20:57 whoever was wronged,

20:59 first of all,

21:01 he should raise his voice.

21:03 Mansoor has said another thing,

21:05 which I think everyone is talking about.

21:07 Yesterday, when I was sitting

21:09 with Gauhar Khan,

21:11 if you compare it to 2018,

21:13 the situation in 2018 was not as bad

21:15 as you see today.

21:17 These are a lot worse

21:19 than what we saw in 2018.

21:21 And the reason for that

21:23 is that I think

21:25 the sooner people

21:27 get rid of PTI,

21:29 the situation will improve.

21:31 If people's support is not getting rid of PTI,

21:33 then the situation will not improve.

21:35 Have you collected the documents?

21:37 Now you are finding problems for me.

21:41 God willing, I will do it tomorrow.

21:43 I have heard that

21:45 DC Peshawar has been asked

21:47 to give a list of three MPOs.

21:49 I can tell you that

21:51 I have not been bailed once,

21:53 but twice.

21:55 Because there are two cases,

21:57 I was bailed once,

21:59 and I don't know how many cases

22:01 they have kept in their pockets.

22:03 So I went to the court again,

22:05 and they said that until they get the cases,

22:07 they should not be touched.

22:09 But despite that,

22:11 if a person cannot go home

22:13 because you don't know

22:15 when the police will come to have tea,

22:17 then God willing,

22:19 we will collect the documents tomorrow.

22:21 Is there any important leader

22:23 who you have tried not to collect

22:25 the documents?

22:27 There were two incidents

22:29 in KP.

22:31 Our MP,

22:33 Pukhtun Yarkhan Banuke,

22:35 who is the opponent

22:37 of Akram Durrani.

22:39 Pukhtun Yarkhan was released from the court

22:41 and was arrested by DC

22:43 in three MPOs.

22:45 I have only one name from KP.

22:47 Yes.

22:49 Yesterday,

22:51 I did not have any papers

22:53 in my case.

22:55 I had papers in one case,

22:57 but not in the other.

22:59 Obviously, there is no situation

23:01 in Punjab in KP.

23:03 I think there is an impact

23:05 that people have left KP.

23:07 I think people will leave in Punjab,

23:09 but the most important thing

23:11 that all of you did is that

23:13 whatever the result,

23:15 when we see this time period,

23:17 no one will remember it

23:19 happily.

23:21 Pakistan is suffering.

23:23 It is very unfortunate that

23:25 after 4-5 years,

23:27 we are trying to talk

23:29 that there should be a level playing field.

23:31 At least there is an atmosphere

23:33 of elections.

23:35 Political parties campaign,

23:37 they do their hopeful field.

23:39 It should be like that.

23:41 Obviously,

23:43 we are seeing the problems.

23:45 We are seeing the problems.

23:47 What kind of problems are there?

23:49 From nomination to ballot,

23:51 we do not know.

23:53 Tomorrow is the last day of nomination.

23:55 No one knows.

23:57 Goon League has requested

23:59 to increase it by two days.

24:01 It has not been finalized yet.

24:03 No one knows whether Tariq Khan

24:05 is going to the ballot.

24:07 It is a very important thing

24:09 that we should not delay.

24:11 You have time.

24:13 You take a break.

24:15 I am saying that

24:17 we should not delay.

24:19 What was the need

24:21 to request Noon League?

24:23 Noon League has to decide

24:25 when it should be.

24:27 You mean to say

24:29 that we should order.

24:31 I want to fight with Mr. Jagda

24:33 but there is no time.

24:35 I want to say that

24:37 you should see

24:39 how many right decisions

24:41 you have taken.

24:43 You should see

24:45 how many wrong decisions

24:47 you have taken.

24:49 You should have done this.

24:51 You should have won.

24:53 You should have sat at home

24:55 and broken both the assemblies.

24:57 You should have left the National Assembly.

24:59 When the revolution is on the way,

25:01 you should have won.

25:03 The decision to break the assemblies

25:05 is a political move.

25:07 It is wrong.

25:09 I am saying that it is wrong.

25:11 It is not wrong.

25:13 If it was according to the constitution,

25:15 it would have been a right decision.

25:17 You have seen the constitution in KP.

25:19 You have seen how everyone is

25:21 protecting the elections.

25:23 It should be in the constitution.

25:25 It is in KP and Punjab.

