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00:00:00I'll tell you, when he arrived at the pitch with his motocross bike,
00:00:03with KTM, all green, he entered at full speed, wheelieing.
00:00:08When Zoff saw him, he was like, oh my God!
00:00:12And then, the time we had to leave to go to the hotel, the retreat,
00:00:18and he was late, he was practically all naked, barefoot,
00:00:24with his clothes under his arm, he got to the bus, all naked.
00:00:30Macchi, Macchi, Diego Fuseri, Diego Fuseri...
00:00:35I was getting goosebumps.
00:00:36They said, look Diego, you're doing well here in Florence,
00:00:40you're scoring goals, there's an Arab company that wants to buy you.
00:00:43So, they organized everything at his friend's house,
00:00:47and a guy, dressed like a fool, came along,
00:00:50with the interpreter of Conn, a girl,
00:00:53who spent the whole evening treating him.
00:00:56No, yes, then the private plane, they give you 5 billion a year,
00:01:01you know, all these things.
00:01:03And then, in the end, I said, I'm kidding, I'm immortal.
00:01:16Welcome back to Locker Room with another great guest,
00:01:19because he came to see us, Diego Fuseri.
00:01:21Hello everyone, hello guys.
00:01:24So, every time, then I watch the podcasts,
00:01:26and there's always a little piece missing, what is it?
00:01:30At the beginning, we also have a young audience, obviously,
00:01:33and who played a few years ago,
00:01:35says, ah, but who is it, how did he play?
00:01:36How can we explain Diego Fuseri?
00:01:38He was an incredible wing, then he played as a midfielder,
00:01:41he played in the strongest teams in Italy in the 90s,
00:01:45he did them all, then we'll go over them.
00:01:47He won a lot.
00:01:48He won a lot, he played in Milan, clearly.
00:01:51How would you describe yourself? What player were you?
00:01:53Apart from the fact that you're still in great shape,
00:01:55I don't want to keep it a secret.
00:01:58Well, I don't know, then, look, football has changed so much
00:02:02that, really, remembering how you were back then is a bit difficult.
00:02:09But, nothing, I was a winger, I was born as a right winger.
00:02:14Sometimes, you know, you looked for wingers
00:02:16because you always tried to cross well, to do a lot of assists.
00:02:21So, I was a winger who was unbeatable, I had that quality.
00:02:28Now, me and Fra are two very concrete people,
00:02:31so we hate theory, etc.
00:02:32But, if we had to put you in a module,
00:02:34ideally, the dear old 4-4-2?
00:02:37Well, no, look, but I also did 3-5-2, 5-3-2,
00:02:41so, in fact, I have to say that, maybe, as a winger in retreat,
00:02:48maybe, it was the years that I did better, personally,
00:02:53so, today, I could also play a 3-5-2.
00:02:57So, a great talent who comes to Milan, very young,
00:03:02paid, I would say, a lot for the time, 7 billion,
00:03:05you were worth it, clearly, but it was a nice...
00:03:08But, let's take a step back,
00:03:09you were a talent in the youth sector of Turin.
00:03:11How did you start playing football?
00:03:14From which family do you come from?
00:03:15And how did you enter the world, and then we get to Milan?
00:03:19Well, I, yes, I come from a very normal family,
00:03:24my parents worked, they had a hairdresser's shop,
00:03:29so, a very normal family, I played in the winery,
00:03:34then I was bought from Turin,
00:03:36and then, from there, I started doing the whole line-up
00:03:39until I got to Serie A, so, the whole youth sector,
00:03:42everything, in short, I trained in Philadelphia,
00:03:46which was a historic pitch for the fans of Turin,
00:03:49for the whole history of Turin,
00:03:51so, let's say, that's where they formed my character,
00:03:55and then, from there, I started in Serie A, and...
00:03:59We're running too fast, though, Diego.
00:04:01Exactly, by the way, you anticipated a topic for me,
00:04:03I mean, I'm asking you, because, you know,
00:04:04now, you're still very strong,
00:04:06but many years have already passed.
00:04:08About thirty years ago, playing for Philadelphia,
00:04:11you were born in Veneria Reale,
00:04:12so, you know the soul of Turin very well.
00:04:16How much was the legacy of the great Turin carried on?
00:04:19Or, if you had relatives who had seen it directly,
00:04:21who told you about it,
00:04:24how much growth in Torino was told to you,
00:04:27you saw it in Philadelphia,
00:04:28you felt this passion for Granada.
00:04:32Yes, as you say,
00:04:34let's say that the history of Turin was a bit handed down,
00:04:37so, it's not such a glorious story,
00:04:40but it was an incredible team.
00:04:43It's normal that, for a youngster,
00:04:45training at Philadelphia was something exciting,
00:04:50and so, it certainly conveyed something
00:04:55that other clubs couldn't convey to you,
00:04:58so, the attachment to the shirt,
00:05:01training in a stadium where there was an incredible team,
00:05:05all these things,
00:05:08during my career,
00:05:10I certainly carried them with me.
00:05:12You were taken to Turin as a youngster,
00:05:15and how did you discover it?
00:05:17Did people come to see you?
00:05:18I'm very interested in these parts.
00:05:21So, I remember that they came to see me
00:05:25for a game against Sacchi and Ramaccioni,
00:05:29which was then...
00:05:30As a child?
00:05:32No, I'm talking about...
00:05:33Oh, you're already talking about how you arrived in Milan.
00:05:35No, I'm talking about how you arrived from Venaria to Turin as a child.
00:05:40No, no, they bought me,
00:05:44so, there were the observatories in Turin,
00:05:47and from Venaria...
00:05:48You were very happy, I imagine.
00:05:49Yes, I was very happy.
00:05:51I think they paid me maybe a million,
00:05:55or something like that.
00:05:56That's what they said.
00:05:58I don't know how things went, but...
00:06:03And you were already very strong.
00:06:05You played a lot in Venaria.
00:06:06Or you still had to be...
00:06:08I was always playing on the right,
00:06:12so I had a bit of respect for the others,
00:06:17I had some physical qualities that were a bit more important.
00:06:20They called you a crazy horse.
00:06:23No, come on, not a crazy horse,
00:06:26because in the end, as long as you're one, you're really bad.
00:06:29No, but I had this quality that, compared to the others,
00:06:32I had a shot that was a bit stronger than the others,
00:06:35I had, as I said, some physical qualities,
00:06:38so, compared to the others, I came out a bit more.
00:06:42So...
00:06:43In Turin, was the jump big,
00:06:45or were you there from the start,
00:06:47with the most selected players?
00:06:49No, actually, when you play in a team,
00:06:55even as a child,
00:06:57in a team where there are a lot of good players,
00:07:02you're a bit more relaxed, because they give you the right pass.
00:07:05You're already a bit set up.
00:07:08How old are we talking about?
00:07:1112, 13 years old.
00:07:13So, from the age of...
00:07:15No, maybe even earlier, you know.
00:07:17From the age of the very young kids,
00:07:19very young players, and then the whole line-up.
00:07:22So, yes, 12, 13 years old.
00:07:24Until you get to the anti-chamber of Serie A,
00:07:27because then, with Toro, you win the Scudetto Primavera,
00:07:30you win the Viareggio Tournament.
00:07:32So, first of all, great satisfaction at a young age,
00:07:36but it already smells like real football.
00:07:38When did you realise,
00:07:40I'm doing it?
00:07:42Well...
00:07:46I'm already doing it.
00:07:47It probably happened at the Viareggio Tournament,
00:07:51because that year, in the final against Fiorentina,
00:07:54I managed to score two goals in the final.
00:07:57So, we were already...
00:08:00At the time, both I and Calentini
00:08:02would call us up with the first team to play the first few games.
00:08:06So, there was already an approach.
00:08:08Then, after that final against Viareggio,
00:08:11they called me up again with the first team
00:08:15for a match in the UEFA Cup.
00:08:17So, I said, maybe, maybe I'm doing it.
00:08:21Who was in that Toro?
00:08:23Is there a frame that you remember
00:08:24from when you jumped into the dressing room of the big guys
00:08:27and said, look, it's completely different here?
00:08:29Well, there was Cravero,
00:08:31there was Leo Junior,
00:08:34there was Zaccarelli, Dossena,
00:08:38Giacomo Ferri, Ezio Rossi.
00:08:42I mean, there were a lot of players.
00:08:46Nonismo?
00:08:47No, absolutely not.
00:08:50No, I would say no.
00:08:51The young players always tried to help them a bit,
00:08:53because the excitement of playing in the first team...
00:08:56I don't know if it's the same today,
00:08:59but once you get to play in the first team,
00:09:03it's really difficult.
00:09:05When you got there, you were in a corner,
00:09:09and you hoped...
00:09:11I mean, when you were called up,
00:09:13when you walked in, you really hoped you wouldn't get hurt.
00:09:17So, how do you get into a dressing room?
00:09:18A lot of former guests have told us
00:09:21that some of them even gave her to the captain of the team,
00:09:25some of them didn't talk to anyone because they were almost scared,
00:09:29some of them changed into another dressing room
00:09:31because they weren't ready to change into the dressing room of the first team.
00:09:34That happened to you too?
