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00:00:00The New York Times, this past Sunday, there was an article about the first black punk
00:00:16rock group called Death in the 70s and they found these old recordings and they have an
00:00:21album that they put out now that pictures these guys back in the 70s, one of them died
00:00:26and now I'm dying to hear this fucking group's music.
00:00:29What were they called?
00:00:30They were called Death.
00:00:56The quick version of the Death story is almost like the tease at the beginning of a movie
00:01:04trailer.
00:01:05Three black guys in the 70s from Detroit, Michigan, blood brothers.
00:01:11Three black cats from Detroit played heavy punk rock and roll.
00:01:16It's pretty hard to be black playing rock in Detroit because they were sort of stereotyped
00:01:20into you had to be Motown if you were black.
00:01:27Death's music was definitely ahead of its time.
00:01:30They really predated what we know as the punk movement.
00:01:35Nobody was making music like that in 73.
00:01:38They have to be properly credited as being visionaries.
00:01:46To have a record that is so perfect in its innovation, it makes it all the more shocking
00:01:51that it didn't manage to find a way to come out then.
00:01:55They're kind of like the unknown soldiers of rock.
00:01:59They're recordings that they were simply put away.
00:02:02There's been hardcore history sitting up in that attic and no one's known about it.
00:02:07Thirty years after the fact, we're just now discovering this band that had been sort of
00:02:11lying in wait.
00:02:12It's such a great story and it's punk rock.
00:03:42This is our old friend that we grew up with.
00:03:53They telling the story about death.
00:03:56You remember that?
00:03:57I'm still here.
00:03:58No, no.
00:03:59They telling the story about our old band that we used to drive y'all crazy with all
00:04:04of our loud music.
00:04:05Yeah, I remember that.
00:04:06I definitely remember that.
00:04:07I definitely remember that.
00:04:08And no, bro, David.
00:04:09Yeah, there you go.
00:04:10Yeah, that's David, right?
00:04:11David, David, you know what?
00:04:12That was my ...
00:04:13David's cutting up wherever he is.
00:04:14But you know what?
00:04:15That was my boy though.
00:04:16That was my boy.
00:04:17You was alright though.
00:04:21My name is Dennis Hackney.
00:04:32I played the drums and I was born and raised in the Motor City, Detroit, Michigan.
00:04:37Well, I remember when y'all was teenagers.
00:04:39That's right.
00:04:40Yeah.
00:04:41That's very right.
00:04:42Yeah.
00:04:43I'm Bobby Hackney.
00:04:44I am a bass player.
00:04:46My parents, Earl Von Lee Hackney and Majora Florida Hackney, two beautiful people.
00:05:00I was the youngest of four boys.
00:05:04Our oldest brother was Earl.
00:05:07David was born the second, and then there was Dennis, and I came along.
00:05:14I'm indeed the eldest, and that was ingrained in them also.
00:05:18I say, never forget, I'm second in command to moms and pop.
00:05:30Spirituality plays into our life right from the beginning of our roots.
00:05:35Our dad was a Baptist minister.
00:05:37We're preacher sons.
00:05:41Being a minister's kid taught us the word from Genesis to Revelation.
00:05:46We all became versed in the word.
00:05:48He always told us, if you try your best in life to keep your promise to God and give
00:05:52God time enough to keep his promise to you.
00:05:57My old man instilled into us to back up your brother.
00:06:01All of our lives, we grew up with this idea that we got to back up your brother.
00:06:06We made a pact with each other that we would never fight.
00:06:10We would never do anything to hurt each other.
00:06:13We were all close.
00:06:14I mean, we all were very, very close.
00:06:17Mom, you got so many grandchildren, you can't keep up now.
00:06:21I don't try.
00:06:22I got eight kids.
00:06:23I'm proud of every one of them.
00:06:24That's right.
00:06:25That's right.
00:06:26Love everyone.
00:06:28I don't know what David is doing up there, but there's a lot of good things going on
00:06:39in our lives because of all these things.
00:06:44Yeah.
00:06:45It is.
00:06:46Yeah.
00:06:47We talk about David all the time.
00:06:50You know, we talk about David.
00:06:54Some of the same things he did.
00:06:57Oh.
00:07:00I mean, we were kind of crazy kids.
00:07:02We thought of some games that was really weird.
00:07:04I remember one time we was having a squirt gun fight.
00:07:08You know, Dave hid behind a garage and pissed in his.
00:07:14You know, just some of Dave's pranks, you know.
00:07:18David was quite a creator when it comes to things.
00:07:20I mean, he would put together some makeshift stuff
00:07:22that just would work that you wouldn't believe.
00:07:27He took the telephone one time
00:07:29and pulled wires and pinched wires.
00:07:31And the next thing you know, you pick up the phone.
00:07:34It's, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.
00:07:38And I'm like...
00:07:40And, you know, we actually have tapes of this.
00:07:43David used that to scare people.
00:07:53Hello.
00:07:55I need your help.
00:07:59Who is this?
00:08:01Hello.
00:08:03I am from the planet Mars, and I need help.
00:08:07He needs help.
00:08:09We need your vehicle.
00:08:11Do you understand?
00:08:14I'm going to hell.
00:08:16I'm going to hell.
00:08:21Whoever in the fuck this is, go straight to hell.
00:08:25You hear me?
00:08:30Who is this?
00:08:42Growing up in Detroit,
00:08:44it was just a, it was a great time.
00:08:46It was that Motown time.
00:08:48You know, that real time when Motown
00:08:50was churning out all those amazing hits.
00:08:53You know, it was just such a bustling town.
00:09:03Well, the presence of music that all started with my mom and dad,
00:09:06they were always music fans.
00:09:09This thing right here?
00:09:11My mother used to have a little clock radio,
00:09:14a little gray radio right in that corner over there.
00:09:17Every morning, we would sit at the table,
00:09:20eating breakfast, listening to CKLW.
00:09:23All right.
00:09:25And they played everything.
00:09:27Yeah, back in the day.
00:09:28Rita Franklin, Bob Seger.
00:09:30And I'm thankful to my mom and dad
00:09:32because they never held us back from listening to music.
00:09:35They would always tell us, enjoy everything.
00:09:38There's so many people who brought music into the house.
00:09:41I mean, it was my dad who sat us down
00:09:44and made us watch the Beatles.
00:09:47The minute I saw Paul McCartney singing and playing that Beatle bass,
00:09:51you know, I wanted to play bass and wanted to sing.
00:09:54And David tuned in to John Lennon playing the guitar.
00:09:58And it was David who rallied us to, you know, be a band
00:10:01and get together and that made him the leader.
00:10:04That's your first drum.
00:10:06Very first drum.
00:10:09Right here.
00:10:12I used to put 2 butter knives on here to make it sound like a snare.
00:10:17One time we had some good luck in our family,
00:10:20and our mother got a settlement from a car accident,
00:10:23and suddenly we had some money.
00:10:25And she gave us kind of a choice of what we wanted to do.
00:10:29First thing we did was went to Manny's Music, man!
00:10:33Manny's Music!
