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00:00Pucks with Hags is brought to you by Price Picks and the Game Time app.
00:07Welcome to another Pucks with Hags podcast powered by Price Picks, the exclusive daily
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00:14I believe it's the 123rd episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
00:17We are going to have with us today, the athletics, Fluto Shinzawa, a longtime colleague of mine,
00:22good guy, hockey dad, always interested to talk about the Bruins and anything hockey
00:27related.
00:28And this time it is also is Steve Conroy time because I see him there.
00:31What's up, Steve?
00:33All right.
00:34We got everybody here.
00:36I know you were watching the rookie game, Steve.
00:40So why don't you, any impressions that you had just from watching that game now that
00:44it's just concluded?
00:47Not a ton.
00:49Riley Duran looks like a pretty good player.
00:52Yep.
00:53You know, he went high to the net.
00:55He's going to, you know, stick around, I think, in camp for a little while anyway.
01:01Yeah.
01:02He's got he's got a little mark, see it's what they're looking for.
01:05I don't know if he's going to make the team or not this year, but he's going to be around
01:09for a bit.
01:11Brett Harrison made a beautiful pass to to John Farinacci for a goal.
01:20Jackson Edward looks like he's, you know, got a got a little bite to him.
01:24Yeah.
01:25Yeah.
01:26That's about it.
01:27Yeah.
01:28I would I would say the D in general looked a little rough at times.
01:29It was it was like 6-3 final, I think.
01:31Yeah.
01:32I saw Mast and Brunet were out there in their zone a lot, quite a bit during the game, just
01:38watching, you know, the defenseman.
01:40It's hard to pick up the numbers, to be honest with you, on the on the live stream.
01:44It is a little tough.
01:45And Harrison actually had a nice goal, too.
01:48He just drove it straight to the net and just slammed it past the goal.
01:51He just drove it straight to the screen.
01:53I think that was the Duran goal, wasn't it?
01:55I think they gave it to Harrison.
01:57I'm pretty sure it was Harrison.
01:58I don't know if it was if it was Duran, it was a nice goal.
02:00But I thought it was Harry.
02:01I think that was the Duran goal.
02:03Either way, whichever one it was, Duran or Harrison, they just decided they were going
02:06straight to the net, crashed it and basically forced the puck in.
02:10So they looked good.
02:11I thought both of them, Riley Duran, Farinacci, I thought looks like an excellent player.
02:15But really, those are the kind of guys you would expect that have gotten some age all
02:19time and are a little bit older that should sort of, you know, shine in that setting.
02:22So we'll see as things go on.
02:24But as we're talking about the prospects, Fluto, I wonder your thoughts on Riley Duran
02:30and sort of, you know, what chances he might have or, you know, what the Bruins think of
02:35him from a management perspective.
02:37I agree with Steve.
02:38Like, I think if he does ever get NHL time, it's going to be bottom six, third, fourth
02:43line.
02:44I'm sure that's where he'll get a lot of the reps in training campus if they do give him
02:48an extended look.
02:49But where do you think he might sort of fit into this Bruins picture?
02:52Future fourth line right wing.
02:55And there's nothing wrong with that, especially given the player's pedigree.
02:59Not much of a scorer at school at Providence, but definitely one of those guys that, OK,
03:07maybe the pro style is just going to be more conducive to his game, just where it's north,
03:13south.
03:14He doesn't like, OK, of course, you want everybody to score.
03:19But that's not going to be his job.
03:21If he if he makes it full time, he's going to be killing penalties, maybe taking some
03:25faceoffs, playing physical energy.
03:28So what is that?
03:30Is that four goals, eight assists at some point?
03:34And whatever.
03:35That's fine.
03:36If you're playing nine, 10, 11 minutes a game.
03:39So yeah, in that way, that's that's a good pro.
03:45A solid fourth line guy and he will be cheap is also one thing.
03:52So if you can fill out that fourth line with these kinds of entry level, minimum salary
03:58guys, you're in good shape because you've got to balance that out with the high ticket
04:02items.