25:27 You are saying that the decision is wrong.

25:29 I will take a break.

25:31 Welcome back.

25:33 We are talking about the

25:35 difficulties of justice.

25:37 We are hearing that

25:39 the candidates are facing

25:41 difficulties in

25:43 getting their nomination papers.

25:45 On the other hand,

25:47 we don't know about the ballot.

25:49 We don't know if we will get the ballot.

25:51 The election commission will decide

25:53 on that day or the other.

25:55 On the other hand,

25:57 the Muslim League has such

25:59 an open field.

26:01 If they want,

26:03 they can run all over Pakistan

26:05 and no one will run with them.

26:07 They are sitting quietly.

26:09 Why?

26:11 I was talking about this

26:13 before the break.

26:15 We can all make fun of Pakistan's

26:17 Tariq Khan.

26:19 He was called the boot polisher.

26:21 But Pakistan's Tariq Khan

26:23 must not be missing Shabaz Sharif.

26:25 He is a person who actually…

26:27 Are you calling Shabaz Sharif a boot polisher?

26:29 I am saying that he was called Khan.

26:31 He always kept a channel of communication

26:33 open.

26:35 He used to say that he will

26:37 talk to anyone.

26:39 Frankly speaking,

26:41 he can say anything about politics.

26:43 But to bring him in this position

26:45 where his communication has opened

26:47 and he has brought him with love,

26:49 Shabaz Sharif made that possible.

26:51 Pakistan's Tariq Khan must agree

26:53 that from 9th May till now,

26:55 no channel of communication worked.

26:57 You put Mr. Falvi on this duty.

26:59 You tried to get more people.

27:01 No one could find any space for you.

27:03 And today, you are in this situation

27:05 that your nomination papers are not reaching

27:07 where they should reach.

27:09 They need to check this too.

27:11 Mr. Jagda has left.

27:13 I wish I could tell him that this is

27:15 a big failure of yours.

27:17 Mr. Bhatti, this is a big failure

27:19 of Pakistan's Tariq Khan.

27:21 Secondly, there are still elements

27:23 in your party that are sitting

27:25 in the party and are not giving

27:27 the opportunity to talk to the local

27:29 leaders of the country.

27:31 They are continuously being targeted.

27:33 Your leaders are in touch with those

27:35 who are doing vlogs against Pakistan

27:37 and against the Pakistan army.

27:39 But your people are going to them

27:41 and contacting them again and again.

27:43 So this is your mistake.

27:45 You are not disowning them.

27:47 There is a very big example of

27:49 Pervez Rashid in the past.

27:51 He was left behind by Don Leaks.

27:53 But for that moment, he sacrificed.

27:55 It doesn't matter. We will sacrifice you.

27:57 So this is a reality of Pakistan.

27:59 You have to do it.

28:01 So now today you are missing

28:03 a Shabaz Sharif.

28:05 I wish he was there.

28:07 He would have opened a

28:09 communication channel with you.

28:11 Shabaz Sharif?

28:13 Not only Shabaz Sharif.

28:15 They should have had a Maryam Nawaz

28:17 which they don't have.

28:19 Neither Bushra nor Aleema Khan

28:21 could have been there.

28:23 What do you mean?

28:25 If there is a dispute, there will be a dispute.

28:27 There are two sides.

28:29 Good cop and bad cop.

28:31 We have heard what Bhatti has to say.

28:33 You should listen.

28:35 No, I won't listen.

28:37 Bhatti is praising Maryam Nawaz.

28:39 You should catch the movement.

28:41 No, I don't want to.

28:43 Why are you different?

28:45 Start with Maryam Nawaz's red line.

28:47 So Shabaz Sharif,

28:49 undoubtedly,

28:51 what did Khawaja Asim

28:53 say in Muslim League?

28:55 In 2019,

28:57 the establishment had

28:59 made a deal to take Punjab first

29:01 and then take the center.

29:03 It was a strong deal.

29:05 The cabinet was decided before the election.

29:07 No, forget that.

29:09 Shabaz Sharif had become the Prime Minister

29:11 and the cabinet was final.

29:13 He had brought two clear messages

29:15 in the secret till today.

29:17 He had brought two clear messages

29:19 in the secret till today.