00:10:38I brought a Rickenbacker guitar and a Fender guitar.
00:10:42David brought a brand-new Fender guitar.
00:10:45Bob wouldn't have bought himself an acoustic amplifier,
00:10:48so I had to have the best drums I could find.
00:10:51I wouldn't have bought me a Slinger instead of drums.
00:10:54I had a bass, Dennis had some drums, David had a guitar.
00:10:58We started jamming together.
00:11:01Here we go.
00:11:041, 2, 3, 4!
00:11:09The first band that we formed as brothers
00:11:12was called Rock Fire Funk Express,
00:11:14because at that time we wasn't sure
00:11:16whether we wanted to be a funk band or a rock band.
00:11:19Makes me sort of wonder
00:11:22What will the world come to? Yeah!
00:11:25Rock with a fire, you know, add a little funk in there
00:11:28and just keep on going like an express.
00:11:36But then the Who came to town,
00:11:39and when Dave went down to see them,
00:11:42he was like, that's it, you know, we gotta play this music.
00:11:46This is the music we gotta play.
00:11:50David, every time I would leave,
00:11:53he would have that stuff playing,
00:11:56and he'd just be laying there, listening.
00:11:59And then I'd come back, and the same thing would be playing.
00:12:03You know, when I saw Alice Cooper,
00:12:06it was like, you know, all bets are off, man.
00:12:09To me, if we ain't playing this,
00:12:12then I ain't gonna be having no fun.
00:12:15Rock & Roll just kind of,
00:12:18we just kind of immersed ourselves in it.
00:12:21That's what David called it, he said,
00:12:24it's pure rock & roll, man, not like,
00:12:27you're gonna have your one hit, but the pure rock & roll
00:12:30is what they don't play over the radio.
00:12:33You know, that's what David always said.
00:12:361, 2, 3, now!
00:12:391, 2, 3, now!
00:12:47This is the room where death was born.
00:12:50Look at this door right here.
00:12:53Only something like this could come from the mind of my brother.
00:12:56That's David's thing right there, man.
00:12:59We used to play, this was my station over here,
00:13:02David was right over here.
00:13:06And this was all Dennis' drums.
00:13:11And then we had our PAs,
00:13:14we just gutted the whole room,
00:13:17and it just made it into this little rock & roll haven.
00:13:21If it wasn't for our mom,
00:13:24she let us turn our whole entire room
00:13:27into a workroom for music.
00:13:30She got behind everything we wanted to do.
00:13:33While I'm on camera, I'm gonna say,
00:13:36thank you, Mom, thank you.
00:13:39And she just made an agreement with us, she said,
00:13:42hey, look, 3 to 6 is your time, after 6 o'clock, you gotta cut it off.
00:13:45All right, now, here we go. We're gonna get this right.
00:13:481, 2, 3!
00:13:54David, he could practice for hours and hours and hours, literally.
00:14:03There was a point to where he played along
00:14:06with just about every album that was in our collection.
00:14:09He was learning Queen, he was learning The Who.
00:14:12David had a slogan, he said,
00:14:15if I could play chords like Peter Townsend
00:14:18and play lead like Jimi Hendrix,
00:14:21I am the ideal guitar player.
00:14:24David's amp was always positioned right here
00:14:27because he liked it like that,
00:14:30and he messed up the neighbors.
00:14:33And then there was like some girls,
00:14:36we'd be practicing so loud,
00:14:39that after we were done with a song,
00:14:42we'd hear all this loud knocking on the door.
00:14:45That was him trying to get in.
00:14:48One day this transpired, and David started playing these riffs.
00:14:55We just came up with the words right then and there.
00:14:58Keep on knocking, keep on knocking.
00:15:13And they're playing in the house,
00:15:16and oh man, they sent people down the street
00:15:19holding their head!
00:15:22You know, we would start to practice
00:15:25and the doors would slam
00:15:28and the cop cars would pull up
00:15:31because we know that they called them on us.
00:15:34See, we grew up in the black community,
00:15:37so at that time people were tuning in
00:15:40to groups like Earth, Wind & Fire.
00:15:43And you know, here we are in the middle of all this
00:15:46playing rock & roll.
00:15:49And I mean, it wasn't a rock & roll culture,
00:15:52I mean, the more people tried to talk to us about changing,
00:15:55I think the deeper we went into rock & roll.
00:15:58One, two, three, now!
00:16:19All of that is pure anger.
00:16:22We are fighting with the neighbors
00:16:25to maintain our identity,
00:16:28and we will not be not heard,
00:16:31especially with David.
00:16:34People were running around,
00:16:37turn it down, turn it down!
00:16:41My dad, Earl V. Hackney, died.
00:16:45Though it was an accident,
00:16:48I think it impressed us a lot in our lives from then on
00:16:52when they described us how he died.
00:16:55He was an electric lineman,
00:16:58so his job was to climb up the poles, fix the wires.
00:17:02He was an electrician,
00:17:05and he was an electrician
00:17:08who climbed up the poles, fixed the wires.
00:17:11I guess he had a trainee with him one night,
00:17:14and this trainee stuck his screwdriver in the wrong place,
00:17:18and he got shocked, and it threw him off the pole.
00:17:22So my dad races down the pole,
00:17:25throws him in the back of the car,
00:17:28and they take off for the hospital.
00:17:31But just so happened, a bar was letting out,
00:17:34and there was a person who was drunk behind the wheel,
00:17:37and they swung right out in front of him.
00:17:40And he slammed right into her, and he died instantly.
00:17:51I mean, the last thing that he did
00:17:54before he left this world was a noble deed.
00:17:57He was trying to help someone.
00:18:08I think when my dad died,
00:18:11it had really a big effect on David,
00:18:15as it did all of us.
00:18:18And David became obsessed with a lot of spirituality.
00:18:24Seeing our dad at a funeral,
00:18:27I think really was for the first time
00:18:31that we was up close and personal with dying.
00:18:36And the fact that someone that you love,
00:18:39you're never going to see this person in this existence.
00:18:43And that, I think, had the big effect on all of us,
00:18:47but on David probably the most.
00:18:54Bobby was in school, I was at work.
00:18:57So when we get home, David says,
00:19:00man, I got this great, great new idea for the name of the band.
00:19:05So he holds us in suspense.
00:19:07Let's run up to the room and find out what this great name is
00:19:10that David then came up with.
00:19:13We're waiting with much suspense,
00:19:15and as soon as he says, yeah, this is the name, dude.
00:19:19Death.
00:19:22Death. Oh, man.
00:19:25So me and Bobby just kind of looked at each other
00:19:29as if to say, this dude's gone way off the deep end.
00:19:33I know what I would do if somebody came up to me
00:19:36talking about their band, the name of their band was Death.
00:19:39I'm like, you don't want to, no, I don't want to hear it.
00:19:42But there again, that old thing in the back of your head
00:19:45kicks in, back up your brother, back up your brother.
00:19:49David always said that our name would have shock value.
00:19:52And we're like, why would you say that?
00:19:54He says, because Death is real.
00:19:57He had so much conviction, so much belief,
00:20:00until we just went along with it.
