With less than 48 hours until final roster cuts, Andrew runs down his only Patriots 53-man roster projection of the summer. Later, he provides stat projections for a few wide receivers in a mega mailbag that also covers the Pats' coaching staff, front office and offensive line. All that, and much more!
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00:00Okay we got a great show here today it is a solo show and it is an unusual one because
00:19you know we do a lot of time talking about games that are upcoming and games that just
00:22happen film review previews we do some more interviews four minute drills got a lot of
00:26guests today is the rare day we are recording on a game day it's Sunday night the Patriots
00:33about to kick off their preseason finale finale for the whole NFL preseason in two hours down
00:37in Washington against the Commanders Jane Daniels is not going to play so by the time
00:41you listen to this game is over but as you'll note by the title today this is not about
00:47that game this is about a 53 man roster projection when the Patriots like every other
00:51NFL team makes their cuts by Tuesday at 4 p.m. and as someone who has been at every
00:57single practice but to who has charted all the reps noted the order reps the number of
01:02reps for players at basically every single position I feel comfortable telling you right
01:06now that barring some miracle or God forbid horrendous injury on the other end that the
01:12Patriots current projection where they stand these players isn't going to change a whole
01:15lot tonight a lot of players are going to play and pretty much the haze in the barn
01:20so I have my roster projection I will tell you right off the top before we get to every
01:24single mailbag question you guys delivered this week and it's not just because someone
01:28asked about beer to mix up all the football talk it is only got 52 players on it I'm
01:34reserving one spot for a team that's picking third in the waiver order has clear holes
01:39both in the short term and the long term and is supposedly going to be aggressive and using
01:44that place in the waiver order to pick up players that as Elliott Wolfe told us last
01:47week the whole freaking scouting department is scouring preseason tape looking for help
01:53now that's not unique to the Patriots but that is the backdrop against this decision
01:57of saying hey I'm only going to pick 52 it's a rare year where it's a struggle to get to
02:0153 and honestly if you have been reading or listening or watching or whatever other 53
02:06man roster projections you know there's a lot of overlap this year folks in my seat
02:11in other places so it's not to say that we're right I just think there's a lot less mystery
02:16this year because of the talent deficit we'll just call it and the fact that everyone coaches
02:22front office media members pretty much see this roster the same way so we're gonna go
02:26position by position I will spice this up a little bit and by spice I really mean probably
02:31like a pepper or salt this is not anything that's gonna get you off your chair but when
02:34I list the players in a row I will go by the order of strongest job security to the one
02:40closest to the bubble now spoiler alert when we get to safeties Kyle Duggan Jabril Peppers
02:46I have to put them in some kind of order they're both making the team I don't even
02:50think they're gonna play tonight they're not going anywhere I do and will put them in a
02:54particular order as you'll see then so just something to pay attention to as we go through
02:58this because I know you're consuming a lot of this content and will up until Tuesday
03:01at 4 p.m. which is why we're doing this tonight so after this I'm gonna write a column but
03:05for now let's do the roster projection get the mailbag and get out of here so one last
03:09reminder this is not the roster I would pick if I was Elliot Wolfe this exercise is to
03:16say what do I think the roster will look like by the time we get to 401 p.m. on Tuesday
03:21what will the Patriots do based on the information I have but if I think they're gonna do something
03:26I wouldn't I'm not gonna go with my pick I'm gonna go with what I think that they will
03:30do let's go quarterbacks right off the top they're keeping three this is how I see it
03:35Drake May Jacoby Percet and Joe Milton Jacoby Percet is gonna start week one and I say that
03:42not with my Boston Herald reporter on I say it is the podcast host who's got a little
03:45bit more journalistic freedom here but you don't see position competitions the dry mail
03:51has been talking and talking and talking about we're one player gets all the starting reps
03:56and the other one doesn't and especially this week where I said on TV I think it was Wednesday
04:01they tipped their hand today because they're doing regular season style practices before
04:05tonight's game against the commanders and so you have the first team offense second
04:09team offense starters get virtually all the reps and even a couple like emergency scraps
04:14hey if he goes down we'll give you a couple snaps with the center well that's what Drake
04:17May got so it's not just that Jacoby Percet who is better for the first three weeks and
04:22has been the worst passer since is still getting the starting reps it's at their regular season
04:27mode and he's the guy at the top so I think he's gonna start week one I think that will
04:31be announced Monday or Tuesday but of course Drake May has more job security as for Joe
04:35Milton oh actually before we get to Milton I don't think I delivered these last time
04:39season-long stats for training camp this is how I had it from my charting you've got differences
04:45amongst the media because some of them will tab sacks for players who got close to the
04:49quarterback and he's rushing 11 on 11 periods but I can't touch the quarterback they've
04:53either got to go by they got to stand up there's just a gray area there and that goes even
04:56for the coaches too there's disagreement I know within the staff in years past but someone's
05:01got to make a call my call might be different from the next guy all of which is to say for
05:05training camp here's Jacoby Brissett he attempted 17 more passes than Drake May in seven on
05:11sevens and 11 on 11s he completed 65.4% of those passes six picks 28 sacks so 65.4% six
05:20interceptions 28 sacks Drake May 62.4% completion percentage five interceptions and 21 sacks
05:29so you will know that well Brissett had 17 more attempts in the larger sample of 246
05:36passes compared to 229 that's not that big of a difference and yet may had 25% fewer
05:42sacks and one fewer interception I wasn't as accurate because he's a rookie but those
05:48are pretty good numbers for a guy who after the first two weeks you're going yeah he doesn't
05:51look ready and he didn't but things changed and he played better and you see that isn't
05:55those numbers there okay I mentioned Joe Milton speaking of improvement he's shown
06:00enough to me where you continue to work with him as a project which is what he is it's
06:05not because he didn't have a ton of experience in college he was in Michigan for multiple
06:09years he was then a Tennessee for multiple years it's that he is making an even bigger
06:13transition than Drake May when you just strictly talk about the last offense he played he ran
06:18he operated it at Tennessee to this long West Coast verbiage 15-16 word play calls and so
06:25that's part of it it's the footwork aspect of it and also a guy who just honestly struggled
06:30to change up the velocity on his throats and a lot of things we talked about I think was
06:33it two weeks now after that preseason opener anyway he's looked good enough Billy's happy
