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00:00What's up, I'm George Mossey, it's the George Mossey Show.
00:08So we just watched the Tell All No Limits Part 5 Episode 5, I guess, of the Happily
00:16Ever After.
00:18I'm waiting on Cara to get here.
00:20She's going to be here in a second, and we're going to get into this episode.
00:25This is one of two aftershows I'm doing tonight.
00:27So this aftershow will be done in a little bit, so I'm going to jump over to Twitter
00:36with Shibuti, and we're going to do another aftershow with you guys on Twitter, because
00:41you know, this was kind of a big episode, right?
00:44We were waiting for a long time.
00:45Hey, Gina!
00:46Hey!
00:47Hey!
00:48So, Cara's here, so we're going to get into Part 5.
00:52So first of all, I want to get everybody's raw reaction, because I was on Twitter, I
00:56keep calling it Twitter, I think you're supposed to call it X.
00:58And people felt like, oh, hi from Toronto, hi Diva Speaks in Toronto.
01:03People felt like this episode was unnecessary or uncalled for, and they felt like there
01:08wasn't a lot going on.
01:09So I wanted to get both of your raw reaction from watching this episode.
01:14Was it necessary to have five parts?
01:16Do you feel like we could have ended it at four?
01:18Like what are your thoughts?
01:19I mean, I thought it was awesome.
01:24So you thought this was a good episode, you were thoroughly entertained.
01:28I wish we would have got more Michael.
01:30I want more of Michael's story.
01:31I want Michael's side.
01:32I want to see Angela get her ass beat.
01:35Gina, how do you feel?
01:39I don't know.
01:40I thought that I needed more drama, that was kind of lacking.
01:45But I'm definitely with on Cara's and I needed more Michael.
01:50Funny thing is I missed the last 20 minutes of it because where I watch it or 30 minutes
01:55of it.
01:56The girl goes on TikTok and her account got banned due to stupid Jasmine and Gino's toe
02:03scene.
02:04Are you serious?
02:05I am dead serious.
02:06Oh my gosh.
02:07Who's TikTok not banned?
02:08Pardon me?
02:09Who's TikTok not banned?
02:10It was just banned until next week or whatnot for a week.
02:20It was where Deedee and I watch it.
02:23I think it's just like a random person, right?
02:26It's no one.
02:27Yeah.
02:28Yeah.
02:29Yeah, no, it's no one from the show or anything like that.
02:31And she just goes she goes live on TikTok and then her TikTok got banned due to content.
02:38Like that content reason it was because of stupid Gino and Jasmine's stupid toe situation.
02:44So I want to ask y'all because there was an altercation between Sophie and Lauren at the
02:50beginning of this episode and Lauren called Sophie a huge bitch.
02:56And you know, I'm not a huge fan of Lauren.
02:59Definitely not a big fan of Sophie.
03:01But I don't disagree because she was like, oh, I get it now.
03:04I get why Rob and you didn't work out.
03:05I get why people say that you're such a bad person.
03:09And that altercation, Sophie was like, that is so like, that's so offensive and rude.
03:15And I was like, well, no, whenever people start to tell the truth about Sophie, she
03:19starts crying and she calls them rude.
03:21She says that they're nasty.
03:23They're a liar.
03:24They're cheaters.
03:25I did like the idea that Sophie met her match, because nobody really is calling Sophie out
03:31on her shit.
03:32And unfortunately, Lauren was the only one to do it right before she left.
03:35But I felt like it was necessary, right?
03:37Because everybody was like focused on calling Angela out or they're focusing on calling
03:42everybody else out.
03:44Sophie was getting away with so much at this talal and I felt like this was so needed.
03:48And I was just happy to see that Lauren took that opportunity to do that, right?
03:55Like, I'm not big with Lauren or Alexi, because we actually saw another interaction where
03:59Ashley got really pissed at Alexi, because Jasmine was talking and Ashley was cutting
04:05her off.
04:06And Alexi's like, you know, let her finish, but he used like a hand gesture and she took
04:10that as a personal thing.
04:12So like, how do y'all feel about that?
04:13Do you feel like it was rude, the way Alexi asked Ashley to let Jasmine finish talking?
04:18I didn't take it that way.
04:20So when they explained it to me that way, I didn't understand it.
04:24So how did y'all take that?
04:25He hand gestured everything we were all thinking.
04:27And I was thinking shut the fuck up, Ashley, the whole time.
04:32Pretty much, yeah, same thing.
04:33And then Ashley's just living in her own, or doing her own thing and living in her own
04:38world and thinks she has every right to everything.
04:41So you know, Ashley will just do Ashley and that's it.
04:45Well, the interesting part is we watched some segments with Ashley and Manuel.
04:50And we found out that Manuel has $200 a month child support, like, we knew that he was sending
04:56money back to Ecuador, well, quotes, to Ecuador, to his kids.
05:01We didn't know how much, we didn't know that it was court ordered, right?
05:04Like this was new information.
05:05We thought he was sending it back because he wanted to.
05:08He's actually sending it back because it's required of him.
05:11And he revealed tonight that his sister opened a line of credit to help him get, how do you
05:18call it, in the positives of his child support payments, because he was in the negative.
05:24And he felt that Ashley doesn't take it seriously enough.
05:28So I wanted to get y'all's opinion because I don't know, guys, like, I feel like Ashley
05:33paying his child support, I get that they're married and his bills are her bills, but it's
05:39not her responsibility to pay the child support.
05:42But I-
05:43Yes, it is.
05:44Yes, it is.
05:45So wait, is it really her responsibility?
05:48Why wouldn't it be?
05:50She brought him here, as she's thrown in his face 47 times, so she had to go to this
06:00attorney to do a post-nup to say that you inherited each other's debt.
06:06She is absolutely responsible for that shit.
06:09So him saying that he might leave her because he can't work, because I guess the real issue
06:16tonight was, she waited one full year to put the paperwork through.
06:22And he feels like that's a year that he could have been working and getting ahead.
06:27And he feels like it was like a personal attack, because he doesn't like sitting around and
06:31asking someone else to cover his debts, especially Ashley, because Ashley tends to make him feel
06:36bad whenever he needs something.
06:38And we saw this with Jasmine, too, when she first got here, Gino would try to make her
06:42feel bad if she needed money or needed the credit card or needed him to buy something.
06:47And when you bring somebody here who's not legally allowed to work, who has absolutely
06:52no means of taking care of themselves, because he's coming from Ecuador, he didn't have a
06:56savings, right?