00:20:03And that was right around the spring of 1974.
00:20:08Yeah, that's when we became Death.
00:20:11Death!
00:20:14APPLAUSE
00:20:27If your dream is shattered
00:20:33Pick up another glass
00:20:37Don't let your head keep running
00:20:47This picture right here was taken in 1975.
00:20:54And from my mother's backyard in Detroit.
00:20:58David looked up into the sky and he saw a triangle.
00:21:02As you can see, there's a triangle right there.
00:21:05And also, there's a face.
00:21:09David said that that was the face of God
00:21:13watching over the triangle.
00:21:15He used to tell us that was a message to us, you know.
00:21:19Hey, this is what Dave was in tune to.
00:21:21This is what he was all about.
00:21:24Yeah, but dig it, man, like, take a death like this now.
00:21:29I'm looking at it, you know, with a spiritual, you know, that way.
00:21:35Like a death that's, you know, related closer to God, you know.
00:21:41David wanted to put a positive spin on death.
00:21:46It's kind of like birth.
00:21:48It's not a good or a bad thing,
00:21:50It's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing.
00:21:54Yeah, well, see, this right here was David's concept.
00:21:57He calls it the death triangle.
00:21:59What it basically means is the three elements of life,
00:22:05which is spiritual, mental, physical.
00:22:11And this right here means it's the guiding spirit.
00:22:15And that's what David said, this right here is God.
00:22:20The stuff that used to come out of his head was just so, you know, it was original.
00:22:25But, you know, when you first heard it, it just sounded crazy.
00:22:29And when you hear things blowing through your mind, like,
00:22:32Like, what do you think the ultimate trip is?
00:22:36Well, let's see.
00:22:37And so I would say that doing what you want to do.
00:22:41Okay, hold on, wait.
00:22:42What if I told you the ultimate trip was death?
00:22:45Uh, wait.
00:22:50The ultimate trip.
00:22:55Death.
00:23:02David, okay, since he's proclaiming the leader of the band,
00:23:07we said, David, we need a contract, okay?
00:23:12Well, David takes the yellow pages, nails it to the wall, and go gets a dart.
00:23:20He opens it to the music section, where you have all your producers and music officers.
00:23:28He opens the yellow pages, nails it to the wall, takes the dart,
00:23:34and the dart lands on Gooseville Productions.
00:23:38And those are the guys we're going to call.
00:23:48It's Gooseville Productions.
00:23:52I always remember these yellow bricks, because this is where the studio was.
00:23:58Now, Gooseville, they were a production company that handled people like
00:24:04Ray Taylor, the Dramatics, and their leader was Don Davis,
00:24:10who was just a Detroit music mogul.
00:24:14Hello, my name is Don Davis.
00:24:18I am a record producer.
00:24:22I am a music publisher.
00:24:25And I am a studio owner.
00:24:29And just more recently, I am the proud owner of First Independence National Bank.
00:24:38Maybe we should knock on the door and just...
00:24:42The Hackney Brothers came in to my office, because before you get to Don Davis,
00:24:48the producer, you had to come through the Gooseville office, which was my domain.
00:24:56Hey, how you doing?
00:24:59I met the Hackney Brothers and played me some demos that I just thought were absolutely wonderful.
00:25:07This was Brian Spears' office, wasn't it?
00:25:09This is the room where Death auditioned for Brian Spears.
00:25:14This is the room.
00:25:17He had the tape on this shelf, on this shelf.
00:25:22He had the reel-to-reel tape, and Brian sat at this desk.
00:25:31I was just blown away by the energy of David Hackney.
00:25:35He just knew that this is what their destiny was going to be.
00:25:40Through a couple of auditions, we ended up signing with them.
00:25:44It just so happens that they were running the stellar, legendary recording studio of Detroit called United Sounds.
00:25:52I mean, if you were a musician in Detroit, you knew about United Sounds.
00:25:56Let's see, I can tell you the exact date they were in the studio.
00:25:59They were in the studio February the 18th.
00:26:03It was a Wednesday in 1975.
00:26:07Death and Legacy are in the studio cutting.
00:26:12It's right here.
00:26:15We used to just love to come here, man.
00:26:17This is where we spent the entire summer of 1975.
00:26:22We spent it right in and around this building, recording that Death album.
00:26:28The moment that that band fired up those instruments, it was just amazing.
00:26:37¶¶
00:26:47I think with every song that they played, the energy level just kept growing and growing
00:26:54because they just wanted to show every bit of talent that they had on every song.
00:27:04¶¶
00:27:16It was amazing to me to see such young players have so much to say through their music.
00:27:26¶¶
00:27:51Of course, we were the loudest thing that they'd ever seen.
00:27:54David, he went in there and he showed them what his double stack marshals could do.
00:28:00They were like, okay, we hear it.
00:28:03Please turn it down.
00:28:06¶¶
00:28:35Once we were pretty much happy with the mixes, I grabbed Don Davis and I said to Don,
00:28:43look, you got to listen to these guys.
00:28:46I'm like, Brian, have you lost your mind?
00:28:52Nobody is going to buy a song on a group called D-E-A-T-H.
00:29:02What's the matter with you?
00:29:04I know the name is going to be a drawback, but I convinced Don that on his next trip,
00:29:16we need to start showing the group around.
00:29:20We got turned down by every major label in the U.K.
00:29:27Because, I mean, we had gotten a rejection letter and said, we tried all these labels.
00:29:32He says, as far as I'm concerned, don't even look anymore.
00:29:36He went all the way pretty much around the world looking for a contract.
00:29:41Everybody turned us down.
00:29:43The name really seemed to be a roadblock.
00:29:48¶¶
00:29:53So I got this setting with Clive Davis,
00:30:00and it caused a very interesting stir because they were really focused on his record
00:30:06and they wanted to get involved in it.
00:30:08The first reaction was, hey, this is great stuff.
00:30:13Possibly we may be on the brink of a deal, but there's one sticking point.
00:30:20Clive Davis expressed that he really didn't care for the name of the band.
00:30:26Brian told us, you guys might have a record deal if you are willing to change the name.
00:30:33¶¶
00:30:36That sent David into another place because he had his death concept,
00:30:41and the concept went with the name, and the band went with the concept,
00:30:45and nothing could change.
00:30:48David, in no uncertain terms, just said, tell Clive Davis to go to hell.
00:30:53Okay, so David, our illustrious leader, turned the deal down.
00:30:58¶¶
00:31:03When that came out of David's mouth, me and Bob had nothing coming out of us.
00:31:08We were flabbergasted.
00:31:10Even though we didn't agree with it in public, back up your brother.
00:31:16In private, we had a bitter argument about that.
00:31:19Listen, man, these guys want to give us a $20,000 contract in the 70s.
00:31:24That's a pretty big contract.
00:31:26We could have actually just went ahead and changed the name.
00:31:29I mean, how many times are we going to get a contract like this?
00:31:32And, you know, then David got mad at us.
00:31:35¶¶
00:31:38If we give them the title to our band,
00:31:42David said, you might as well give them everything else.
