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Former ISI chief Faiz Hameed embroiled in Top City case | Kashif Abbasi's Analysis

" Faiz Hameed Ka Maamla Idaray Ka Androoni Maamla Hai " Is Se PTI Ka Koi Talluq Nahi, Sheikh Waqas

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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16Today's biggest news came from the side of ISPR.
00:21Generally, everything said by ISPR is big news.
00:26But this was a bigger news than that.
00:28When it was said that General Faiz Hameed, a former DGSI, a former Lieutenant General, has been arrested.
00:35A court-martial against him, a general court-martial has been initiated.
00:39In the Supreme Court, the Top City case was a case of human rights.
00:44In which allegations were put on General Faiz Hameed.
00:47And the Supreme Court had decided at that time and had said that through the Ministry of Defense,
00:53and in the same light, in the light of the Supreme Court's decision,
00:57detailed investigations were done.
00:59And the case was initiated under the Army Act.
01:02As I said, General Faiz Hameed's general court-martial has been initiated.
01:09Who is General Faiz Hameed?
01:11Why is he being called so extraordinary?
01:13When was the last time you heard that a Lieutenant General,
01:16especially a former DGSI, has been arrested?
01:21Or has he been court-martialed?
01:23This news has never passed through our eyes.
01:26I am sure it will never pass through your eyes.
01:28Not just that it was a Top City case.
01:30It was also said that on several occasions, even after retirement,
01:35he was found guilty of violating the Pakistan Army Act on several occasions.
01:41That is, even after retirement, the Army Act, he also violated it.
01:45I am sure it would have been seen more closely.
01:48Even when he was a DGSI, he violated a lot of things.
01:52There is a complete history of General Faiz.
01:55If you ask the people of today,
01:59if you ask the common people,
02:01one name or two names that they know from our armed forces,
02:05one name will be of General Faiz.
02:07And the reason for this was his involvement in politics.
02:11The establishment army should have nothing to do with politics.
02:15This is a very old position of mine.
02:19And I am sure many people agree with it.
02:22But what happened?
02:24General Faiz was a DGSI between 2016 and 2018.
02:29During this time, he also held elections in 2018.
02:32He had questions on the elections.
02:34South Punjab was made.
02:36How people were broken from one party and joined another party.
02:39Even before that, interference in politics,
02:42political cases were made against him.
02:46Punishments were given.
02:48And you will remember that Maikama Zaraat was very popular at that time.
02:51Maikama Zaraat had become a joke.
02:54Because when someone was pressured to change his loyalty,
02:58that politician initially held a press conference.
03:03Later he said that it was a mistake.
03:06They were from Maikama Zaraat.
03:08So there was interference to this extent.
03:10After 2018 elections, Tehreek-e-Insaf became a government.
03:13And this was repeatedly told in the last 3-3.5 years.
03:17At that time and even after that.
03:18How General Faiz, as DGSI, played a political role in running that government.
03:23At one time, when votes were needed for the government members,
03:28people were locked up in rooms.
03:30So that they can vote the next day.
03:32On different bills, on different laws,
03:34vote of confidence, all these votes were completed.
03:37And a lot of help was given.
03:39At that time, the Prime Minister used to say that
03:42he has kept the whole government together.
03:45And he has kept everyone together for a long time.
03:48So if you want to see things after retirement,
03:51then you can also see things before retirement.
03:53In that too, you will see a difference between Halaf and other political matters.
03:59I don't know if any action can be taken on this or not.
04:03But General Faiz certainly played a political role
04:08during his tenure as DGSI or DGISI.
04:14Now the field court, the court-martial has started.
04:16Let's see what kind of news it is.
04:18How fast this court-martial will go ahead.
04:20What decision will be given.
04:21And where will the matters go ahead?
04:23We will keep an eye on this.
04:24The second thing we want to discuss today is the Supreme Court's decision.
04:29According to which, the decision of the Election Commission was revoked.
04:32And three seats, which were given to Tariq-e-Insaf
04:35according to the decision of Lahore High Court,
04:37were given back to Muslim League Noon.
04:39When I say given back, these initial seats were not of Noon.