06:37got cut last year they were sending to the practice squad I think if he wants to come
06:41back they would have him as a fourth quarterback in that situation but for now I think he'll
06:46be on the street come Tuesday and those are our quarterbacks three quarterbacks on the
06:49roster moving to running backs this is pretty cut and dry to me reminder a Stevenson Antonio
06:54Gibson to Michael hasty is my running back three Kevin Harris so to Michael hasty is
07:00a pass catching back he's the smallest dude out there also got the best aesthetic dreads
07:04on a running back forever is a big win for me I don't care what the rating is and then
07:09bump it up two or three if that dude has got flow flying out the back anyway hasty not
07:14only is a better pass catcher from Kevin Harris who ranked in the top three and drops for
07:18training camp by the way and Harris fell off over the last week or two in camp hasty is
07:24a core special teamer and you're gonna hear me say this a lot and for the folks who were
07:28always frustrated with Bill Belichick about the emphasis he put on special teams with
07:32the roster building first of all I would say I especially agree with you at the end second
07:37of all I would say you still need to count on players who are backups at other positions
07:41to fill those roles where whether it's kickoff or punt return or punt coverage or kick return
07:48you know they're out there right that they're just a part of it and then you're filling
07:51out the other five six sometimes maybe seven spots around them hasty is one of these guys
07:56he's got a spot on all four of those units he's looked better in camp he's caught more
08:00passes from Drake May with that second team offense and Kevin Harris did those to me are
08:04the four running backs and Harris is he's on like the front end of the bubble if they
08:09do cut him I think it would because they're confident they could resign into the practice
08:12squad if it came to it let's go to the receivers I have six and I think this is right on the
08:17money in order again for job security Jalen Polk's not getting cut this is a second round
08:21pick DeMario Douglas not getting cut because he's their best receiver so they're in the
08:25same tier then you go to KJ Osborne who's making the team Taekwon Thornton right now
08:30wide receiver for then Javon Baker whose job security is tied to his status as a draft
08:36pick it's nothing he's done the last three weeks and then Jalen Reign who is I don't
08:40know if he's 50 or he's 51 or 52 but he's not 53 he makes the team but let's go back
08:47to the top Jalen Polk has been mixing in with the starters the last two weeks that
08:50means replacing Taekwon Thornton or KJ Osborne he's coming up he's also played a little bit
08:55in the slot big thumbs up in the slot DeMario Douglas this dude finished training camp first
09:01in catches despite missing team periods for basically the first two weeks of camp so he
09:08squeezed in a summer's worth of catches in two weeks during 11 on 11s and 7 on 7s only
09:14had one more than Jalen Polk for what it's worth but those two are at the top firmly
09:18for me and then Osborne and Thornton who I said before have been running with the starters
09:23they're gonna be here and Alex Van Pelt had a lot of praise for Thornton on Thursday not
09:27only just about his speed but he is legitimately tracking the ball better than he ever has
09:31before and then like him a little bit better now in contested catch situations than they
09:35have before and this is the best he's looked I'm not saying he's anything more than wide
09:39receiver for on this Jeff chart or anything else but based on how they've been playing
09:44little he's played in the preseason and the fact he started every single period there's
09:48no other player on this roster he would say well yeah he started every 11 on 11 period
09:53but he stinks he's gonna get cut no no take one Thornton is not the exception to that
09:57he's gonna make the team Baker again it's just it's not been good we talked about it
10:02about running I think there are some reads that he's missing in there just like Joe Milton
10:06Drake Bay more simplistic up-tempo offense and he's just I think a little bit behind
10:11certainly relative to the quarterbacks as far as adjusting to NFL life and adjusting
10:14to NFL competition Rager for me gets the edge here I talked about special teams already
10:21here we go again the return ability he's starting off a lot of those and Marcus Jones I think
10:26will be the man on pump return but Rager now has got more speed more athleticism and impact
10:32the caisson booty period as a player but especially on special teams and that gives him the edge
10:37not to mention when they start to rotate those starters again on the outside it's
10:41been pulled it's been Osborne it's been Thornton with the ones the next receiver up most consistently
10:47in camp was Jalen Rager so to me he gets the edge over booty I know we have a lot of caisson
10:51booty fans out there and I don't blame you but I would just ask you this where does he
10:57consistently win aside from having hands where he can just as we saw in the flat the other
11:01day against against the Eagles he's got great hands but physically doesn't profile like
11:07Jalen Rager who's also impacting a second phase it's a close call but I just think there's
11:12a clear winner here for what we've seen so far in camp how the Patriots have treated
11:15him and used them both not to mention booty also never really rep with the ones this summer
11:20so that's just is what it is moving on to tight ends we got three here and this is a
11:25little tricky because of health we know Hunter Henry has been out for a long while Austin
11:29Hooper came back Mitchell Wilcox also came back but Wilcox is battling with Michael Pettway
11:34and Jaheim Bell right now I had Bell outside looking in probably the 54th or 55th man on
11:41the roster and you can see the movement skills like we did even in the preseason opener and
11:46that's cool like this it's an athletic dude he's good after the catch a lot of advanced
11:51metrics like them coming out as a prospect but he was a seventh round pick to a bottom
11:57five team in the NFL guys like him who get cut get resigned to the practice squad or
12:02go elsewhere I don't think there's any risk here for the Patriots of him getting claimed
12:06but in what he's shown in the preseason which of course now he's going to go off for a hundred
12:10and three touchdowns against Washington tonight but there are other teams if you follow the
12:14Giants hard knocks it looked like they had him also listed with a character concern I
12:18think some of that is overblown I'm not knocking the kid but for everyone who has been standing
12:22the seventh round rookie tight end I would just say he's a limited narrow player who's
12:27never going to play in line and he didn't dominate in any kind of way aside from one
12:31practice when he had three touchdowns and seven on sevens running the same flat or slide
12:35route when the top three tight ends were out that would say this is the evidence this is
12:39a proof this is some sort of trend that he's building towards really earning a roster spot
12:44in the NFL it just hasn't happened and it's fine maybe he does it later but this is who
12:49he was entering the team seventh round rookie and this is who he is right now it's how he's
12:53looked so far this summer so Hunter Henry could make the opener obviously making the
12:57team Austin Hooper definitely making the team they want to play with two tight ends Mitchell
13:02Wilcox because that preference to open in 12 personnel which we saw a lot this summer
13:06I think is going to make the team and then Bell's case might lie honestly more with scheme
