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00:00:00We're a day late because we're going to be talking Forbidden Love and The Other Way tonight.
00:00:05Normally on Mondays, but there was a lot of craziness that happened.
00:00:08DeeDee and Cara both had some weird issues where they couldn't join us last night.
00:00:15And I was like, well, I don't want to do it without them.
00:00:17So and tonight, Cara's having some issues at work and she can't join us.
00:00:21Again tonight, so I don't know who specifically does not want us to do amazing and they don't want to see us win.
00:00:27But we're going to keep pushing through.
00:00:29Hi, Kelly.
00:00:30Hi, Indigo.
00:00:32Hi, Tricia.
00:00:34Hi, everybody.
00:00:36We miss you, Cara.
00:00:37We hope everything at work is situated and you got to come back.
00:00:42Hi, Jax.
00:00:43Hi, everybody.
00:00:44So, yeah, we're going to get into this.
00:00:46So, yeah, I don't know who doesn't want us to all get together.
00:00:49Right.
00:00:50I don't know what's going on.
00:00:53How's everybody doing?
00:00:55I hope everyone's doing good.
00:00:57Right.
00:00:58Like the ironic part is it's thundering outside.
00:01:02and I think whatever you got yesterday, it's making its way into.
00:01:07It's still here.
00:01:08Oh, really?
00:01:09Yeah.
00:01:10It's really bad.
00:01:11So.
00:01:12Oh, no.
00:01:13Maybe my internet will hold up and I don't disappear.
00:01:17Oh, my God.
00:01:18Well, luckily, these are the shorter shows.
00:01:21So I think should we keep going?
00:01:24I don't know.
00:01:26It's a good time.
00:01:28I feel like we're going to get into it.
00:01:30I think, should we do the other way first?
00:01:32I feel like there's more stuff to talk about.
00:01:34Yeah.
00:01:34For the other way.
00:01:35So, okay, let me get my notes, right?
00:01:38Let me get my notes,
00:01:39because there was some stuff that I wanted to discuss.
00:01:41And so Corona got to Iceland, right?
00:01:45And, you know, remember we did some research
00:01:47and there really is like a very small amount
00:01:49of black people in Iceland.
00:01:51I think we talked about this before.
00:01:53And Inky did not prepare a place for her.
00:01:57Like she didn't have anywhere to put her clothes.
00:02:00And it kind of seems like he's like,
00:02:02eh, into this relationship.
00:02:03Do you get that vibe?
00:02:04Like he's kind of happy that his booty call is now in house,
00:02:08but he's not like really into her, you know?
00:02:11Like, or, cause first of all,
00:02:13she moved to Iceland for a man
00:02:15who hasn't proposed to her, right?
00:02:17Like, and I'm not saying that women are validated
00:02:20by a man proposing to them,
00:02:22but for you to give up your whole life
00:02:24to move to Iceland for a guy who didn't,
00:02:28and even say he wanted to marry you,
00:02:30like that's insanity for me.
00:02:32And I want better for her, right?
00:02:34Like I know that she's in love,
00:02:36but I would need to know that that person is in love with me
00:02:39before I pack up all my stuff and move across the world.
00:02:42And did you notice she brought a lot of luggage?
00:02:45So remember we were, when we watched the other way,
00:02:47we kind of gauge how long the person is going to stay
00:02:50in that country based on how much luggage they have.
00:02:53Like, remember she kind of only had like three bags.
00:02:56Corona had like 10 bags of luggage.
00:02:58I think she really, in her mind,
00:02:59thought that she was going to stay in Iceland
00:03:01this whole time, right?
00:03:03Yeah.
00:03:04I mean, first of all, can we talk about the shoes?
00:03:07I mean, I like her style.
00:03:09She's got a different style, but her shoes.
00:03:12Oh my gosh.
00:03:14Wait, you mean the boots?
00:03:15The boots, right?
00:03:16Yes, her boots, yes.
00:03:18Can we talk about the boots?
00:03:20Don't worry, I'm from, in Louisiana,
00:03:24I was raised like in a really religious family,
00:03:26but like those were called street walkers,
00:03:28like street walker boots.
00:03:30Yeah, but it made her look like a princess vampire
00:03:34or a vampire princess.
00:03:36Yeah, I'm definitely not as close minded
00:03:40as when I was growing up.
00:03:41I know that, you know, the type of shoes you wear
00:03:43don't make you a street walker.
00:03:45I like, see, the thing is she reminded me a lot of Ashley
00:03:50from Happily Ever After,
00:03:52but I feel like she's nothing like Ashley.
00:03:54I actually like her, you know,
00:03:56and you know, I can't stand Ashley specifically
00:03:59like as a person, like her personality,
00:04:02I just don't get it.
00:04:02But like, I feel like Corona's a nice,
00:04:04like good, fun, bubbly person, right?
00:04:07And you know, I feel like her style
00:04:09is really quirky and different.
00:04:11And I can see how she ended up in Iceland
00:04:14chasing after some guy named Inky,
00:04:16like that all fits into her personality.
00:04:19I know, well, you know, the story went out already.
00:04:22I don't know if y'all care
00:04:23or if you want me to not say it
00:04:25of what happened with their relationship.
00:04:27That already went out last week.
00:04:29Did you see that?
00:04:31No, I haven't seen it.
00:04:32I haven't seen it yet.
00:04:33So don't pull it for me.
00:04:36We won't talk about it, but it was,
00:04:38wait, George, tell us how you really,
00:04:41no, no, that isn't how I really feel.
00:04:42We won't talk about what happened though.
00:04:43It was a publication in Iceland
00:04:46that covered their relationship
00:04:47and it told what happened.
00:04:50But, you know, if you want to know specifically,
00:04:52send me a DM and I'll tell you,
00:04:54and I'll try to find the link to it.
00:04:55Shaboodie posted it.
00:04:56You know, he's like the king of finding out
00:04:59any type of information that you want to know
00:05:01that's going to spoil the whole season.
00:05:03That's where you go.
00:05:04Go to his page and he's going to ruin the whole,
00:05:07he's already posted stuff about Before the 90 Days,
00:05:10which premieres in September.
00:05:12And he's already posted something.
00:05:14I'm like, jeez, can we like at least-
00:05:16Shaboodie is wrong for that.
00:05:18Shaboodie is wrong for that.
00:05:19He's already posting stuff for that.
00:05:21And I'm like, I don't even know the couples yet.
00:05:24So like, don't ruin it already.
00:05:26Like he, cause he already, you know,
00:05:28he posted the stuff for Statler.
00:05:30So we knew the outcome of Statler
00:05:32before the whole thing aired.
00:05:34Also, Statler wasn't on this episode.
00:05:36So I felt cheated.
00:05:38Did you feel cheated?
00:05:39I felt really cheated on this episode,
00:05:40but Josh and Lily were on this episode
00:05:43and they went to do a massage,
00:05:48which is a very traditional thing in China.
00:05:50You know, she wanted to take him
00:05:52to have a traditional Chinese massage,
00:05:55which in my opinion, I get it.
00:05:57When someone comes to see you from another country,
00:05:59even from another state, right?
00:06:01Like when you come to see me here in Florida,
00:06:03I like to take you and take you around
00:06:04to do Florida stuff, right?
00:06:06Like, I feel like it's part of the hospitality, right?
00:06:09So if you come visit me,
00:06:11like my bank princess, when I lived in Ohio,
00:06:12if you would have came to visit me in Ohio,
00:06:14I would have taken you to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
00:06:17I would have taken you downtown.
00:06:19We have a beach there.
00:06:20I said, we, they have a beach there.
00:06:21So I would have taken you to the beach.
00:06:22It smells bad, but it's still a beach.
00:06:24So I would have taken you to like all that stuff.
00:06:26So I understand Lily trying to get him acquainted
00:06:31and acclimated to everything,
00:06:32but she's doing like spending money
00:06:35because she keeps saying like, oh, I'm broke.
00:06:36I don't have any money.
00:06:37But then, you know, broke people don't go and get massages.
00:06:41You know, broke people don't go wedding dress shopping
00:06:44and spending all this money
00:06:45and trying to spend 20, 30 grand on a wedding
00:06:49that Josh actually said in this episode,
00:06:51he doesn't even want.
00:06:53He, she disagrees.
00:06:55She remembers him saying that this was what he wanted.
00:06:58He wanted a Chinese wedding.
00:06:59He said that he doesn't care either way.
00:07:02So I think it's something that she's more,
00:07:05I think it's more of a keeping up of appearances for Lily.