00:31:45He always believed in the music,
00:31:48and I have to admit, a bit more than me or Bob did,
00:31:52because, you know, we were willing to make concessions.
00:31:55Dave was absolutely not.
00:31:58And he stuck to his guns.
00:32:01He stuck to his guns, man.
00:32:03Yeah, I would have changed it in a split second.
00:32:07Okay, I would have.
00:32:10But my spirit was telling me, go with your brother.
00:32:14¶¶
00:32:18You know, we just went into the office one day,
00:32:21and Brian told us that Don has decided to put a release on us.
00:32:27David just stood there and calmly asked me,
00:32:30he says, can I have the Masters?
00:32:32Why not just give us our music and let us walk?
00:32:36And Brian said, hey, no problem.
00:32:38And I was able to arrange to get the Masters
00:32:42turned back over to the group.
00:32:44So we took those Master tapes that he gave us,
00:32:47and we printed up 500 out of 45.
00:32:52¶¶
00:32:59And the reason we pressed those 500,
00:33:01because we wanted to get radio airplay.
00:33:04And it was frustrating because the rock stations that we loved,
00:33:07they would play it, but very sporadically.
00:33:10But we never could get them to play it enough
00:33:13to really make a difference.
00:33:15And it would happen every time we'd tell somebody,
00:33:17they'd say, well, what's the name of the band?
00:33:20And, you know, we'd kind of do one of those,
00:33:23and then we'd tell them the name of the band,
00:33:26and we'd get the same old reaction
00:33:29that we were expecting to get.
00:33:32You know, rejection.
00:33:35¶¶
00:33:43We ended up having to just kind of
00:33:45get rid of all of our equipment,
00:33:47because we needed money at the time
00:33:49to kind of bail ourselves out of a number of things.
00:33:52And what happened was, our distant relative,
00:33:55his name was Donald Knight.
00:33:57He says, well, you know, why don't you guys
00:33:59just come up to New England for a couple of weeks,
00:34:01just clear your head.
00:34:03We thought he was talking about flying across the Atlantic.
00:34:05We're like, New England, what'd you do with the old one?
00:34:07We took him up on that offer,
00:34:09because basically there was nothing else left to do in Detroit.
00:34:13laughs
00:34:18¶¶
00:34:34So we came up here on a two-week vacation,
00:34:38and we just never went back.
00:34:43We found apartments,
00:34:45and then we eventually bought even musical gear.
00:34:50When we first got to Burlington,
00:34:53David, he wanted to introduce the town to the band.
00:34:57Well, David went down the street on each pole,
00:35:02he put a death poster.
00:35:04So I think he had about 500 of them printed up.
00:35:08I mean, the cops must have just went by every pole he was at
00:35:12and just grabbed him off,
00:35:13because when the cop came to the door,
00:35:15he said, this is a peaceful town,
00:35:18and we don't have gangs here.
00:35:20That's when I said, Dave, you better come to the door, man,
00:35:23they think you're about to start a street gang.
00:35:26You know, he says, no, man, this is a musical group,
00:35:29this is all about music.
00:35:30He says, well, if you want to get around,
00:35:32if you want to get anywhere around here,
00:35:34you'll change that name.
00:35:36¶¶
00:35:39You know, after he left, I just closed the door,
00:35:42and I said, that's it, man, I'm just tired of it.
00:35:46I'm tired of the rejection,
00:35:48I'm tired of the snide comments.
00:35:51I'm done with it.
00:35:53We just understood that we tried our best with that.
00:35:57We hung in there from 73 to 1980,
00:36:01dealing with rejection for our name,
00:36:04rejection for our music,
00:36:05rejection for the fact that we were black
00:36:07and playing rock and roll,
00:36:08rejection for the fact that our music was too fast,
00:36:11rejection for so many rejections.
00:36:13David, he felt the rejection as well as we did.
00:36:17I mean, he knew.
00:36:18I think it was David who came up with the name 4th Movement.
00:36:22We didn't even listen to the concept
00:36:25or why he came up with the name.
00:36:27It wasn't that, so me and Bob was just like,
00:36:30yeah, okay, that's a good name.
00:36:32¶¶ Whoa, whoa, Revelation Z ¶¶
00:36:39¶¶ If you looked in the sky ¶¶
00:36:42¶¶ See the legion of angels ¶¶
00:36:44¶¶ Tell me what you then believe ¶¶
00:36:47We just decided to take our rock and roll sound
00:36:51and give it a spiritual concept.
00:36:53¶¶ Whoa, whoa, Revelation Z ¶¶
00:36:59¶¶ Whoa, whoa, whoa ¶¶
00:37:03And it's interesting because they say that Jesus Christ is the rock.
00:37:07And this album was, you know, it's all about him
00:37:11and all about, you know, God and Christ.
00:37:14So it's interesting.
00:37:16We got a spiritual high, if you would, out of it.
00:37:22¶¶
00:37:27There was a campus newspaper,
00:37:29and the name of the article was
00:37:31Rock and Roll, Hold the Religion, Please.
00:37:34And they were saying how good the music was,
00:37:37but how they didn't like the religious aspects
00:37:39that went along with it.
00:37:41¶¶
00:37:45After all the rejection that we've been through with death,
00:37:48there's this big old article in the Cynics saying
00:37:50nice music, hold the religion, what our picture by.
00:37:54Dave took it really personally,
00:37:56and I think he just got fed up with the rejection, too.
00:38:00That's when the homesick for Detroit thing started to brewing up.
00:38:04He wanted to go back to Detroit.
00:38:06He really, literally wanted to ball up everything
00:38:09and take it with him, including us.
00:38:11He wanted us to fold up.
00:38:13But at the time, I mean, I had brought my wife Tammy.
00:38:17¶¶
00:38:19And she had just had a little baby with little Bobby.
00:38:24¶¶
00:38:28We just didn't want to pack up and go back to Detroit, you know?
00:38:33So David went back to Detroit.
00:38:37¶¶
00:38:47Well, I am Heidi Simpson, and David Hackney was my late husband.
00:38:53Well, let me see, we moved from Vermont to Detroit in 1982.
00:39:03He wasn't working at that time, I know that.
00:39:06He was staying at home and playing his music to himself
00:39:11and trying to figure out what he wanted to do himself.
00:39:15He just was no typical working person, like out there doing a nine-to-five.
00:39:21And he was a dreamer.
00:39:23He liked, um, he would sit out on the porch
00:39:29and just look in the clouds and the sky
00:39:32and make pictures out of the clouds.
00:39:37¶¶
00:39:45We went for about two or three years without a guitar player.
00:39:50We would practice the same way every day that we always did.
00:39:54¶¶
00:39:57Because we was always on the idea that David would come back.
00:40:02As time went on, we finally realized, well, maybe Dave's not coming back.
00:40:08So me and Bob stayed here, and that's how Lamb's Bread was born.
00:40:13¶¶
00:40:26We looked at each other and said, man, this is a no-brainer.
00:40:30The people love this music.
00:40:32It's ruled by the bass and drums, and that's all we got right now.