06:57Like he didn't come over here with thousands of dollars.
06:59I think it's wrong when the American counterpart, they're like, oh, well, you don't know how
07:04hard it is for me.
07:05And I'm like, it is hard for everyone, but it's harder for them who gave up everything
07:10and now they're fully dependent on them.
07:11Because I can't imagine leaving my comfort of my bubble in my life, in my financial situation,
07:19and just putting myself in the mercy of another person.
07:23And if they decide that I can have something, I can.
07:26And if they decide that I can't, I get like, I don't know what that's like.
07:29And I don't ever want to know what that's like.
07:31And if I did, and you threw one thing in my face about how you brought me over here, or
07:37it's your visa, my shit's packed and I'm gone.
07:40Oh, yes.
07:41Oh, definitely.
07:42Like, I don't know, I think she was just saying like, let me see how long, like kind of playing
07:49the visa card, like, like a puppeteer almost, like, let me string Manuela on like Pinocchio
07:55and just like string that visa card and see like, if he'll laugh this long, or if he'll
08:01like just put him through tests, because like, the red flag girl there.
08:06This was a trial run, right?
08:07So you're saying this was a trial run.
08:09She was seeing how things went before she really put the pen, the ink on the paper,
08:15right?
08:16Because once you put the ink on the paper, there's no going back.
08:20And you know, Manuel is very secretive.
08:22So it is easy for you to have doubts about what you're getting into.
08:26And she probably looked at it as the longer I don't put the ink to the paper, I could
08:31possibly send him back, right?
08:35But also, he doesn't speak English.
08:38So if you don't speak Spanish, George, and I walk up to you with 50 pages written in
08:48Spanish, and I said, here, fill this out and sign it.
08:51Then what?
08:52Well, that would do nothing for me, because I not only can't speak Spanish,
08:57Trust me, like, I hope this bitch is legit.
09:00Well, right.
09:01I can't speak it.
09:03I can't read it.
09:04I just don't understand it.
09:05And this is coming from someone who took it for two years.
09:08I took Spanish and French in school, couldn't tell you nothing, right?
09:11I have no recollection of it whatsoever.
09:13So I know exactly her printing out papers and handing it to him is basically a slap
09:20in the face.
09:21It's basically saying, you want this done, you do it, knowing that he cannot do it.
09:25And I think that's almost disrespectful in a way, right, saying, well, I know you want
09:30this done.
09:31I'm not doing it.
09:32You can't do it.
09:33But why wouldn't he go to, like, a pro bono lawyer, like, that speaks Spanish to read
09:39over the documentations?
09:40Because it's near impossible to find a pro bono lawyer in America.
09:47Me too.
09:48You gotta be falsely accused of something big and hope Kim Kardashian comes to your
09:55rescue.
09:56Yeah, that's true.
09:57Because so many people have tried using the pro bono because they thought they were going
10:02to get a big payout.
10:03And then the lawyers got burned and they did years worth of work on cases and got nothing.
10:08Literally, they were upside down.
10:11So yeah, nobody wants to do anything without actually receiving money up front, and especially
10:17in an immigration case, because he's not winning a judgment of money.
10:21So nobody, there's no big payout at the end.
10:23So the lawyer is like, well, what do I get?
10:26You're going to get, right, you're going to get your paperwork.
10:29What do I get at the end?
10:30Because if you go to a Walmart and you fall and you break a limb, a pro bono lawyer is
10:35more likely to take your case because Walmart has billions of dollars.
10:40And literally, if you fell and there was no sign that told you, be careful, you're going
10:45to get paid.
10:46And that lawyer is also going to get paid.
10:48Like it's so much easier when there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
10:51And you know what they say, lawyers aren't in it for the money.
10:54They don't care if you did it or not, right?
10:56Like lawyers, they think that way.
10:58And unfortunately, you know, that's just a part of the game.
11:01And if helping people just because you want to help people, that's like a thing of the
11:06past, right?
11:07Like, there's so few lawyers out there that just want to help people for the sake of it.
11:13Like what about a notary?
11:14Right?
11:15A notary would be cheaper than a lawyer and you can read over the document in Spanish.
11:18Notary and I cannot give legal advice.
11:21Right.
11:22No, but like read over the document and basically simplify it and translate it for them.
11:27But I think that's more of a translator than a notary, right?
11:30Like that you have to hire, you have a notary is only there to be a presence and legal legal
11:36file that document.
11:38You can't like translate it for them.
11:40Like that's like taking it a step further.
11:45I can't speak on anything I signed.
11:48I can't help you understand it.
11:50I'm just there to stamp right in the way that I saw you sign.
11:55Okay.
11:56So Angela left the house and Angela, I'm sorry, Angela and Michael left.
12:02The tell all didn't go back to the house that night and Lauren and Alexi left, but the rest
12:07of the cast did go back to the house and they did have some conversations and I want to
12:11talk about this Ed and Liz interaction the last night because you know, when they first
12:15got into the house, the interaction between Ed and Liz was very aggressive and hostile.
12:20And then we were watching a more friendly interaction between Ed and Liz and it was
12:25really confusing to me because when you say someone has hurt you and treated you so badly,
12:31it was just really weird to me watching Liz like, and she said it, she's like, we got
12:35comfortable with each other again.
12:36And I understand why people when they break up with someone that they really feel is toxic,
12:42it's very important that you detach yourself and make sure that that person is not around
12:47you because falling back into that, or I think they call it backsliding, back into that situation
12:53because it's familiar.
12:55I think that's what we were watching because I was like, Liz, where was the energy when
12:59you were screaming?
13:01And you know, you wanted to get your point across, you want to make sure he was a liar,
13:04you want people to see what he did.
13:05Now tonight, you're making him tacos, right?
13:09And you're like, talking like everything's fine.
13:10I was like, where's Jason too?
13:13I was like, I don't like the idea of him weaseling his way back into her life.
13:18And then he said to Patrick, he's like, if I wanted to close the deal, I could have meaning
13:22he could have slept with Liz.
13:25And I don't believe that.
13:27But I also don't know because the way that they were interacting when Jason wasn't around,
13:31I really did feel like she was falling back into that place where she was just letting
13:35him run her life.
13:39I was so pissed off over the Ed and Liz scenes tonight, I was, it was ridiculous.
13:44But I'm also pissed off at Patrick, Patrick's, Patrick's opinion of everybody else that he
13:51spoke about.
13:52He doesn't have a clue what the hell's going on.
13:54He has no idea.