13:11than it does anything he showed in addition to obviously being an athlete but again he
13:16even after that practice I just mentioned I think it was last week three touchdowns
13:20seven on seven period of the red zone that was it he had a couple of drops a couple of
13:24no shows this week I just think that's where it is with the tight ends but maybe that changes
13:29that brings us to 16 players this brings us to 20 offensive tackle Caden Wallace best
13:37job security this bunch youngest player third round pick guy who cost just about as much
13:42as Chukumo Corp or a second on my list but Aaron Lowe in Calvin Anderson for feels like
13:48for a group where again we still can't point to two guys and just go they're gonna start
13:54and if you could it would be one guy and it's been very low again based on the number of
13:58reps he's gotten when he's gotten them in that order and the play of the preseason I
14:02think especially in the second game not the first was better than he was given credit
14:06for but he's already been tagged with like if you have to complain about the Patriots
14:11offensive line and you need to name one player he's in and that sucks but like that's that's
14:16a hole but he dug himself that's where he's at I think he's slowly coming out of it but
14:20here are the four players you'll notice I did not mention Mike on when who has been
14:25at right tackle the last couple days of practice I think the Patriots still see this at least
14:29the staff closest to this still see him as a backup option and preferred that way at
14:34right tackle to me at the very least he adds depth there I would move him out to tackle
14:39put Lane Robinson at right guard where he's look great even Andrews and center city south
14:42left guard and just figure it the hell out and left tackle between Caden Wallace and
14:46a core for if you were going to have a surprise cut here it would be Calvin Anderson which
14:53surprise is doing a lot of heavy lifting and that's that sentence for a guy who played
14:57to the end of the second preseason game and stunk and gave up a sack but he can play both
15:02sides he has played both sides he ripped consistently with second team offense you just need bodies
15:07at an important position where you're already seeking help if they don't get it on the waiver
15:10wire I think he comes back interior line Mike I wanted David Andrews Lane Robinson city
15:16south Nick lever so this brings us to 25 an offense nine offensive linemen which I think
15:23they'll carry this group I will say probably had the most improvement start to finish in
15:28camp relative to expectations not like actual field performance and growth that would take
15:33a little bit more thought but just looking at the names at the start of camp even if
15:37you were a city south optimist I don't think you're looking at this and going they might
15:41want to have an above average interior just flat out period because you didn't know with
15:46a fourth round rookie who was going back to an old position after playing right tackle
15:50and right guard he's a left guard now and they've rotated him a little bit but he's
15:53been good in one on ones he's been good in team and with him David Andrews and Michael
15:57want to that's a really strong powerful don't F with us kind of interior especially in the
16:02run game backups laden Robinson he might not be a backup for long again if they feel comfortable
16:08moving on when it or I tackle Lane Robinson was a multi-year starter Texas a and M at
16:12right guard fourth run rookie it's healthy you know by now and then there's Nick Lever
16:16who spent a lot of time lately learning to play backup center and he had a bad snap the
16:22first day of practice first day of camp hasn't since and there was a missed exchange with
16:27Drake May but I think that one was on Drake so for him Nick Lever at your backup center
16:31you got backup guards with him and laden Robinson and then starters with city south David Andrews
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17:56all right enough offensive line let's go to defense edge players this is a mix of outside
18:00linebackers and defensive linemen let's go from again best job security to least Keon White
18:07enough said future twice Anthony Jennings Josh Ute O'Shane Ziminis you've been listening I hope
18:15you have you heard him early in this podcast I think after the first week he's flashing a little
18:19bit him or William Bradley King who did not make the list we'll get to him in a second uh he's
18:24gonna make a play in the preseason everyone's gonna jump on him lo and behold it's O'Shane
18:28Ziminis who not long thereafter in the joint practice against the Eagles is rotating in with
18:33the starters and it's not just because you've got health questions there he earned it so he's there
18:38as far as the top of this group look Keon White is going to play all over the defensive line but
18:43he's going to be on one edge of this defense depending on the front I mean sometimes you'll
18:46see if they want to go four down Dietrich Weiss will probably be defensive end opposite him it'll
18:50be Jennings still excellent versus the run as an early down starter Josh Uche bad camp just just
18:57flat out not good and yet this dude's still tied for the team lead in sacks with four Kyle Duggar
19:03also had four sacks by the way which could tell you how bad some of this pass protection was during
19:06camp just flying through unblocked uh on safety blitzes but we know the talent's there I don't
19:13really want to spend a whole lot more time talking about Josh Uche is this theoretical player who was
19:16a great in 2022 and we just haven't seen him since you hope it comes out we didn't this summer who
19:22knows but he makes the roster along with Keon White, Dietrich Weiss, Anthony Jennings, O'Shane
19:27Zemanis, William Bradley King made a push here late that dude's a former seventh round pick in
19:322021 practice squad last year I think they'd like to keep him around the only way that I think he
19:38makes the roster is if they're convinced by virtue of his performance against the Eagles in joint
19:42practices uh and then in the preseason that they can't bring him back and they're a little bit
19:47dinged up here maybe just maybe because Uche's missed time lately you keep him and he could be
19:53a special teamer and again there's an open spot we only have 52 players here but I just he's he's
19:57right there in the outside looking in for me with Jaheim Bell interior defensive lineman again this
20:02is the big neon all caps hope wanted sign at this spot Devon Gottschall and Daniel Akwale
20:10starting locks then he gets Jeremiah Farms Jr. and I have Tristan Hill on the roster
20:17now a couple things on this Gottschall and Akwale again locks Akwale's been my surprise at camp he's
20:22looked good against the Eagles in the joint practice he started every single uh team period
20:27this is good Farms big-bodied run stopper you'll look at his pro football reference page and it'll
20:32say 12 games played last year and you're like how the did he play a dozen games and I just missed
20:36that well he started the season on the practice squad and didn't get up to 100 defensive snaps
20:42played so even if you are out there Jeremiah Farms Sr. listening to the podcast it's a big jump
20:50from less than 100 snaps played in one season to expect of that player at age 27 to suddenly
20:56contribute in a way that he's playing you know 30-40 percent of the defensive snaps even if right
21:01now he's DT3 as it were uh now let's move on Tristan Hill okay the former second round pick
21:08of the Cowboys he is listed at 6'2 6'3 and 310 pounds if Tristan is 310 I'm 175 and I run a 4'5