00:40:39So it was a no-brainer.
00:40:41That's how we gravitated to reggae.
00:40:43¶¶
00:40:50We was able to find ourselves a booking agent and get on the road as Lamb's Bread.
00:40:56¶¶
00:40:59We love you, people!
00:41:03Somebody say you want to fire up some ganja.
00:41:06¶¶
00:41:08Fire the ganja!
00:41:10¶¶
00:41:24And we was actually glad that we had put down the name Death because we thought okay now that we got rid of that
00:41:31You know things are beginning to open up for us
00:41:37That might have rubbed David the wrong way
00:41:40Because at first he didn't he didn't really take to the news that me and Bob was forming a reggae band
00:41:46It was like oh well those cats done abandoned rock and roll
00:41:54No, man, we were sitting back waiting for you to come but you didn't come so we had to busy ourselves with something
00:42:00I don't think he was comfortable with the fact that we traded in our rock and roll shoes for reggae
00:42:08You know in his eyes. We were still death
00:42:17I
00:42:26Was young my father he was a reggae musician as
00:42:31A kid, that's all I knew that I just knew them as reggae musicians. I just knew them as lambs bread
00:42:36We did the same thing that our mom and dad did for us. We just made music available to them
00:42:42My uncle Dennis taught me all the basics of drumming which was really awesome
00:42:47and I used to bring him behind the drum set and I would put a stick in each of his hands and
00:42:54Kind of move his hands from and then when Bob had his other sons
00:43:02When they saw how Bobby played the drums, I guess, you know all them want to play the drums
00:43:08Well, I was always, you know influenced by my my uncle Dennis and Bobby because you know
00:43:12He always said drums laying around in the room and I kind of caught on to that
00:43:16Yeah, my dad and my uncle they always had a very strong serious musical connection
00:43:22And that was something that made a profound impact on me. Bobby came to me one day says hey, man
00:43:28You turning all of my sons into drummers
00:43:31My uncle Dave, he was really my one of my favorite uncles and he was just always so crazy and so out there and so out of the box
00:43:38He just had the best sense of humor and the best laugh and I used to love talking to him, you know
00:43:43Because he was just so lively and so so funny, you know, he was like a he was like a child
00:43:49The thing that was kind of sad was that he was like, you know, he was like, you know, he was a little bit of a
00:43:56He was like a he was like a child
00:43:59The thing that was kind of sad was I never got to see him at his prime. I only cuz he he was
00:44:07He really got into the bottle. He really got into alcohol. So like most of the time that I saw him he was always drunk
00:44:15David
00:44:17He's one of these genius types man, you know, I mean the demons get to you, you know what I mean?
00:44:23The demons get to you
00:44:26David
00:44:27Was gonna do what he was gonna do
00:44:31And he was hell-bent on that and nobody was gonna mess with him and the more that people tried to
00:44:40Correct him if you will or change him
00:44:44the worse
00:44:46It became okay. He was a visionary
00:44:50He had a plan and that plan
00:44:54Didn't go through the way he wanted it to and I think
00:44:59part of his like drinking them from not being able to
00:45:02Fully express what he wanted to do with his music in his art
00:45:09This is part of the diary that David had started and it's just talking about
00:45:17One day of his life
00:45:20Check the dreams that are in your mind take a flight to see which ones are really there
00:45:26Open up your eyes and see the paradise of a dream
00:45:29The world we know
00:45:31Shall be no more
00:45:34That was when David revealed that
00:45:38his music
00:45:40Would not come forth until after he had left
00:45:44this earth I
00:45:47Think he was just
00:45:49Feeling like he wanted to leave back then
00:45:51He always was in another world like he just he just kept saying that he didn't want to be here anymore
00:45:57I
00:46:19Don't have
00:46:27Until the day I die and then show me how to
00:46:31Get up to the orchestra, you know, that's gonna play in front of the throne of God
00:46:37That's my destination. I
00:46:40Want to play in front of the throne
00:46:45Of almighty God
00:46:47And
00:46:56The last time David was up here the last thing he did he filmed my wedding
00:47:07All right, we're at the church here and this is what it looks like inside
00:47:17They go to groom
00:47:22They go to dry and a day
00:47:32Let me get Dennis I
00:47:35Had a conversation with my mother she said you know what your brother David told me I said, no, what'd he tell you?
00:47:42He said when you get home
00:47:45Get ready to bury one of your sons
00:47:57And we noticed that he was frail and that he didn't look that good
00:48:02And we asked him, you know, is everything okay and he never said nothing to anybody he yeah, everything's okay
00:48:08I'm all right. I'm all right. I
00:48:11Just wanted to say these words because
00:48:13You my brother Dennis have been through heaven together. We've been through hell together. We've been down in the ditch
00:48:20We've been on the heights. We've got a great career as musicians and we're well on our way to heaven
00:48:26But before Dave left my wedding he brought all the Deathmaster tapes and told Bob to hold him he says
00:48:34One day the world's going to come looking for this and I know that you will keep them
00:48:57And I says Dave I have enough tapes I got enough of our stuff man
00:49:00He says no
00:49:00He says you got to keep these
00:49:02Since the world's gonna come looking for the death stuff and he says I know that you'll have it when they come looking for
00:49:07it
00:49:13That was when he told us he says man when y'all make it with this music it says I'm not gonna be with you guys
00:49:27When I hugged David before he left David let me know that I wasn't going to see him again
00:49:46And then after he got back home a few months later we got a call from my brother Earl
00:49:56Earl said to me
00:50:01He said he's dying Bob
00:50:10I don't remember that so well like it was yesterday. I mean
00:50:19What do you mean David's died
00:50:22David had a pretty
00:50:25Advanced cigarette habit that eventually ended up taking a toll on his life
00:50:32He says yeah, Bob, he says he's got full-blown lung cancer and that just floored me
00:50:41Once he hit intensive care man, it was
00:50:47It was all over
00:50:52David died
00:50:55A day after my wife's birthday
00:51:00Tammy's birthday is on the 8th of October. I think David died on the night
00:51:13I just put the tapes in a safe place. I
00:51:18Didn't think about it I
00:51:22Was thinking too much about David
00:51:25I
00:51:32When I eventually went to David's funeral in Detroit I
00:51:36Thought that I guess the death thing is just gone with Dave
00:51:50David's
00:51:51Dream and the thing that he always said was consistent from day one and and he never wavered in his story
00:51:59nor his dream and
00:52:00So yes, he did carry that all the way up to him
00:52:03My wife used to say that Dave was Dave when he was playing his guitar
00:52:11If you wanted to see the real day we got to catch him playing this guitar
00:52:17You know David continued to write beautiful music right on up until he died
00:52:22and
00:52:25This right here is
00:52:30The last record that David made
00:52:33before he died
00:52:35And as you can see his nickname was rough Francis
00:52:39You know, the name of the song is I'd be your doggy and it was backed by a song called
00:52:46We're gonna make it
00:52:52And you know who played on this David did recruit
00:52:57Myself and Dennis to help him on the tracks on there. So, you know, this is kind of like
00:53:05The last time that we really got together and made a recording
00:53:22Oh
00:53:29Now the way that it's been we've seen thick and thin and dark days all around us
00:53:36But now that it's over let our love grow stronger
00:53:41Don't you cry now
00:53:44We're gonna make it. Don't you cry now. We're gonna make it. I think that says it all
00:53:50We stuck together through thick and thin for 22 years
00:54:20You
00:54:36Talk about record collecting he says well you go by hunches
00:54:41I mean I found this in the thrift store Glenn's
00:54:44Schwartz and the all-saved freak band with a brain on the cover
00:54:47I thought how can I not take this home? And here's my favorite Christian ventriloquist
00:54:55Marcy and little Marcy Don Bowles formerly the germs actually tracked her down and got one of the dolls a while back
00:55:03Robbie the werewolf is sort of self-explanatory
00:55:06This is a regular old lounge guy, but
00:55:10Somebody to haunt you in your dreams
00:55:13anyway, so when I I saw the death record the single politicians in my eyes pop up on this one guy's list
00:55:20Buried and everything else the northern soul as they call it for ridiculous amounts of money
00:55:25And there was a little record politicians in my eyes. I thought this looks interesting
00:55:35I was interviewing a guy named
00:55:38I was interviewing Jello Biafra
00:55:40For a book that some friends of mine were writing about the history of banned t-shirts
00:55:45I know that Jello is a really huge punk collector and this collector friend of mine said
00:55:51Jello supposedly has a box of the death single
00:55:56And I said, what's the death thing I was like, oh man, it's this all-black punk band from Detroit and it's super hard to find
00:56:02DAS was a guy that I'd seen coming into the record store often. He never talked. He was always very quiet
00:56:09But he would buy really cool records. I got a record. You might be interested. I'll just give you a copy
00:56:14It's friends of mine that I knew back back when I was, you know, just got out of college
00:56:19Uh, so I gave him a brand new copy of the death record. He just like where'd you get that?