00:07:08I think Lily and her community
00:07:10is known as somebody with money
00:07:12and anything that she does, you know,
00:07:14it's going to draw a crowd and it's going to draw attention
00:07:16as a female business owner with a house, with an elevator.
00:07:20You know, you're going to expect a decent ceremony.
00:07:23And I think that she's going to make herself broke
00:07:26doing that.
00:07:26For 30 people, what kind of money do you think,
00:07:31I mean, which I know China is,
00:07:33I mean, the money's different over there,
00:07:35but I mean, is it really going to be that expensive?
00:07:39I mean, like for 30 people,
00:07:41I mean, 30 people isn't a lot of people,
00:07:43not for a wedding anyway.
00:07:45Well, no, in America, 30 people,
00:07:48like you could pay for that without even financing it
00:07:51or charging like that.
00:07:5330 people is like basically the justice of the peace, right?
00:07:56Like 30 people, you could just pay like hell,
00:07:59you could give a church 500 bucks to use the church
00:08:02and then your cousin can cater it
00:08:04and you literally can get the whole thing done
00:08:06for like a thousand dollars.
00:08:07Like 30 people is like nothing, you know,
00:08:10depending on what you want done, right?
00:08:12I know people who've gotten married and spent $25,000
00:08:16and I'm still to this day trying to figure out
00:08:18where the money went, because I didn't see it.
00:08:20They just wasted money.
00:08:21And I feel like she's, oh, somebody said broke folks
00:08:25don't sink half a million dollars into their homes.
00:08:27Right, Donna, exactly.
00:08:28She's, I think her definition of broke,
00:08:30and again, in China, it might mean something different,
00:08:34right, because you remember I told y'all this last week,
00:08:36my definition of broke isn't really broke.
00:08:38I have money, I just don't feel comfortable spending any.
00:08:41No, my definition of broke is I'm going to the kiosk machine
00:08:45in Walmart with my change, trying to save.
00:08:47See, see, I think that's the miscommunication.
00:08:52I think Lily is like, oh, I only have like $40,000 left
00:08:56of like the half a million, you know,
00:08:58that she sank into the house.
00:08:59So she's like, well, I'm broke, 40,000 is not enough.
00:09:02And you know, I get that, I'm the same way.
00:09:04I'm like, oh, I don't have enough money
00:09:06to satisfy my comfort level to go on a trip, you know?
00:09:10So I'm not gonna do that.
00:09:11So I totally get that.
00:09:12I think that she's definitely not broke,
00:09:15but I'm wondering how long is she gonna be attracted
00:09:18to a man who doesn't provide anything for her?
00:09:22You know, because, you know, in Chinese culture,
00:09:25the man is supposed to go out and work
00:09:27and take care of his whole family.
00:09:28And you know, when you get married,
00:09:30you're all supposed to still live together.
00:09:33And you're supposed to take care of her parents too.
00:09:36You know, like it's a huge responsibility on the man.
00:09:39And he's just gonna be there as, you know,
00:09:41I introduced you to this term last week, right?
00:09:44He's gonna be her kept man, her boy toy, right?
00:09:47He's gonna be this kept man.
00:09:49And women, they don't typically stick with a kept man
00:09:53for that long, like,
00:09:54because your attention span gets really short, you know,
00:09:58when you don't need a man and you just want one.
00:10:01Women tend to, you know,
00:10:02they'll get sick of you pretty quickly, right?
00:10:04And no offense to Josh, Josh seems like a decent guy,
00:10:07but is he kept man material?
00:10:09You know, like, is he what a millionaire woman
00:10:13would want on her shoulder?
00:10:14You're like, that's my question.
00:10:17I don't know, that's a very good question.
00:10:19That is a very good question.
00:10:21Y'all already know, y'all already know what I would say.
00:10:24I don't care who it is.
00:10:25I don't want no kept man,
00:10:27and I ain't gonna be no kept woman, hands down.
00:10:31Right, a nice guy, but nice guys usually aren't kept men.
00:10:34Kept men are usually guys that look like
00:10:36they fell out of a magazine into her car, right?
00:10:41Like, they look a certain way.
00:10:43It's usually, it's just like what arm candy is for a man,
00:10:48but just vice versa.
00:10:49She has arm candy, you know, on her arm,
00:10:52and that's kind of what, you know,
00:10:54a woman who has that much money can do.
00:10:56Why not, right?
00:10:57Like, if you're that much of a boss woman
00:11:00and you have that much money,
00:11:01why not show off, you know,
00:11:03the person that you have?
00:11:04Men do it every day.
00:11:05Like, every time I go online
00:11:06and see these pictures of the celebrity men,
00:11:09there's, what's that guy's name?
00:11:10Robert De Niro.
00:11:11He just had a baby.
00:11:12He's like 80 something with this young, pretty girl,
00:11:15and it's like, they're just showing off.
00:11:17You know, this is how wealthy I am.
00:11:18Look what I can do.
00:11:19Like, look what I can do.
00:11:20I gotta answer Riley.
00:11:22Riley, I'm telling you, you could not handle me, okay?
00:11:25I'm telling you, I am too hot to handle.
00:11:29I am a hot mess.
00:11:30I am a spicy disaster.
00:11:32You couldn't be, you wouldn't be able to handle me.
00:11:34I'm telling you right now.
00:11:36So, wait, Riley said that you would keep him.
00:11:39Okay, you know what?
00:11:41I would love to see Dee Dee with a kept man,
00:11:46because I don't know if Dee Dee
00:11:47would know what to do with him.
00:11:49I feel like you would just be like,
00:11:51get up and go clean something,
00:11:52or get up and go do something.
00:11:53Like, you really wouldn't know what to do with him,
00:11:56and you would probably kick him out, right?
00:11:57I feel like you would probably kick him out.
00:11:59You were like, you haven't even paid any bills.
00:12:01You gotta go.
00:12:02Like, I feel like that's exactly how you would handle that.
00:12:05Gots to go.
00:12:06Well, Donna says that, Donna says that Josh needs
00:12:10to be a 10, not a Nebraska six.
00:12:12A Nebraska six?
00:12:13That's like a LA three.
00:12:15That's low.
00:12:17I mean, again, I don't know how long it's gonna last,
00:12:21and you know, he's given up a lot.
00:12:22He sold his house, and he gave up his job,
00:12:26and everybody keeps saying he's a man child.
00:12:28Do you get that vibe from Josh?
00:12:29Do you feel like he's just a grown adult boy?
00:12:32Because he was really excited about China,
00:12:34because he was like, oh my God, it's like in the movies.
00:12:36It's like with my Legos, I get to see all the stuff
00:12:38in China that I saw, you know, in the movies.
00:12:42I mean, he is acting like a kid in a candy store,
00:12:46so I gotta see some more of Josh.
00:12:48I don't know yet.
00:12:49I'm still, my thoughts about him is still up in the air.
00:12:53He seems nice, though.
00:12:55All right, so speaking of the opposite of that,
00:12:57yes, Riley, he plays with Legos.
00:12:59See, you were behind, Riley.
00:13:01You're behind.
00:13:02He is a Lego man.
00:13:03He has drones, remote control cars, remote control boats.
00:13:07Like, he literally plays with toys.
00:13:10You know how the saying is,
00:13:11a woman says she wants a man that plays with her, not toys?
00:13:15He literally plays with toys.
00:13:17Like, he literally was asking her
00:13:19when he first got to China, like,
00:13:21point me in the direction of like a Lego store,
00:13:23or a drone store, or a store that sells toys.
00:13:26That's literally what he was looking for.
00:13:28So that's why I'm wondering, you know,
00:13:30for a Kep man who doesn't even see her as his entertainment,
00:13:34you know, how long is that gonna last?
00:13:35But I wanna get on this Sarper and Shekinah thing,
00:13:38because-
00:13:39Oh God, do we got to?
00:13:41Riley says, I have drones and RC cars.
00:13:44I have drones, I don't have RC cars.
00:13:46So yeah, I don't wanna make it seem like I'm a big kid,
00:13:49but yeah, I have drones that I usually get stuck in trees
00:13:53when I fly them, because I'm not like a pilot.
00:13:55So I buy them periodically,
00:13:57because the trees are usually too tall
00:13:59for me to get them down.
00:14:00Anyway, so Sarper and Shekinah were on this episode,
00:14:04and Sarper's ex-girlfriend, Nora.
00:14:07Okay, so first of all, Sarper and Shekinah posted,
00:14:11remember last season, she got him to post her online
00:14:14as her man, because remember, he refused to do that
00:14:18for like the entire time that they were dating.