04:03So, yeah, he needs he needs work, I'm sure.
04:07Just get some some good pro reps in Providence as a full time first year pro.
04:14But yeah, you see one guy, two guys, three guys get hurt up top.
04:19You might say.
04:20Yeah.
04:21I think Peter Shirell used to call that backfilling his roster with, you know, some of those young
04:25players after the cheap guy, entry level contract guys after you, you know, signed your big
04:30ticket guys to take up the bulk of the salary cap.
04:33There's no question about it.
04:35Duran's going to be interesting to watch.
04:36I also think he's a guy and I think Mugenel talked about this a little bit, who I think
04:42is going to translate into the pro game even maybe even better than he did the college
04:45game just because he is a very smart player.
04:48I think when you put him with other high IQ players around him, it makes him better, too.
04:53And just the fact that he's six to over 200 pounds, he's got ideal NHL size.
04:57There's a lot of things.
04:58He's a smart kid.
04:59He's got a little bit more skill than you think he does if he's going to play that role.
05:03So we will occasionally, as you mentioned, put in a goal or an assist here.
05:06They're not a big scorer by any means, but at least when he has a good offensive chance,
05:11he can take advantage of it.
05:13Anybody else, Fluto, in this rookie camp that you're curious about, that you do maybe want
05:19to get a little bit of a look at, that you think might be able to go into regular training
05:23camp and be sort of a dark horse guy to watch?
05:26No, not among this current game group.
05:32And it was explained regarding some of the other higher prospects like Lysel and Merkulov
05:38who have played in this tournament.
05:40They want them on equal ground with the big boys come that first on-ice day when main
05:47camp opens.
05:48So if any of these kids stick around for a while, I think that'll be a huge surprise.
05:56It's just not that kind of roster right now.
05:58No, most definitely.
05:59I do think there may be a player or two on here that we will see at some point in Boston
06:04over the season, whether it's maybe Farinagi, maybe Duran.
06:08There's a couple of guys that if there's injuries or something happens, I certainly
06:11think could, you know, log a little bit of NHL time, but there's no question.
06:16I think all eyes, as far as the Bruins prospects go and the guys that will really seriously
06:22compete for a job in camp, Lysel is the biggest guy that you look at.
06:25And I know you wrote about it in The Athletic the other day, Fluto, and it's true.
06:28I think a lot of the signs point towards the Bruins kind of wanting him to win that job
06:34or at least putting him in the best position possible to potentially win that job with
06:38Coyle and Marchand as a second-line right winger.
06:42Because let's face it, there's not a ton of guys in the Bruins system prospect-wise that
06:46could effectively replace Jake DeBrusque's offense, his game-breaking ability, a lot
06:52of the stuff that he brings to the table that kind of Lysel has in his toolkit.
06:56So it's going to be interesting to watch him in regular camp.
06:59Let's move on to another topic.
07:01Ryan Johnston, named the new radio play-by-play voice of the Boston Bruins, long-term personality
07:08on 98.5, fill-in guy, has filled in as a radio play-by-play guy from time to time in the
07:15past.
07:16Steve, I would say Ryan Johnston's a guy that's absolutely paid his dues over the years.
07:21This was a long time coming for him.
07:23He's proven he can do the job.
07:25He has paid his dues in every way possible, from being an HL play-by-play guy to hanging
07:29around and waiting for one of these jobs to open up for him.
07:33So it was really good to see, as Judd Surratt goes to Nesson and replaces Jack Edwards as
07:38the TV play-by-play guy, that Johnston is now going to get the job that I think a lot
07:42of people were hoping he was going to get as the radio guy.
07:44Yeah, yeah.
07:45It makes sense.
07:47He's covered games, the low-locked monsters, the daily-departed low-locked matches.
07:54He was the play-by-play guy for a long time.
07:56I think he and Wojciech were there at the same time, if I remember correctly.
07:59Were they?
08:00Yeah.
08:01Yeah.
08:02He's done the job.