00:09:35Very well. At the start, that was what happened,
00:09:37because they all had their positions assigned,
00:09:41and you, who came from the Primavera,
00:09:42every now and then you changed into the dressing room of the Primavera,
00:09:45and then you went with the first team.
00:09:47So, yes, there was a bit of fear.
00:09:53But did you get rid of the fear on the pitch?
00:09:55Because then you roll the ball and everything comes back to normal,
00:09:59or did you feel the pressure of the wrong pass in training
00:10:03from the captain or the old man who reproached you?
00:10:08Well, I have to say that I was also quite lucky.
00:10:13At the time, as I said,
00:10:18Zaccarelli was already a player who put you at ease,
00:10:23but so did Cravero and Leo Junior.
00:10:29So, on that side, no one ever made it difficult for you.
00:10:34Also because on the day you had to come on,
00:10:38you already had the pressure of playing in a stadium with 50,000 people,
00:10:43and if there were also people shouting at you from behind,
00:10:48it would have become even more difficult.
00:10:49So, I have to say that on that side I was also absolutely lucky.
00:10:54What about the call for Milan?
00:10:57The call for Milan, yes.
00:11:00As I said before, it was a bit of a blow.
00:11:06Because, let's not forget that at the time,
00:11:13I think Milan was ten years ahead of all the other teams.
00:11:19Because Torino was almost like a family.
00:11:22So, training, going out to eat together,
00:11:26being in a group, it was all a family thing.
00:11:32You had to beat Milan,
00:11:35and for a young player, I don't think it was that easy.
00:11:41The shirt of Milan was heavy.
00:11:42Yes, it was heavy.
00:11:44Then you had to play for San Siro.
00:11:46For me, personally, it wasn't that easy.
00:11:49Even though Milan wanted Sacchi, so...
00:11:54As you said, Sacchi came...
00:11:55Yes, Sacchi Ramaccioni came to see me play a game,
00:11:59if I remember correctly, at Torino Pescare.
00:12:02From there, they decided to buy me.
00:12:05Did they talk to you directly at the end of the game?
00:12:07No, but I knew they were coming to see me.
00:12:12You knew before the game?
00:12:14In a way, yes.
00:12:15But the pressure was high, wasn't it?
00:12:17No, actually, I have to say that game was...
00:12:21It was a game where I played very well.
00:12:25So, luckily...
00:12:27But you arrived in Milan when you were 19.
00:12:29Yes.
00:12:31Milan takes you at 19, so...
00:12:33It was 1989.
00:12:35So, you open the door and you find the Dutch,
00:12:38you find Ancelotti, you find...
00:12:39Yes, I have to say...
00:12:41But what...
00:12:42You played a lot of games to be so young.
00:12:44Absolutely, yes, because Sacchi...
00:12:46I'm asking too many questions.
00:12:47No, I'd like to...
00:12:49I'm asking you if you had played a game against Milan
00:12:53with the shirt of Torino.
00:12:54Yes, absolutely.
00:12:55When you're in the tunnel and you look to the side
00:12:58and you see those players, what do you think?
00:13:00As an opponent, you start by saying, well, today...
00:13:03No, for me it was a stimulus to play with the better ones.
00:13:05For me, it was always a stimulus to play...
00:13:09Because I wanted to prove I was better.
00:13:11So, if I came to play at San Siro with Milan,
00:13:16I wanted to prove I was like them.
00:13:19Even if they played Torino...
00:13:23In fact, no, absolutely not.
00:13:26And how were the...
00:13:27Who told you, do you want Milan? Go to Milan.
00:13:30What were those hours like? Who did you call? How did you live them?
00:13:34I honestly don't remember very well now,
00:13:37because so many years have passed.
00:13:39But they told me I'd been bought by Milan for that amount.
00:13:46Because...
00:13:47Actually, now that I remember, I already had the agent.
00:13:50So, with the agent, I could tell them I was interested in Milan.
00:13:55And then...
00:13:56But you were already the object of the market.
00:13:59I know there are those players who, at the start of the market,
00:14:03will leave.
00:14:04It's true that the market isn't like it is now, every day.
00:14:07But you were the one who came out more than anyone else,
00:14:11and everyone wants you.
00:14:13Or was it a bit of a surprise for you?
00:14:17No, also because of that amount.
00:14:20I don't think there were many of them who could spend it.
00:14:24So, no, I don't know,
00:14:29because it's something I've never really thought about.
00:14:32But if Milan went ahead to buy me, it means...
00:14:38Did Berlusconi talk to you when you arrived? Do you remember?
00:14:41With Berlusconi...
00:14:43Yes, I've spoken to him many times.
00:14:47He's an exceptional person.
00:14:49How was he with the players?
00:14:50He was number one.
00:14:52Absolutely number one.
00:14:53He was also very supportive of the young players.
00:14:56Yes, absolutely.
00:14:57I remember when we were in Milanello,
00:15:00he always arrived in a helicopter.
00:15:03I remember him arriving on the pitch in a suit.
00:15:08It was a time when I didn't play much,
00:15:11and he told me,
00:15:12don't worry, you'll see that you're young,
00:15:15you have time to improve.
00:15:17So, he was an exceptional person.
00:15:20Now we're getting to the heart of the matter.
00:15:22Ramaccioni told us about this.
00:15:25He told us that when he got off...
00:15:27Ramaccioni was there too.
00:15:29When he got off the helicopter,
00:15:32Berlusconi, who was very supportive of everyone,
00:15:35asked me how I was doing.
00:15:36And I would often say,
00:15:38go and talk to...
00:15:39Evani, he's a bit down.
00:15:40Evani, go and talk to him because he needs a word.
00:15:43So, clearly,
00:15:45Berlusconi would have done it,
00:15:48but Ramaccioni was one of those people who...
00:15:50Absolutely.
00:15:51...would have told me that.
00:15:52He was in charge of that journey between the helicopter and Milanello.
00:15:56He was in charge.
00:15:57Where did you live when you played in Milan?
00:15:59I lived in Piazza Firenze.
00:16:02In Milan?
00:16:03Yes, in Piazza Firenze in Milan.
00:16:06You had to go home.
00:16:08Yes, I had to go home.
00:16:09Fortunately, at the time,
00:16:13in that condominium,
00:16:14there was poor Salvatore.
00:16:17Then there was Tasso.
00:16:20How old was Tassotti?
00:16:23I think he was...
00:16:25He was still young.
00:16:26No, he was already old.
00:16:28He was already Tassotti.
00:16:28Yes, he was already Tassotti.
00:16:29He was already Mauro.
00:16:31So, he was also in charge of the youngsters.
00:16:33In the morning, we would go to Milanello together.
00:16:36He would drive us.
00:16:38He would drive you?
00:16:39Yes, yes.
00:16:40Did he ask you for the 5,000 litres of petrol?
00:16:43No, but Mauro was so nice,
00:16:46we would laugh a lot.
00:16:48We could talk about everything.
00:16:52It was a great experience.
00:16:54I want to go back to a question.
00:16:56You were 19 when you joined the Milan hospital.
00:16:59A. What effect did it have on you?
00:17:00B. Did you have a connection with someone?
00:17:02At that age, when you were still...
00:17:06You were still a university student.
00:17:08You had your whole life ahead of you.
00:17:10Who did you approach?
00:17:11There were lots of youngsters.
00:17:13There was Salvatore, Simone,
00:17:16Stroppa, Lantignotti, Antonioli.
00:17:21There were lots of young people at that time.
00:17:26Lots of Italians too.
00:17:27Lots of Italians.
00:17:29At lunch, the young people would sit at the table.
00:17:31At lunch, the young people would sit at the table.
00:17:31And you would make jokes.
00:17:33No, not at Milan.
00:17:35At Milan...
00:17:36It was forbidden.
00:17:36At Milan, it was forbidden.
00:17:38There were Baresi watching.
00:17:40Baresi.
00:17:41There was Sacchi who would check if we were making too much noise.
00:17:46There was also Gambaro.
00:17:47Do you remember Gambaro?
00:17:49So we were a small group.
00:17:51Scalmanati.
00:17:53Gambaro is still very active.
00:17:55We were a small group of Scalmanati.
00:17:58Did Sacchi come by your room too?
00:18:00Yes, absolutely.
00:18:01Did he wear slippers?
00:18:03He wore slippers.
00:18:04Sometimes, I don't say always,
00:18:06but when we heard something, we would turn off the lights
00:18:09and pretend to sleep.
00:18:11He would snore.
00:18:11He would snore.
00:18:12And no one would answer.
00:18:14No one would answer.
00:18:15Now he's snoring. He won't know.
00:18:18Sometimes, because...
00:18:21Besides, Sacchi was a coach that I have to thank.
00:18:27I'll never stop thanking him because
00:18:29it's true that at the time, for a young player,
00:18:32he was really tough.
00:18:35Because he would ask you things that a young player
00:18:38maybe had never done before.
00:18:40Like, he would put his foot on the line for a winger.
00:18:42Very good, very good.
00:18:44And then, off the line...
00:18:45With the megaphone, he would yell at me,
00:18:46like, put your foot on the line!
00:18:48He was a bit of an alteration.
00:18:50So, for a young player, it wasn't easy.