00:14:21His defense, I don't want anybody to, you know,
00:14:24hate on our relationship, but in actuality,
00:14:28he was actually hiding her from all of the women
00:14:31that had horrible opinions of him.
00:14:33So backstory, Sarper was a chubby kid in high school.
00:14:38And not only that, that affected him a lot mentally,
00:14:41but the girl that he was dating in high school
00:14:44cheated on him, so now he believes that no woman
00:14:46on this planet can be trusted.
00:14:50He said that his dad told him no woman can ever be trusted.
00:14:53And then the thing is, Shekinah's the first woman
00:14:57that he's ever loved or trusted,
00:14:59or supposedly that's the story he's feeding her.
00:15:02So this woman, Nora, along with lots of other women,
00:15:06has been messaging Shekinah
00:15:08after they went Instagram official.
00:15:10So he's got all these women that all wanna say
00:15:14how much of a bad human being he is, which we know.
00:15:18But my question to you, Dee Dee, is if you are single
00:15:22and you start dating a guy, and it's a new relationship,
00:15:25and y'all post a picture together,
00:15:27and you start getting direct messages
00:15:29from women that dated him in the past,
00:15:31is that information valuable to you,
00:15:33or do you think that since they're exes,
00:15:36exes don't typically have anything positive to say,
00:15:38so you don't wanna hear it?
00:15:40Where would you stand in that situation?
00:15:42I don't give a, I don't care,
00:15:45because I didn't know him in the past.
00:15:47It's none of my business, I don't care.
00:15:49What went on between my partner and their ex,
00:15:52that's none of my business, I don't care.
00:15:55As long as they don't try to break up
00:15:57or interfere in the relationship that I have at the moment,
00:16:02I don't give a crap what they say or think.
00:16:04Because at the end of the day, like you said,
00:16:08even if they did break up on good terms,
00:16:10they're still gonna talk bull crap about him, so.
00:16:14I don't know.
00:16:16I think that I stand by the statement
00:16:18that exes never have anything positive to say about you.
00:16:21I believe that.
00:16:22But say, like say for instance, in Shekinah's case,
00:16:27like five or six or seven women all reached out.
00:16:30Is that strange that the number is high,
00:16:33or it doesn't matter to you?
00:16:34I don't care, it has nothing to do with me.
00:16:37So you really don't wanna hear anything they have to say.
00:16:40So basically, after you and Cara
00:16:42do like an extensive background check on him
00:16:44and everything checks out, you're good.
00:16:46You don't have any, you're not worried
00:16:49about what the other women have to say.
00:16:49No, exactly, because me and Cara
00:16:51then did all the extensive background checks,
00:16:53so why do I need to listen to anything anybody gotta say?
00:16:57I already know what I need to know.
00:16:59I mean, yeah, I think as long as you know
00:17:02he's not an ex-murderer, but it might be interesting
00:17:06to hear what other people thought of him
00:17:09through the relationship.
00:17:10But I think that what you're saying
00:17:12is the information is gonna be tainted
00:17:14because it's an ex, and nobody really ends a relationship
00:17:19on good terms.
00:17:20People say that they do.
00:17:22There's always a little bit of animosity, right?
00:17:24Because usually when a breakup happens,
00:17:26it's usually not, what's that word where both people agree?
00:17:31I can't remember what it is.
00:17:32An undeclared agreement?
00:17:32Yeah, like it's usually one person feels one way
00:17:36and another person doesn't.
00:17:37That's usually how, you know,
00:17:39because usually in divorce too,
00:17:40they're not gonna both say, okay, let's get divorced,
00:17:43and then everybody signs the paper and everyone's happy.
00:17:45There's usually a bitter party
00:17:47and a not so bitter party
00:17:48who just wants to rid that person from their life.
00:17:50So I think in your opinion is pretty accurate though,
00:17:54because when, if you were to talk to one of my exes,
00:17:57they'll probably say something negative about me.
00:17:59And I know that I'm not like mean or abusive or anything,
00:18:02but as an ex, you know,
00:18:05you're always gonna think of the negative stuff
00:18:07because first of all, you've moved on,
00:18:09you're in a new relationship and you're happy.
00:18:11So you're looking back at a time
00:18:13where you were not happy
00:18:15and you wanna express that into words to somebody.
00:18:18And there's also that little ounce of revenge
00:18:21because now you're talking to your ex's new person
00:18:24and you get to get a little bit of revenge.
00:18:27Hey, Tracy, you get to have a little revenge
00:18:30on them after the fact.
00:18:32And I think that's sometimes why people ignore
00:18:36these types of messages because it's like,
00:18:39well, why do you wanna ruin his relationship now?
00:18:42You know, you're moved on, you should be happy.
00:18:44But I mean, there are a few cases
00:18:46where I would want people to be warned.
00:18:48Like if the person was like physically abusive to them,
00:18:52it is okay for you, but you know,
00:18:54that's a huge accusation without some way to prove, right?
00:18:58Cause you could easily say they were physically abusive,
00:19:01but if they were never arrested,
00:19:02is it worthy or you just want them to go to hell?
00:19:05You know, like-
00:19:07If you're gonna come to me
00:19:08and you're gonna tell me something about anybody,
00:19:10even if it's a friend of mine,
00:19:12if you're gonna come with the negative stuff,
00:19:14you better bring receipts because I know how people talk.
00:19:17I'm not gonna listen to nothing anybody has to say.
00:19:21So if you're coming to me and you're telling me,
00:19:22oh, don't hang out with them or don't be with them
00:19:24because they're abusive or they this or they that,
00:19:27bring receipts, that's all I gotta say
00:19:30because I know how people talk.
00:19:32Yeah, Riley said that his ex would call him
00:19:35Captain Killamood.
00:19:36What is a Captain Killamood?
00:19:38Is that like somebody who just like goes
00:19:40into somebody's happy party and makes it dull?
00:19:44Like what is a Killamood?
00:19:45How do you kill the mood all the time?
00:19:48Like Riley, what are you doing?
00:19:50What's your deal?
00:19:52Yeah, Riley, you need to tell me what you're talking about.
00:19:55Talk to us, Riley.
00:19:57Why are you killing the mood?
00:19:59I mean, but I think it's also easier to fall into this
00:20:02because we know that Sarper
00:20:06is not the most decent person ever.
00:20:09So it's easier, it's like when you have a negative opinion
00:20:12of someone, like he's come on the show
00:20:14and told us he slept with 2,500 women.
00:20:16He doesn't care about these women.
00:20:17He doesn't even know their names.
00:20:19He doesn't care about treating women well
00:20:23because he can't trust women.
00:20:24He's never loved women.
00:20:25They've just been an object to him.
00:20:26So when you hear somebody say something about him,
00:20:29it's easy for you to lean in that direction
00:20:31because you're, especially my opinion of him
00:20:34is already in that direction.
00:20:36I just don't, I don't agree with the way
00:20:37he treats women in general.
00:20:38And the way his eyes got really, really big
00:20:42when she kind of said the ex's name.
00:20:44She said, I talked to your ex, Nora,
00:20:46and he went into this state of panic.
00:20:49I was like that, if that's not a look of guilt,
00:20:51I don't know what is, right?
00:20:53Like that was the most guiltiest look, right?
00:20:55Like have you ever walked in the house
00:20:57and if you have a cat or a dog
00:20:58and you catch them in the act
00:21:00destroying something in your house
00:21:01and then they give you that look,
00:21:03like, well, you caught me.
00:21:04That was the look.
00:21:05I was like, he just looked like, oh shit.
00:21:08He looked like a dick.
00:21:08He didn't have locks.
00:21:10Yeah, yeah, because I was like,
00:21:12honestly, if you didn't do anything wrong,
00:21:14she can go and talk to anybody, right?
00:21:16I mean, you could be worried
00:21:18because it's like we said, it's an ex
00:21:20and she might just make a whole bunch of stuff up about you.
00:21:22But if y'all's relationship is as strong as you say it is,
00:21:26she should be able to see through that, right?
00:21:29So one of the things that Nora said was,
00:21:33he said he loved her.
00:21:34And Sarper said to Shekinah,
00:21:36she was the first woman at 43 years old
00:21:39that he said he loved her too.
00:21:41So I didn't-
00:21:43Okay, I'm gonna stop you there for a second.
00:21:45If Shekinah is as smart as she says she is,
00:21:49what did Sarper tell her
00:21:53that he told her the first time they were together?