08:03He's been banging on the door.
08:06I don't know Ryan very well.
08:08I met him a few years ago when he was filling in for—it might have been Gosch, I'm not
08:14sure.
08:15Maybe it was Jack.
08:17But he did fill in for somebody, and he obviously can do the job.
08:23So good for him.
08:24Like you say, he's paid his dues, and it's good to see somebody's dream come true.
08:28Yeah.
08:29It's always good to welcome somebody else to the Bruins media party, right, Fluto?
08:33Somebody we can hang out with at morning skate and see during the games.
08:36I think Ryan's been around so much, he's going to fit in seamlessly with everybody
08:40else.
08:41And these guys, these radio guys, they all work hard.
08:46There's no way, right?
08:47You look at the speed and how far—some of these arenas, Jill, I think about like Pittsburgh
08:55and New Jersey.
08:56You are 30,000 feet up, and how these guys can keep track of not only the Bruins, but
09:03the opponents.
09:04That's a lot of work, and to have all those numbers and stories and stats and everything
09:09right at the top of the line, that's a very, very hard job.
09:13So good luck to Ryan.
09:14Yeah, absolutely.
09:15I would never do the job, to be honest with you.
09:18I've got to look at the replay three times to make sure I've got the goal right.
09:22And hockey is the toughest one to do, I think, because it is so fast-paced, and you can really
09:26fall behind the action really quickly, and to your point, Fluto, there's older places
09:31like San Jose that always had the media way up high by the ceiling rafters, and now when
09:36the new buildings are built, like what happened with New Jersey, they always kick the media,
09:40the TV, the radio, the writers to this deep, far corner of the building now, so you're
09:44super far away from the ice and everything that's going on.
09:48So it does make it even more difficult to do that job.
09:51So good luck to Ryan.
09:53I think he's a guy that has been around a long time.
09:57I think he's really coveted this job, and he's kind of hoped someday that this would
10:00be his.
10:01And I love somebody that's that determined to see their dream come true, and to be able
10:06to get their dream job, to just hang in there, pay their dues, and then finally they earn
10:10it and they get it.
10:12Congrats to 98.5 for picking the right guy, and congrats to Ryan for getting the gig.
10:18Boston Bruins Foundation, the sort of unofficial start of the hockey season, kicked off in
10:23Plymouth on Thursday.
10:26We're all down there to talk to Jim Montgomery, a few of the players.
10:30One guy that was absent, Jeremy Swayman, not there, not signed, not at the golf tournament.
10:36Jim Montgomery, I think, now officially has the gag order to not talk about contracts
10:41and to talk about Swayman.
10:42When we asked him about it, he kind of said that's somebody else's job to talk about that
10:46and sort of passed on the question.
10:48So we've kind of hit that point where, you know, training camp's around the corner, he's
10:53not signed, and I think things are going to start getting a little more tense.
10:57Fluto, your thoughts on Swayman, where the two sides potentially are, as we hit a natural
11:06deadline of training camp in the beginning of it, where I think everybody hoped he was
11:10going to be signed and be ready to go at the start.
11:13But your sense of kind of where we are at this point and if we could be in for a few
11:18tense moments before he finally does get delivered, because I think at the end of the day, everybody
11:22knows Swayman loves the Bruins.
11:24He loves Boston.
11:25I think he wants to sign.
11:26The Bruins absolutely covet him and want him, but I'm not sure that they're close enough
11:30to feel like a deal's right around the corner.
11:33I wouldn't be surprised if this goes into camp and he's not signed.
11:39I think we've come to know Jeremy as someone who's very sure of himself, very confident,
11:47very secure in what he's done and what he can be.
11:50I think that's the most important thing, is everything points to, OK, this guy is going
11:56to be pretty good.
11:58But that said, has literally never been a number one regular season goalie.
12:03So if you're a club, you can point to that all day and say, OK, you can say you're worth
12:10whatever.
12:12I know Sportsnet had him around 9.5, around McAvoy money.