00:18:53But then, he taught us things
00:18:58that we found during our career.
00:19:00So, at the time, those things weren't in your head.
00:19:05So, it was hard to assimilate.
00:19:08But then, as I say, throughout my career,
00:19:11they were useful.
00:19:11What did he say to you when you woke up in the room?
00:19:16He would come in and you'd be like, holy cow!
00:19:18No, no, that's impossible.
00:19:19But if you want to know what he said to us on Saturday night
00:19:24before the game,
00:19:26especially if one of us had to play,
00:19:30he would repeat the moves that we had to make.
00:19:33So, he gave you the training session the night before?
00:19:36The training session...
00:19:38Yes, he gave it to me the night before
00:19:41because, if I remember correctly,
00:19:43before dinner, he would show the opposing team
00:19:47and then he would say who was playing.
00:19:50I think, if I remember correctly.
00:19:51And then he would come into the room and tell you what you had to do.
00:19:56So, he was one of those who really stuck to football.
00:19:59Even at 10pm, he'd have a move-on-move-on, a plan...
00:20:03Absolutely, yes.
00:20:05And how did you prepare your opponents?
00:20:07Because now there are the videos.
00:20:09Yes, yes, but even then there were the videos.
00:20:11So, he would show us the game
00:20:14and he would make a report of everything
00:20:19that concerned the opposing team.
00:20:20The weak point, the strong point,
00:20:23how we had to deal with it, where to press them,
00:20:27what to do, the defenders, the midfielders, the forwards, so on.
00:20:32Was it tough?
00:20:33Yes, absolutely.
00:20:34Even the training sessions were tough?
00:20:35Absolutely, yes.
00:20:36But also physically?
00:20:39Well, you know, he would ask us, as I've said before,
00:20:42to go from Torino, where, I don't know,
00:20:45everyone would do their run,
00:20:47then they'd do a bit of athletic stuff,
00:20:49then they'd do some shots on goal,
00:20:51and then you'd end up with a game.
00:20:54There, everything was done at 150%.
00:20:58So, the game was a touch, two touches, three touches,
00:21:01there was no freedom.
00:21:04You had to do it at 100% of your ability.
00:21:10He always put the team before the individual, didn't he, Sacchi?
00:21:13Absolutely, yes.
00:21:14We saw that, even with Van Basten,
00:21:16and then, in the end, two great personalities
00:21:19who were never 100% together.
00:21:23Yes, because, in the end,
00:21:26he would ask you to stay in a game module.
00:21:31You had to be an actor who did his part well.
00:21:36Which, in the end, was probably the right thing to do,
00:21:43because, if you wanted to be perfect tactically,
00:21:45you had to do what he said.
00:21:48But it's also true that, if you came out of your comfort zone,
00:21:53and you wanted to come up with a 30-metre shot,
00:21:57maybe I, as a winger, couldn't have done it.
00:22:01Maybe Carlo Ancelotti, on the bench, could have done it better than me.
00:22:08But, in my opinion, he gave so much to football that it was fine.
00:22:14Was there a team-mate who particularly impressed you?
00:22:17Fracci, from Tito Olandesi,
00:22:19but it was already a team full of Senators.
00:22:22Well, at the time, for a youngster,
00:22:26Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard...
00:22:30They were...
00:22:32I mean, we were here, young people, and they were here, so...
00:22:38Maybe only Paolo Maldini was...
00:22:42I'm not saying at their level,
00:22:43but you could see that he was ready to do certain things.
00:22:48Absolutely.
00:22:49Is there a particular anecdote related to any of them?
00:22:53We know that, for example, Gullit, even at the break, was a great character.
00:22:59Well, look, I don't want to be repetitive,
00:23:03but I have to say that, at Milan,
00:23:06you had to work hard to train well,
00:23:11to be in a certain range,
00:23:14not to be, let's say, the guy who wanted to do something more
00:23:21to show himself, so...
00:23:24So, at the time, if you weren't from Milan,
00:23:28even off the pitch, you risked not staying at Milan, right?
00:23:31Absolutely, yes.
00:23:32Are there any examples?
00:23:34You've just mentioned some young players
00:23:37who weren't so well-mannered off the pitch,
00:23:40who were excluded for...
00:23:43Maybe he was very good on the pitch?
00:23:46No, I don't remember that, but there are episodes
00:23:49that I remember...
00:23:51For example, in the two years I spent at Milan,
00:23:55I spent a year in Florence, right?
00:23:57In Florence, there was a coach who made you...
00:24:00He made you...
00:24:03You had the freedom, I don't know,
00:24:05if I wanted to go on the pitch in white socks instead of black,
00:24:09I could do it.
00:24:10If I wanted to wear a new headband, I could do it.
00:24:14I remember that in the second year at Milan,
00:24:18there was Capello, and I came in with a keyway on the other side.
00:24:24As soon as Cappello saw me, he said,
00:24:25Diego, take this thing off, put it on properly!
00:24:29And that extravagance I wanted to have at that moment,
00:24:33boom, he immediately...
00:24:36You have to be in a team and behave in a certain way.
00:24:38I remember that there were also...
00:24:41In those years, I don't remember which year,
00:24:43the first was probably UEA with the red shoes,
00:24:46there were coloured shoes.
00:24:47In the dressing room, how did you wear them?
00:24:49I remember that in some clubs, the shoes were black.
00:24:53If you wore coloured shoes,
00:24:56you had to change your shoes.
00:24:59Was there such a thing?
00:25:01Well, I don't remember well,
00:25:06but it's also true that at the time,
00:25:07those coloured shoes were rare,
00:25:10so if you wanted to wear them, it was almost a bit...
00:25:15You couldn't do it.
00:25:17With UEA, you probably had to wear coloured shoes.
00:25:23But honestly, we didn't even pay attention to it,
00:25:29because they weren't there.
00:25:30But were these kinds of references,
00:25:33of observations, or even of your fears,
00:25:36more referred to the managers,
00:25:38to Ramaccioni, to the coach, to the captain?
00:25:41Who was it that formally raised their voice in the dressing room?
00:25:45Well, it was always the coach.
00:25:47Also because my team-mates, Baresio and Gullico,
00:25:51they did their own business.
00:25:54They weren't the kind of guys who would tell you
00:25:58how to tie your shoes,
00:26:00don't tie them like that,
00:26:01or put your socks up instead of down.
00:26:04Absolutely not.
00:26:05It was always the coach who would look at you
00:26:07and tell you if you were OK or not.
00:26:11But when you were 19, what kind of relationship did you have with school?
00:26:16I didn't have a good relationship,
00:26:18because I never liked studying,
00:26:20so I did my first year of high school,
00:26:24and then I gave up because I didn't like it.
00:26:27So I dedicated myself entirely to football.
00:26:29So already at the end of Turin, and then in Milan, only football.
00:26:33I wanted to ask you,
00:26:35I didn't remember it was my fault, my fault, my maximum fault.
00:26:39I didn't remember that you were a great punisher.
00:26:42Yes.
00:26:43I mean, I don't know how to say it.
00:26:47The memory I have of Fusero, because I saw you play,
00:26:50was of a...
00:26:52Now, you don't like it, let's just say a horse, not a fan.
00:26:55Let's say a horse, great legs, great running, great dribbling.
00:26:59The punishment in my head
00:27:02has always been that of the number 10,
00:27:05you know, the one that's nice to look at, the one on the tips.
00:27:10Instead, you had this thing. How did you... Training, training.
00:27:13Look, that thing was born in Florence.
00:27:16So we're a year later, 1991.
00:27:18There was Lazzaroni as a coach.
00:27:22He was very good, by the way.
00:27:25And I liked how Zico punished them.
00:27:28Do you remember that he would make the pass,
00:27:31boom, and score a goal?
00:27:34So, with Lazzaroni, on Saturday,
00:27:37everyone finished training,
00:27:41and I would go there, there was Landucci at the door.
00:27:46Max Allegri's deputy.
00:27:47Max Allegri's deputy.
00:27:49And I would go there, I would put up my barrier,
00:27:53and I would start scoring penalties.
00:27:55I would go there for half an hour, training, training, training,
00:27:58and that year, in Florence, I scored five penalties.
00:28:01I have a question.
00:28:03Now that I think about it, with today's training,
00:28:05scoring so many goals is...
00:28:08Maybe I'm being stupid.
00:28:09You risk getting injured, no?
00:28:11Or did the pace of training keep increasing?
00:28:14Maybe once, you had the leg to kick
00:28:1850, 100 times after a training session.
00:28:21It's true that it was a re-finish, but...
00:28:24Or is it not true?
00:28:25No, no, look, I'm telling you that...
00:28:27I'm sure it's been years, but in Rome,
00:28:30for example, we'd stop with Francesco,
00:28:33with Batistuta, with Assunção,
00:28:37and at the end of training, we'd go there
00:28:39and we'd do the penalty shoot-out, so...
00:28:41It's something that...
00:28:42You did it.
00:28:43By the way, I see you played with Dunga in that Fiorentina.
00:28:48How was he?
00:28:49Well, he...
00:28:51Well, with me, it was always...
00:28:53Because then it depended a bit, you know,
00:28:56if you played well, if you did well,
00:28:58so that year, even in Florence, you did well.