00:56:23he says hey, you know, my friends gave me these 45s and
00:56:28They told me to buy them and I was like, okay, I'll give it to you
00:56:31They told me to give them out to help promote their band and I never really got him out there
00:56:36But you know, it's never too late
00:56:37So, you know if you could take these home and give these a listen these guys were friends of mine
00:56:43Don swank we met in
00:56:471976 when we were releasing those deaths 45s and
00:56:52David had commissioned Don to do the artwork. He wanted a triangle in the clouds
00:56:59But you know, of course they never had the money to follow through on any of this stuff
00:57:03So basically I did all this artwork for him that they couldn't pay me. So they traded me records. That's what happened
00:57:11So I got got these clean copies of the death 45 from a desk I
00:57:18Left one on the counter here and then Blackwell took that
00:57:22So this seven-inch it's a limited press. It's Detroit. It's punk rock
00:57:27It's hard to find and not a lot of people know about it. I mean this this hits all of my checklist
00:57:32You know, this is something meant for me. So there it is
00:57:36politicians in my eyes, which is the a-side and
00:57:38Keep on knocking which is the b-side
00:57:42Later that night another record collector
00:57:47Told me the value of the record he had heard of it and I mentioned it to him and he told me that
00:57:52Oh, you know, do you know what that thing's worth? That's a really valuable record
00:57:56So Matt Smith puts the 7-inch on eBay and he had it on eBay buy it now 800 bucks
00:58:08How I discovered the death album was I saw an American unknown punk compilation and death was featured
00:58:15on side B I
00:58:17Was completely blown away. It was such a great song. You know, I was asking myself
00:58:21Why was this band not known? I knew I had to find that record
00:58:28About a month after I had heard that compilation I was eBaying and I noticed one for sale and
00:58:35It was for $800
00:58:37The old digs aren't your record pressing in Detroit if they knew that something they pressed 30 years ago
00:58:45Gosh 35 almost selling for 800 bucks
00:58:49Why would anybody pay $800 for old keep on knocking I mean if I had one I would have gave you
00:59:03The idea of something that's been unheard that excited me this needs to come out people need to hear this
00:59:08This is this is important. I make some copies
00:59:11I send them out to people that I know and to some people I don't know
00:59:15One of the people I made a CDR for was by the name of Henry Owings and he runs chunklet magazine in it in Atlanta
00:59:24And he posted up on chunklets website
00:59:35Julian moves out to California and he is out there just you know
00:59:39traveling hanging out with friends and stuff and I had a friend a roommate who
00:59:44She used to go to a lot of parties and she used to go to all these these parties where these DJs would spin all
00:59:49these collectors
00:59:51classics and you know unheard of just
00:59:53Anomalies and rare hidden gems and things like that. She came home one time. It was like
01:00:00Just ranting and raving about all this this new music that she had heard and she wouldn't stop going on about this band death
01:00:14I
01:00:15Did a little bit of research and it didn't take long before I came across this website called chunklet that
01:00:22Ben Blackwell had posted two songs
01:00:33I
01:00:34Heard that song politicians in my eyes and I heard my dad's voice and it was
01:00:41unmistakable unmistakably his
01:00:44I
01:00:52Turns out that there are these three black brothers in Detroit in the 70s by the name of hackney
01:01:00And I call up my dad
01:01:05And he called me up and he says dad do you realize that they're playing your
01:01:10Music at underground parties here and I'm like, are you talking about lambs bread?
01:01:14You know, I thought he was talking about our current reggae band and he says no daddy
01:01:18So you were in a band in the 70s from Detroit called death and then I just got quiet
01:01:26You know dad were you in a band in the 70s called death?
01:01:30He says politicians in my eyes keep on knocking and when he said that I said, that's us. I'm like dad
01:01:38Why did you tell me
01:01:41And then my brother would call me and be like Bobby you're not gonna believe this like dad and uncle Dennis and uncle Dave were
01:01:47In this band called death. He was telling me about the music about how amazing it was
01:01:51it was like the best rock and roll he's ever heard and then I I
01:01:56Play the mp3 and my jaw drops
01:02:07I
01:02:10Just couldn't believe what I was hearing like my eyes started to tear up
01:02:15the hairs were like
01:02:18Standing up on the back of my neck. I
01:02:20started shaking
01:02:31I
01:02:32Just couldn't believe it because once I heard it I knew I just knew it was them. I I could feel it
01:02:39I was like, this is my dad and my two uncles
01:02:50I was one of the first people to hear the record and I could not believe it was unbelievable
01:03:03It was raw punk and I did not believe it at all it was really a dream come true
01:03:12I
01:03:14Was like I can't believe that I know that I'm listening to like the best rock and roll music
01:03:20I've ever heard and I'm the only person that knows about this. I need like I started calling my friends
01:03:25Bobby calls me up and he says yeah, I didn't pick up. He left me a message
01:03:29He says I I got to talk to you. I got some crazy news for you
01:03:32And he said yeah
01:03:33you know I found out that my dad was in kind of a proto punk band in like the early mid 70s and I was
01:03:38like what then like I made him a copy and told him to listen to it and
01:03:43He had the same reaction. I did so I I post on various message boards punk rock message boards and
01:03:51Posted a long story about everything
01:03:53I knew about death put up links to the songs and just wanted to share this because I said other people need to hear
01:03:59these songs that post
01:04:01Circulated all over the internet
01:04:05To the point where I got the attention of Robert Maness who is a record collector. I was still freaking out over
01:04:12Over that record, you know, I'd listen to it all the time
01:04:16And I was just blogging I typed in hackney death and this blog came up
01:04:23So I dropped everything that I was doing and I talked to you know, a couple of the guys at drag city
01:04:29and
01:04:32Well, we were talking to Robert Maness and so Robert sent over some mp3s of the death single
01:04:41it's like
01:04:4270s garage
01:04:44Like you've never heard it before just made us really
01:04:48Excited to want to be involved with the record if we could so naturally the thought turned to
01:04:54Reissuing a single is cool
01:04:55But if there's more material of a similar nature, then you can reissue an album and that seemed to be
01:05:02The next question. Is there an album out there? Where are these guys? Do they still exist?