12:16Well, there's no comparable there, aside from Vasilevsky.
12:21And he had already had, I think it was two years of number one regular season performance.
12:26And I think he's won a Vezina by that point too, right?
12:29I think everybody that's in that 9.5, 10 range has won a Vezina before they've gotten
12:33that kind of money too.
12:36You've already achieved greatness and been a number one goalie when you get that kind
12:39of money.
12:40It's just bad timing for Jeremy.
12:42Let's say this situation is two years down the road from now.
12:46OK, then he gets paid.
12:49But now, with the way the comp system works, it's just I don't see it happening in terms
12:58of a real big number for him.
13:00And then if you say, OK, maybe my turn is going to be coming up with the next contract.
13:06Well, I'm sure the organization doesn't want to sign him for short term either.
13:10So that's where I think it is tricky.
13:14It's a tricky thing.
13:15And that's why I think this is taking time to resolve.
13:20It's just two completely different viewpoints.
13:23And you understand and respect both.
13:26But it's going to come down to the pressure of missing time.
13:31I think that's going to goose this one forward.
13:34Yeah, most definitely.
13:36And you know, Fluto, I think the reason that we hear he wants McAvoy money so much, and
13:42you hear McAvoy mentioned in the $9.5 million, is because there is no goalie he can say,
13:46I want that money and not look like he's really reaching for something.
13:49You know, there's no comparable goalie to where he is, where he can say, I want Vasilevsky
13:54money.
13:55And people don't look at him like you've never been a number one.
13:57You've never won a Vesna.
13:58Like, what have you done that Vasilevsky did before he signed that contract where you should
14:02be getting, you know, that kind of money?
14:04And I guess that's why you hear them saying he wants the McAvoy deal.
14:08But you can't.
14:09That's not how negotiations work.
14:10You can't say I want this defenseman's money when you're a goalie.
14:13That's just not how these negotiations work.
14:17Steve, your sense of where things are right now, Swayman's worth and kind of where we
14:22sit as, you know, training camp is next week and things I think are going to start hitting
14:28ahead here.
14:29Yeah.
14:30I think the spinning checklist guys had a Bruins offer, kind of a bridge offer, four
14:36years of 6.2.
14:38And if that was an eight year deal, that would be low ball.
14:41But considering this would drop them off into UFA land when he was 29 years old, I think
14:50that would be not a bad compromise.
14:53You know, like Ludo says, he's in that weird, that weird spot where, you know, I think everybody
14:59knows he's going to be a good number one goalie, maybe even a great one.
15:03Who knows?
15:04We'll see.
15:05But he's going to be good.
15:06But he hasn't proven it yet.
15:07You know, he's the most games he's played is 44 games last year and you do have to see
15:14it.
15:15But I do think that the Bruins will have to, you know, take a leap of faith, you know,
15:25in some nature.
15:26But yeah, it's, you know, I have confidence in the kid that he's going to be really good.
15:31You know, I don't know if you guys saw the comments from Drew Camesso yesterday.
15:37He worked out with Swayman in the offseason, you know, here and there.
15:42He just absolutely raved about his focus.
15:45You know, they would work out at B.C. at 6.45 a.m. and he was just amazed at how focused
15:50he was, how prepared he was when he showed up at the rink every day.
15:54I have very little doubt that this guy is going to be a really good goalie.
15:59So, you know, where they land, I don't know.
16:01But the Bruins have a good goalie.
16:04How much they're willing to pay for it, you know, we'll see.
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17:17Yeah.
17:18And like what you're talking about, Steve, the work that Swaman has put in, that is part
17:23of the reason he believes that he's worth the money that he's asking for.
17:26And I agree on that level.
17:28He has earned it and deserves it because of the work that he's put in.
17:31He just hasn't translated into him being able to do it on the ice.
17:35And a lot of that has to do with Almark being here and him having been forced to split time
17:39with him as he was developing over the last three or four years.
17:43But like last year, he spent every day during the summer pretty much, weekday anyway, at
17:48Warrior most days.