00:29:00So, with me, it wasn't...
00:29:01He was a hammer with the others.
00:29:04Carletto, with the others, he was a bit...
00:29:08He was quite severe, yes.
00:29:10But he was great.
00:29:13He became Brazil's captain in 1994, three years later.
00:29:17So, let's imagine the charisma...
00:29:21But I don't think he helped the young players much.
00:29:24Well, as I said, it depended a bit
00:29:26on whether you did well or not.
00:29:28At the time, if you remember,
00:29:29there was also Massimo Orlando at Fiorentina,
00:29:32who was also a talent,
00:29:34who then got lost a bit, in my opinion,
00:29:36but he was also young, but he didn't tell him much.
00:29:39He got on with others.
00:29:41I have a question.
00:29:42Did Dunga also get on with Mr Pioli,
00:29:43since he played there too?
00:29:47Well, Stefano, it seems to me that he didn't play much that year
00:29:51because he was coming from an injury,
00:29:52so he couldn't play much.
00:29:57But what memories do you have of him?
00:30:00Of Stefano?
00:30:01Well, I remember he was a very good boy.
00:30:05When we see each other, we always greet each other with pleasure.
00:30:11We hug each other because we knew each other very well,
00:30:14but he was always a good boy, a nice person.
00:30:20But to close the chapter on Fiorentina,
00:30:22there was also Stefano Borgonovo in that team.
00:30:24There was also Stefano, yes.
00:30:25You had a very special relationship with him.
00:30:28Yes, because at the beginning I practically lived with him
00:30:32because I hadn't found a house in Florence yet,
00:30:34and he had already been there,
00:30:37or maybe it was the second year,
00:30:40because then we also met in Milan together with Stefano.
00:30:44But he made me a bit of a dad, so to speak.
00:30:50So, yes.
00:30:52A question.
00:30:53I was reading some jokes about him.
00:30:56He probably took you under his sofa so much.
00:30:58Yes, jokes, absolutely.
00:31:01Because he had a friend in Florence.
00:31:06Shall I tell you?
00:31:08Basically, what happened was that his friend and he said,
00:31:15Look, Diego, you're doing well here in Florence, you're scoring goals.
00:31:19There's an Arab company that wants to buy you.
00:31:23I said, come on, guys, don't do this to me.
00:31:25No, no, no.
00:31:26Look, there's a company that...
00:31:28I said, all right, how much do you give me?
00:31:29Now I remember, a disproportionate amount.
00:31:32I said, all right, all right.
00:31:36So they organized everything at this friend's house.
00:31:39A guy came dressed as a fool with the interpreter.
00:31:44So with a girl,
00:31:46basically all night long,
00:31:48to deal with, no, yes, then the private plane,
00:31:51they give you five billion a year, you know, all these things.
00:31:55And then in the end, I said, it's a joke, I'm immortal.
00:32:02This was one of those things.
00:32:05But then you went back to Florence and then you went back to Milan.
00:32:08I don't remember, you were a loaner, weren't you?
00:32:11I was a loaner, yes.
00:32:12And there, how did you go about going back?
00:32:15Did you go about, clearly, playing more?
00:32:19Did you go about knowing you were coming back?
00:32:22So, I have to tell you, that year,
00:32:25I didn't want to leave Florence because,
00:32:28one, I was international.
00:32:31So my neighbours called me international.
00:32:34And what was the fear?
00:32:36That leaving Florence and coming to Milan
00:32:40and not having the certainty to play,
00:32:43I would have lost both the national team and everything else.
00:32:48Because in the end, if you play, you can also improve.
00:32:52You can understand what your flaws are.
00:32:56In short, I was convinced that the more you played, the more you could improve.
00:33:01And that year, when I came back to Milan,
00:33:03Cappello invented Gullit on the right wing.
00:33:08So, Gullit started playing on the right wing,
00:33:12he started scoring goals, he started doing well,
00:33:15and I was left out.
00:33:17So, that year, I remember that Cappello didn't want to let me go,
00:33:24but I forced him to say,
00:33:26no, coach, I want to leave because I want to play,
00:33:29I want to improve, I want to be international.
00:33:31You would have played in Florence, let me explain.
00:33:34In football, there's always that little thing
00:33:39where you say, yes, I'm going to play, but then you have to be able to play.
00:33:42Then you played, but you were sure, I'm going to play there.
00:33:48With Lazzaroni, immediately.
00:33:51Because that year, I think it was the year that Baggio...
00:33:57No, the year after Andalusia.
00:33:58Anyway, there was a bit of a thing with Baggio.
00:34:01When I arrived in Florence, Lazzaroni told me,
00:34:04look Diego, you score the 10.
00:34:06You score the 10 for Baggio.
00:34:08So, in the first few games, I scored the 10,
00:34:11I did well, I scored a few penalties,
00:34:14and then I played all year.
00:34:17Listen, does this testimony of yours allow me to go back to 1989-1990?
00:34:21Because you won the European Cup,
00:34:23you won the current Club World Cup, the Intercontinental Cup,
00:34:27and you won the Champions League.
00:34:30Isn't it obvious that...
00:34:31I mean, at 20, 19 years old, to win so much, you say,
00:34:34there's so much to do here.
00:34:36But to go away, isn't it obvious?
00:34:41I know, but...
00:34:45One is a bit...
00:34:46Let's put it this way.
00:34:49I didn't play in those finals, just the Champions League final.
00:34:52I played in all the other finals.
00:34:56So Sacchi had a lot of faith in me.
00:34:59In his opinion, I was a youngster with quality,
00:35:02compared to the others, who were...
00:35:05There were a lot of them.
00:35:07In a way, I was a bit disappointed with his expectations,
00:35:13in my opinion.
00:35:15Because, I'm telling you,
00:35:18even I, as far as I remember,
00:35:23couldn't give him what he expected.
00:35:27So I played a bit less in the second half of the season.
00:35:32So...
00:35:33Who played in your position on the right?
00:35:37Ivani? No?
00:35:38There was Aldona, Aldoni, Ancelotti, and Ivani.
00:35:45I was in the fourth position,
00:35:48and sometimes Donadoni was in the fourth position.
00:35:51So things changed a bit.
00:35:55But I didn't have the confidence to play.
00:36:00If you went back,
00:36:03given how you found yourself in Florence, would you have changed?
00:36:05Wouldn't you have stayed and said,
00:36:08I'm at Milan, I'm young, I'm strong, I'll stay here for 20 years.
00:36:13But maybe the biggest regret I have
00:36:17is that I arrived at Milan too young.
00:36:21Because there were young players, like Paolo,
00:36:25who were already ready.
00:36:27It's true that I played a lot, I played in the finals,
00:36:33but I hadn't become a complete player yet.
00:36:36What did you miss?
00:36:39I missed being free in my head.
00:36:44It's true that he was someone who taught you a lot,
00:36:47but in my head I was like a robot.
00:36:51I did what he told me to do.
00:36:53The year I went to Florence...
00:36:54You tried to play the game, score goals...
00:36:57I learned things the year before.
00:37:01So from the things you had to do automatically,
00:37:05the next year they came to me on their own.
00:37:10Those were things I learned here at Milan.
00:37:12Correct me if I'm wrong,
00:37:14but I imagine that in that Milan,
00:37:16it's not like you can say, let's give it 10 months...
00:37:19Very good!
00:37:20Either you answer, or...
00:37:23Bang, another one comes in.
00:37:25Now that you mention it,
00:37:27Gasperini can have a bit of a knack for this.
00:37:30I mean, he's very...
00:37:33In his teams, they have to play that way.
00:37:37He has a bit less freedom in his individuality, I'd say.
00:37:44I don't know. I think you'd have to go and see his training sessions.
00:37:50Looking at his training sessions, you'd understand how he plays football.
00:37:55In my opinion, that's...
00:37:57Last two questions about the 1989-90 season,
00:37:59and then we'll move on.
00:38:01Is there an episode that you remember from one of those finals?
00:38:05An anecdote from the dressing room,
00:38:08a pre-match or post-match pullman,
00:38:10a pre-match speech, a call, a fear?
00:38:16No, there's nothing like that,
00:38:21because, as I said, in Milan,
00:38:24there was total silence in the pullman,
00:38:27there was total focus, the stadium was in total focus.
00:38:32You couldn't give up a centimetre in any way,
00:38:36because as soon as someone saw that you were doing something strange,
00:38:42they'd get back at you straight away.
00:38:44So it was all perfect, in my opinion.
00:38:47Did you already know you'd win those finals,
00:38:49because you were in Milan, because you were focused on winning?
00:38:53Was there that thing where you said,
00:38:54we're going to win today?
00:38:56Or did you not know?
00:38:59Well, on paper, you had to win,
00:39:04and it was a team made to win,
00:39:06so losing would have been a double defeat.
00:39:11So you already knew that if you played as everyone else did,
00:39:15as they knew, you'd win the game.
00:39:17And how did you manage the defeats,
00:39:20both individually and as a group?
00:39:23Well, as a group, we immediately tried to train.
00:39:31I remember that when we lost a few games,
00:39:33on Tuesday, when we got there,
00:39:35we immediately tried to find a way to understand why we'd lost.