01:05:10Let's give thanks
01:05:12Lord, we thank you for this food. We're about to receive and we thank you for our family and all that you do for us
01:05:19In Jesus name. We thank you. Amen
01:05:23All right
01:05:35What I do for a living is uh, I work at st. Michael's College, I'm on the late-night maintenance crew
01:05:42I
01:05:52Been able to give my kids the choice of going to college through this job. I've been able to buy a house
01:06:00To me. It's a good job that I can do
01:06:03while
01:06:05Well, I struggle as a musician
01:06:07Getting the call from drag City was really exciting
01:06:12Because every musician lives for that day when you get the call from the record company
01:06:18But after the excitement of that part wore off
01:06:21You know, it's just bringing up a whole wellspring of
01:06:26emotion
01:06:28After starting a new band and after just creating a whole new life all of a sudden, you know something from the record company
01:06:35You know something from the past just pulls you back and say hey, what about this?
01:06:51This is where we store stuff
01:06:56For years and years most of the death did go right here
01:07:00This little
01:07:02Bin here
01:07:05This is just this is just just the way it was on that day when Bobby called me up and said dad
01:07:11Please tell me you have those master tape and they were sitting up here
01:07:15Just like this. I
01:07:17Was in such a blur about everything. I
01:07:20Can't believe that I'm up here looking for the death tape
01:07:25You know, I mean that within itself
01:07:28Was so surreal for me
01:07:30This right here is the original
01:07:34Finish master tape that was recorded at United Sounds
01:07:41production studios
01:07:43As you can see
01:07:45It's my brother David's writing right there
01:07:48And that was what he wanted to call the whole the album. Well, that's what he
01:07:53Death for the whole world to see
01:07:55Death for the whole world to see
01:07:58Because he put his signature triangle
01:08:02Which basically represented the whole death concept?
01:08:05This is the tape and this tape has been through
01:08:10Quite a bit, you know, it's like it's kind of like older than any of my children
01:08:26And
01:08:32Before I knew it the album was released
01:08:36This is the album right here
01:08:39released on drag city records February 17 2009
01:08:44after all these years
01:08:46three cats three young dudes
01:08:49Who just love rock and roll music?
01:08:53Imagine taking 35 years
01:08:56It's
01:08:58It's it's incredible. I
01:09:01Don't know of a story like that. I
01:09:05Don't know of one
01:09:15When the album came out I
01:09:17Felt emotional. I felt happy. I was happy for us that our music was finally getting recognized
01:09:23I was sad, you know because David was not here to see it, you know, when you see something like that really significant happening
01:09:31It's kind of hard
01:09:32When you talk about this because you kind of hear Dave's voice in the back of your head
01:09:40You know, he said it he said the world's gonna come looking for this music one day
01:09:44I'm still hearing in the back of my voice all the things they've said and they're coming true and and and you know
01:09:51It just it just feels weird
01:09:58The album was released but since nobody really heard not many people heard the death album quite yet
01:10:06what we decided to do me Julian and your Ryan was pay tribute to death by
01:10:13Covering the album and like playing it live
01:10:21I
01:10:43The death songs needed to have an audience and that's been too long
01:10:47You know, we've been 34 years since the songs have been heard by anybody
01:10:55We did a lot of campaigning, you know, like we're out there spreading the word or like almost like musical missionaries for death
01:11:02in a way I
01:11:09Remember the first show that we played it was like packed and people were just really excited and happy
01:11:15It was like this rush of
01:11:18Spiritual energy running through our veins. It was pretty much like speaking to uncle Dave again. It's like saying hey, what's up?
01:11:24Uncle Dave, how you doing? Like I haven't seen you in a while when we played those songs
01:11:28That's what it felt like felt like he was there with us
01:11:40We were trying to think of names and references came into play when Bobby was thinking about the
01:11:45That old seven-inch that my uncle Dave put out as rough Francis. I was like perfect rough Francis
01:11:51That's the name of this band because it's like this band is all happening because of uncle Dave like we're channeling his music his energy
01:11:58His art this has to be called rough Francis. So a few songs that you just heard there
01:12:03by a band called death
01:12:08Is our family
01:12:10Our father our uncle and our other uncle so we're just carrying the torch and
01:12:17We're just very excited to be up here playing for you right now. Thank you so much
01:12:41I
01:12:51We're playing one of the songs I looked over and I saw my father and my mom and they were both hugging and crying
01:13:01They were both just just so moved by it, you know, and that moved me see seeing them
01:13:07Seeing my three boys on stage
01:13:11Performing their dad's music. I was just so proud to be their mom and it was just a
01:13:17Wonderful night and I'll never forget it
01:13:27Rough Francis was really impressive and they were a real force on stage and
01:13:34Performing
01:13:36Performing
01:13:38their father's and uncle's
01:13:41music I
01:13:42Know my piece began with Bobby sort of beaming back at the bar
01:13:47you know, he's got three of his sons on stage and his brother Dennis there and his wife Tammy's there and I
01:13:54Mean it was a like a family reunion
01:13:56But the you know and the missing member is that was his brother David who was that present?
01:14:02You know whose presence was really felt through the through his music I
01:14:07Think for me like when I saw the story in the New York Times
01:14:10It was pretty mind-blowing to see it on that scale
01:14:14I was just blown away when that article actually came out and there was like a picture like this big of rough Francis
01:14:20I was like, oh my goodness. Like we're in the New York Times like
01:14:24Half the page. I've never heard from so many people people's parents
01:14:29We're saying they saw this and and you know, my like I said my dentist
01:14:37I had a buddy Matt Sweeney in New York City, and I think he saw an article in The Times or something
01:14:41So he actually sent me a disc and I was checking out. I was like, wow, you know
01:14:44How did how did I not know about this? I was like man is badass
01:14:48And it's just one of those great music stories
01:14:50It's one of those things that keeps you going to the record store hoping for another great story like that
01:14:54It's it's it's why you listen to music it instantly became a favorite record, you know
01:14:59it was sort of it literally popped out of the speakers and and it had an energy to it and a
01:15:06Musicianship that sort of blew my mind
01:15:08When I got to hearing politicians in my eyes was like an immediate like this is one of the greatest songs
01:15:14I've heard in quite some time and it really was quite an electrifying recording
01:15:19Ramones got all the glory for what this is right here. And this is pretty much the Ramones
01:15:26But two years earlier, there's no doubt on that record there's only conviction. There's only full-hearted conviction
01:15:34That's really what?