00:21:57He told her that he told her,
00:22:00he said that he told her
00:22:03that he loved her just so he could get into her pants.
00:22:06He was looking at her only for a one-night stand.
00:22:10That is exactly what he told her.
00:22:12See, this is why I like having really good co-hosts,
00:22:17female co-hosts, because I forgot all about that.
00:22:19Y'all don't forget nothing.
00:22:20That is exactly what he said
00:22:22when he was telling the story of how they met.
00:22:25Because remember, he said that he was having a threesome
00:22:27with two additional women other than Shekinah that night.
00:22:32And she messaged him or whatever,
00:22:34or he saw her at the bar.
00:22:35I don't remember what it was.
00:22:36And he said, I love you and you're beautiful
00:22:39because he wanted to sleep with her
00:22:40because he knew she was going back to LA.
00:22:43He had no interest.
00:22:44Then the next day, he was in the bed with two other women.
00:22:47She called while he was in the bed with two women,
00:22:51supposedly two women, don't know.
00:22:54She wanted to go over there
00:22:56because she wanted to be with him again.
00:22:59So after he got banging the two women's head
00:23:01up against the headboard,
00:23:03he's gonna turn around and bang her?
00:23:05Like, that is disgusting.
00:23:07Like, that is just-
00:23:09She's still in it.
00:23:10She's still in this.
00:23:11Like, it's the relationship.
00:23:13And if he believes that he is faithful to her,
00:23:15she is stupid.
00:23:18Well, he's trying to make it really believable.
00:23:21Did you hear that he was like naming off like 107 days
00:23:25and 200,000 minutes?
00:23:27And he was like saying how long it's been
00:23:31since he had seen her.
00:23:32And I get it.
00:23:33Counting down days and throwing out numbers
00:23:35can be impressive, you know,
00:23:36to somebody like Shekinah,
00:23:38who is impressed by the fact that he didn't shave his back.
00:23:42That in front of me will get you punched in the face
00:23:44and chopped in the throat, thrown punched.
00:23:47It is not difficult to impress Shekinah.
00:23:51She's very impressed.
00:23:52And I think it has to do with her past.
00:23:54I'm not a doctor, by the way,
00:23:55but I think it has to do with her past relationships.
00:23:58I think she's been treated a certain type of way.
00:24:00So when guys do anything that she even remotely thinks
00:24:04is a sweet, kind gesture,
00:24:07she takes it to a next level.
00:24:08Cause she's like, oh, he's just trying to be sweet.
00:24:10And I was like, is he?
00:24:12He was basically saying, I just,
00:24:14I would let anybody shave my back
00:24:16cause I would be sleeping with everybody.
00:24:18But he's like, since, you know,
00:24:20since we're in a relationship,
00:24:21I'm not being a male whore because I love you.
00:24:24Is that really sweet?
00:24:26You know, like, I don't want,
00:24:28cause it's also making it seem like
00:24:29you should be happy that I'm being faithful to you.
00:24:33And that shouldn't be something that she feels good about
00:24:36because you're doing it.
00:24:37It should be something you want to do
00:24:38because you want to do it, because you love her.
00:24:40You know, like don't make her feel like
00:24:42you're doing her a favor by not sleeping with everyone.
00:24:45Did you catch in the other episode a couple of weeks ago,
00:24:48he said that he slept with his sister-in-law's best friend.
00:24:51And he said that she didn't know.
00:24:52Did you catch that?
00:24:54Cause he was like, I don't want to talk about that.
00:24:56He was like, I've slept with a bunch of her friends,
00:24:59one being her best friend and she doesn't know.
00:25:01So let's keep that quiet.
00:25:02And I was like, that's his own family.
00:25:05Can you imagine what he would do to somebody
00:25:07he's not related to?
00:25:08Like, that's his own family.
00:25:09He's doing things behind his back.
00:25:16You froze there for a second.
00:25:19Oh, oh, I'll be back, I'll be back.
00:25:21But you froze for a second, yeah.
00:25:23So what did you think about the belly dancer
00:25:27that production paid to come and dance on Sarper during that?
00:25:31I thought it was funny.
00:25:33I thought it was funny.
00:25:34Hi, Jemima, hi.
00:25:38Yeah, did you think that that was funny?
00:25:40Cause I was like, there's,
00:25:40of all the people in the restaurant,
00:25:42she refused to go to anyone else.
00:25:46And it was, it was just funny to me.
00:25:48Cause I was like, y'all are really reaching at this point.
00:25:51I know that Shekinah and Sarper are annoying to watch,
00:25:54but y'all are really reaching with this belly dancer.
00:25:56And we had a belly dancer on 90 Day Fiance UK,
00:26:00I think on the first season.
00:26:01And it was, she would go around and dance.
00:26:05And I remember the guy she was dating used to hate it.
00:26:08And I mean, I get it.
00:26:11If you're on a date,
00:26:12you don't want a woman to come and dance
00:26:15on your boyfriend or whatever, or your husband.
00:26:18So I totally understand,
00:26:19but there's no way they picked Sarper
00:26:21out of everybody in that restaurant to harass
00:26:24because she wouldn't leave.
00:26:26And then after she was over by them,
00:26:28she went on stage as though nobody else was there.
00:26:31It was so odd.
00:26:36I lost you again.
00:26:38You're back.
00:26:38Oh, okay.
00:26:40You keep freezing.
00:26:41Is it on your end or my end?
00:26:42It's probably on my end.
00:26:44I don't know.
00:26:45It's, I think it's raining outside.
00:26:48Hmm.
00:26:48I don't know.
00:26:49Well, I thought it was funny
00:26:50because Shekinah was getting jealous.
00:26:54I mean, I thought it was funny.
00:26:56Like, I really did.
00:26:59She deserves it for being, she deserves it.
00:27:05I mean, nobody really feels bad for Shekinah at this point
00:27:09because she knows the red flag.
00:27:12It's kind of like people are looking at it
00:27:14like Angela and Michael, you've known the red flags,
00:27:17you know the issues.
00:27:17He's been honest with you.
00:27:19He told you that he didn't care about women's feelings.
00:27:22He lied to women.
00:27:23He did whatever he could to get them in bed.
00:27:25He doesn't remember their name.
00:27:26He didn't like respect women enough
00:27:28to even write down the names in the book.
00:27:30It was just an ex.
00:27:32Like they had no real feeling or connection.
00:27:37So it's like, if she wants to turn that type of guy
00:27:40into a husband, isn't that the saying,
00:27:43you can't turn a hoe into a housewife?
00:27:44You can't turn a hoe into a house husband either, right?
00:27:47Like he is who he is, right?
00:27:49This man, she is allowing this man
00:27:52to have champagne bottles from exes.
00:27:56She is allowing this man to be sleeping.
00:28:00She's sleeping with this man on the same bed,
00:28:03same mattress, same everything that he has
00:28:06supposedly all these 2,500 women on.
00:28:09She is allowing him to keep exes panties,
00:28:13undergarments, whatever he wants.
00:28:16So yeah, she deserves everything he throws at her.
00:28:21Just saying.
00:28:23I agree.
00:28:24I agree with you 100%.
00:28:25So, oh, so Josh, not Josh, James arrived in Indonesia
00:28:31and shit's about to hit the fan though
00:28:33because for some reason,
00:28:35Natalia won't tell her parents that she's living there.
00:28:38Like she thinks that, hi, Raquel.
00:28:41They think that she's visiting.
00:28:42They also think that Josh is visiting
00:28:44and they're trying to move in.
00:28:45And I'm really worried about them
00:28:47because two unemployed people with no savings
00:28:50are moving to Indonesia
00:28:53and not telling anyone they're moving to Indonesia
00:28:55and they're just hoping that things are gonna work out.
00:28:57It gives me Brandon and Mary vibes.
00:29:01Like it's given me a lot of Brandon and Mary vibes
00:29:03and I'm like, are they gonna just have to post
00:29:04like a GoFundMe and ask people to pay their rent?
00:29:07Yeah, because it seems the parents
00:29:08really don't want them staying there.
00:29:11I mean, the mom said on this episode,
00:29:13she was like, I really want you to stay here forever.
00:29:17And I think all mothers say that.
00:29:18They don't really mean it.
00:29:19But I don't think she wants her to live there forever
00:29:22with her husband.
00:29:23I think that she wants her to-
00:29:24I don't know.
00:29:25I would be one happy mama if my babies moved back home, so.
00:29:28With their husband too?
00:29:30Like, would you be cool with that?
00:29:31Bring everybody.