29:21 The first one was

29:23 that Gulab Jamun is being eaten,

29:25 someone is calling at night,

29:27 someone is talking about Malik Ahmed,

29:29 someone is linking from here,

29:31 someone is linking from there,

29:33 someone is linking from the middle,

29:35 someone is linking from the left,

29:37 then the extension on the Quran.

29:39 The second one was

29:41 respect the vote.

29:43 This is the son of the earth,

29:45 the son of the earth, Nawaz Shahid.

29:47 He is a world-renowned person.

29:49 Politics is a common thing.

29:51 Why would he go to speak?

29:53 He is a world-renowned person.

29:55 He is a world-renowned person.

29:57 He is a world-renowned person.

29:59 Tell me, can we have a serious conversation?

30:01 He has been attached to me

30:03 for so many years.

30:05 Mansoor Bhai told you

30:07 that he is writing history.

30:09 Let me also get serious

30:11 once in this.

30:13 What did we talk about during the break?

30:15 Let him do it.

30:17 Okay, then.

30:19 You play.

30:21 You play.

30:23 You veterans of the upper 40s,

30:25 go and listen to the people who are unmarried.

30:27 Okay.

30:29 Now, there is no need to worry about this.

30:31 First thing, my dear viewers,

30:33 risk-free return.

30:35 Think about how

30:37 the return was guaranteed.

30:39 Then, the readiness was over,

30:41 the case was closed in 7-8 days.

30:43 Now, there is an advertisement

30:45 that there is a person

30:47 who is a fan of Naili.

30:49 There is a poet.

30:51 How fine is the poet?

30:53 There is a poet.

30:55 I am not one of them.

30:57 I thought I am not Nail.

30:59 Then I thought,

31:01 my beloved Kaider and Jangeet Reen.

31:03 Jangeet Reen also got into trouble.

31:05 He went ahead in the back.

31:07 Then,

31:09 MQM came.

31:11 Then, BAP came.

31:13 Then, Electabuzz came.

31:15 Sir, these advertisements are being published.

31:17 Don't they know that after 2-3 years,

31:19 the situation can change?

31:21 Or, after 10 years,

31:23 there will be an objective discussion?

31:25 How do these advertisements get published?

31:27 Sir, now see.

31:29 Don't they know that this is politics?

31:31 It's a political position.

31:33 I am not saying which advertisements

31:35 we are talking about.

31:37 But, when the democracy was derailed,

31:39 the courage to insult the Supreme Court,

31:41 to go against the Supreme Court,

31:43 these were the three things that were happening.

31:45 When the Supreme Court was being made a spectacle,

31:47 the democracy was derailed,

31:49 the constitution was being broken,

31:51 and a joke was being made in the Parliament.

31:53 An incomplete and fake Parliament.

31:55 When it was being made,

31:57 it was being said, "Chief Justice, come forward."

31:59 I have heard it before.

32:01 When the Halaqu Khan attacked Baghdad,

32:03 there was a debate going on inside

32:05 about whether it should be a one-man show

32:07 or a three-man show.

32:09 Is this a martial law or not?

32:11 So, that day I was very surprised

32:13 that in 75 years,

32:15 poor Umair Niazi got trapped

32:17 and the rest of the Shahbaz were released.

32:19 The Supreme Court has said,

32:21 the Election Commission has said

32:23 twice that the governors have done it,

32:25 and President Alawi has done it.

32:27 It has been said, but they have not noticed it.

32:29 This is what I said before,

32:31 that the Supreme Court has said

32:33 that the protection of the constitution

32:35 and the law is ultimately the Supreme Court.

32:37 But it is seen that it could have been

32:39 done in a better way.

32:41 Then, after 5-10 years,

32:43 this debate will continue.

32:45 At that time, the judge did it,

32:47 and at that time, the judge did not do it.

32:49 Sir, the protection of the constitution

32:51 and the law is ultimately the court,

32:53 but these are elite courts.

32:55 There is nothing for us.

32:57 The days off are open,

32:59 the nights are open,

33:01 and the guarantees are open.

33:03 The most sad thing for me,

33:05 and then you will become serious,

33:07 but what was the sad thing,

33:09 that in 4 years, Shahbaz Shiv was a guarantor.

33:11 In one court, they would have called him

33:13 and said, "Brother, you would have guaranteed."

33:15 And then when Nawaz Shiv came back,

33:17 the same Islamabad High Court

33:19 who was saying that he had

33:21 verified the constitution,

33:23 he was lying,

33:25 he was saying one remark.