17:49And he was working out at an elite level and wanted to be at that level.
17:53And I think he put in the work to get to that level and he played that way last year.
17:56It was a breakout year in a lot of ways for him last year with his playoff performance,
18:02with him being an all-star.
18:04But you always go back to that he hasn't played more than 44 games.
18:07He hasn't had that full number one workload, that mental and physical test of him being
18:12able to maintain performance even when everything is on his shoulders and he doesn't have a
18:16guy that won a Vezina trophy as his partner next to him.
18:20That's like a whole different level once you get to that point.
18:23But I understand why he's determined to get that money because he has the last few years
18:29put in the work.
18:31The first time I saw him in training camp when he first came in, I just noticed him
18:36as a goalie.
18:37And when I'm watching the goalies and drills in training camp, I'm usually not noticing
18:40anything about them.
18:41They all seem interchangeable to me.
18:42Fluto, maybe you can tell them apart a lot more because you watched a lot more goaltending
18:46because you have two boys that are goalies and you can see major differences.
18:49But for me, his technique, his athleticism, all the stuff he brought to the table, I think
18:55it really made him stand out.
18:57And at that point, you said the Bruins are onto something here.
19:00And I think you continue to believe that as he's continued to perform.
19:04And I don't think the bridge deal thing is the worst idea in the world.
19:08Yes, the Bruins are probably going to have to end up paying even more if they go three
19:12or four years on a contract and he's a UFA at the end of all that and he performs well.
19:17It's going to hurt them on the back end if they go that route.
19:20But I think, let's say they up it to four years and seven million a year, like 28 somewhere
19:25in there.
19:27Something like that, I feel like should be able to satisfy both sides where he's making
19:31really good money.
19:32And he's probably setting the bar for guys in his position where the comparables to him
19:37are now going to be making a lot more money because he got that contract and he's setting
19:41himself up for as long as he's betting on himself and he's performing, he's going to
19:45get major money at the end of the four years on the other side of the rainbow.
19:48Fluto, do you think a bridge deal is something that we do end up seeing in this case?
19:53Because like you said, and I think we all agree, this is a tough negotiation.
19:57There's a lot of ins and outs here and it's not perfect timing for either side.
20:01And I think they're going to have to come up with something a little more unique to
20:05come to an agreement when push comes to shove.
20:07Yes.
20:08I think it's, where do these things usually end up?
20:12Somewhere in the middle.
20:13Because he's not going to get eight year term.
20:17It's just not the right time.
20:18And it's not going to be a short term deal.
20:20Just because that wouldn't make much sense either.
20:23So yeah, probably four or five years, seven.
20:28That's probably the, I'm sure that's more than the Bruins would want to pay in terms
20:33of the market.
20:34But you're going to have to just because, okay, we can sit here all you want.
20:38And I'm going to say that when he gets signed, I think there's going to be a dip in performance
20:43early from Jeremy, just because it was such an ideal situation for him these last three
20:48years to not have the physical and mental stress of having Linus go every other night.
20:54I think that was so good for both of them.
20:57I think we'll see the same thing with Linus up there.
21:00I don't think he'll be as good early as these.
21:02But once they get used to being more number one, I think they'll settle in.
21:07But I think it's going to take time for Jeremy at the start once he's signed.
21:10But yeah, ultimately compromise from both.
21:14That's how usually these things get done, especially when there's so few comps on the
21:19market.
21:20I agree.
21:21Another thing, when you're projecting down the road, the Bruins have put together what
21:25could be a very, very good defense core, as long as it comes together.
21:30That will translate into really good numbers for Jeremy Swayman eventually.
21:35So there's something, if he plays behind this decoy for four years and he's got a 9.26 percentage
21:42over the course of that time and goals against around 2, he could really cash in if he's
21:52going for a four-year deal.
21:54No, I agree.
21:55He bets on himself and he's on a really good playoff team.