04:43These seats were won by people of Independent, i.e. Tariq-e-Insaf
04:48in the 8th February election.
04:50The High Court said that if the process of the election is complete,
04:54then the Election Commission cannot intervene.
04:57This was written in the initial decision of the High Court.
05:00But the Supreme Court has given a decision of 2-1.
05:05Justice Aqeel Ahmed Abbasi upheld the decision of the High Court
05:10and said that the decision of the High Court was correct
05:13and the Election Commission did not have the power.
05:16But two judges, Justice Qazi Faizi and Justice Naeem Akhtar Afghan
05:21have given this decision.
05:23What was the interesting story in this recount?
05:26After the 8th February election,
05:28N. A. 154 Lodhna, Independent candidate of Tariq-e-Insaf,
05:33Rana Faraz Noon, won by 134,937 votes.
05:38Abdur Rahman Kanju Sahib won by 1,28,438 votes and came second.
05:45The difference was 6,500 votes.
05:48It was recounted.
05:50After the recount, Abdur Rahman Kanju Sahib won by 1,27,000 votes.
05:56The difference was 4,500 votes.
06:00Rana Faraz Noon won by 1,20,683 votes.
06:06From 1,34,000 to 1,20,683.
06:12The seat was given to Noon by 14,000-15,000 votes.
06:18N. A. 81 Gujranwala also won by 1,09,900 votes and came second.
06:28By 1,17,700 votes, Independent candidate of Tariq-e-Insaf, Bilal Ijaz won.
06:34The difference was 7,790 votes.
06:36It was recounted.
06:38In this recount, Noon won.
06:42N. A. 89 Gujranwala also won.
06:50By 4,388 votes, Independent candidate of Tariq-e-Insaf, Hassan Mirk won.
06:58Zulfiqar Ahmed won.
07:01I think that the Supreme Court should not only decide on the Election Commission.
07:06The person who was appointed to count the votes,
07:10who counted 20,000 votes wrongly,
07:14where out of 120,000 votes, 14,000 were counted wrongly,
07:21and Tariq-e-Insaf's votes were counted wrongly.
07:26We should look at how all this happened.
07:29There is a lot of debate.
07:31We should look at how all this happened.
07:34We should look at how all this happened.
07:37We should look at how all this happened.
07:40We should look at how all this happened.
07:43We should look at how all this happened.
07:46We should look at how all this happened.
07:49We should look at how all this happened.
07:52We should look at how all this happened.
07:55We should look at how all this happened.
07:58We should look at how all this happened.
08:29So, you don't see any connection in this?
08:33What connection?
08:34It's your own.
08:35No, it's not our connection.
08:37It's not our connection.
08:39Have you ever heard of a Lieutenant General, a three-star, a former DGI,
08:44it's a ground-breaking news that he has been arrested?
08:47The court-martial has begun.
08:49I don't think so.
08:50The court-martial has begun.
08:51So, it can't be just what you see.
08:53We think that this is an internal matter of their institution.
08:57Yes, it's true that a way is opening up,
09:00that if the court-martial is being done to the Lieutenant Generals,
09:04then it's okay.
09:05They think that their institution is better.
09:07They think that the Supreme Court's decision is better.
09:09Whatever they did, it's their own matter.
09:11This is a good tradition, by the way.
09:13Tomorrow, it can be like this.
09:14Look at more people.
09:15Those people should move out of their way.
09:17They should go against the law.
09:19Whether they are Lieutenant Generals or DGIs.
09:21Whoever they are, sir.
09:22Whoever they are, they should move out of their way.
09:26Whether they are in favor of any party,
09:28which has no political role,
09:31whether they are in our favor or theirs,
09:34whatever is illegal and illegal,
09:37it was wrong yesterday and it is wrong today.
09:39How do you see it?
09:40Doctor.
09:41As far as Sheikh's case is concerned,
09:44I agree that this is an internal matter of the institution.
09:48Neither is it in the direction of the government,
09:52nor is it in our desire,
09:54nor is it in their desire.
09:55No one is doing anything on this issue.
09:57No one should be concerned.
09:59Why are you asking us?