33:27 It is like this,

33:29 I am saying this for the elite,

33:31 not for people like us.

33:33 You are not elite?

33:35 No.

33:37 For God's sake.

33:39 I understand, I understand.

33:41 I hope you do not include me in the public.

33:43 You are elite.

33:45 Who will include you in the public?

33:47 For God's sake.

33:49 Tell me, this Muslim League,

33:51 is the ball cold and gone?

33:53 We are Punjab, sit.

33:55 What do you want to do?

33:57 I want to say that the other teams in the ground,

33:59 like the Istiqam-e-Pakistan Party,

34:01 which one?

34:03 Istiqam-e-Pakistan Party, IPP.

34:05 That one?

34:07 Yes, that one.

34:09 From the day it was formed,

34:11 Lahore has had a B team.

34:13 This is a buffer zone for Pakistan's

34:15 Panjshiris who cannot come directly

34:17 to the Noon League.

34:19 Or the second thing is that

34:21 they will hit the PTI vote bank

34:23 where they are present.

34:25 They are present,

34:27 so they are with us.

34:29 They are running alone.

34:31 Yes, they are running alone.

34:33 The match is fixed.

34:35 They know what will happen on the 6th ball,

34:37 on the 4th ball of the 3rd over,

34:39 when the umpire will give an out,

34:41 when to give a no ball.

34:43 They know all this.

34:45 Brother, you talk about the Jalsas.

34:47 What is the need of Jalsas?

34:49 We have talked about the big games.

34:51 And the other people's sorrow.

34:53 We have talked about it.

34:55 We have talked about it.

34:57 From Mashhad to Khyber to Karachi.

34:59 There is a cold breeze there.

35:01 One interview.

35:03 Two.

35:05 Two.

35:07 Two.

35:09 It was very difficult.

35:11 Tell me, who is the CM of Punjab?

35:13 This is a simple question.

35:15 Captain Sabdar has said this.

35:17 But I have got a news from

35:19 the Noon League camp that

35:21 Shabash Shreef's kitchen

35:23 camp people,

35:25 they were given instructions

35:27 specifically that you have to

35:29 apply for the tickets of the

35:31 Subahi Assembly, not the Kaumi Assembly.

35:33 This means that Shabash Shreef

35:35 intends to stay in the Punjab Assembly.

35:37 This is the matter.

35:39 I had a talk with Attaullah Tarar

35:41 two weeks ago.

35:43 I had asked him that Shabash Shreef

35:45 will be the CM.

35:47 He had said that this is a demotion.

35:49 He is the PM.

35:51 How can he be the CM?

35:53 It was the reason for your fame.

35:55 He had said that this will not happen.

35:57 First, Dar said that he will be the

35:59 senior minister of the cabinet.

36:01 Then Rana Sinaula said that

36:03 he will be the

36:05 minister of Punjab.

36:07 So, it has not been decided yet.

36:09 Sir, it has to be decided at that time.

36:11 When Mr. Bhatti is worried

36:13 or has to wear a match,

36:15 you say that before the match,

36:17 he should wear a match.

36:19 He has been interviewed by Khawateen.

36:21 When the list of Khawateen is finalized,

36:23 you will get an indication

36:25 of the group that will come.

36:27 He should do what Sardar

36:29 had made of three swimming pools.

36:31 He should appoint a minister.

36:33 He should do less work.

36:35 He should do speeches,

36:37 deals,

36:39 and keep a cool minister.

36:41 He should appoint three ministers.

36:43 He should not do a half-hearted job.

36:45 He should appoint

36:47 a minister who is

36:49 an additional charge for Punjab.

36:51 He should appoint a minister

36:53 who oversees Punjab.

36:55 You know that there are

36:57 many private ministers.

36:59 The call to the minister's house

37:01 is after 2002.

37:03 When he was not the minister,

37:05 you are saying that

37:07 there are two ministers.

37:09 Yes, there are two ministers.

37:11 The second thing is that

37:13 my beloved Qaid

37:15 gets ready at 12-1 am

37:17 and goes to the Modal Town.

37:19 People come and then he goes home.

37:21 My beloved Qaid

37:23 has to carry his bag

37:25 and go to every city.

37:27 I will take a break.

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Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 21st December 2023

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