21:58And if he continues to play in the playoffs like he did last spring, and he does that
22:04after he's pretty good during the regular season, good to great, he's going to get just
22:08a Brinks truck backed up to his house.
22:10As a playoff goalie that can play well in the playoffs and maintain performance for
22:14like 60 games during the regular season, 50 to 55 to 60, you're going to get top of the
22:19line money.
22:20And he'll be at a perfect time when the salary cap is going up and up and all these things
22:24are happening.
22:25And I think he really could cash in if he does some kind of bridge deal.
22:30But still, throw him the bone of him setting the market for guys in his position where
22:36he gets the most you've ever gotten for somebody in that.
22:39Just a few years ago, Sarros, before he signed the deal he has now, he was five years, $15
22:44million.
22:45He was very similar to where Swayman is right now in terms of service numbers put up, like
22:51all that stuff.
22:52He's a comparable, I think, his last contract, not this one he just signed.
22:56So if you give him significantly more than that, I think that's a win for all the goalies.
22:59And what Swayman was sort of talking about of not taking less to make sure he does the
23:04goalies of the future a favor with the contract that he takes and all the excellent NHLPA talk
23:09that he gave in that podcast interview.
23:11But I also agree, though, Fluto, I think they're going to struggle.
23:15Life posts a goalie hug for both Omar and Swayman.
23:18I do think there's going to be an adjustment period for both of them, there's no question
23:20about it.
23:22We do have training camp starting next week.
23:25It's going to be, I believe it's Wednesday, they're going to do the testing and some of
23:29the medical stuff and the annual pull-up thing that Zidane O'Chara was always a master at
23:34back in the day.
23:35And usually set the tone for everybody else and then we'll get right into training camp
23:39towards the end of the week.
23:40Steve, a thing or two that you're sort of curious about or what you're really going
23:44to be keying in on as we get going with training camp practices in the preseason?
23:48Yeah, well, obviously there's the second-line leveling competition.
23:55It's pretty clear that they really want Lysel to win that job and to be able to get second-line
24:02work on an entry-level contract, that would be very helpful for them.
24:07A couple of other things, how have these surgeries affected Brad Marshan?
24:15He's 36 now, is he still a top-six guy really on the championship team?
24:24At times he showed last year that he was, and he had ups and downs during the season,
24:29a long cold stretch.
24:32One of my favorite players to cover, ultra-competitive, and he will go down with a fight, but he's
24:40getting up there.
24:41So it'll be interesting to see how he comes out of this, he may miss the first day or
24:48two of training camp, but he should be ready for the first game, but he needs to catch
24:53up on his conditioning.
24:56So that's an issue to keep an eye on.
25:00The other one is, how do these defense peers come together?
25:05We're all assuming that Zdorov is going to be matched with McAvoy, and I'm guessing that's
25:12the way it'll probably go, but you don't know until you get in.
25:15I remember a few years ago, we all thought Taylor Hall was going to play with David Critchie
25:19and David Pasternak, and it just didn't work out that way.
25:23The team was better for it, that Hall played on the third line.
25:28So there's a couple of things for you.
25:30Yeah, no doubt.
25:31I think the Marcian one, that just was like a lightning bolt, when he says, oh, by the
25:36way, I had three surgeries in the summer, and I haven't been able to skate or work out
25:40at all.
25:41That was kind of stunning, when he mentioned that, and he's a guy that, whenever I've talked
25:47to Bruins trainers, Bruins staff, he's a guy that after the playoffs are over, he's back
25:52at Warrior skating and working out within days, usually after the season is over, and
25:56he's a guy that's in there quite a bit, and he's always been somebody that is very active
26:01in the summertime as far as skating, working out, keeping his conditioning, and working
26:06towards the following season.
26:08So I think missing a huge chunk of the summer because of the surgeries that he had, I think
26:12that could have an effect on him.
26:14And certainly, I think the way that he plays, the age that he is, the mileage that are on
26:20the tires, I'm with you, I love him as a player, and a person, and a competitor, and
26:24I think he's been a ton of fun to watch, and he's still very, very good, but I think as
26:29he's hitting that age, where I think there are going to be peaks and valleys consistency-wise
26:33during the regular season, because it's such a long, rigorous season, and it's so difficult.