21:19flat so it's just not it's just not the case Tristan Hill however is more of a penetrator
21:25more of a interior pass rusher and we get flashes flashes are cool and you can get by on flashes
21:30if you're the fourth defensive tackle which I have him here now but when it comes to say
21:36farms get stinked up or gotcha or whomever it might be they need a bigger body in there that's
21:40not going to be Hill but his skill set is valuable in a way that that kept Daniel Ikewali around the
21:46last few years before he is now the plugged in starter I think they still want another big body
21:50here the one name you'll note or may or may not know Armand Watts who signed a one-year deal after
21:55playing for the Steelers last year a couple years with the Vikings before that he's playing towards
22:00the end of these preseason games and when I think back about whether it's a flash this is an
22:04individual play or series or practice it's just not there for him and it's it's great that he can
22:10play you know you wouldn't want him on the nose but he could play in one technique you know four
22:15eye maybe outside there's a five there's just not a lot beyond fine like he's again more run first
22:23player you've already got two in here the upside I think is tapped out if they're worried about
22:28losing him maybe again he does squeeze into the 53 but there's nothing I can go and point to this
22:32summer and be like oh yeah he's the guy you're banking on his previous performance suddenly
22:39surfacing now in a way that has yet to in the new system with this defense because I don't think he's
22:44outperformed Tristan Hill and that's why I had Tristan Hill ahead of him even if they're slightly
22:48different players especially from a pass rush standpoint okay enough interior defensive line
22:52four more inside linebackers this brings us to 38 players Juwan Bentley, Jelani Tavai, Tavai is going
22:57to play a lot on the edge by the way so if you're worried about Anfernee Jennings, Keanu White like
23:02this is the most boring cocktail of edge rushers I've ever had well Jelani Tavai is not going to
23:06spice it up necessarily but he's strong enough to play early downs and mix it up a little bit
23:11on third down so he's there I have Raekwon McMillan and Christian Ellis in this roster
23:16and we're going to go back to you guessed it uh special teams not because there's a particular
23:22sexy topic but again when you look at the players the five or six the Patriots have right now who
23:26are starting on kick return kickoff punt return punt team those two dudes are on all four so
23:34I like them not only as core special teamers but Christian Ellis supposedly catching the eye of
23:38Dante Hightower big physical uh trigger kind of player downhill against the run he got washed
23:45out in Philly where they've needed linebackers for god knows how many years probably since the
23:49original Jeremiah Trotter was out there now that they have his son as whatever around rookie but
23:53the point being is they make it because they contribute in two phases no they're not great
23:58but eventually the Patriots will get Sione Taki Taki back at that point I think you would see a
24:02McMillan or an Ellis off the roster but for now both of them stick they're fine backup inside
24:08linebackers but they are starters on three if not all four special teams units I think it's four but
24:14um sometimes these looks change but they're I think they're going to make the team
24:18cornerback is uh another six right here the stakes is to 44 players Christian Gonzalez
24:24Jonathan Jones Marcus Jones Alex Austin Marco Wilson Isaiah Bolden in my opinion the only
24:33question mark here is Bolden that's it we're not going to talk about special teams with him
24:38but we can't talk about athletic traits 6-2 player runs a sub 4-4 this is effectively his
24:44rookie year remember he's now missed uh hasn't played in the game well he has played in a
24:49preseason game but gets knocked out in green bay scariest health concussion doesn't come back he's
24:54back now we haven't seen a ton of playmaking as far as disruption past deflections interceptions
25:01even blitzing from him so far in camp I just think those are the end of the roster players
25:05you bank on and develop a little bit more especially coming from where he did at the
25:09FCS level to make an impact I'm a little surprised also they haven't used him as a
25:13return man but I already promised we're not gonna talk special teams let's go to the top
25:16um look it's Christian Gonzalez Jonathan Jones is still their best second option opposite him on the
25:22outside Marcus Jones are really trying to make work in at nickel I haven't loved it so far and
25:28even recently in the last couple of days giving up three catches working against the scout team
25:32offense not a good sign but he's still working his way back after missing three weeks of practice
25:37Alex Austin has been routinely outside corner number three and Marco Wilson for me is up there
25:43as far as ball disruption even if he's had a couple of bad bad practices the pedigree is there
25:49the history of production Arizona I think you just trust it a little bit more even if Alex
25:54Austin's probably been a smidge better you talk about your fourth or fifth corner you take a guy
25:58who's been a starter in the league before even if he's not that player that we saw in Arizona in
26:022022 if anyone was watching Arizona in 2022 but those are my six the one name I left off here
26:09well I actually left off to Sean Wade who people forget made this roster I'm talking about media
26:16members as well like last year we're in the locker room as we will be this week after roster cuts
26:20hey congrats man well done making the team a lot of people dapped up Sean Wade last year the locker
26:26room that dude has made the roster outright several years now since he got traded from Baltimore I
26:31think it was 2021 is a fifth round pick and the Ravens were like yeah we've seen enough he is the
26:36cockroach that I say this lovingly of the cornerbacks room if there's a nuclear holocaust
26:40we'll have Sean Wade is going to still be a healthy scratch that Sunday for the Patriots for me
26:46though I think this is the end of the road they've got younger players uh more disruptive ones better
26:51in man to man and I think he's on the outside looking in but here he is I'll probably be
26:55dapping him up in a few days and saying hey congrats again making the team second name I
27:00left out is ZZ Hearn he finished with the most past breakups in camp out of anyone any position
27:07competitive team period seven on sevens and 11 11s and this is a dude who started
27:12fairly I think with the nickname ZZ Burn not particularly clever but it fit based on how he
27:19was performing not just in those periods but in one-on-ones and there were stretches when he got
27:23abused but he has really worked himself back not only outside but in the slot this is a feisty
27:30dude so here's hoping that he comes back or sticks elsewhere and builds because he's shown a
27:35persistence in a play-making again most past deflections in camp which is not everything but
27:39it's the things that we can measure and are clean and you know measurable right in front of our
27:43faces it's good for him so I hope he sticks somewhere if not here and develops more there's
27:48something there with this ZZ Hearn who was on the practice squad last year but uh not enough to make
27:52the team right now and what's I think an above average cornerbacks group across the league
27:56speaking of above average relative to the league safety we got four here takes us to 48 Kyle Duggar
28:02Jabril Peppers no notes Jalen Hawkins talking about him a while he's looking good not only is