13:56Well, Ed said this, but Ed's probably lying and Ed said this and he, I, Patrick was useless
14:03on this whole season.
14:05Completely.
14:06Well, we've never, we've never known Patrick to be very opinionated.
14:11Right?
14:12I think Jamal calls him...
14:15Even when Lauren is saying, your husband needs to stand up for you.
14:19He literally says, I do stand up for her and then bows his head, didn't even look her in
14:25the eye.
14:26He just put his head all the way down.
14:27He just sits there like a dud, he's like, and watch paint dry.
14:32Yeah.
14:33Because he's a, what do you call it when someone is not confrontational?
14:37He's anti-confrontational.
14:38And because remember when they, when he was in Brazil and they wanted him to have a conversation
14:44with his dad about the apartment, it took everything in him to do that.
14:48He is so non-confrontational.
14:50And then when John and Thais are screaming at each other, he just pretends like he's
14:54not present.
14:55And, you know, being married, you have to always know when it's time to speak up.
15:00Like when Lauren was screaming with Sophie, Alexi came and sat next to her, to Lauren,
15:06and he started interjecting.
15:08You know, you have to know when it's time to get involved when your significant other
15:13is in a situation.
15:14Now, I don't like to say that you need to save anyone, because I don't believe that
15:18that's true.
15:19But I feel like you should always be present in case they need you, right?
15:22Like you should insert yourself when needed.
15:24And I feel like Patrick will let people scream at his wife, and he will not insert himself
15:28in the situation and defend her.
15:31And I don't think it's because he doesn't love her, I think it's just he was raised
15:36in a way where he never wanted to confront anyone, and it's become a defense mechanism,
15:40he feels.
15:41And it's ironic to me because he's a massive guy, right?
15:45Like he's very intimidating.
15:48If you don't know him, and you see him for the first time, you would think that he would
15:51be intimidating, but he's the complete opposite.
15:54He's the most soft-spoken.
15:55Patrick's intimidating?
15:56Patrick's intimidating?
15:57He's huge.
15:58He's like a bodybuilder.
15:59Like, no, I said, if you first looked at him for the very first time, and you've never
16:06seen him on the show, you would think he could be intimidating.
16:09If I never knew him, never seen him on the show, the first time I looked at him, I would
16:14say, why is this guy's head so tight?
16:16First of all.
16:17That looks like Popeye.
16:18Well, that's the steroids.
16:19That's the steroids.
16:20Oh, I know what it is.
16:21As soon as he opens his eyes, he's like, oh, my God.
16:22That's the steroids.
16:23Oh, I know what it is.
16:24As soon as he starts talking, I'd be like, this guy is such a puss.
16:30I would know it instantly.
16:33He's a massive teddy bear, and I think that's his downfall, because he doesn't know when
16:38to stand up.
16:39You know?
16:40And he's got a daughter, too.
16:41You know, when you have a daughter, you have to make sure that you know when it's time
16:44to stand up for the women in your life.
16:47You know?
16:48Fathers have to be that stern figure.
16:51You know, when she starts dating, he needs to be the one to say, hey, look, you want
16:54to take my daughter on a date, treat her right, or you're going to deal with me.
16:58You know?
16:59You have to-
17:00I think John doing that more than him.
17:01Oh, yeah.
17:02This is natural for him.
17:03He's going to say, if you want to take my daughter on a date, if you hurt her, you're
17:08going to deal with my wife.
17:09That's what he's going to say.
17:10And let's be real, Thais is not very intimidating, either.
17:15So somebody's got to stand up for Alessi, right?
17:17So John, this is your responsibility.
17:21You're assigning this to John.
17:22John is the one who has to make sure that Alessi is protected at all costs.
17:26Because I can't delegate that to Patrick.
17:29I'm just not, I'm not comfortable that it'll be done.
17:32Also, let's talk about my visa.
17:34So Angela referred to Michael's visa as her visa.
17:38And that, forgot her name, Jasmine had a huge issue with that.
17:43Well, actually, a lot of the cast members from other countries have a problem with that.
17:48Because yes, the visa process is done by the American citizen, right?
17:52The American counterpart is the one who starts, initiates, and completes the process.
17:58But the actual card, the visa, the paperwork is in the name of the person that is being
18:04brought over here.
18:05So this made me think, because the way that Angela treats Michael, it is as though he's
18:11property that she brought over here, like an animal, like a dog, a cow, a water buffalo.
18:17And I was like, though, her thought process on her visa, it's in line with the idea that
18:23she can treat him however she wants, because he belongs to her.
18:28And I think that she's under the impression that when you bring somebody over here on
18:32a visa, it's like, you know, one of those third world countries where when you get married
18:36and that woman becomes your property, you can do with her as you wish.
18:39Right?
18:40Like, there's countries where you can hit a woman, and as long as she's your wife, there's
18:44no crime committed, right?
18:46There are countries where that happens.
18:48And I think that Angela is under the impression that visa people and green card people, people
18:52who come over here from another place, are property.
18:56And I don't know where she gets that, you know, because that's never been the case.
19:00They have legal rights, and they can gain citizenship, the same citizenship that she
19:05has, they can also gain.
19:08But I think that when she said that it was her visa, and she can revoke it as though
19:12she was the immigration department, she's the federal government.
19:15It started to shed a little light on her thought process.
19:18Yeah, she's disgusting.
19:20She is a vile human being.
19:22And if I don't ever see that bitch again, it will be way too soon.
19:25Yeah, like what she said about like her country, like with Kobe and stuff, I thought it was
19:32just making my blood boil as well.
19:33I'm like, I want to throw something at my TV right now.
19:37She said it as though it's her country and Kobe's not supposed to be here.
19:41Yeah.
19:42Like, that's the way she said it.
19:43She's like, well, this is America, this is my country, as though the past from other
19:47countries that were there in the room with her, they were guests.
19:51And I was like, these people have legal citizenship, they have legal stance to be here, you can't
19:55say this is your country.
19:56First of all, America doesn't belong to anyone.
19:58It was founded by immigrants, okay?
20:01Like they came up, nobody was from here but the Indians.
20:04So like, I don't know if she took history in school, but like, let's be realistic, nobody
20:09is from America unless you're a Native American, right?
20:13Like, you might have come here and been born here, but everyone migrated from somewhere
20:16else.
20:17So I don't know where her thought process is, where America belongs to her, and then
20:22she decides who she lets in and who she doesn't let in.
20:25Like, that's never been the way we run our borders, right?