26:38So I think watching him closely in preseason, and then during the regular season, I think
26:43is something that you're going to have to do based on what happened this summer.
26:48Fluto, any things that you're really keying on in this training camp and preseason as
26:53we move into it, you know, things that you're curious about, or what you're going to be
26:57watching closely?
26:58I'll be watching Patra, I think that's an interesting one in terms of, okay, first,
27:05the player himself, is he going to be 100% following major surgery?
27:11And what is ultimately best for the kid and for the team?
27:16As good as he was in camp last year, and he was good at the start, we've never really
27:21seen him be like a noticeable offensive NHL presence, and even when he went to juniors
27:30last year, he was banged up, obviously, with the shoulder, and he wasn't dominant then
27:37against and with teenagers.
27:40So would it be best for his confidence and for his production to just be, okay, here's
27:4515 games down pro, go be every situation's player, then I think there's nothing wrong
27:54with that for him and for the team, but there's this interesting trickle down, okay, then
27:59what happens?
28:00Is Morgan Gieke your third line center behind Lindholm and Coyle, do they do something with
28:05Zaka again and put him and Coyle as 2 and 2A behind Lindholm, rather than have him left
28:14wing?
28:15Could this be Tyler Johnson, does this open the door for him?
28:20So there's different levels to that one, depending on how, and if Matt tears it up, then maybe
28:29it's just no discussion and he'd be a good third line center.
28:33The other one I'm interested in is Hampus Lindholm.
28:36Last year, there was a whole lot of red flags with that guy, and that age, I think he's
28:4230 now, big guy.
28:44He took a lot of bad penalties last year.
28:47It was a completely different player last year versus two years ago.
28:53So can he stop that now and kind of refire, or is this the start of something?
29:01Because that's a lot of time left, and we saw two years ago when Charlie wasn't available
29:05at the start.
29:06He was so good, so good in terms of three-zone play.
29:10So if he can get back to some degree of that, that would be terrific for that defense.
29:17But if it's more of last year, then you're like, oh man, this is the start of a concerning
29:27slide for Hampus.
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30:48Yeah, and he's certainly at that age where you start to get concerned, and he's another
30:52one that's, you know, logged a lot of hard, heavy minutes over the years.
30:56And maybe he's able to build off, you know, making that play in game seven to Pasternak
31:01and sort of, you know, turning things around a little bit there, and maybe that was a motivator
31:05to get him sort of back to where he needs to be if he's able to do it going into this
31:10season.
31:11But that is a huge key, there's no question about it, because they're expecting him to
31:13play big minutes and a huge role.
31:17The Patra one, I 100% agree.
31:20It's funny how, like, Bruins fans in particular, I think, are taking it as a foregone conclusion
31:24that he's a third-line center on this team.
31:26And I really think it's, you know, far from it until he shows that he would be able to
31:31do that, handle that kind of duty, and, you know, it being good for his development.
31:36I think the best thing for his development may be going down to the AHL for a while to
31:40start the year and sort of building back up to being that kind of player.
31:44And that would leave the Bruins maybe with a chance to put together, let's say, like
31:49a Trent Frederick, Morgan Geeky, Justin Brezow third line that would be a huge, heavy, physical
31:56puck possession, you know, really lean on the other team sort of line that you could
32:00do a lot of interesting things with.
32:02I thought it was interesting that Jim Montgomery the other day, when we were asking him about,
32:06you know, getting bigger, was talking about, like, creating more offense down low, and
32:10that that's something that they were looking to do.
32:12And that's the kind of line where you might be able to get some of that if you have those
32:15players playing together.
32:17There is another interesting one, as far as the goaltending goes, Eunice Corposalo, obviously
32:24he's, you know, played almost 300 games.
32:27He's established himself in the NHL.
32:30You know, he's played for mostly bad teams.