00:39:42I remember Sacchi saying,
00:39:44if we'd lost on Sunday, it meant we'd missed something during the week.
00:39:51So that's what we had in mind.
00:39:56Speaking of defeats, that year you won a lot,
00:39:59but there was also a huge disappointment,
00:40:03because it was the year of the fatal Verona, if I'm not mistaken.
00:40:06The second fatal Verona.
00:40:08Yes, I think so.
00:40:11With the Scudetto lost to Verona, 2-1.
00:40:14With Bartoli pulling the shirt off, I think, right?
00:40:17Exactly.
00:40:18Do you have any flashbacks from that day?
00:40:21I don't remember playing,
00:40:26but I remember it was a game where everything went wrong.
00:40:29I don't remember if Marco was suspended or expelled.
00:40:34I think he wasn't even there.
00:40:36Exactly, so it was a game where everything went wrong.
00:40:42And then...
00:40:44I have a question.
00:40:46Let's do it, but wait, I have a question.
00:40:48Albertini told us about Sacchi's post-training
00:40:53and the return of the game.
00:40:55You just opened my drawer.
00:40:58He asked everyone, how was the game? What did you see?
00:41:01Do you remember that moment?
00:41:03Or not?
00:41:04He told us about Rijkaard...
00:41:06I remember, but I never talked about it, because I was young.
00:41:10Only the oldest people would talk about it, but it's true.
00:41:15Actually, he always asked, when we lost,
00:41:21why the game didn't go in the right direction.
00:41:25Did you have arguments about that?
00:41:31No, I think that a coach like him
00:41:35would absorb everyone's thoughts,
00:41:39because you could say that we lost
00:41:42because during the week,
00:41:45the moment of freedom, when you were mentally free
00:41:50and could play as you wanted, without two or three touches,
00:41:53could have had an impact on Sunday.
00:41:56Maybe that's what he meant.
00:42:00Let's try to get rid of the memories.
00:42:04No, let's stay on the memories, but let's try to make it fun.
00:42:07So, the classic game we usually play at the end.
00:42:11Why do we want to do something special with you?
00:42:13Not just limit ourselves to the pyramid,
00:42:15but also try to bring back some incredible memories.
00:42:19About the characters?
00:42:20Because we've prepared a special pyramid.
00:42:22I don't know how to define the ten...
00:42:25Extraordinary?
00:42:26Extraordinary, more special.
00:42:27Because you've played with some teammates...
00:42:30We've tried to bring back your career with incredible characters.
00:42:34Really incredible.
00:42:35We'll tell you the names, the positions,
00:42:38and then you'll tell us an episode.
00:42:40Sorry, I can... Okay, fine.
00:42:42Let's start with the first one.
00:42:45Tino Aspriglia.
00:42:47Tino Aspriglia...
00:42:52I'd put him...
00:42:57Here.
00:42:58Second.
00:43:00Do you have an anecdote about Tino?
00:43:03Tino.
00:43:04Do you have an anecdote?
00:43:06An anecdote about Tino... He was always joking.
00:43:09He used to make jokes,
00:43:12but he'd hide his shirt, his trousers...
00:43:17He wasn't as heavy as a player to make jokes about.
00:43:23Second.
00:43:24We've changed it a bit, because you said it before.
00:43:27I'd put Dunga.
00:43:28Dunga.
00:43:30Dunga...
00:43:32He was tough.
00:43:34He wasn't extrovert,
00:43:36but I'd put him...
00:43:39Let's put him here.
00:43:41Third.
00:43:42Dunga.
00:43:44He didn't do anything that made you think he was crazy.
00:43:47No, absolutely not.
00:43:49Being Brazilian, maybe a bit...
00:43:51Brazilians like more beer than...
00:43:54When they celebrate.
00:43:55Well...
00:43:57Some do.
00:43:59Third is a great guy, Gullit.
00:44:03Ruud.
00:44:05Ruud wasn't a regular guy.
00:44:07He liked to sing in the shower, but he was...
00:44:11What did he sing?
00:44:12I don't know. He sang reggae, you know, with those trills.
00:44:17But he wasn't...
00:44:20Let's put him here.
00:44:22Third.
00:44:25Cassano.
00:44:26Cassano, my goodness.
00:44:27You have to give me two, because your reaction...
00:44:30Antonio, let's put him here.
00:44:33You tell me, Cassano, that you're already a man...
00:44:37A man of action.
00:44:39He was a young boy.
00:44:41Antonio was one of the greatest talents we've ever seen.
00:44:47Really.
00:44:49He was...
00:44:51He protected the ball.
00:44:53He played incredible football.
00:44:55But he was crazy.
00:44:57He was really crazy.
00:44:58What did he do in training?
00:45:00Well...
00:45:02He fought against Cappello.
00:45:06I told him about all the colours.
00:45:08I remember, at the start, he was in the room with Sevilla.
00:45:12Do you remember the Sevilla defender, who played for Lazio?
00:45:16He was desperate. He said he had to change the room.
00:45:19He said, Antonio, the music is too loud.
00:45:24He said he didn't have the rules.
00:45:27But he also had this football genius.
00:45:32There's a time when you say, this guy is crazy.
00:45:35I'll tell you this story.
00:45:37When the car hit me in Trigoria,
00:45:39when I was shot at in Trigoria,
00:45:42the car hit me.
00:45:43I pretended not to know, because he didn't say anything.
00:45:46He came to tell me, so I pretended not to know.
00:45:49Then he said, no, Diego, it was me.
00:45:52I said, over there, you know.
00:45:55I said, I'm sorry, all this stuff.
00:45:56Friendly installation.
00:45:57Friendly installation.
00:46:00OK, let's move on.
00:46:01With the undisputed king, Gazza.
00:46:04Gazza, Gazza number one.
00:46:07What can you tell us about him?
00:46:09Come on, Gazza, guys.
00:46:11Gazza, I remember he used to drink.
00:46:17He used to drink, he'd take a can of Coca-Cola,
00:46:21he'd put the beer in it.
00:46:24Logically, he wouldn't tell you, but he'd tell us.
00:46:28He'd say, I don't drink, I don't drink.
00:46:30He'd say, I don't drink, I don't drink.
00:46:32He'd take a can of Coca-Cola, he'd drink it,
00:46:34he'd put the beer in it.
00:46:35He'd take it to Bordocampo, even if he was drunk.
00:46:38Like that.
00:46:39A stupid question, but how did he get caught?
00:46:42Just drinking Coca-Cola?
00:46:44Wasn't there a particular attention to...
00:46:47I mean, was it a scene that was repeated very often?
00:46:51No, I saw him once, because he was in a room...
00:46:56When he was in Malazzo, he was in a closed room.
00:46:59It was a combination.
00:47:00Once I went to his room and I had to say something in private.
00:47:03There was a can of Coca-Cola and he'd say,
00:47:05look Diego, I don't drink, I don't drink.
00:47:07Then Claudio would say, yes, but there's beer in it.
00:47:10So it was like that.
00:47:11Was he as focused in training as he was in the game?
00:47:16Iconic scenes, when he hits the fans, he does things.
00:47:20Even in training, if you made him turn the balls,
00:47:23he'd go for it.
00:47:24Absolutely, yes.
00:47:26Sometimes he'd go for it when...
00:47:30You took it seriously, Diego.
00:47:32You took it seriously when you said it.
00:47:34Yes, because once I got caught with him...
00:47:38Hard interventions, things like that.
00:47:41Yes, but...
00:47:42But was he born with bad interventions on the pitch,
00:47:46with trash-talking?
00:47:47You know, he was used to English football,
00:47:50so he'd always slip, he'd never take his leg off.
00:47:55In training, it's right to do the right thing,
00:48:01but when you exaggerate, everything gets ruined.
00:48:05From that point of view,
00:48:08being used to England, he'd always slip.
00:48:11I remember when you saw him on TV at Isola dei Famosi,
00:48:15what did you think?
00:48:17They called me to go to the studio to comment,
00:48:21but it was during the Covid period,
00:48:24so I didn't go, but he seemed like a different person
00:48:28from how Lazio was.
00:48:31I'll tell you more anecdotes.
00:48:33When I got to the pitch with my motocross bike,
00:48:36with KTM, all green, I entered at full speed,
00:48:39wheeling, and when Zoff saw me, he said,
00:48:42Oh my God!
00:48:45And then the time we had to leave to go to the hotel,
00:48:50he was late, and he was all naked,
00:48:55barefoot, with his clothes under his arm.
00:48:59He got to the bus all naked.
00:49:03But he was also dressed as Apollo.
00:49:07Yes, at the end of the year,
00:49:11he came dressed as Pavarotti.
00:49:15It was all...
00:49:17But when you had team parties,
00:49:20the pizzata, the achievement of a great win,
00:49:24even off the pitch, he was the cheerleader.
00:49:28Yes, yes.
00:49:30As we all know, he drank a lot,
00:49:34he drank a lot, that was their motto.
00:49:39That's how they lived.
00:49:41He was used to it in England,
00:49:44so he went to the bar.
00:49:47But as a manager, as a coach,
00:49:50it was practically impossible to intervene.
00:49:53Zoff used to film him,
00:49:56but one time he came with the extension.
00:49:58He came with long hair.