00:29:32I would be one happy mama.
00:29:35Okay.
00:29:36I would love there.
00:29:37I love my babies, so.
00:29:38They always gonna be my babies.
00:29:41How far away do they live right now?
00:29:44One lives like five minutes away
00:29:46and the other one lives about an hour and a half away.
00:29:49Yeah, yeah.
00:29:51That's close.
00:29:52I live, my mom is like 12, 13 hours from me.
00:29:57She's in Louisiana.
00:29:58Yeah, and when I was in Ohio, it was worse than that.
00:30:01It was like 18 hours.
00:30:03So yeah.
00:30:04My babies can come home anytime they want to.
00:30:08Well, let's hope that it works that way for Natalia
00:30:11because they don't got no money
00:30:12and they don't got nowhere to stay.
00:30:13So I saw a scene where James saw
00:30:17where they were gonna be staying
00:30:18and it was like a box.
00:30:19It was a room.
00:30:20It's like a box and he referred to it as a jail cell.
00:30:22I think jail cells are smaller than that.
00:30:24But basically he said it was unfinished.
00:30:28It was just like concrete and wall.
00:30:30And it wasn't what he's used to
00:30:35because he lived in Maine and he had a good job
00:30:38and he was in charge of his own finances and his own life
00:30:41and he made those decisions.
00:30:42So yeah, it's not gonna be anything what he expects
00:30:46because you have to remember in Indonesia,
00:30:47their standard of living is different.
00:30:50We learned this about India too
00:30:52because we used to be talking about this
00:30:53on the podcast as well.
00:30:55Their houses and the standard of living
00:30:57is so much different.
00:30:59What they consider clean or beautiful or new,
00:31:02we would consider outdated and we would call it a teardown.
00:31:06Now it's funny because in America,
00:31:07we'll look at a perfectly decent house
00:31:10and we like, oh, that's a teardown.
00:31:11We would tear that down and start over.
00:31:12But like in other countries,
00:31:14that is a perfectly livable house
00:31:16that they will be living in for like 20 years.
00:31:18But like in America, our standard is so much different.
00:31:21We look at a house that was built in 1999
00:31:24and we're like, that's a teardown.
00:31:26I'm not living in that.
00:31:27I'll tear it down and build something decent over it.
00:31:29But I think that it's gonna be interesting for him
00:31:32in two ways.
00:31:33He can't really make the living
00:31:35that he's used to making in Indonesia.
00:31:37Cause even if they do this traveling banana chip business,
00:31:41which is just, I don't know what to say about that.
00:31:45But even being how much money are you gonna be making?
00:31:48Because if you're traveling,
00:31:49you're putting money into it.
00:31:51You can't travel places for free.
00:31:53If you are traveling to another town,
00:31:55you have to just wait.
00:31:58You made it, think of House Hunters.
00:31:59Yes, House Hunters.
00:32:00I used to actually watch that show, Tracy.
00:32:02And they're tearing down perfectly good houses,
00:32:05but it's the American way, right?
00:32:07We're tearing down perfectly good houses
00:32:08and we're tearing down perfectly good buildings
00:32:11to tear them down and make another building
00:32:13that we could have used the first one for.
00:32:15But yeah, I think that James
00:32:17is gonna have a lot to adjust to.
00:32:18But in my opinion,
00:32:19I think that James is not gonna stay in Indonesia.
00:32:22I think he's gonna get there.
00:32:23He's gonna realize how difficult it is
00:32:25to make a living over there.
00:32:29And he's gonna come home.
00:32:30And in my opinion,
00:32:31I think Natalia is gonna follow him.
00:32:33Because guys, remember,
00:32:34they've now followed each other.
00:32:37Natalia moved to Maine for him.
00:32:39She moved him to Florida.
00:32:40They moved back to Maine.
00:32:41And now he's moved to Indonesia for her.
00:32:43In my opinion, if that's not true love,
00:32:46I'm not 100% sure what is.
00:32:48I'm not moving states.
00:32:50I might not even move cities for people.
00:32:53So they've moved states, countries over oceans
00:32:56for each other, vice versa.
00:32:58I think that they love each other.
00:32:59So if it doesn't work out in Indonesia,
00:33:02I definitely think that they'll move back to Maine
00:33:04and they'll still be together.
00:33:05They've been together for five years.
00:33:06Like, I don't see how that would be a deal breaker.
00:33:10We'll see.
00:33:12We gonna see, right?
00:33:14We gonna see.
00:33:15So there's this new show, guys.
00:33:17It's called Forbidden Love.
00:33:19It's on TLC.
00:33:21It came on after the Tell All on Sunday.
00:33:25And I really love this.
00:33:27It sucks because Cara can't be here.
00:33:28She's the one that told me to watch it
00:33:30because she wanted to be on here.
00:33:31So she'll be on here next week
00:33:34so we can talk about it, obviously.
00:33:36These folks don't even do a Google search
00:33:38before moving to a different country.
00:33:41No, they don't.
00:33:41They really don't.
00:33:42And it's scary.
00:33:43I definitely agree with that.
00:33:45Okay, so this show is about extreme cultural differences.
00:33:50And Dee Dee and I, and Cara too,
00:33:52we've been talking about this for years,
00:33:54obviously with Night AFSC.
00:33:55It takes it a step further
00:33:57because on this show there's Pentecostal Christian
00:34:03who is trying to marry a Muslim woman.
00:34:06And ironically, the Muslim person
00:34:08isn't trying to force anything on them.
00:34:11It's his family trying to force Christianity on her.
00:34:15And his dad is a pastor.
00:34:18And there's just all these issues.
00:34:19And then there was a Orthodox Jewish guy named Eli
00:34:24who's trying to marry this very Staten Island girl, right?
00:34:29I get really Staten Island.
00:34:31Yeah, Catholic.
00:34:32And it's just crazy when you hear about all of the things
00:34:35that she has to change, right?
00:34:37So I didn't know this.
00:34:38So apparently Orthodox Jewish women
00:34:42are always wearing wigs when they're out in public.
00:34:45So I had no fricking clue, right?
00:34:47So the only person who can see
00:34:49an Orthodox Jewish woman's hair is her husband.
00:34:52Not even her mother-in-law.
00:34:55I would rather wear wigs than the...
00:34:58Why are they saying the hijab or something?
00:35:00I would, yeah.
00:35:02The hijab is where the Muslim women
00:35:04have to hide their hair, period,
00:35:08for anyone other than their husband.
00:35:09And I guess, so I was gonna ask you that
00:35:12so you answered it.
00:35:13So you would rather do the wig thing.
00:35:15Would you consider marrying somebody
00:35:19who would make you change the way you wear your hair
00:35:22or cook your food or how you dress?
00:35:24Nope, because I'm not changing for nobody.
00:35:26If you can't accept me how I am,
00:35:27then don't let the door hit you
00:35:29with a good Lord split you, hands down.
00:35:32It's an absolutely no.
00:35:34Oh wait, Sap Bunny says that her bestie is Orthodox
00:35:37and does not do any of that.
00:35:38So, okay, is it a woman or a man?
00:35:41Because I know the rules are a little less strict
00:35:45when it comes to men to women.
00:35:47Because the guy on the show, Forbidden Love, Eli,
00:35:49he has like a tattoo arm sleeve.
00:35:52And technically, in their religion,
00:35:55they said that he's not supposed to have those tattoos.
00:35:58But I guess when you're a man,
00:36:00it's more acceptable for you to break the rules
00:36:03than it is for a woman.
00:36:03And we've learned this a lot about Muslim and Jewish rules
00:36:09when it comes to their religion.
00:36:11Women are held to a much higher standard than men,
00:36:15which I don't understand why.
00:36:17But again, I'm uneducated on their beliefs.
00:36:21I don't know a lot about it,
00:36:22but I just feel like not sure why women
00:36:24are so strictly forced to change the way they dress,
00:36:30their hair, who they associate with.
00:36:33Oh, and she said something about two types of sinks,
00:36:37a kosher and a non-kosher sink.
00:36:40So when she's cooking meat,
00:36:44it can only go in one side of the sink.
00:36:45And then when she's cooking anything that,
00:36:47because I guess they can't touch each other.
00:36:49But my question, this might be a stupid question.
00:36:53If you're gonna, if everything goes down the same mouth,
00:36:56does it, okay, this might be really disrespectful
00:36:59to religion, if it is, I'm sorry.
00:37:00But if you're gonna eat meat
00:37:02and then you're gonna eat like kosher and non-kosher.