01:15:37Makes it
01:15:39rock-and-roll
01:15:40When I heard it, I just couldn't believe that I'd never heard it before it was
01:15:47The predecessor of what punk
01:15:51Became and that was what also
01:15:54Compelled me to really want to search them out no matter
01:15:59You know, well how long it took me?
01:16:02To find somebody
01:16:04Who had a number for these guys?
01:16:06Jory Ramone's brother. He ended up tracking me down and
01:16:11He invited death and rough Francis to come play Jory Ramone's annual birthday bash and I'm like, well Mickey, you know death
01:16:20They haven't really played any they haven't played live yet. I don't even know if they would be into it
01:16:27And then I called my dad
01:16:29you know at first he didn't really know if he wanted to go forth with the project just because of all the
01:16:35emotional ties they have with it and
01:16:38You know, they always wanted to be really respectful to my uncle Dave
01:16:43Yeah, we were very reluctant because you know, we didn't want to we just didn't want to do it without David
01:16:50It actually took a few weeks
01:16:53For us to really take this thing kind of serious because
01:16:58We had to answer the question about who's going to play the guitar
01:17:02David said I don't leave any children in this world. You got to remember my songs are my children
01:17:08You know, I'm committed
01:17:10to
01:17:12Taking care of those children
01:17:14And at the time we was working with Bobby Duncan who we had found
01:17:19To be a guitar player in lamb's bread as far as the look he fits
01:17:24I mean, but should we throw this kind of a load on the dude?
01:17:28On the dude Bobby says like, you know Bob, no, so this happened, you know
01:17:33He was like, you know, he didn't you seem like he could really
01:17:37Put it all together man, but because it was just like such a big thing to him
01:17:41He says I hope you want to do it man, you know and stuff and I started listening to the to the CD
01:17:46And he said not only is the album awesome, man
01:17:48He says but I'm gonna he said I'm gonna try to do David justice
01:17:52I'm gonna try to live up to the standard that he put down on that album
01:17:56And when we got together with Bobby Duncan, we figured well, you know keep on knocking
01:18:01That's kind of an easy tune. We could just you know, throw that out there first and
01:18:06See what happens, you know
01:18:13He started playing the music
01:18:16We stopped
01:18:18And Bobby he says guys did I do something wrong if I did something wrong? I'm sorry
01:18:26And we turned back around to answer Bobby he saw that we both had tears streaming down our eyes
01:18:34Because he he was playing it
01:18:44Sounded like Dave and I had to get up and leave out the studio
01:18:50Okay, I just took a 10-minute break
01:18:52I just you know went out there and did my crying on the side of the studio and I said I
01:18:57Don't know what's going on here. I said a prayer. I don't know what's going on here Lord, but you gotta tell me how to walk
01:19:04You gotta tell me how to walk
01:19:06That's when I realized it was more than just like playing guitar and covering songs or doing a gig
01:19:11You know, I realized this is a spiritual thing. This is a deep thing
01:19:16You have to understand that that session at that time
01:19:21That was the first time that we had played that music
01:19:30Since about 1978
01:19:35Y'all ready
01:19:50Oh
01:20:06We have been working for the past five months on rehearsal production for a death tour
01:20:13That's gonna be the first time
01:20:16in almost
01:20:1835 years that death has played a show. So we're excited about it
01:20:45I still feel like I'm in a dream
01:20:49If that was for the whole world to see this is our first stop for the whole world
01:20:56my first stop for the whole world
01:21:18I
01:21:48I
01:22:18Oh
01:22:48Oh
01:23:18You
01:23:20You
01:23:45You know, I mean really we are enjoying this wonderful thing
01:23:50but for us
01:23:51It's a beautiful thing and we're having a lot of fun, but we do carry a tremendous burden with us and that
01:23:58David had predicted all along that this music would catch on throughout the world. That's one of the things
01:24:04I think that's really bittersweet with us. Is that he?
01:24:09Never got physically the opportunity to see his prediction come true
01:24:15Thought nobody in the world would hear this one
01:24:18David always believed that the world would hear this music
01:24:24This whole thing is happening not because of my faith, but all this is happening because of Dave's faith
01:24:31Dave is the one who said all this stuff was gonna happen. We told him he was dreaming
01:24:37But now we're living it and that's what's making everything so strange
01:24:43You know, it's like a movie
01:24:47And
01:24:50We are the unwitting stars of the movie
01:24:54You know and
01:24:57Dave is the director
01:25:00Even from his grave. He's directing the movie
01:25:05That's strange
01:25:17You
01:25:42My mother Majora Hackney
01:25:46She passed away last Tuesday and here we are taking this journey once again
01:25:57It's kind of reminiscent of the journey that I took in 2000 after David had passed and we had to go to his funeral
01:26:08You know, the one thing that we're really thankful for is our mother got to see the resurgence of death
01:26:15and
01:26:16That her sons really did
01:26:19Make something out of all that loud music. We was playing upstairs all the time
01:26:28We all know why we're here
01:26:32This is the home
01:26:35Oh
01:26:43Family is everything to us
01:26:46Because without family we wouldn't be here
01:26:50without family
01:26:52We wouldn't have
01:26:55Anything that we have
01:27:05I went to my first motel party with my mom
01:27:12But then again she taught me how to pray
01:27:15She taught me how to ask God
01:27:18For what you want?
01:27:20She taught me many things that I will never ever forget
01:27:25My mother loved all of y'all. God bless you. Thank you for being here
01:27:34So
01:27:40I believe
01:27:43Unequivocally the body cease to exist or the body drops its spirit and that spirit is what we really are
01:27:54David always said that he said this isn't the final stop. This isn't it's not over
01:27:58This is just he used to call this just a waiting room
01:28:01He said the world is one big waiting room said some of us have left the waiting room and some of us are still here
01:28:19That's the way he looked at it
01:28:32Whatever is behind you
01:28:37Leave it past
01:28:42Can't you see what
01:28:45I
01:29:15I
01:29:46You
01:30:06Whenever I say that I think about my brother David he convinced us
01:30:16Not only did he convince us but he
01:30:21He inspired us because we had the chance to change the name and
01:30:29I
01:30:32Think David was the prime example
01:30:37Of what the Lord said when he said what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul
01:30:46And
01:30:47David's music was a soul and he never wavered on that and the chance came
01:30:55Changed your name and I'll give you the world
01:31:02And David didn't waver
01:31:05And I'm proud of it and I love him and I honor him for that
01:31:15I
01:31:45The time's up
01:32:15You
01:32:45I
01:33:15I
01:33:45You
01:34:15I
01:34:45Oh
01:35:15I
01:35:45It's alright