00:50:00That long?
00:50:03It's a shame, because he was also a great talent,
00:50:07but there were times when he came to the pitch,
00:50:10for example, when he was last in line,
00:50:14he would put two fingers in his mouth.
00:50:17Sorry, Fred, but I have a particular question,
00:50:19even uncomfortable, if you don't mind.
00:50:22With him, but also with some of your team-mates,
00:50:25does it happen that it bothers you?
00:50:27That you say, we're professionals,
00:50:30but you're damaging the team.
00:50:32Or maybe the captain,
00:50:34or maybe you talk about it, but not like that.
00:50:38I have to say no,
00:50:39because when he played,
00:50:43he always gave 100%.
00:50:46When he came on the pitch,
00:50:49he was always one of the best,
00:50:52because for the team,
00:50:53whatever it was, or a teammate,
00:50:56he would immediately come on to defend.
00:50:58He was really there for the team.
00:51:00So, on that side, you couldn't say anything.
00:51:03Then, if you went out and took a break,
00:51:06or sometimes made a joke,
00:51:08we knew, but we also knew
00:51:10that he gave 110% on the pitch.
00:51:12You say Gascoigne,
00:51:13but in those years, I remember Maidire-Gol,
00:51:16which was a bit...
00:51:17But as a player, how did you deal with the satire,
00:51:20with Maidire-Gol, where maybe...
00:51:23The big laughs.
00:51:25Yes.
00:51:26The big laughs.
00:51:27It was a dressing room, you made fun of me.
00:51:30Yes, yes.
00:51:31There was Gollonson, Gozbagliate...
00:51:33It happened, at the end of the game,
00:51:35you say, I did something today, I'll find it.
00:51:38Absolutely, yes.
00:51:40I'm asking you, in this ranking,
00:51:43we didn't put him, but now that I think about it,
00:51:45speaking of Cassano, would Totti fit in,
00:51:48or is he a quiet guy?
00:51:50No, no, Francesco is not...
00:51:53He's a very quiet guy,
00:51:56a very good guy.
00:51:57A nice guy.
00:51:58Yes, a nice guy, Francesco, yes, absolutely.
00:52:02OK, then, continuing with the players,
00:52:04we, not knowing them personally,
00:52:06in the next two names, we put two coaches.
00:52:09The first one is Malesani.
00:52:11Malesani is number one.
00:52:13Malesani is number one.
00:52:15Go on, great Alberto, great Alberto.
00:52:18Great because...
00:52:20OK, we'll put him here, Malesani.
00:52:22He's third too.
00:52:23Malesani.
00:52:26He's great because...
00:52:28Look, he came to Parma,
00:52:33it looked like he'd written a book about football,
00:52:36where you had to do as he said.
00:52:39At the start, there were some problems with the team
00:52:45because they all played at home, so...
00:52:49He was good at changing his training style
00:52:55and the way he dealt with his players.
00:53:00He was very good.
00:53:02Why do you think he hasn't trained as much as he could?
00:53:06He hasn't trained...
00:53:09I spoke to him two years ago, in Parma,
00:53:12because he didn't have a procurator.
00:53:14Without a procurator, he was fired.
00:53:18Because he proposed some tactical things
00:53:24that you see today.
00:53:25I spoke to Fabio Cannavaro last year,
00:53:27we met again after a while,
00:53:30and I said,
00:53:31Malesani, the things he said are current in today's football.
00:53:36He proposed some really interesting things,
00:53:38but without a procurator,
00:53:42without anyone pushing him,
00:53:45it was a real damage to football.
00:53:50He was a very well-trained coach.
00:53:54It's a bit like... I'm going to philosophise a bit.
00:53:58It's the end of the greats, not being included.
00:54:00Do you put him among the greats or...
00:54:02He was a good coach, but not like that.
00:54:05But being so avant-garde...
00:54:07I would put him...
00:54:08He was a great coach for me.
00:54:10He was a great coach because he did well
00:54:14and they didn't give him the right credit for what he did.
00:54:18Because in the end...
00:54:20Maybe because he had this character,
00:54:24maybe he didn't get on well with some people,
00:54:28but he went his own way, he had his ideas.
00:54:31In fact, I think they mistreated him.
00:54:35He wasn't understood.
00:54:36But now he's really stopped.
00:54:39He makes wine now, doesn't he?
00:54:41Yes, I think so.
00:54:43I have two questions.
00:54:44The first is, if you tell us about Malesani and Extracampo.
00:54:48Malesani and Extracampo...
00:54:51I can't tell you much about them.
00:54:54I can tell you that he played with us,
00:54:56that he had fun with us.
00:54:59Because Extracampo... What do you mean?
00:55:03A little bit of fun, a little bit of...
00:55:07No, sometimes he would come out.
00:55:11Maybe in training he would say,
00:55:13why are you here? Why me? I'm better than Van Gaal!
00:55:17I'm better than Van Gaal!
00:55:19You know what I mean?
00:55:21He would leave when he got drunk.
00:55:24This pyramid is also a part of your career.
00:55:28You mentioned Totti.
00:55:29I mentioned Brescia, but you didn't play for Brescia.
00:55:32But Pep Guardiola played for Brescia and you played for Roma.
00:55:36I imagine you had a slight dispute with him.
00:55:40He's in that parable between Qatar and goodbye to Barcelona.
00:55:46He had a special career as a coach.
00:55:50What kind of a player was he?
00:55:51He did great things as a player.
00:55:53Did you know he would be a visionary?
00:55:59No, absolutely not.
00:56:01I only remember Pep when he came to Roma.
00:56:05Cappello didn't see him much because of the way he played.
00:56:10Sometimes we would talk and he would say,
00:56:14Cappello doesn't see me much, he wants to leave.
00:56:17But I don't think anyone could have imagined him as a coach.
00:56:23A striker like you, who had a director like that...
00:56:27Yesterday we only watched two games together,
00:56:31because he didn't do much.
00:56:32But in training, did you understand he could say so much?
00:56:36Or did he not emerge so much?
00:56:39He was used to a system of play
00:56:42that was what made him play for Barcelona over the years.
00:56:47It was all about passing.
00:56:49Still at Cruyff.
00:56:50Yes, probably that kind of play...
00:56:55Maybe he wasn't ready to play in Italy yet.
00:56:58Maybe that's why he has less problems than Roma.
00:57:05Name, please.
00:57:06Name, another name. Zeman.
00:57:09Zeman, another name.
00:57:11Yes, all as one.
00:57:13Only the fourth position.
00:57:15I was lucky to have very good coaches.
00:57:20But he didn't stop training.
00:57:22He went on until...
00:57:24Zeman was one of them.
00:57:27He had an incredible vision of football in terms of the attacking phase.
00:57:34And the wingers with Zeman?
00:57:35Yes, he had incredible plans.
00:57:40But he was a character.
00:57:43I remember an episode with Chamot in that country.
00:57:51I shot it in two shots.
00:57:53Chamot said,
00:57:55''Go on, go on!''
00:57:56He turned around and said,
00:57:58''Go on, you go on!''
00:58:03But he was a great player.
00:58:06Did he smoke in training?
00:58:07In the locker room? Cigarettes?
00:58:09Yes, when we did the tests with the machine.
00:58:14He would shoot it and at the end he would give you the score.
00:58:20How much time did you have to do it?
00:58:22He was great.
00:58:23But he was a tough guy.
00:58:25Yes, he was a tough guy.
00:58:28When you started to score a thousand goals,
00:58:31before you started, he would say,
00:58:35''It's too late! You have to score a thousand more!''
00:58:39Yes, he used to make a lot of jokes.
00:58:42Yes.
00:58:43Even about the players.
00:58:44He was great.
00:58:45I liked him.
00:58:47I had him. He was Kutuzov at Avellino.
00:58:51He told us that he was here and he would make fun of him
00:58:54because he hadn't scored yet.
00:58:55He was in B to score.
00:58:57In the locker room, he would say,
00:58:59''No, but he scores on Sundays!''
00:59:01''He never scores!''
00:59:04If you know him well, he's a great character.
00:59:10Absolutely.
00:59:11This is a great friend of yours.
00:59:14He was described by the media as a bit of a pervert.
00:59:19Lentini, Gigi.
00:59:21Gigi was a bit of a pervert because of the way he dressed and the way he was.
00:59:30But he didn't do strange things.
00:59:35Not at all.
00:59:36No, Gigi was...
00:59:38He was a great talent.
00:59:39Absolutely.
00:59:41Why don't the wings exist anymore?
00:59:44Because he changed the way he played.
00:59:47Can I say something?
00:59:48He took a few games off.
00:59:50In my opinion, the Champions League final was a great game,
00:59:54especially in the first half.
00:59:56If you look at the games now,
00:59:58after a quarter of an hour, I fall asleep.
01:00:01You don't have to make 50 passes to score.
01:00:05Why not make 50 passes to score?
01:00:07I think they want to imitate the great Barcelona.
01:00:17Barcelona was unique.
01:00:19I don't share the way many teams play now.
01:00:24The goalkeeper has to make the free-kick.
01:00:27The goalkeeper has to make the free-kick.
01:00:29You have to stop me.
01:00:31I don't care if you pass me to widen the play.