28:09a single high safety I like him in man-to-man talk about past breakups he's near the top and
28:15this is the undrafted rookie who I didn't think was making the team whatsoever this year I didn't
28:20really like the class Del Pettis is in for me man I've seen enough and it's not just because
28:25even when I miss a practice on Thursday or Friday he has a pass breakup he's running more with the
28:31twos and he is in there for forced fumbles and laying the wood when he can now he's only been
28:37on about two special teams units which would tell me hey they're gonna make a way they're gonna find
28:41a way to get him snaps because he's not gonna play ahead of Duggar or Peppers or Hawkins for sure
28:45but for right now Marte Mapu who's been just he's not been a ghost that's not fair he's been at
28:50practice every single day he's just in street close taking mental reps um not unlike Tristan
28:55Cosmas but he's been there Del Pettis is making plays and at some point you're not good enough if
29:01you're the Patriots be like oh this is a fun story and thanks for coming out we'd love to have you on
29:04the practice squad for him to say yes he goes I know I can hang out I can play I've been doing it
29:09if you turn me down I'll go elsewhere I don't think they will I think he makes this team so
29:14there's your undrafted rookie uh the streak of like what's this 17 18 years of Patriots added
29:19run that's over uh but maybe they they start a new one with Del Pettis special teams this takes
29:25us to 52 uh Joey Sly wins the kicker competition he's 43 of 52 according to Alex Barth Mike Reese
29:33and others who have been keeping track of this again I missed a practice late this week
29:37uh Chad Ryland is not only 39 of 52 so that's four fewer makes he's had fewer from 50 plus
29:44and he has played far worse the last two weeks where again this is someone who's
29:49watched every single rep charted looked except for the two days I just mentioned
29:54and the key is to wait the more recent practices more heavily not for the sake of recency bias
29:59but to understand that this is how the coaches look at this that's often the tiebreaker who's
30:04playing better as of late because that's usually indicative of growth after three four four and a
30:09half weeks of practice a bunch of preseason games right now Joey Sly is probably a finished product
30:14right a journeyman but he's kicking really well he's kicking really really well lately and Chad
30:20Rowland has fallen off including one practice where he was one of four and one more recently
30:24that he was three of five so it's just it's not only worse it's like we can't have one of four
30:30or three of five or you know four of nine in that case over a two game three game stretch it's just
30:37we can't happen we're losing games you did last year and we all saw it uh the other two Joe
30:41Cardona's long snapper Brandon Schooler Brendan Schooler forgive me his new Matthew Slater memorial
30:47core special team roster spot though I will say this you know you think four safeties for a team
30:53that likes to play with three as its base personnel is base three safety nickel is a little bit light
30:58and you'd be right Schooler's been repping enough with the second team defense or did and can't
31:02that I think they're comfortable enough having him out there and so he would be your safety five in
31:07this place he continues to Matthew Slater tradition of having one spot reserved for a dude
31:11who's just going to dominate on special teams and that's him so that leaves excuse me Kendrick Bourne
31:16on PUP Cole Strange on the physically unable to perform list and Sony Taki Taki still looking for
31:22run stuffing defense tackle they'll take help and offense tackle I just don't think it's going to
31:27come because every single team is looking for that kind of player at that position every single year
31:33all right that was it let's get to the mailbag I love you guys I don't I don't know how we can
31:39measure this and certainly no one would care except for you probably listening right now
31:42I have the widest range of folks in my mentions where this uh person writes in is ice frog I have
31:50a goblin friend who I go back and forth with in the mentions sometimes creatures of all kinds
31:55responding to me I don't know what it is about the coverage or the podcast but bottom line thank you
32:00bottom line thank you it spices up a lot of bots or people with their initials and then
32:04seven different digits anyway from ice frog morning adri with Taekwon Thornton showing
32:09improvement lining up with the starter so far this year what do you expect his snap percentage
32:13will be and what do you think his ceiling is for catches and yards a season thank you sir
32:17oh no thank you ice frog um it's a good question I think the fair over under for Taekwon Thornton
32:24understanding he is going to have to I think start fast because you have Jalen Polk right behind him
32:29Javon Baker you would hope you would think figures it out soon thereafter I would put the over under
32:34at around 45 percent now that's obviously way higher um or it's not way higher I think it's
32:40in the neighborhood of what he's been lately but the first two years obviously he got a chance to
32:45prove himself okay he played more snaps than Kendrick Bourne did two years ago when Bourne
32:48was in the doghouse with Patricia Belichick as far as the ceiling for catches and yards
32:53I think 500 is fair I think catches would be probably 30 35 because he is going to be the
32:59big play threat like this is going to be a guy that you know and you watch we all see
33:03uh average somewhere between 14 to 18 yards per catch if they're using him the right way and I
33:09think they will we've talked about this before this is a downfield deep attacking pass offense
33:14a lot of play action shots he's suited for that and again now that he's tracking the ball better
33:19I think he's a better route runner he's not a well-rounded receiver still
33:23but if you can just do those specific things at an above average level that's incredibly
33:28valuable I just think given the surrounding competition um and what this pass off it's
33:33going to look like those numbers are probably um about where he's going to top out. Epri,
33:40Mike Reese you love Mike I would say for another he's never been on the pod he can't come on pod
33:45ESPN rules but that guy I'll tell you uh is as nice and hard-working and I'll just say as sweet
33:52a man as you would expect on Twitter he's a very good dear friend and I would say parts I mentioned
33:56me anyway Mike Reese projected Jalen Polk is number three or number four option a recent article for
34:01ESPN and a receiver run void of high-end talent should more be expected from a second round pick
34:07being quote-unquote tough and having quote-unquote strong hands Epri not coming across as a Jalen
34:12Polk fan means little if he can't separate to that last point Epri you are correct you've seen
34:17many a tough receiver with quote-unquote strong hands uh come through New England here's the thing
34:22though I've described his game as mature and that says he understands leverage is a better route
34:29runner knows how to set up certain routes and also played big not only at the catch point but I think
34:35early in the routes to win on okay this is third and four he's probably running a slant this is
34:40going to be some sort of quick game now and you run the slant you win anyway that's what Jalen
34:45Polk is now I do think that it's fair of you to expect him to be let's say a top three receiver
34:52for the Patriots this year and catches in yards maybe even touchdown receptions especially if
34:58uh Tyquan Thornton gets banged up at some point this year or they're going to run more 12 personnel