20:28And I just think, and she had this altercation with Kobe, so I want to get into that too,
20:33where I didn't really see her take like a swing, like I heard before, but she really
20:38got close enough to where security had to get between them.
20:43So I wanted to get your thought process on that because Kobe was, you know, Kobe was
20:47standing his ground on how he felt about the way Angela was treating Michael throughout
20:52the season, not just at the tell-all, he was like, let's not pretend that this just started.
20:56Let's address your behavior from start to finish.
20:59And she refused to listen to anything.
21:02She would tell him to shut up.
21:03She started screaming, she started cussing.
21:05And then she got so close to his face, that security had to step in.
21:10And I wanted to get your reaction on that because Kobe's not her husband, okay?
21:15Like Kobe is Emily's husband, and Kobe could easily pull out his cell phone and call 911
21:21and say she's assaulting me.
21:23So what do you guys think about the fact that she felt that she had the right to get all
21:27up in this man's face?
21:29First of all, this season, like I loved Emily and Kobe before, but I absolutely fell in
21:36love with them all the way this season.
21:38Kobe's handled everything like a pro, like he knew exactly what's going on with everybody.
21:45He did so good.
21:46Emily was so, I mean, probably because she was the only sober one in the house, but she
21:51was like, literally able to help guide everybody.
21:56They were just like the perfect, the perfect piece of the puzzle.
22:01But when Angela got in Kobe's face and then, and she's cussing at him and she turned around
22:07and as she's screaming in his face, says, no disrespect, Emily.
22:13You want everyone's spouse to stand up for everyone's spouse.
22:17So if Emily wasn't pregnant, I would hope that she would have just went over there and
22:21beat the shit out of her.
22:25I'm pretty sure Emily would have gotten more involved if she wasn't eight months, like
22:31you said, eight and a half months pregnant.
22:32I think that she knows that getting physical was not going to help in that situation.
22:37But you know, every time that anything happened with Kobe, I noticed throughout the tell-all,
22:42whenever it started and then within 30 seconds, I could see Emily in the frame.
22:46And you know, that's how your spouse is supposed to be, right?
22:49Like if something is going down, and you're in another room and you hear it and you hear
22:54your spouse is screaming or someone is screaming at your spouse, just be present, right?
22:59That's exactly what I would expect a wife or husband to do.
23:02Just be there like, you might not need me, I think you can handle yourself, but you're
23:05going to have me here supporting you just in case you need me.
23:09And I saw that every, even when they were yelling by the pool table, Emily wasn't in
23:14the frame at first.
23:16And then within 30 seconds, Emily's standing right next to her man.
23:19And I was like, that's exactly how a spouse should defend people.
23:22But Angela is a hypocrite, right?
23:25Like she wants everyone to defend her.
23:27Absolutely, no one is allowed to defend Michael, right?
23:31Like I don't like the idea of that double standard.
23:34She's like, if anyone opens their mouth to say anything about Michael, even a biased
23:38or non-biased thing, they're like, oh, well, I just think that you should let him speak.
23:44Everything is wrong unless they're calling him a scammer.
23:47And that's an issue for me.
23:48And the fact tonight, she said that she was surprised.
23:52She was like, I just woke up and he was gone.
23:54And I was like, you're surprised that you woke up and he's gone after the way that you
23:59treated him.
24:00And the fact that he said that he walked five miles through the dark woods.
24:05That's fear, guys.
24:08That's fear.
24:09Can you imagine?
24:10Because if I'm scared, I might call an Uber.
24:13I might call a friend.
24:14I might.
24:15There's so many.
24:17He walked five miles through the woods.
24:21He said he walked five hours.
24:23That's probably more than five miles.
24:27He was, that poor guy was running his ass off.
24:30And he like almost got bitten by a dog, was it?
24:33Was it a dog?
24:34Yeah.
24:35I think he had mentioned and like, he like ran like Forrest Gump, like he was just out
24:40of there.
24:43That's fear.
24:44Okay, that's fear.
24:45He feared for his life.
24:46And the fact that he said he had to wait for Angela to leave, makes it leads me to believe
24:51that he wasn't allowed, he had no freedom to leave.
24:54Absolutely.
24:55Because he said, I waited for her to leave the house and I got my things.
24:58I was like, when you tell the story that way, it makes me believe that she wouldn't have
25:01given you the free will to leave on your own.
25:03Which is crazy to me.
25:04That's why when she was like, my worst nightmare happened, he left and I was like, no, it's
25:09not your worst nightmare.
25:10It's what you were trying to prevent.
25:12You were trying to prevent him from leaving and he figured out a way to leave and he got
25:16away.
25:17And now that he got away, he's gonna tell everybody what you did.
25:21That's why it's your worst nightmare because you had silenced him the entire tell all,
25:25we got zero evidence, zero information on what really happened in their marriage.
25:30Because every time this man opened his mouth, within three words, she shut him up and silenced
25:35him.
25:36Yeah.
25:37So I am so ready.
25:38I thought we were gonna get more of his side of the story.
25:40But what we got is enough.
25:42We will get it.
25:43It just won't be on TV.
25:44You'll just, we'll just have to follow him on social media.
25:47Hopefully he's on single life.
25:49He raised so much money, over 40 grand for his attorney.
25:53Hopefully he's got a kick-ass attorney.
25:55I hope he takes her to the cleaners.
25:56I hope that she is responsible for him in every way possible without him ever having
26:02to contact her.
26:03And I just, I wish him nothing but the best.
26:07Me too.
26:08I'm just happy that he got away.
26:11Because again, I kept seeing this online.
26:13They were like, if this was reverse roles, and it was a woman who was having to run away,
26:19like he, somebody would be in jail.
26:21We really do have to stop this double standard bullshit.
26:25We can't just allow people to get away with it because, oh, well, it's a man being abused
26:30and not a woman.
26:31We need to make the playing field even.
26:33I was saying this the other day on the other podcast, I was like, it's unfair that when
26:38a woman speaks up, you know, we created the Me Too movement.
26:40We make a platform, we have charities, we have shelters, we have everything to help
26:45women get out of these type of situations.
26:48But I heard a story from a man, actually in Ohio, my friend owned, well not owned, she
26:53started a nonprofit of battered women's shelter, and they would only take women and children.
26:59And I had heard from men who were trying to go into these shelters who were battered men,
27:03right?
27:04And they would send them away, one, because they were a man, or there was an exclusion
27:08where if you were a man and you had children with you, you could get in, but they would
27:12send single men away, back into the situation.
27:15And I'm just sick of it.