01:00:37And then they make a fool of me.
01:00:38Do you think they'll do it again?
01:00:41I mean...
01:00:44Do you think they'll do it again?
01:00:46I don't know, but I remember the coaches saying
01:00:51you have to try and score as little as possible.
01:00:54It's not like I always have to make the free-kick.
01:00:57There's a long pass, a free-kick,
01:00:59and a free-kick that you score in 10 seconds.
01:01:03So I don't know if they'll do it again.
01:01:06It'll depend on the coaches.
01:01:09But if it all starts from the bottom,
01:01:11if it starts with the young players,
01:01:14and you make them do certain things...
01:01:16For example, I go out to play football on Thursday night
01:01:20with my wife and kids,
01:01:22because I don't want to struggle anymore.
01:01:24So I play with people who have never played football before.
01:01:28But sometimes there are young players.
01:01:32And if you see a young player who plays in goal,
01:01:35you see that he's already set up.
01:01:38He makes the pass, here and there.
01:01:40You see that they're already teaching him.
01:01:42And I don't know if it's right
01:01:45not to give him space for his own invention.
01:01:50It's difficult to see a young player
01:01:52who instead of passing the ball, dribbles and shoots in goal.
01:01:56So I don't know if football will go back.
01:02:01We'll find out.
01:02:04The last two are, from Estrosi par excellence, two goalkeepers.
01:02:08The first one is Buffon.
01:02:11Gigi.
01:02:12Gigi was hot-tempered.
01:02:16At the beginning, when Parma was with you, he was young.
01:02:19He said he had changed a lot since then.
01:02:23Tell us a bit about that.
01:02:24At the beginning, I remember Parma...
01:02:28One time, we went into the dressing room with a radio
01:02:33on top of a mobile phone, full volume,
01:02:37and he started to dance like...
01:02:41Malesani came in, with his eyes as if he'd seen something.
01:02:47He turned off the radio.
01:02:49Gigi has always been hot-tempered, nice.
01:02:56He showed his hot-tempered side with the saves he made.
01:03:01You could tell he was young.
01:03:04I remember I had to kick from the edge of the box
01:03:08to score a goal.
01:03:10You had to cross the ball, or you couldn't score.
01:03:13So you could see all his qualities.
01:03:15Absolutely.
01:03:16Was he a good coach, or did he have great skills?
01:03:20He always trained well.
01:03:23The last one, of course, is the last four,
01:03:26because they're the last holes.
01:03:28Lorieri.
01:03:30What was Lorieri like?
01:03:31Lorieri was like Buffon.
01:03:34He'd go to the dressing room with the radio,
01:03:37he'd dance, he was...
01:03:40But Lorieri was good too.
01:03:42They're all in fourth place, but there are plenty of alternatives.
01:03:45But Gazza...
01:03:46Gazza was number one.
01:03:48Gazza, Cassano, Aspriglia...
01:03:50Gazza was number one.
01:03:51He was a flying player who turned everything around.
01:03:54As for the dressing room, the outfits,
01:03:57was there one of them, or maybe someone else,
01:03:59who you'd see in training and say,
01:04:01Where did this come from?
01:04:02Gazza or Lentini.
01:04:05Gazza was zero-degree,
01:04:07he'd come to training all naked,
01:04:11with just his vest.
01:04:13Vest, all naked, that's it.
01:04:15Naked chest, that's how he'd train.
01:04:18And Lentini, he had a particular way of dressing,
01:04:25a bit colourful, a bit of everything.
01:04:27They were strange.
01:04:28Absolutely the two of them.
01:04:30I have a question.
01:04:31We're getting closer to the end of your career.
01:04:35You're going to Rome, because Cafu is at the end of his career,
01:04:38so how do you plan to alternate with him?
01:04:41How was it to go to Rome, after having played so much at Lazio?
01:04:46And then, in the meantime, answer this.
01:04:50I have to say that the Roma fans were great,
01:04:53because they never said anything to me,
01:04:58in the two years I was there, so I felt good.
01:05:01There's a story that the first training session I did in Trigoria,
01:05:07there was a wall and everything,
01:05:09someone jumps on the wall and shouts to me,
01:05:13A Fuser, a spiavaziale!
01:05:18I was like that, I made a joke with a hat that said,
01:05:21Go away!
01:05:24But it's obvious that I don't think I played in the derby.
01:05:30But in the city, when you were out and about?
01:05:34No, no.
01:05:35But this is the other question I had.
01:05:37Because you're from Turin, you grew up in Turin,
01:05:40you spent seven years in Turin, you played for Toro,
01:05:42you played for Milan.
01:05:43You scored in a derby, if I'm not mistaken.
01:05:45The first goal I scored with Milan, yes.
01:05:47You played for Rome and Lazio, so you lived through three big derbies.
01:05:50Maybe you miss the one in Genoa,
01:05:53but they're three of the four main derbies in Italy, I'd say.
01:06:00Tell me about each of the three derbies.
01:06:02How do you live in Turin, how do you live in Milan, how do you live in Rome?
01:06:05Because they're all three different, for many reasons.
01:06:08So, Turin and Milan, you live them in the same way,
01:06:13in the sense that it's a game like any other.
01:06:17It's true that you feel it, because Toro-Juve,
01:06:23you feel it because they're fans of Toro.
01:06:25For them, winning the derby is like winning the league.
01:06:27So, you feel it relatively.
01:06:33The one in Milan is the derby.
01:06:38The one in Rome, you live it a month before.
01:06:41You live it a month before, because the fans come out of the training ground
01:06:48and start chanting,
01:06:51I want to be in the derby, I want to be in the derby, I want to be in the derby.
01:06:54A month before, so you live it.
01:06:56Then, in Rome, there are lots of radios,
01:07:00so there's the radio that pumps and tells you.
01:07:03How did you live the extra time in Rome?
01:07:05Did you stay at home and on the pitch, or when you came out...
01:07:10No, I have to say that you lived the city the way you wanted.
01:07:15Absolutely, there was no...
01:07:17If there were fans, if they wanted to take a photo, they would say hello.
01:07:22But, absolutely...
01:07:24The thing I don't want to miss about Diego's career
01:07:28is that he played for the strongest teams in Italy.
01:07:31Because, today, you see Fiorentina, Lazio, Parma, Roma...
01:07:36Yes, historical teams.
01:07:37No, because there was the Lazio of Cragnotti,
01:07:41where there were really great players.
01:07:45Nedved played with Almeyda, Mancini, Nesta, Divayo, Bocsic, Casiraghi.
01:07:50The greatest, and it was like...
01:07:53Atalanta.
01:07:54Atalanta, the strongest, but as a name...
01:07:58Maybe, yes, Parma was Parma.
01:08:01Parma there, the most famous names are Buffon, Benarrivo, Baggio,
01:08:05Crespo, Veron, Cannavaro, Chiesa, Turan, Fiore, Aspriglia...
01:08:09And, by the way, Atalanta won the Europa League recently.
01:08:14The last team to win it, if I'm not mistaken, was Parma.
01:08:17With Malesani.
01:08:18With Malesani.
01:08:19Do you remember Malesani during the pre-post final?
01:08:23Yes, at the end of the final...
01:08:27With arms in the air...
01:08:32Good memories.
01:08:33Good memories, but...
01:08:35I've read somewhere that there was a draw between Parma and Atalanta.
01:08:43But I don't think there was a match.
01:08:46We had too much quality compared to Atalanta.
01:08:49And we'd already won the Coppa Italia and the Italian Super Cup.
01:08:56The team was Buffon, Turan, Cannavaro, Benarrivo...
01:09:02Vanoli.
01:09:03Vanoli, Crespo, Veron, Chiesa...
01:09:08Fiore was good.
01:09:10In Palchina there was Stanis, Aspriglia, Bussi, Fiore...
01:09:17A great Parma team.
01:09:19Then came Paolo Sosa and Ortega.
01:09:24Who was Ortega?
01:09:26The burrito!
01:09:27My idol was Ortega.
01:09:31How was he?
01:09:32He was a good player, but I don't think Parma did very well.
01:09:38He played with Seisao.
01:09:40He was in a different position.
01:09:42I played with Parma and he played in front.
01:09:47Did you expect Seisao to become a coach?
01:09:51No, not at all.
01:09:53When you play with him, you expect him to be a coach.
01:10:00What about De Rossi?
01:10:03You played with him in Rome.
01:10:05Yes.
01:10:06What did you expect Totti to do in his post-career?
01:10:11He can do whatever he wants.
01:10:13He's the ambassador of Rome, but in the end...
01:10:16In the end he goes to Rome, finishes and returns to Turin in B.
01:10:22Was that a heart-felt decision?
01:10:25Yes, absolutely.
01:10:27Absolutely, because everyone in my family was a fan of Toro.
01:10:32I couldn't stop them.
01:10:34I said, Diego, I have to go there and help the young players.
01:10:43I got there and I was in good shape.
01:10:47I played all the time, I was the captain and everything.
01:10:52Six months later, I had some family problems and that's how it was.
01:11:02Who is Diego Fusero?
01:11:05Oh my God.
01:11:06Where does he come from? When was he born?
01:11:10Everyone sings his chorus, even Demetrio.