35:02which might even take Pop Douglas off the field I would say that's a bad idea but the point is
35:07yes right now he's not an instant separator he still put up insane numbers in college with this
35:12skill set and I think he's going to continue to grow because unlike I think it's fair to say
35:16Javon Baker and things that I've heard and we've watched he's on his details more than Baker is
35:21and he's less of an athlete than Baker is the guys that work like that tend to get the most out of
35:26whatever he has and what he has is good enough it's just a matter of how fast he gets to those
35:30numbers now I don't know if he'll ever get to 1200 yard season in his career but right now is
35:36the number two I think the Patriots would be happy especially as a rookie with around 800
35:41this year I would take the under on that because I think it's wise to take the under on a lot of
35:44Patriots players if you're projecting them on offense I just I would say give Jalen Polk a
35:48little bit more time they're not rushing him in the same way they're not with Drake May there
35:53are lower stakes with Polk for obvious reasons but I think they're just going to make him earn it
35:57but by week four or five I would be shocked if he's not a full-time starter seeing 75 percent
36:03of the snaps or more so one thing they don't tell you about this job is you get one question a lot
36:09hey do you get tickets uh no I don't I have one press pass it's got my name on it I am the only
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37:26just download game time today what time is it game time wants to know all the B reporters seem
37:33to agree Caden Wallace played well before seemingly being demoted do you have any analysis of why I
37:37would hope so I have a podcast that's why you're listening that's why I'm talking I ask with the
37:41longer term in mind it seems to me getting him on the field this year is the best thing long
37:45term for the team even if there are bumps boom I hear where you're coming from pal here's the issue
37:52Caden Wallace if they play him it's probably at this point going to be at left tackle because
37:57the chooks of core four experiment left tackle is basically over Mike and when it was now playing
38:01right tackle and so you would then be asking not just a third round rookie to play left tackle in
38:06the NFL across the Jets defensive line maybe the best in football against Nick Bosa coming in in
38:11week four all the dudes they just got to Neil Hunter went to Houston where they're going to
38:16see in week six but to do that in a new position really really difficult and I've said this here in
38:21the podcast before you go down the list of rookie tackles last 10 15 whatever years it's not pretty
38:27those guys need time to adjust to the athleticism to the techniques just at the level of competition
38:33they faced in college and even Andrew Thomas I've said this before top 10 pick looks like
38:37complete freaking bust his first year plus with the Giants now one of the best tackles in football
38:42but it took him three four years to get there that's not true for all tackles but I would just
38:47say as a third round rookie changing positions most likely he needs a little bit more time and
38:52you would say well go ahead play him you can also destroy a player if he's only winning and this
38:58this sounds high but it's incredibly low for an offensive tackle let's say 80 percent of his
39:02reps and pass protection because that means on one of every five reps he's giving up a hurry
39:07or a quarterback hit or even worse a sack which then brings the entire offense down because I
39:13think any drive last day look I want to say like 86 percent of drives somewhere in that neighborhood
39:19don't quote me exactly of drives that have a sack do not end up in the score so what you're then
39:24inviting is any drive that features five or more pass drop backs if Caden Wallace is in that
39:29neighborhood to allow pressure or a hit or sack it just invites disaster all the way around you
39:35and then the other 10 players who are going hey I'm actually winning or I'm doing enough can we
39:40just get somebody else in here it's fair to say develop him a little bit more in practice give
39:45him more time right now this is the rare instance I would say between the two players the tie is not
39:50going to go to the rookie for a team that's rebuilding because you just need to have someone
39:54who's not going to make as many mental mistakes rookies do that as well as feeling like the need
40:00to adjust to the physical difference going from college to the NFL it's just it's just a lot on a
40:05rookie uh right now for him so that's you can't sacrifice a team for one rookie let alone a third
40:11rounder who's changing positions most likely Lawrence speaking of offensive line if Michael
40:16wanted to stage a right tackle the Patriots start using more power and duo concepts have a good
40:20weekend Andrew thank you Lawrence I did uh Lawrence getting in his scheme bag so I don't think Mike
40:27is going to single-handedly decide whether the Patriots pivot from being what I believe they will
40:32be a more of a wide zone running team the other thing to consider is not just well if our offensive
40:38linemen are bigger and they don't move as well we should probably not be his own blocking team
40:42your play action pass game needs to marry and mimic your run game so if you alter and pivot
40:50as you suggest or maybe you're just at least thinking about entertaining the Patriots going
40:54from wide zone to more power or counter or duo whatever it might be you then need to change up
41:01your menu for offensive uh pass plays your play action plays so that they look like those runs
41:07and that's a sea change for an offense that's going to really be rooted in those two areas
41:11the run game and then the play action off of that so I would say I understand where you're coming
41:16from I think he's a better lineman for man schemes than zone but he's the the difference is not such
41:23that I would change the entire scheme based on that one player so I think you just need him a
41:29right tackle because you need a right tackle and then you can focus on the opposite position
41:33and however it works with the wide zone maybe you do lean a little bit more in demand but it's not
41:37going to be a significant difference because again that will affect not just the run game
41:41but how much they can play and design their play action passing sobo wants to know after you've
41:46seen uh what you've seen through training game of the preseason can you regrade the last two
41:50seasons drafts okay so I like this because every once in a while it does behoove us to look back
41:56and put on some grades but in my opinion you need at least three years to properly like let the ink
42:03dry on a grade for a draft class so just think if you ask this a year ago right you want to go okay
42:09can you grade the 2021 draft class because a year ago to be 2023 that draft class mac jones
42:16christian barmore ronnie perkins reminder stevenson and for day three picks you didn't
42:21make the roster we didn't know what was going to happen with mac jones okay and if you split the
42:27baby you split the difference and said well it's probably like a bb minus pick like he was really
42:32good as a rookie it's probably still in there we don't really know okay then you give that whole
42:36draft class probably the same grade that bb minus is a much bigger difference than what you would do
42:42now because you missed not only on the first round pick but on a quarterback so what this
42:47draft class is really looking like and we're not going to relitigate the whole mac thing
42:51but christian barmore reminder stevenson two good starters above average starters got resigned