00:37:04So does it matter if it goes down the same mouth?
00:37:08Cause that was the first thing I thought of.
00:37:09Cause I was like, if it's going into the same place,
00:37:12what is the difference between how it was cooked,
00:37:15if it touched meat or not,
00:37:16if you're gonna chew it with the same two teeth, right?
00:37:21I don't know.
00:37:22That's a crazy culture.
00:37:27Now there are a lot of beautiful cultures out there,
00:37:30but this one is, this one's a crazy culture.
00:37:33Like she's saying that she can't even put cheese on her meat
00:37:37because it's dairy.
00:37:38It's like pulling the-
00:37:40But wasn't she saying she could still eat cheese?
00:37:45It just can't touch the meat.
00:37:46It's very confusing.
00:37:48Cause you would think that she just couldn't have it at all.
00:37:51That was what, so it was confusing to me.
00:37:55Oh, Raquel says, in some places Jews have two kitchens,
00:37:59one kosher kitchen and one not.
00:38:01So Raquel, question.
00:38:04Are Jewish people allowed to eat kosher and non-kosher food
00:38:08or do they only eat kosher food?
00:38:10And if so, what is the non-kosher kitchen used for?
00:38:14Because I'm trying to understand the significance
00:38:18of making sure that there's kosher and non-kosher
00:38:21and they don't mix.
00:38:22Are they cooking for non-Jewish people
00:38:24in the non-kosher kitchen?
00:38:25Like, it's very confusing for me.
00:38:27Cause when I was growing up, I was a seven day Adventist
00:38:30and we just could not eat certain things.
00:38:33Like we couldn't eat meat, we couldn't eat seafood,
00:38:36anything seafood had to have fins and scales.
00:38:39We couldn't have anything that was cooked with meat,
00:38:43anything that, I'm trying to think of the best way
00:38:46to put it.
00:38:47Like anything that was mixed in with meat,
00:38:50anything that was in a pot with meat,
00:38:51we couldn't have any of that.
00:38:52Like there was no kosher, non-kosher, it was just no.
00:38:55Oh, so it has to be kosher.
00:38:57So, Safani says that they can only eat kosher food.
00:38:59So what would the non-kosher kitchen stuff be for?
00:39:03Cause that's also confusing.
00:39:05Cause I was like, if everybody-
00:39:06Maybe the people that doesn't eat kosher food,
00:39:10I don't know.
00:39:11If that's, that's a really different culture.
00:39:16That would be something that,
00:39:19that would definitely need to be studied.
00:39:21I mean, she should have did her studying
00:39:24before she got with someone like that.
00:39:26But at the end of the day, as far as me,
00:39:30I'm not changing who I am.
00:39:31I'm not changing my religion.
00:39:33And talking about, you know, the Pentecostal,
00:39:36having the Pentecostal preacher,
00:39:38I thought that was funny
00:39:39because my dad was a Pentecostal preacher.
00:39:41To look at me now, you would never think
00:39:43my dad was a Pentecostal preacher, but he was, yes.
00:39:47And I was like, I was just looking because I was like,
00:39:52why, okay, Pentecostal women
00:39:55don't dress how his mom was dressed.
00:40:00And Pentecostal-
00:40:02Oh, yeah, she was dressed normal, right?
00:40:04Yeah, in the episode.
00:40:05Pentecostal, true, legit Pentecostals,
00:40:09women cannot dress like that.
00:40:11They have to have long sleeve.
00:40:13They have to have pretty much a turtleneck.
00:40:17They cannot cut their hair.
00:40:19They cannot wear jewelry.
00:40:21They cannot wear makeup.
00:40:23They have to wear dresses or skirts
00:40:25all the way down to the floor.
00:40:28Like, yeah, yeah.
00:40:32That's interesting because when I was growing up,
00:40:34it was the same for the women in my religion.
00:40:37They couldn't wear makeup.
00:40:38They couldn't wear pants.
00:40:40They definitely couldn't like have like anything showing.
00:40:45Like, and this wasn't just at church.
00:40:47This was like all the time.
00:40:48Cause I remember when I went to school,
00:40:49I went to the school that was a part of that religion.
00:40:52The girls had to always be dressed a certain way.
00:40:55Like the boys, we could get away with wearing shorts.
00:40:57Maybe the girls couldn't get away with that.
00:40:58Like they didn't allow it.
00:41:01No, cause when I was growing up,
00:41:02when I was in Mexico with my dad,
00:41:04I had to wear dresses that long sleeve dress,
00:41:08like long sleeves all the way.
00:41:10And then they had to be all the way down to my ankles.
00:41:12To this day, I will not put on a dress.
00:41:15You have to fight me tooth and nail to put on a dress.
00:41:18I hate dresses.
00:41:20I hate them.
00:41:20I hate them with a passion.
00:41:23That's crazy.
00:41:24That's good.
00:41:25And it's because of your religion, right?
00:41:26It's not because it's a trauma thing.
00:41:28Cause I'm the same way.
00:41:29So I'm going to say when I was watching this episode,
00:41:32listening to the Pentecostal preacher and his family,
00:41:36it was like trauma response.
00:41:39Like, cause that reminded me so much
00:41:41of what it was like in my household.
00:41:42And it's interesting,
00:41:43cause no one in my household was a preacher.
00:41:46My grandmother was a pastor,
00:41:48but no, like my mom wasn't, my dad wasn't,
00:41:51but they were just so into the religion.
00:41:54It felt like I was in a pastor's house
00:41:57because everything, no matter what I did
00:42:00or what I wanted to do, it was always wrong.
00:42:02It was always a sin.
00:42:03I couldn't hang out with my friends.
00:42:05I couldn't go bowling.
00:42:06I couldn't go skating.
00:42:06I couldn't listen to any music.
00:42:08I couldn't, like everything was wrong.
00:42:09And it was like, so when I was listening to the dad say,
00:42:12oh, well, I won't accept her religion,
00:42:14but I was trying to help her convert.
00:42:16And I was like, I hate that.
00:42:18Because it reminded me when he said,
00:42:21oh, was she born into it or was she forced into it?
00:42:24And I was like, everybody who's in a religion,
00:42:27if you were born, you were forced into it.
00:42:31And I hate to say it, but you didn't have a choice
00:42:32because when I was christened as a baby, I couldn't talk.
00:42:36You know, like I didn't have any say in that.
00:42:39I couldn't move, speak.
00:42:41I couldn't wipe anything of my own.
00:42:43Like I wasn't given the opportunity.
00:42:46And then when I got old enough to do all that,
00:42:48I was told by my mom I had to get baptized.
00:42:51I was never given a choice, right?
00:42:53Like it was always, this is what you need to do.
00:42:55So it just brought back a lot of trauma for me.
00:42:57Because I was like, man, I hate to see
00:43:00that people are still going through this to this day.
00:43:02It's still like, it's a horror story for me,
00:43:05but this is real life for people still to this day.
00:43:08Like they're still going through that.
00:43:09Yeah, I mean, now don't get me wrong.
00:43:13I love going to a Pentecostal church.
00:43:15You know, I really love it.
00:43:17And I mean, if you wanna have a good church,
00:43:20you go to a Pentecostal church.
00:43:21That's some good church right there.
00:43:23But I'm not going to force,
00:43:26I never forced my kids to wear dresses.
00:43:30You know, my girls, I never, you know,
00:43:32I let them decide what religion they want to choose
00:43:37because at the end of the day,
00:43:39it's between them and God what they choose.
00:43:41You know what I'm saying?
00:43:42I'm not gonna make them do anything
00:43:43because I was made to be in Pentecostal.
00:43:48I was made, I had to wear certain things.
00:43:50I had, my hair had to look a certain way.
00:43:52I had to act a certain way.
00:43:54I had, you know what I'm saying?
00:43:56So I was not gonna do that to my kids.
00:43:58So there's a guy and a woman on this show.
00:44:01Actually, there's two more people,
00:44:02but one is an Amish, he was Amish.
00:44:05And then it was like an older woman that he ended up with.
00:44:08And he's having an issue
00:44:10because we were talking about porn addiction yesterday.
00:44:13Right?
00:44:14He's having an issue with porn.
00:44:15Cause I guess growing up, you know, as an Amish boy,
00:44:18he didn't have the internet and he didn't realize, you know,
00:44:22and he was also a virgin until I think he said he was 23.
00:44:26Is what he said, which I can't imagine, can't fathom.
00:44:29But now that he's in a relationship with her,
00:44:31he is hiding from her
00:44:35and on his phone watching pornography.