27:16I'm sick of this bullshit.
27:18And we need to protect everyone and make sure everyone is safe from abuse.
27:22It's not fair that we only protect women.
27:25We need to protect everybody.
27:26The playing field needs to be completely safe for everybody.
27:29Yeah, I've been saying it since she threw cake in his face or a drink in his face or
27:34like she dented these, it's been so much emotional damage, not more physical, but
27:40emotional damage that she's caused this poor man, like with his car, with the cake, with
27:46everything else leading up to it, like, I mean, I've been saying it, like, they need
27:51to remove her from the show, because this is not gonna, this would not be tolerated
27:56if the roles were reversed.
27:58And we live in, or we like to believe that we live in an equal, equal world.
28:04And things need to be on par, like it's not, it's not, it shouldn't be a double standard.
28:09Yeah, it's gone on, it's 2024, right?
28:13We are allowed to choose our gender, we're allowed to choose our orientation, why can't
28:17we all be given the same level of safety?
28:20Right?
28:21Absolutely.
28:22We need to make things fair.
28:24And watching and I'm hoping his story, because it's on such a bigger scale, right?
28:28So many more people are watching this, so many people took notice, just to open people's
28:31eyes, maybe people who, you know, turn the other way.
28:35You know, we have a blind eye to this.
28:37I was talking to someone the other day, and they were like, how many times, I think it
28:40was you, Gina, actually, how many times were you in Walmart, and somebody's wife was screaming
28:45at their husband, and we just kept scanning at the checkout and didn't do anything because
28:50it was a man being screamed at.
28:52It was Lana.
28:53Oh, Lana.
28:54On the other podcast, yeah, we're quiet, we're not, we're not too crazy here in Canada, we're
29:00crazy, but not that crazy.
29:03It's crazy.
29:04You go to Walmart, you see some crazy stuff here, right?
29:06Like you see crazy stuff.
29:08But this for real, we need to start talking to congressmen, we need to start every state,
29:14we need to get a law in place that protects men and women.
29:18The laws are there for women.
29:19And I think that's amazing, right?
29:21Because a lot of times the women are stuck in this situation.
29:24But look at this situation, Michael was stuck to the point where he had to escape, like
29:28escaping from a kidnapper.
29:31That's how serious that this was.
29:33And it's like, we're just turning a blind eye.
29:35Like it's not that serious because of his gender, and it's super annoying.
29:40And it's scary, because what if this didn't end this way?
29:43What if he didn't get out?
29:44You know how many people are unable to get out of this situation, and then there's physical
29:47harm, or they lose their life, or things like that.
29:52Like we need to really start understanding the severity, especially when it comes to
29:58people who come from other countries, because these people are at the mercy of whoever brought
30:04them here.
30:05And I think this is because Jasmine brought it up too.
30:07She was like, can you imagine coming over here, and you have no one, you have no family,
30:11you have no friends, you have no money, and then the person who brought you here hates
30:15you.
30:16Can you imagine how that must feel?
30:19Like you're here.
30:20You can't leave.
30:21I mean, if you do leave, you can't come back.
30:23And that's only if they allow you to leave, because you need their money to leave.
30:27And obviously, Angela didn't want him to leave.
30:29So he couldn't.
30:30So it's like, it's a really scary thought, because you know, if we feel like unsafe,
30:34we can get in our car and leave, we can call an Uber, we have that power.
30:39These people come over here and for a long period of time have zero power to protect
30:43themselves or remove themselves from a bad situation.
30:46And a lot of them don't know what their rights are either.
30:48Right?
30:49That's true.
30:50A lot of them, they don't know the laws.
30:52And they're terrified of the police and the government because when they come over here,
30:56for some reason, they think that anything that they do is going to get them sent back.
31:00Because there's like a stigma where don't get arrested or don't call the police because
31:06you're the immigrant, you're going to get sent back.
31:08That's not true.
31:09If you're the one, if you're the victim, the law is here to protect you.
31:12But they don't realize that because they don't know the law.
31:14They don't know that.
31:16Yep.
31:17Yep.
31:18So it's a big advocate for sure.
31:21So Sophie and Rob were talking about therapy.
31:24So we already know what the setup was for that tonight.
31:26They were talking about, oh, where I was like, oh, I'm in therapy.
31:29And I was like, that's ironic.
31:30The only person I think should be in therapy is Sophie or whatever.
31:33So he's in therapy.
31:34He asked her to go to therapy and she agreed.
31:36So obviously, we know what that means.
31:38We're going to see them.
31:39We knew this on The Last Resort.
31:42We don't know when though, because apparently there's a weird thing going around because
31:47the previews and commercials for Before the 90 Days said, the commercial says it comes
31:52on Sunday.
31:53The bottom of the screen tonight, it said Thursday.
31:56When you Google it, it says Sunday.
31:59I'm really confused.
32:00And then it says the next Sunday, not this Sunday.
32:03So I don't think anything comes on this Sunday.
32:05I'm really confused at what's going on.
32:08Oh, it might be because of Labor Day long weekend.
32:13It says it starts September 1st, all over everything.
32:19Because when I Googled it, it said September 5th.
32:22So I'm really confused.
32:23And it's always been Sunday.
32:24I want to say ever since I've watched the show ever since season one, it's always been
32:28Sunday.
32:29The spinoffs have been spread out between Monday and Tuesday.
32:33But on the bottom of the screen tonight, throughout the part five, it said, new season starting
32:40Thursdays.
32:42So I don't know what any of this means.
32:44So I don't know where we're going to be watching, if they're going to let us stream it.
32:48Because I know tomorrow on Max, you can stream all of the Tell All five parts uncensored.
32:54So the cursing, they're not going to censor it.
32:57I guess that's like the, I'm sorry, apology.
32:59They're giving all the people for not letting them watch it on streaming.
33:03They're giving you all five at once tomorrow, uncensored.
33:07But that doesn't make anything better.
33:09There's so many people who are a month and a week behind on their favorite show.
33:14And there's absolutely no excuse for them to do that.
33:17I'm still pissed.
33:18I have so many people messaging me saying they can't watch.
33:22Everything I'm saying is saying Sunday, September 1st, on TV and Max.
33:30So that's this Sunday, right?
33:32Okay, so we'll see.
33:34We'll see.
33:35I'm gonna send my DVR to just to make sure that it's there.
33:39But yeah, it said on the show tonight on live TV, it said Thursdays.
33:44So I was like, I don't understand what's going on with that.
33:47But Gino and Jasmine are also going to be on The Last Resort.