32:32So that's a part of the factor with him, but he's obviously an NHL caliber and quality
32:36goaltender.
32:37And, you know, he's got a lot of term and a lot of money on his contract after the Linus
32:40Olmark deal.
32:42And I think you would pencil him in most likely as the backup to Jeremy Swayman.
32:47But, you know, where does that leave Brandon Bussey, who, you know, is going to have to
32:50go through waivers now, and do they risk losing him if there's a team out there that really
32:56needs goaltending at the beginning of the season, if push comes to shove, and is there
33:01any way that maybe you keep Bussey and put Corposalo down there, especially if Bussey
33:05plays out of his mind in training camp, but Corposalo is simply okay.
33:09I'm going to be really interested to see how that, you know, whole thing plays out, because
33:12I think Bussey's at a real interesting point in his career, Fluto, where he's, I'm sure,
33:17waiting for that NHL shot.
33:1926 years old, and again, cheap, right?
33:24And so that works against the Bruins in one way, in the sense that he's not going to clear
33:30waivers if there's going to be a line of teams waiting to take that on.
33:35So, and on the flip side, Corposalo, what is his AAV now, is that three after retention,
33:41something like that?
33:42Nobody's going to take that.
33:43So, and we saw a couple of years ago, right, like, it took a while for a goalie, Bob, to
33:49get Linus to the point where he was, he was a good NHL goalie.
33:54So maybe, maybe that's, that could be in Jonas's future in terms of needing time with the coaches
34:01here to get straightened out.
34:04Granted, it's just regular preseason, pre-camp practice, but like, I'm watching the guy,
34:12there's still a lot of rebounds coming off Corposalo, and he's super fast, he's athletic,
34:17but like, I think it's going to take time for him to build up versus Bussey.
34:22He's huge, six, five, he just stands there, and it's amazing to watch, just, he goes down
34:26and he's just, he filled up so much of the net.
34:29So I don't know, the contracts of both guys is going to be a factor in terms of who is
34:38Jeremy's backup.
34:39I would not be surprised if Jonas goes down.
34:42No, and Steve, like Mugenel was even saying it the other day, like, singled out Bussey
34:47is looking really good, like, in great shape, like, you know, all that stuff, like, he's
34:52ready to win a job, like, he's going to show up in camp with that kind of mindset.
34:56Yeah, even if it's 50-50, if they play the exact same, Pluto just, you know, explained
35:03the contract situation, nobody's picking up Corposalo, whereas Bussey probably will get
35:08snatched up.
35:10So that's, you know, that's, you know, a check mark in Bussey's favor.
35:14I thought he's been very good in preseason last year.
35:21You know, they signed him, the day they made the trade, they signed him for the, you know,
35:27the short money extension.
35:28I thought, okay, they're making a move here, he's going to be the guy, and a couple hours
35:33later they trade for Corposalo in the leanest deal.
35:38So it's kind of a curious situation.
35:41I'm sure, you know, they had to take Corposalo back to get that first-round draft pick.
35:46But it's, it's going to, that's going to be an interesting competition.
35:51You're right, Joe.
35:52Yeah, most definitely.
35:53And I think the Bruins would gladly let anybody except Junius Corposalo and Wavers, if they
35:58were willing to take on that contract.
35:59In a perfect world, I think the Bruins would have Corposalo sort of, like, regain a lot
36:05of his value by playing well as the backup, and then flip him at some point.
36:09So they're not, you know, I think it's four years that he has come in at that cap figure.
36:14So they would love, I think, at some point for somebody to take him off their hands.
36:18And who knows, maybe, maybe they both start in Boston, depending on how the waiver negotiations
36:24go.
36:25I could, Fluto right now would love three goalies in Boston to start the season.
36:28I can say that with assurance.
36:30I'm thinking there could be two.
36:32A lot of goalie talk.
36:33All right, Fluto, Steve, thank you very much for joining us.
36:37Everybody else out there, thanks for listening.
36:39We'll see you at the ring.