00:44:36And she's like trying, really trying to get him off of that.
00:44:40And I can't imagine that can be easy for a woman, you know,
00:44:45to know that there's someone that loves you
00:44:48and you wanna be desired
00:44:49and they're just so into that other stuff.
00:44:53It's crazy to me.
00:44:54And he said something really crazy on the first episode
00:44:58where he said that the Amish men
00:45:02were having sex with non-humans.
00:45:05Yeah, Judy, you said it.
00:45:07I don't wanna get kicked off alive.
00:45:09I don't know how much you can talk about that type of stuff.
00:45:11But he said that they were doing that
00:45:13and that was just so crazy.
00:45:16And then she asked him if he was doing that
00:45:18and he had a really, really long pause.
00:45:22And I was like, why are you pausing?
00:45:24The answer to that is no, you're not doing that, right?
00:45:27And then he didn't answer.
00:45:28If you ever seen that show,
00:45:30I think it's called Breaking Amish or something.
00:45:33I used to watch it, but then I got tired of watching it
00:45:35because that's crazy.
00:45:38Like that kind of lifestyle is crazy.
00:45:40I mean, and they all said that all the boys
00:45:45and the men did that, you know, every one of them.
00:45:49That's insane.
00:45:51Also, Donna said that, what's his name?
00:45:54I can't remember his name.
00:45:57This boy who's on this season of Forbidden Love,
00:46:00he was on season four of Breaking Amish.
00:46:02I didn't realize that, I didn't watch Breaking Amish,
00:46:05but I didn't.
00:46:07I watched it for a little bit and I quit
00:46:09because to me, I mean, that's just, it's disgusting.
00:46:14I didn't know that that was going on.
00:46:16And, but you know, we've heard of things
00:46:18in the Catholic church with priests and, you know,
00:46:22so it's so disturbing that religion,
00:46:26which is supposed to be something
00:46:28that brings us all closer to a higher power,
00:46:30there's such terrible things happening
00:46:33inside of those religions, right?
00:46:35That, I think that's what really scares me
00:46:37because the whole purpose of religion
00:46:39is to make you a better human being,
00:46:41you closer to a higher power,
00:46:42whether you believe in God or Allah
00:46:44or whatever that higher power is,
00:46:47religion is supposed to build you up
00:46:49and bring you closer to that.
00:46:50And then we hear about the negative, terrible things
00:46:54that are going on inside the religion
00:46:55and it's just so mind boggling
00:46:58to think that people are going to church
00:47:01and working towards being better people,
00:47:03but there are also things like that going on.
00:47:05Yeah, Portuguese princess is like,
00:47:07don't get me started on Catholicism, right?
00:47:10Yeah, it's really scary.
00:47:11Oh, and also there's another couple,
00:47:14it's a white girl from Iowa.
00:47:17I think she's from Missouri
00:47:18and she's with a Muslim man
00:47:22and her family really-
00:47:24He's from Saudi Arabia.
00:47:25Yeah.
00:47:26Right, and he's a Muslim man
00:47:29and I'm gonna put this out there,
00:47:31I think the hardest religion for a woman to marry into
00:47:38is becoming a Muslim wife.
00:47:41I think that since we've been watching these shows,
00:47:45the most difficult transition I've ever seen
00:47:48is for a woman, a normal woman
00:47:52who might be religious, might be spiritual.
00:47:55Yeah, Shekinah, I think Shekinah was Amish,
00:47:58if I'm not mistaken.
00:47:59Dee Dee, wasn't Shekinah,
00:48:01I believe she said she grew up Amish.
00:48:03I think that's what she's saying.
00:48:05No wonder she-
00:48:07Yeah, so there's some trauma there, right?
00:48:10But yeah, I think in my opinion,
00:48:13for a woman to go into any religion
00:48:15that she wasn't a part of before,
00:48:17becoming a Muslim wife is gonna be the most difficult.
00:48:20And we were watching this story where,
00:48:24and they already have a kid together,
00:48:26so I'm not exactly sure why the family
00:48:29won't just accept him,
00:48:30but the sister called him a really, really bad,
00:48:33terrible word, right?
00:48:35Starts with a T and it's something that you just,
00:48:39you don't call people of that religion.
00:48:41It's just not fair to do a one size fits all on that.
00:48:43And her sister denied it.
00:48:45She was like, well, I said it out loud,
00:48:47but I wasn't necessarily talking about him.
00:48:49And I was like, just own it, just own it.
00:48:51You call them that name and apologize
00:48:54so y'all can be a family.
00:48:55She said that she stopped talking to her sister
00:48:57for like two years,
00:48:58and he doesn't want her to have anything
00:49:00to do with her family.
00:49:01And these type of relationships really scare me,
00:49:04where you marry this guy
00:49:06and then you have to like stop talking to your family.
00:49:09Cause she, or when she goes to see her family,
00:49:12he won't be present.
00:49:14You know, and it's kind of like,
00:49:15she's in a position where she has to pick
00:49:18between her husband and her family.
00:49:19Those are really scary too.
00:49:21You know, and then he's telling her
00:49:22how she should and shouldn't dress.
00:49:25I never understood, in my opinion,
00:49:27why the Muslim religion is so strict on women's dress,
00:49:32but men can literally dress any way they want.
00:49:36You know, because aren't men supposed to be
00:49:38like a prime example of their higher power,
00:49:42who they believe in?
00:49:43And it's like, I don't understand why they can just
00:49:45wear Tommy Hilfiger and polo and just look normal.
00:49:48And then the woman has to be in head to toe.
00:49:51I think it's a macho thing to be honest with you.
00:49:53I don't think religion has anything to do with it.
00:49:55I think it's a macho thing.
00:49:57So, cause they, cause the Muslim people,
00:50:01they expect their wives to bow down to them.
00:50:04See, I agree with you.
00:50:05Remember Nicole and Mahmood?
00:50:07It was never that she was dressing inappropriate
00:50:12because Nicole, let's be real,
00:50:13she was never dressing like a hoochie.
00:50:15She dressed normal, you know, for someone in our country.
00:50:19She covered up more than most women, to be honest.
00:50:22Someone from California, that's a lot of clothes.
00:50:24Right, she dressed perfectly fine.
00:50:27But in Mahmood's eyes, he's like, well, you're my wife.
00:50:30You can't look that way.
00:50:31And you're right, it might be more of a man
00:50:34having power over his wife.
00:50:38I don't understand that religion.
00:50:39And again, I don't want to sound ignorant,
00:50:41but I believe that all people are equal.
00:50:45I believe that in any relationship, man, female, whatever,
00:50:49everyone is equal and you should all meet each other halfway.
00:50:54And I don't feel like anybody should be more required
00:50:56to do things than the other.
00:50:58Like, cause the one, the girl on the show,
00:51:00she was like, I feel like he's telling me
00:51:02do as I say, not as I do.
00:51:03Cause he does whatever he wants,
00:51:05but she has to do what he says.
00:51:07And I just don't feel like
00:51:08that's how relationships should work.
00:51:10You know, like if you're telling me not to do something,
00:51:12I obviously shouldn't see you doing it.
00:51:14If we're going to do it,
00:51:15if we're going to both make the decision together
00:51:17to not do something, we should do that together.
00:51:21But see, I'm never going to do anything
00:51:23a man tells me to do, hands down.
00:51:25I'm just, I'm telling you, I'm a handful.
00:51:28I will never, I don't care what religion you are,
00:51:32what culture you from, I don't care.
00:51:34There ain't no man going to tell me what to do, hands down.
00:51:40No chance.
00:51:41So if a man said to you, I want to marry you,
00:51:45I just need you to convert to my religion,
00:51:47you're just going to tell him, bye.
00:51:49Kiss my American ass.
00:51:52You sound like Angela.
00:51:53You sound like Angela.
00:51:55So you really are just like, no,
00:51:56even if you really love the guy
00:51:58and y'all have been in a relationship for a long time,
00:51:59it's still like a, no, you don't care?
00:52:01No, because if he really truly loves me,
00:52:04he's going to accept me for who I am
00:52:07and he's going to accept my religion.
00:52:11Like I would accept his religion just because,
00:52:14and that's one thing that I didn't like
00:52:16on the Pentecostal parents.
00:52:21They said a house divided will never stand.
00:52:23That's not true.
00:52:24That is not true.
00:52:26I mean, just because you're not of the same religion
00:52:28does not mean that your house is divided.
00:52:32You have to become a, you have to have a happy medium.
00:52:35You know what I'm saying?