33:53So we're going to see Gino and Jasmine, Ashley and Manuel, and Rob and Sophie on The Last
33:58Resort.
33:59So those three people will be back.
34:01I believe The Last Resort is going to premiere immediately after The Other Way on Mondays.
34:08So we still have a ways to go because I think The Other Way has 20 episodes, right?
34:12And we're only on like eight.
34:13So we still have a ways to go.
34:15Yeah, we're only on like eight, next week will be nine.
34:19So we have a ways or tomorrow will be nine.
34:21So we have a ways to go before The Last Resort starts.
34:23But what what happened tonight that we really, really need to discuss because this is kind
34:27of end of chapter for Happily Ever After.
34:30So we're gonna we're gonna be closing off shop for this season.
34:33So what do we really need to talk about?
34:35Well, first of all, the bullshit lie detector test.
34:38That was so fake and phony.
34:42So fake and phony.
34:43That's not how lie detector tests are administered.
34:45He's been on other lie detector shows.
34:49I've seen that guy before.
34:50Really?
34:51Who was administrating the lie detector test.
34:53Yes, he has.
34:54And in every, that's where I'm going with this.
34:57Every single show he's ever been on, he's in a quiet, secluded room.
35:04Because there's too many things that can interfere, and they don't wrap nothing around
35:09their chest.
35:10It's little things like EKG stuff that they put on them, finger monitors, and they monitor
35:15what they monitor their breathing, they monitor their, sorry, my light fell.
35:25They monitor their breathing and the way their legs move and, you know, to see if they're
35:29doing anything to like, you know, try to alter the test.
35:34But it's in a secluded room, there can't be any other noises or any outside influences
35:38or anything like that.
35:39So that was the most bullshit thing I've ever seen.
35:43Well, the first thing he said that caught me off guard was Jasmine was like, how accurate
35:48is this?
35:49Or might not have been Jasmine.
35:50And he said 100% accurate.
35:51I was like, well, first of all, nothing is 100% accurate, right?
35:56Like, even as far as technology as we can send people to the moon, we cannot guarantee
36:01100% accuracy.
36:03Jack Tramarco was the world renowned expert in lie detector testing, God rest his soul,
36:11he passed away.
36:12But even he said, there's never a lie detector test that is going to be 100%.
36:19He said, you're lucky if it's 95 and above, that's good enough.
36:25And that's-
36:26Well, yeah, they don't have misdemeanor court because of that percentage of doubt, right?
36:32Just like if you take a paternity test, they're only gonna give you 99.9%.
36:36There is a 0.01% chance it's wrong, right?
36:40Like there's no scientific certainty in that.
36:42And then I thought that you're supposed to ask filler questions first, like, what's your
36:48first name?
36:50What town were you born in, you know, questions that to gauge a person's response.
36:55And then that's how you gauge, you know, if they're telling the truth or not, because
36:59you gauge that response against one of the other questions to see if anything changed.
37:04It was bullshit.
37:05But I also felt like, what was the point of having him there?
37:08If you were going to give people the opportunity to not take the test?
37:13I was pissed.
37:14I was just like, what is the point of this?
37:16One thing I want to point out, last episode, when she brought up the PI, and they found
37:24nothing on Michael, found out that he was being honest and all that stuff.
37:28Right before the PI read the results, she says, y'all are about to find out everything
37:33I've been going through and finding out.
37:35I hope I'm wrong.
37:36I hope I'm wrong.
37:37God proved me wrong.
37:38Y'all fuck off.
37:39I'm out of here.
37:40Well, I felt like she was counting on him being a scammer, which is really weird to
37:50me because I was like, well, if you just don't want to be with him anymore, just don't be
37:54with him anymore.
37:55You can't make him out to be something that he's not because she was like, oh, I hope
37:59I'm wrong.
38:00I hope he's a good guy.
38:01Because that was even more weird because when she said, oh, my worst nightmare, I was like,
38:05the way you treated him, him leaving was the biggest favor that he's ever done for you
38:10because Skyla's was like, my mom is miserable and angry and unhappy and aggressive.
38:14And I was like, well, Skyla, that's her anyway.
38:17But in this situation, she's still angry, miserable, aggressive, and unhappy.
38:21So him leaving should have made things better because every second that she dealt with him,
38:27I'm sure her blood, I can't imagine what her primary care doctor has to say.
38:30Can you imagine what her blood pressure is like on a regular day?
38:33She is always so high, strong, screaming and angry and smoking.
38:37I can't imagine that any of this has been good for her health.
38:40Like him leaving her is like the best thing that has ever happened to her, right?
38:46Yep.
38:47Absolutely.
38:48And him, right?
38:49I feel like this is definitely where both people win, right?
38:56Because I feel like Angela has been unhappy for a really long time.
39:00Like we've been watching her for seven years and that giddy, happy Angela we haven't seen
39:04in like five years.
39:05It actually started when they got married.
39:08When they got married, she's been angry, pissy, aggressive, rude, nasty, vile.
39:13When she first met him, when she first went to Nigeria, she was really happy.
39:18That was the only time I've ever seen her happy was at the airport when she hugged him,
39:23he hugged her.
39:24And then from that point forward, she threw cake in his face and treated him like shit.
39:28Right, right.
39:29Actually, before she met him in person is when she was the happiest, right?
39:33Because I remember how giddy she was.
39:35She would talk to the camera and she called him her sexy Nigerian and how excited she
39:40was and she would hold up the paperwork.
39:43She's like, I'm going to get my man.
39:45And then that Angela has been gone for so long, you'd have to Google it to figure out
39:50who that person is.
39:51She has been so pissy and angry.
39:52And it's like, if somebody gets under your skin that much, the best thing for you to
39:56do is be away from that person.
39:59And I feel like she might not feel this way, but this is the best move for her.
40:05But literally, she's a nasty, pissy person to everyone that doesn't say what she wants
40:13to hear and or defends Michael.
40:16If either of those happen, if you're not saying, you're so beautiful, God bless you, Queen,
40:21then you're the devil and you can go straight to hell in her eyes.
40:25Yeah.
40:26I'm just glad.
40:27She has been a two year old.
40:31She just smokes and drinks and God knows what else.
40:36She's disgusting.
40:39So apparently, there was something Shaboody posted earlier.
40:44He said that apparently the night that they weren't at the Tell All mansion, they said
40:50that Michael said in his interview, they had a huge fight.
40:54And apparently there were pictures that surfaced on X of her hands, and her hands have bruises
41:01like on the finger right here around the knuckle area.