42:56that's good but the difference is such that we know so much more about mac jones now that changes
43:02how we view that draft class or even two years out it was too early I don't think we can fairly do
43:07that now but because i'm a gracious host sobo i will give you that grade and i think the 2022
43:13draft class excuse me is looking pretty much as it did right after it was finished cole strange
43:19feels like rent i'll reach he got benched twice as a rookie inconsistent last year and they got
43:24hurt it's not his fault but he's not playing a premium position taekwondo was projected to be
43:29a fourth or fifth round pick he's performed like one marcus jones has been solid but then you go
43:34to day three jack jones who was lit up like a christmas tree with character concerns and a
43:39scouting report lives up to exactly that billy's happy's been whatever you traded pierce strong
43:44and then nothing from the other four uh day three picks so i would give it a d plus that's a d plus
43:49draft you miss in the first round pick you've likely missed in the second but we hope for the
43:52best for taekwon thornton and the obvious pitfalls the players you took after that marcus jones solid
43:59but little injury risk because he's five foot eight playing in the nfl and then jack jones who
44:04turns out to occasionally be a jackass was exactly that uh 2023 this is another big one where if
44:11gonzo and keon white hit like i would say most of us believe let's just give the optimist case like
44:17these are long-term pillars to the defense moving forward this is a b plus at worst i give it a b
44:22plus right away did a whole podcast last year saying this is why it's better than you think
44:26yada yada yada not only those two two starters if that's where it's trending right now tracking
44:33that way pop douglas and city sound that's four starters out of a draft class you're usually happy
44:39with two or three uh but to me if they do make that year two leap those two guys at the top
44:44not only just your highest picks but guys playing premium positions that would go from a b plus to
44:48an a we gotta see we gotta wait give it three years jay quincy jr do we think the sensible
44:53plan moving forward is for cole strange uh to transition to center guard looks increasingly
44:58backlogged with uh laden robinson's ascension could he be the successor to david andrews who
45:02played a few games there in college undersized smart moves well etc thoughts i think it's a
45:07fine idea um we're not going to talk about this a whole lot because i don't know how many people
45:13want to listen to a guy who's disappointed so far might not play until december but jay quincy jr
45:18i like where your long-term planning is at for the front office because you're right he is undersized
45:24right david andrews is going to come up and retire if not after this season but after next season and
45:28so you'd like to have a player who athletically profiles a player that you know be able to
45:33replace him so uh i actually forgot that he played a couple games in center hat tip to you sir i just
45:39don't think we're going to be able to answer this question or the patriots will honestly until maybe
45:44this time next year kurt kurt got a shout out earlier when i mentioned the the beer i think in
45:49the intro uh he wants to know any good beer recommendations for the pats game against the
45:54bangles in september 8th it might be a tough watch and a quality beverage will be helpful
45:58kurt i am always glad to talk beer maybe we'll add that as a new segment on this podcast we're
46:03doing mail fan we're doing four minute drills here's the thing though this time of year not
46:08only because football is finally approaching is one of my absolute favorites because sam's
46:13oktoberfest is back in a fridge near you now i'm a basic fall beer kind of guy sam's oktoberfest is
46:21the best sam's in my opinion i i would swim in that stuff i will also have a lot of shipyard
46:26pumpkinhead other super light uh basic october beer if you are into ipas kurt i will still say
46:32you can never go wrong with a good trillium or a treehouse friends of the podcast down at vitamin c
46:36they're located in weymouth and in plymouth great choices all across the board i do not think it's
46:42too late in the year for an ipa even if it's september 8th let's say even the end of september
46:46because the world is still going to very much feel outside like it's a summertime it's going to be hot
46:50a couple other ipas if you're i i don't like them bitter i like them a bit smoother so the one thing
46:55i always look for is a good citra hop so if you're like me whether it's vitamin c or trillium i don't
47:01like treehouse uses a ton of citra but wherever you're looking look for the citra hop and uh two
47:06more things i'll say i had this a couple of years ago up in maine it's a beer called epiphany by
47:12foundation brewing they're outside of portland um it's they say it's not a new england ipa it's a
47:19main ipa it is outstanding again epiphany by foundation brewing it's not particularly bitter
47:25there's almost like a tiny tiny bit of pine which i'm sure is why it's a main ipa anyway pick up
47:30epiphany by foundation ending trillium treehouse sam's october for shipyard pumpkinhead last thing
47:34i'll say is this because i haven't overloaded you with to me could you tell i was excited about the
47:39question uh if you're just looking basic smooth drinkable this time of year most any amber ale
47:47is going to be good and i i know a couple years ago i had a very very good amber from cambridge
47:51brewing company uh which is closing at the end of this year in clindale square so if you're nearby
47:56i just gave you plenty of options curve please write back let me know what you settled on
47:59uh at least by the season opener three more boston i think this is boston's first
48:06first mailback question you always remember your first boston and here it is isn't it consistent
48:11shuffling of the offense line an issue given the lack of talent good coaching and consistency can
48:15help cover up for gaps in talent we haven't seen that consistency be a priority with the coaching
48:19staff it's a fair point i would say there are two counters to this number one is training camp is
48:25a time for that experimentation there's always shuffling and part of the benefit of that is to
48:30find out a guy that we might have drafted to play guard say laden robinson a right guard can he play
48:35left guard because if he can do both that saves us a roster spot or let's say someone like mike
48:40unwind when 2020 was a six-round pick had always played guard in college why don't we just play
48:46him a right tackle for a little bit and the patriots learned very very quickly he could do
48:50that but the only way they learned it is to experiment or as you said shuffle the offensive
48:54line number two i would say is they don't know this is not only a new scheme a new coaching staff
49:02we talked about the strike system for the scott peters ex-offensive lineman for the league coach
49:06is an assistant for four years all under bill callahan who owes the the belt the fictitious
49:11best offensive line coach and football belt since scar retired um he's installing a totally new set
49:16of techniques that they're following so there's a lot of transition a lot of time and you need to
49:22see who can apply that the quickest which means giving a lot of playing time to a lot of different
49:26players i will say the patriots made this harder on themselves when they did not outright sign or
49:32add or trade for a left tackle and instead said well the guy we signed for one year four million