01:11:13How is it?
01:11:14He was born in Rome.
01:11:16It was the opening song of Ufo Robo, by Goldreiz.
01:11:19They sang it when I scored,
01:11:21Macchie, Macchie, Diego Fusero, Diego Fusero, pa-pa-pa-ra-pa-ra-pa-ra-pa-ra.
01:11:25I'd get goosebumps.
01:11:27It's spectacular.
01:11:28It's beautiful.
01:11:30The whole stadium sings it.
01:11:33Every time I think about it,
01:11:35the Lazio fans come to me with goosebumps because it's beautiful.
01:11:40One of the best things about a career like yours
01:11:43is that if you ask the fans of every team you've played for,
01:11:48they'll give you a positive memory.
01:11:50Am I wrong?
01:11:51Yes, I think so.
01:11:52And you speak well of everyone.
01:11:55You said the Milan replacement,
01:11:57but when you look back at those two years,
01:12:02it's incredible that you've won the Champions League.
01:12:05In every stadium, you keep a positive memory and you've left a positive one.
01:12:11I think that when you turn your career upside down, it's the best thing.
01:12:15Yes, it's the most gratifying thing.
01:12:19It means that I've had great professionalism,
01:12:25that I've always behaved well,
01:12:27that I've met great people,
01:12:30and that I've been lucky enough to travel to great cities.
01:12:34I've left my heart in Florence.
01:12:38In every city, you always leave a positive memory.
01:12:41I remember the goal against Juve in Florence,
01:12:43which I'd been waiting for years,
01:12:45and then against Roma.
01:12:48I'm happy.
01:12:51If I hadn't had my family problems,
01:12:57I could have played in Serie A for up to 40 years.
01:13:00With the physique I had, I could have done it,
01:13:05but unfortunately, that's life.
01:13:07I have three questions.
01:13:09Two players.
01:13:12One, I don't know why, he was a bit exotic,
01:13:14I remember him at Lazio, this South African Fisch.
01:13:18I don't know why, what was his name?
01:13:19Fisch!
01:13:20I've got it!
01:13:21Well done, Fisch!
01:13:23I've got it, Fisch!
01:13:25I knew he was there.
01:13:25He was a long guy who played in the back.
01:13:28Well done, he did...
01:13:30A golden boy.
01:13:31A golden boy, of course.
01:13:33I don't remember now, maybe a year.
01:13:36Fisch, a very good boy, a good player too.
01:13:39He was good in the back, with his feet.
01:13:42The other one is Adani.
01:13:44Lele Adani.
01:13:45Adani.
01:13:47I played for Lazio with Adani.
01:13:48You played for Lazio in 1994-95.
01:13:501994-95, I don't remember.
01:13:52Just one year.
01:13:53He didn't play much, maybe.
01:13:55Maybe he was parked.
01:13:59And the last one was about the shirts.
01:14:01You had this thing about keeping them,
01:14:03you had your one, I had mine.
01:14:05I have all my personal shirts, yes.
01:14:07The teams I played for, I have them all.
01:14:09But when you changed the numbers,
01:14:10how many did you have?
01:14:12Did you have just one, like the Milan one?
01:14:14Did you always have the number behind it?
01:14:16Did you have the 7, the 10, the 9?
01:14:18Or how did it work?
01:14:19No, I kept...
01:14:20Yes, we changed the numbers
01:14:22until we could decide,
01:14:25because at the time there was still...
01:14:26But maybe I kept the 7 or the 8,
01:14:29I don't remember now, but yes.
01:14:30What about the collections?
01:14:31Are there any more?
01:14:33Collections, like the opposing teams,
01:14:36Barcelona, Real Madrid,
01:14:39all the most important teams
01:14:41that we played against,
01:14:42I have absolutely nothing.
01:14:43But who is the most incredible person
01:14:44you met on your way?
01:14:45It may not necessarily be on the pitch.
01:14:48Maybe through a team
01:14:49you went to visit someone,
01:14:51or a teammate who said,
01:14:52no, he's a magical person,
01:14:54really special, with a personality,
01:14:56a person who gave you so much.
01:15:00It can be super famous,
01:15:02or someone important to you.
01:15:05I have to say that I was also lucky
01:15:10to have many good teammates.
01:15:12So I linked with everyone.
01:15:16There were people like Fabio Cannavaro,
01:15:19Turan, Bogossian, Dino Baggio, Chiesa,
01:15:23we used to go out a lot together
01:15:24when we were at Parma,
01:15:26or in Rome with Marchegiani, Casiraghi,
01:15:29and others, Orsi.
01:15:32I've always had a good relationship with everyone.
01:15:35So there's not a single person
01:15:38who during my career
01:15:39has been decisive.
01:15:41But why didn't you make a choice?
01:15:43Why didn't you say you wanted to be a coach,
01:15:45or a staff member?
01:15:45You don't like that.
01:15:47Because it was something that,
01:15:49in my head,
01:15:51it was always that once I finished playing,
01:15:55I wanted to stay at home
01:15:57and with my family.
01:15:59Because during your career,
01:16:04if you play for big teams,
01:16:05you have a different rhythm
01:16:08than a normal team,
01:16:09because you have the Cup,
01:16:10you have the National Team,
01:16:11so during your career,
01:16:14you have little time for your family.
01:16:16So I said,
01:16:17when I finish playing,
01:16:18I want to stay with my family.
01:16:20What do you do now?
01:16:24At the moment,
01:16:26let's say that last year,
01:16:28I organized events
01:16:31with former players.
01:16:33In fact, I founded an ISD
01:16:35called Football Stars,
01:16:37where every now and then,
01:16:38two or three times a year,
01:16:39I organize events,
01:16:41where there's the padel event
01:16:43and the football event.
01:16:45Then we do a final ranking
01:16:47with an award,
01:16:49and so, every now and then,
01:16:52last year we went to Dubai,
01:16:55we came here to Milan,
01:16:56we went to Riccione,
01:16:58we did a couple of events.
01:17:01It's also a way
01:17:02to get old teammates back.
01:17:05So it was something...
01:17:06Last question before our final game.
01:17:08Tell us a bit about footgolf.
01:17:09Because we were talking about it
01:17:10before at Forionda.
01:17:12I want to try it, I'm telling you.
01:17:14With those feet that are absolutely
01:17:15dedicated, you should go.
01:17:17But the word is funny.
01:17:20The word is to spend a day,
01:17:21do something new.
01:17:22No, but in 60 seconds,
01:17:24tell us about the rules, the process.
01:17:27The rules are exactly the same as in golf.
01:17:31So, the rules of golf
01:17:33and footgolf are the same.
01:17:35Basically, in a normal golf hole,
01:17:38two or three holes of footgolf were created,
01:17:41because logically you can't shoot
01:17:44400-meter balls.
01:17:47And so, they were created,
01:17:49let's say,
01:17:50they split a golf hole in two.
01:17:53A hole was created to let in a normal ball.
01:17:57And so, the winner is the one
01:18:00who makes the 18 holes and shoots less.
01:18:02Exactly like in golf.
01:18:05You start with groups of four people.
01:18:07So you can play individually or in pairs.
01:18:12And that's it.
01:18:14You can play in a golf course,
01:18:15which is wonderful.
01:18:17And so, that's it.
01:18:18You said you also get old teammates back.
01:18:20What you say is very strong.
01:18:22Your foot is great.
01:18:26I'm the strongest.
01:18:28I wanted to say that.
01:18:31No, apart from that,
01:18:33the problem is that there are so many good players,
01:18:34but it's not easy,
01:18:36because, anyway,
01:18:37calculating the tendency,
01:18:39calculating the strength,
01:18:41making a hole,
01:18:42it seems easy,
01:18:44but I've seen someone like Francesco Tocci in trouble.
01:18:48So, it's not that easy to make a hole.
01:18:51But now Fazzini is trying.
01:18:52Another great player.
01:18:53One of the great players was Seedorf.
01:18:55Clarence is great.
01:18:57So, but...
01:18:58I imagine that as soon as there's someone better than him...
01:19:02No, also because when we play with each other,
01:19:05there's a lot of competition.
01:19:07Yes, that's nice.
01:19:08Fantastic.
01:19:09So, let's finish with this.
01:19:10Go.
01:19:11So, for our guests,
01:19:14as a sign of good luck,
01:19:16we have a magic lamp.
01:19:18So, we ask you to rub it
01:19:21and express your three wishes for anything.
01:19:24It can be anything.
01:19:26Let's hope they come true.
01:19:30I'll rub it.
01:19:32You can express three wishes.
01:19:36I don't know. One is...
01:19:39for my family, that they're always well.
01:19:42So, in the first place, I'd put my family,
01:19:44which is the most important thing.
01:19:45My daughter, my wife,
01:19:47my loved ones.
01:19:49Then...
01:19:53What else? I don't know.
01:19:54Others...
01:19:57I could have a lot of money.
01:20:01Well, one loves them, you know.
01:20:05A lot of money.
01:20:06And the third one...
01:20:09I don't know, that of...
01:20:12Another wish, I'd say, that of...
01:20:17Don't say bullshit.
01:20:19I don't know, to buy...
01:20:22a nice Ferrari worth two million euros.
01:20:25That's it.