41:04There's been a lot of speculation that that fight was physical.
41:11So what do you guys think about that?
41:12Because when they arrived, there clearly was an altercation.
41:15Michael admitted he was like, and she did too, she was like, that first night when y'all
41:19all came to the house, we were here, but we got into a huge fight.
41:22It wouldn't have been good for us to be there.
41:24And then they showed up the second day.
41:26Do you think there's any truth to the speculation going around?
41:28Because some people are saying that there is an altercation that happened between them.
41:33And it's like being covered up.
41:36Like they're saying that production knew about it.
41:39And instead of putting a stop to it and not filming with them, it was swept under the
41:44rug.
41:45That's what's going around X on Twitter.
41:46So what do you guys think about that?
41:47I agree.
41:48I saw her laying in the bed.
41:50The only time I ever agreed with her when she threw her crown off and said, I'm not
41:54a fucking queen.
41:55I was like, damn Shaboody, that's the only time I ever agreed with her and she's laying
42:00there and her hands are all scratched up.
42:02And all I could think was she went after him and he tried to stop her and she's yanking
42:07her half broken fingernails away from him.
42:10And she obviously bruises easily with her thin skin and no morals.
42:15She probably bruises very easy.
42:19You know, I'm sure that she was kicking his ass and it got swept under the rug.
42:24I can see an altercation from occurring, but like with her anger issues, wouldn't he have
42:30any physical marks like bruises or whatnot, which she didn't show?
42:36I think she brought that on herself, possibly inflicted these wounds on her, like the bruises
42:43to make people feel sorry for her at the same time.
42:45Like, oh my God, what happened?
42:46Because that's what a normal person's reaction is going to be like, oh my God, what happened?
42:50What did you do?
42:51I'm totally not normal because I saw that and I thought, man, I hope she got her ass
42:57beat.
42:58I'm like, Laura, no.
42:59We can't.
43:00I do too.
43:01I do too.
43:02But let's face it, Angela has more anger issues than Michael does and Michael would have been
43:08like twice as beaten.
43:10So that's all I'm saying.
43:11There was no evidence of that, that he was physically harmed.
43:15Good.
43:16But at the same time.
43:17That we know of yet.
43:18We'll say that.
43:19That we know of yet.
43:20Emotionally harmed, yes, physically not on that scene where they got into the altercation
43:27or whatnot.
43:28I mean, and bruises can be places you can't see them, you know, like, they're not always
43:34somewhere that you can see them.
43:36A lot of times, you know, they're on your back, on your shoulder, somewhere that you
43:41can't see.
43:42But I don't want to speculate.
43:43I just think she did it herself so she can feel because everybody was so pathetic towards
43:47Michael.
43:48She wanted that empathy back at her type of thing at the same time.
43:53Her statements have said, everybody thinks I'm this evil mean B, B word, and I'm not
43:58and I'm crazy.
43:59So it would be like, oh, well, let me show them, you know, I'm not as crazy, which it
44:04backfired because watching these five parts of the tell-all, it's really solidified that,
44:10you know, we don't think she's okay, right?
44:14And this relationship was never okay.
44:17And because she kept saying on her live, she's like, you just have to watch the full season
44:20and the tell-all and you'll understand and you'll be on my side.
44:22And now here we are, after watching the full season and the tell-alls, all five of them,
44:26and we're like, so no, what are we supposed to be doing?
44:31Did you see that live that surfaced recently, if not, I'll send it to you, that surfaced
44:38recently about she made some comment about she borrowed money from TLC.
44:45And there's some, I'll send it to you.
44:49Some discrepancy.
44:50It's on TikTok.
44:51Some discrepancy over what she owes Michael and her borrowing money from TLC.
44:57And so if that's, I mean, if there's any truth to the words out of her own mouth, then that
45:03explains why TLC kept her for so long because she owed them.
45:07Whoa.
45:08Okay.
45:09Yes.
45:10Interesting.
45:11Send, send.
45:12Send, send.
45:13Yeah.
45:14If you are taking pay advances, or borrowing money against them, so yeah, they would need
45:20to continue filming with you to guarantee you're going to pay them back or to make that
45:25loan whole.
45:27And also, should a company be doing something like that?
45:30Should a company be advancing people money like that?
45:34I don't know if there's any truth to it.
45:36That's words out of Angela's mouth.
45:37And I don't believe a damn thing she says.
45:44Because again, she's been trying very difficult to get people to see things from her perspective,
45:50her point of view.
45:51She wants people to see her as the victim in this situation.
45:54I think Michael's GoFundMe account shows us that people do not see that, right?
46:00Like people are not seeing her as a victim.
46:02And they've chosen Michael as the person that they want to support here.
46:07We will be following very closely the court case of the, well, she filed for an annulment.
46:15He countered for a divorce with spousal support and fair division of assets.
46:21So he's coming after her money, her car, everything, and spousal support, which is very crazy because
46:28she doesn't have a job outside of TLC.
46:31Monthly spousal support is a monthly thing.
46:33You'll fall behind.
46:34And if you're not steadily working, it will be hard to keep up.
46:37But I don't think Michael's worried about that.
46:39I think Michael wants to prove, you know, look, this is how you treated me.
46:43This is what you did.
46:44This is what I deserve.
46:46And I'm going to come for what I deserve.
46:48And I'm glad that he is able to find his voice and be able to do this because I feel like
46:53he's lived in fear for so long.
46:56He never in a million years would have done it.
46:59Five years ago, this would have never crossed his mind.
47:01He wouldn't have had the balls to do it.
47:02And I feel like now he's gotten stronger and he knows what he deserves and he's going
47:08after her.
47:09And I think it's amazing.
47:10And he has the support.
47:11You know, he has the support of the fans.
47:12He has a good lawyer.
47:13They posted who his lawyer was.
47:14I saw her credentials.
47:16She's an amazing lawyer.
47:17I'm just, I'm very hopeful for him.
47:20Right?
47:21100%.
47:22Me too.
47:23Oh, what court is it?
47:27I think the court is in Texas, if I heard correctly.
47:31I'll get Shabuti to post the court documents.
47:33Actually, I believe 90 Day FOMO posted the full court docket.
47:39So it'll give you the court, the county, all of the motions, the counter motion, everything
47:46is there for you to read.
47:48So you'll be able, and then as it goes along, since it's a divorce, this will be a public
47:54record.
47:55So we'll be able to go along and we'll be able to read motions and injunctions and judgments.