49:37bucks before free agency and shook score for he might be able to do it eric kane wallace he started
49:41for four years a right tackle he might be able to do it he's a third round rookie and either have
49:46so you're stuck again with darian lowe who i again is does not deserve to be a slur of any kind
49:52as far as or a uh to be associated that way uh with just being a bad offensive line but the point
49:58is i think they're trying to be more consistent the reason they haven't yet is because a it's the
50:02time of year and b they don't know what their best options are so you keep trying different
50:06combinations and they're going to settle moving forward and hopefully it means i'm going to a
50:10right tackle robinson right guard david edges at center city south left guard and tvd at left
50:15because that's at least what i've been saying even before me doug kyde has been pounding the
50:19table for that two more pat season ticket holder 1969 uh this feels like it's coming straight from
50:25talk radio but i i get where you're coming from this isn't the top story that bob craft has
50:30undermined his rookie head coach by not allowing him to have the budget to sign former pats off
50:34end of assistant nick kaley from the mcveigh tree leaving avp to short change base development by
50:40running jacoby's browns offense lock on here number one because i had tidbits of this at the
50:46time i didn't wrap it up the way that i i wanted to pursued it some stories you don't get both
50:51hands around this was one of them but in the tidbits i've heard since i want to keep the
50:56door open to the possibility here where yes the patriots did offense offer their offensive
51:00coordinator job to nick kaley who's a tight ends coach for the rams first of all i would not put
51:05him under the mcveigh tree because the two of them work together for all of nine ten months
51:10number two if you're nick kaley and you want to stay at home i know he has loved it in los angeles
51:19but you don't want to disrespect someone where you still have good relationships obviously back
51:24there in new england you counter with an offer that might be absolutely exorbitant like an offer
51:31you know they're not going to take and ultimately they'll turn you down i'm not saying definitively
51:36that happened but i think you would be surprised as we all were that a guy who has never been an
51:42offensive coordinator would have come home to run the show they're familiar with the staff and
51:46familiar with the players said no to that opportunity even though we interviewed and
51:50flew out so that's just something to keep in mind as far as short changing maze development look they
51:54can absolutely uh walk and talk at the same time and shoot gun and they're doing that may should
52:01have had more reps with the starting offensive line earlier in camp i think they were just too
52:04optimistic about their backup offensive line i was not but the browns offense is a fine offense
52:11that they're more or less copying and pasting here the drills underpinning it are drills that
52:15have been run since the late 70s that help mold aaron rogers honestly joel montana did some of
52:20the same footwork stuff the timing the concepts everything that holds us together is good proven
52:25offensive football obviously it looks a lot better when you have players like they do in cleveland
52:30starting with a great offensive line nick chubb umari cooper david nojoku more recently a tight
52:37end to bring that to life so the fact that it struggles is more to do with the talent as it
52:41always is in the coaching and the structure only in most extreme examples of great schematics or
52:47horrible organization and execution isn't mostly on the coaching alex van paul i think it's going
52:52to be fine it's something that's going to blow you away but we know the talent is already
52:56underwhelming us so it's not jacoby percet's fault i don't think it's alex van paul's fault
53:00i don't think it's robert craft's fault there are a lot of things here it was an unattractive job
53:04i know multiple candidates were underwhelmed about the process when they talked with the
53:07patriots and here we are but i think the patriots could have done a lot worse than the guy who played
53:12quarterback has coached them for over 20 years and has been around a lot of different systems
53:17to pull what he likes from other spots uh it doesn't mean he's going to succeed or thrive
53:21or even last more than two seasons but honestly give him more time to think about it and i
53:26wasn't giving this a big resounding a plus move even a b there might there's probably a higher
53:32floor here with alex van paul given the lack of talent in his background then there would have
53:37been with nick caley as a first year first time offensive coordinator who's never coached
53:41quarterbacks and now you have a number three overall pick that you're in charge of or handing
53:46it to somebody else in your coaching tree your experience uh yeah you had the one year with
53:50mcday but zach robinson took all those dudes to atlanta so it's not like he's pulling anyone to
53:54come back here and install that system he probably would have gone back to old patriot stuff okay i
53:58wouldn't wait too long there let's wrap with carlos hey andrew do you expect the new staff
54:02to continue the tradition i think this means staff is like the front office the tradition of guys
54:07catching the fox world flu right before cut down day so hey so-and-so is going to be out a month
54:12why don't we stash them on into reserve are there any banged up bottom of roster players that might
54:16catch it um yeah it's a good question i i don't think so i also think that was a classic belichick
54:27loophole that they used all the time certain years it's warranted like who knew where isaiah
54:32boland's brain was uh the days after that game against backers and just like look you're seventh
54:37rounder you'll be happy to hang out stay develop take mental reps study the playbook whatever
54:41that's what you did i would say marty mapu here is a good one either as a season-long candidate
54:48or as someone because this is new this year this is something to keep in mind for tuesday
54:52you can designate players to return from my art on cut down day to then return within four weeks
54:59after that just like during the regular season you have a certain number of them i think it's eight
55:03total players each team can designate to return from injured reserve might be six
55:08and so the patriots can do that on cut down day martin mapu is the candidate for that
55:12the other injured guys are mostly on the pup list and everyone else i think they're just kind of
55:15taking it easy so the short answer is no mapu would be my best guess uh but beyond that you
55:21know i think hunter henry's gonna be back in a little bit everyone else who's been hurt um
55:27christian barmore might be another good one um but they've at least been around which says to
55:31me they're not that far off if they're running conditioning near the drills etc etc all right
55:36this is probably history making solo episode i desperately need to have a tea or something just
55:42my throat we have an hour left till the patriots kick off in the preseason thank you for listening
55:46thank you for watching if you have a second please rate in review this helps me get better
55:52this helps us grow as a show we can do more fun things like talking to players we will have
55:56another four minute drill we have two more episodes we will have a lot of fun and laughs
56:00coming up this week and of course roster cuts tuesday at 4 p.m until then here is your roster
56:04projection and mailbag question answers uh we will see you soon and we made it less than two weeks
56:11this season over
56:29you