10:01You know that too.
10:02We are saying that what is happening,
10:04maybe you know what is happening.
10:05On a serious note,
10:06jokes aside,
10:07the fact is that this is an internal matter.
10:09Secondly,
10:11no one can deny that
10:15General Faiz Hamid played a very important role in the 2018 elections.
10:21But he has not been arrested.
10:23Neither has the court martial.
10:25I am telling you.
10:26He kept calling you to join the party in the 2018 elections.
10:30Right.
10:31Sheikh sir.
10:32Right.
10:33No comment.
10:34I am telling you.
10:35I am talking politically.
10:37You have asked a question,
10:38so you know the technical part.
10:40You are talking about the court martial.
10:43No one will tell you what is happening.
10:45No,
10:46the court martial is not based on the government.
10:48These are the internal matters of the army.
10:50And it is not based on the government?
10:52You have so many grievances.
10:54Government grievances are what I am talking to you about.
10:57On one hand,
10:58you are saying that Sheikh sir's civilians are not being arrested.
11:01Then why are you complaining?
11:02I did not do it.
11:03You are saying that people are being arrested.
11:05The whole party is saying that the government is doing a lot of injustice.
11:08Arrests are being made every day.
11:09I am talking about the civilians.
11:12No,
11:13we are being complained every day.
11:14We have heard complaints.
11:15We have resolved them.
11:16We just found out that Ajay Imtiaz sir has been arrested.
11:19And after that we found out that...
11:21He was arrested from the airport.
11:22No,
11:23he was arrested first.
11:24Then he was arrested.
11:25Then we found out that his companions had kidnapped him from an unknown place.
11:28And you agreed to this.
11:29I did not agree,
11:30I did not agree,
11:31I did not agree,
11:32but later it was proven true
11:33that Ajay sir is being arrested from the airport.
11:35It means that...
11:36It means that the person who does not have an exit control list,
11:38the person who does not have a passport,
11:40the person who was running away from the airport,
11:42was arrested.
11:43He reached the airport.
11:44He reached the airport.
11:45He said that I will not request,
11:46they will let me sit without a passport.
11:47He was close to the passport.
11:49He was close to it.
11:50What can he do?
11:51He was not taken to the airport.
11:52He was not taken to the airport.
11:53He did not go to Lariade,
11:54he went to the airport.
11:55Which means that he went with the passport.
11:56Sir,
11:57he can give a good example.
11:58Sir,
11:59we have a committee on the floor of the house.
12:00His companion from Islamabad,
12:01Anju Bakir Khan sir,
12:02you may remember,
12:03he was also taken from the police station by his companion.
12:05This happens in Pakistan.
12:06It happens.
12:07Sometimes.
12:08We have an example.
12:10It can happen.
12:11He says it can happen.
12:12Sir,
12:13everything can happen in his government.
12:14There is no prohibition in his government.
12:15Everything can happen here.
12:16As much as it has happened in his government,
12:18it is not happening that much.
12:19It is decreasing.
12:20No,
12:21it is happening.
12:22It is decreasing.
12:23But in your government,
12:24the heroines also kept increasing.
12:25Sir,
12:26don't do this.
12:27No one went to this level.
12:28No,
12:29no one went to that level.
12:30But you also,
12:31everyone has achieved their heights.
12:32No,
12:33listen to me.
12:34You have achieved your height.
12:35Sir,
12:36listen to me.
12:37He has achieved his height.
12:38There is no problem
12:39with the heroines of this,
12:40but he also invented the method.
12:41There are thousands of cases
12:42in Punjab.
12:43And in all those cases,
12:44there are hundreds of workers
12:45who are present.
12:46And there are people
12:47in our MP's general council
12:48who are present
12:49who were accused
12:50of the innocence of the woman.
12:51So,
12:52he has kept this tradition
12:53continually.
12:54They are good people.
12:55That's not a problem.
12:56They have done everything.
12:57Not even this.
12:58Sir,
12:59the problem is
13:00that they make old mistakes
13:01and no one wants
13:02to make a new one.
13:03They say
13:04that
13:05the method exists.
13:06They say
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