48:00So we'll actually be able to follow along and see the process.
48:03And you know, these typical cases don't last years, right?
48:07Divorces usually don't last years.
48:08So we might have a resolution within a few months, right?
48:12Like because I can't imagine that Angela would want to drag this on because the longer that
48:16courts have time to gather evidence against her, the worse it's going to go for her, right?
48:21Yeah.
48:22Well, Judy says, I thought it was in Georgia because that's where they both resided.
48:25See, I thought that he filed his motions in Texas, where he lived.
48:31So you know what?
48:32I don't know.
48:33I'm going to say this.
48:34I don't know.
48:35Because when you're married, but you live in two different states, you're 100% right.
48:38I don't know which court you would have to go to.
48:42She filed in Georgia.
48:44He filed in Texas.
48:45I'm not sure how that works.
48:46So yeah, we're going to have to-
48:48She had to serve like publicly, like, because he didn't know about it.
48:52Like, if you recall, he didn't know about it.
48:55So then basically, she had to file it in Georgia, where she lives in the state.
49:01And then he found out about it through other people, I guess, and that's how he found out
49:06about it.
49:08And where he was living is in Texas now, right?
49:10Or whatnot, or who knows?
49:12Yeah.
49:13Yeah.
49:14I don't want to say where.
49:15I don't know.
49:16I'm so, I'm not good at this.
49:17We've been, like, I've been, we've been on a crash course in, like, legal stuff with
49:21this lately, because I haven't realized how uneducated I am until we're getting into the
49:26legal stuff of, like, divorce and annulments and visas.
49:30And I'm like, man, I really need to educate myself, because there's so many questions
49:33I don't know.
49:34I just recently found out that GoFundMes are not taxable.
49:39So they're considered gifts.
49:41You just, you report it to the IRS as a gift, and then you don't actually have to pay any
49:48taxes.
49:49And we were talking about that on the last podcast.
49:50I think, Jeannie, you were there.
49:51Yeah.
49:52You only have to report it if it's over $6,000.
49:56Well, right, but they don't take, like, a percentage of it out, because I thought that
50:01you had to pay, like, straight taxes on, like, income, but you don't.
50:05So that's amazing.
50:06He's literally, oh, and one more thing before we end, because we're gonna run out of time.
50:10There's a photo going around, Sarah Fraser has a podcast on it, too, of Michael in front
50:15of a red Mercedes Benz.
50:18And Scott, E. Scott, made a comment on the photo and said, why is he asking for money
50:26if he drives a Mercedes?
50:27So first of all, that's alleged.
50:29We don't know that he drives a Mercedes.
50:30We know he took a picture in front of a Mercedes.
50:33And even if so, if he did buy a Mercedes, say, for instance, he purchased this Mercedes
50:39with the money from the show before he knew about this court case, is it wrong that he
50:45spent his money on a vehicle before he knew he was going to incur legal fees?
50:49Because he didn't know about it.
50:51She filed in May.
50:52He didn't know about it until August.
50:53Why the hell?
50:54So it is very possible.
50:55He doesn't have anything to say about anybody.
50:57Well, yeah, right.
50:58I'm not exactly sure where Scott has us led to stand on by speaking on anything going
51:04on with anyone.
51:05But of all people, he's the one saying, oh, well, he's asking for money and driving around
51:10in a really expensive car.
51:12He wants his clout.
51:13He just wants to be on that clout, too.
51:15That's why he jumped on that gravy train.
51:18I definitely think pictures are worth a million words and unique context.
51:24I know people that take pictures in front of Ferraris that are parked in the mall parking
51:28lot that don't belong to them.
51:30So I have no idea where this car came from.
51:34You know what?
51:35I was at Disney, and there was a Cybertruck.
51:38And I stood next to the Cybertruck, and I took a selfie.
51:40I don't own a Cybertruck, guys.
51:42It was just parks.
51:44I have a picture with Brad Paisley and Mickey Mouse, and I don't own either one of them.
51:49Exactly.
51:50Exactly.
51:51So I don't want to speculate anything.
51:53So there's a bunch of podcasts.
51:54So that's going to be something that people are going to be discussing.
51:57It's going around.
51:58So hopefully somebody can secure an interview with Michael so we can we can just hear from
52:04him.
52:05Right.
52:06And I think it would be important that we hear from him.
52:07He's been silent.
52:08And I know with the court case, there's a lot he can't talk about.
52:11But it would be good if Michael was able to at least voice some of what's going on and
52:16answer some questions because I don't like when people come after people's character
52:19with no proof.
52:20Right.
52:21I don't like that.
52:22I don't like character assassination.
52:25I don't like that.
52:26Like if you have proof, that's one thing.
52:27But if you just want to assassinate someone's character because you don't like them, I don't
52:31condone that.
52:32I don't condone it whatsoever.
52:34Yep.
52:36We all know how I feel about Scott.
52:38Of all people, he knows how to just put himself in anybody's business and never taking care
52:50of his business.
52:51But he's forever present in other people's business as though it's his job, which we
52:59don't really know if he has a real one.
53:01We don't know.
53:02But this is like his job.
53:03This is what he does.
53:05Okay, so this is going to be the end of chapter for Happily Ever After for the season, but
53:09not for all this crazy drama going on with Angela and Michael.
53:13So you know, we're going to keep doing updates on the Angela and Michael case as it goes
53:17through the court system.
53:19It's very early.
53:20I don't even think there's any like dates or anything set.
53:23But as it goes along, you know, we are going to be talking about all of it.
53:28I'm so interested, you know, like I'm not into like political or legal stuff.
53:32I don't follow cases, but I'm following this.
53:35I want to know what is going on.
53:36I want to know if he's going to get his spousal support, how much, you know, I have so many
53:40questions and this is going to be like, and what if they get a judge and the judge makes
53:44an example out of Angela, like there's just so many different scenarios that I'm looking
53:48forward to.
53:49But as for Happily Ever After this season, it's closed.
53:54It was good.
53:55It was decent.
53:56I'm looking forward to before the 90 days.
53:58There's I think six new couples, new, new, no repeats.
54:02No recycling bin, no goodwill, no goodwill reshop.
54:08This is all new.
54:09I'm really excited for that.
54:11So we're going to be doing a podcast on that as soon as it comes on.
54:14I'm really excited for that.
54:15And then we're going to keep doing the other way.
54:19And Dee Dee will be back with us at some point, hopefully soon.
54:23Thank you to Gina for being here with us tonight.
54:25Thank you to Cara for being here.
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