00:52:36Yeah.
00:52:38Just because you're Catholic and I'm Christian
00:52:41or I'm Catholic and you're Muslim or whatever it is,
00:52:46as long as we have that happy medium,
00:52:49what does it matter?
00:52:51I don't see how religion can be a make or break
00:52:55in a relationship if you're both open
00:52:57to accepting each other's, like you said, practices.
00:53:01You can't just say, oh, my religion is the only religion
00:53:04that is going to take presence in this relationship.
00:53:07You just have to be open to respecting each other.
00:53:08Like for instance, the girl who's marrying
00:53:11the Orthodox Jewish husband,
00:53:13just cook him kosher food every day.
00:53:15And then if you want to eat a non-kosher food,
00:53:18cook it the right way and respect his beliefs.
00:53:21But you shouldn't have to convert and only do what he does.
00:53:25I feel like you could both live happily doing your own thing
00:53:29as long as you both have equal respect for each other.
00:53:32Right, like as long as you respect where they came from
00:53:34and how they were raised and vice versa,
00:53:36then you can make it work.
00:53:38Like that, it really irritated me though
00:53:40when they use that scripture,
00:53:42that a house divided will never stand.
00:53:44Because I don't believe that the scripture
00:53:46was referring to religion.
00:53:48I think the scripture was referring to other things.
00:53:52Like I think there are core beliefs
00:53:54that you need in a marriage.
00:53:56I don't think that religion necessarily is one of them,
00:53:59but there are things that you both need to agree on
00:54:02in order for you to be in a relationship, right?
00:54:05Like I feel like there are things if y'all don't,
00:54:07if you don't agree on it,
00:54:08you might not work as a relationship.
00:54:11But I think that there are core beliefs.
00:54:13I think that religion is definitely something
00:54:16that is very personal and we're all born
00:54:18with a different belief and understanding of religion.
00:54:22So it's crazy to me when people are like,
00:54:24oh, we should all be the same when it comes to religion.
00:54:27And it's like, we were all born
00:54:29and have different understandings and beliefs of religion.
00:54:32So it would be crazy for us to all conform
00:54:35to one way of thinking.
00:54:36It wouldn't make sense, we're not robots.
00:54:39You know, like it wouldn't make sense.
00:54:41Exactly, exactly.
00:54:43As long as you love each other and respect each other
00:54:46and respect each other's religion
00:54:48and y'all have a happy medium, it doesn't matter.
00:54:51Like I said, at the end of the day,
00:54:54you have your beliefs, I have my beliefs.
00:54:56As long as we're okay with it,
00:54:58so what about what other people say or think?
00:55:01Yeah, see, I have enough religious trauma
00:55:05that I know that I would have never ended up on this show.
00:55:08You know, because nobody is gonna force me into a religion.
00:55:12I was, that's my whole childhood.
00:55:14I was forced into a religion.
00:55:15I was forced to live a lifestyle that I didn't agree with.
00:55:18So I would never find myself in that situation.
00:55:21And it scares me, you know, watching these people
00:55:24because I don't think they really know
00:55:25what they're getting into.
00:55:26Like the girl who has to wear a wig in public,
00:55:29she has really beautiful hair, by the way,
00:55:31really beautiful hair.
00:55:32I can't imagine someone, well, the boyfriend was like,
00:55:37oh, well, you could just put your wig on
00:55:39and you're ready to go.
00:55:40And I was like, I don't think
00:55:41that that's what women think about.
00:55:43You know, I don't think that that's what they're thinking
00:55:44about if they could get ready faster.
00:55:46Women wanna feel comfortable in their own skin
00:55:48and in their own body.
00:55:49And I feel like putting a wig on her head to go out,
00:55:51she's not gonna feel like she's herself, right?
00:55:54Exactly.
00:55:55You should be yourself when you go out or you go,
00:55:59because even if her husband's not present,
00:56:01she's still not allowed to just wear her own hair.
00:56:04You know, and I feel like when you have to change
00:56:06who you are completely to make another person happy,
00:56:10you don't need to be making that person happy, right?
00:56:12Like you need to be making yourself happy.
00:56:14And I think that's where you land with it, Dee Dee,
00:56:17because you're like, if you're happy or not,
00:56:19that's irrelevant to my life.
00:56:21I'm gonna be happy though, right?
00:56:23Like, I feel like that's how you look at it.
00:56:25You're like, if you can't figure out
00:56:27how to make yourself happy, you know,
00:56:29I can't help you with that.
00:56:30You know, that's not my job.
00:56:32I can't make your life perfect, right?
00:56:35Like you have to put some effort into that.
00:56:37And I think religion, you know, it should be important,
00:56:40just like spirituality should be important.
00:56:42But I think in a lot of these situations,
00:56:45religion is held higher in the core value sense
00:56:51than it should be.
00:56:53I believe as long as you believe what you believe
00:56:55and you believe it in your heart to be true,
00:56:57whether other people believe it or not
00:56:59doesn't change that in your heart.
00:57:01You know, and I feel like religion has turned
00:57:03into like a numbers game of how many people can I convert?
00:57:07You know, and I don't want people to think that way.
00:57:09I want you to be happy knowing that you found the religion
00:57:12that works for you.
00:57:14And you have to understand that it might not work
00:57:16for everybody else, but you know in your heart
00:57:19that you're doing the right thing.
00:57:21Exactly.
00:57:22All right.
00:57:23Okay, so we're gonna come back next week
00:57:26for part two of five of the happily ever after tell all.
00:57:34Part one was pretty good though.
00:57:35It was pretty good.
00:57:37And also if you didn't see it
00:57:39on the Nine Day Fiance main account on Instagram,
00:57:42they released the before the 90 days trailer,
00:57:46which introduced us to the next set of people coming in
00:57:50for before the 90 days, new people.
00:57:52So I'm happy.
00:57:54So if you haven't seen that, take a look.
00:57:55That's gonna be premiering in September.
00:57:58So somewhere around the end of this tell all
00:58:02is when we're gonna get before the nine days.
00:58:03Oh, and yeah, I wanna say address that real quick too.
00:58:07They said that the tell all's will not be on streaming
00:58:10until the conclusion.
00:58:12So it means if you're not able to watch it live on TLC,
00:58:18I don't really know how you're supposed to watch it.
00:58:21I guess TLC go is an option, but you know,
00:58:23I watched it on max.
00:58:25It was not on max.
00:58:28I've tried watching it on everywhere that I,
00:58:34I don't remember where I looked.
00:58:35Everywhere I looked, it wasn't there.
00:58:36So I don't know if there are enough people right in,
00:58:38maybe they'll change it,
00:58:40but I don't know why this is a thing.
00:58:42We've always gotten the tell all's.
00:58:44Oh, so Sling, was it on Sling?
00:58:46We've always gotten the tell all's
00:58:48as they air on streaming.
00:58:49This is brand new.
00:58:50I have no idea why.
00:58:51Oh, so you did watch it on Hulu.
00:58:53I tried and I couldn't.
00:58:54So if you don't have TLC, the actual cable channel,
00:59:00I guess you're gonna have to wait
00:59:02till it airs on Hulu the next day,
00:59:03which I think is completely insane.
00:59:06I'm sorry, guys.
00:59:07I wish that I had an option for you
00:59:08because I was struggling.
00:59:10Dee Dee knows I was struggling
00:59:11to try to figure out a way to watch it yesterday too.
00:59:12We were all in the same boat.
00:59:15Yeah, we were.
00:59:17Yeah, we were all like, well, what are we supposed to do?
00:59:20Oh, Hulu live TV, TLC.
00:59:22Yeah, you're right.
00:59:23Hulu has live TV and TLC go.
00:59:26All right, guys, we're gonna come back next week.
00:59:27We're gonna talk about Happily Ever After,
00:59:30part two of the tell all of five.
00:59:32We're gonna come back
00:59:32and we're gonna do some more of The Other Way.
00:59:34And there's still two people on The Other Way
00:59:36we haven't met.
00:59:37So I don't know what's on that.
00:59:39And we're gonna talk about some more Forbidden Love.
00:59:41And then we're gonna do an end of season rap on Unexpected.
00:59:45So if you guys weren't watching Unexpected on TLC,
00:59:47it's coming towards the end.
00:59:48So we're gonna be talking about that as well.
00:59:50Thank you so much to Dee Dee for joining me.
00:59:52We missed you, Cara.
00:59:53She was having some issues at work.
00:59:55She will be back next week.
00:59:56We are not letting her go.
00:59:58So don't worry about that.
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