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00:00And today's program is in the backdrop of yesterday, when Tariq-e-Insaf held a big Jalsa in Islamabad.
00:06The significance of this Jalsa is also high because after 8th February,
00:10Tariq-e-Insaf, Punjab and Islamabad have been holding Jalsas in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
00:14They had not yet got a chance to hold a Jalsa.
00:17They got the NOC of the Jalsa and it was generally withdrawn at the last minute.
00:24And after taking back that NOC, Tariq-e-Insaf would usually cancel their Jalsa as well.
00:29But this time, Tariq-e-Insaf had already been assured that the Jalsa would take place.
00:34The Jalsa was a big and powerful show of Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:38The Jalsa took place in an environment where the roads from Islamabad to Jalsa Gah
00:44were closed at 25 to 30 places.
00:48Containers were installed.
00:50The traffic coming in and out of the city was stopped in those containers.
00:56The Jalsa took place in this environment.
00:58The markets and restaurants near the Jalsa Gah were shut down.
01:03The Jalsa took place in this environment.
01:06Tariq-e-Insaf people were successful in reaching the Jalsa Gah in this environment.
01:15What does that signify?
01:16Despite 30 to 40 obstacles, people came out to attend Tariq-e-Insaf Jalsa.
01:24Remember, Imran Khan is not here.
01:26The biggest factor in crowd-pulling is that when a big leader comes, people come out.
01:33Imran Khan is in jail.
01:35Despite that, people came out and became a part of this Jalsa.
01:41Irfan Siddiqui established a law that became a law.
01:46Before I go into the rest of the matters,
01:48that law became that if you do Jalsa without permission,
01:52and if you repeat the same mistake again,
01:55God forbid,
01:56you will be sentenced to 10 years in prison.
01:58In democratic countries, protest is a fundamental right of any person.
02:02Even the state has the right to make the conditions,
02:07to determine the place where a protest can take place so that ordinary life is not affected.
02:13But the way we have criminalized protest,
02:16If you protest, you will be sentenced to 3 years in prison and 10 years in prison.
02:22The government that shut down Islamabad and Pindi,
02:26you will want to answer that if the government shuts down,
02:29what will be the punishment for that?
02:31Will DC, AC, or the commissioner be punished?
02:34Because your primary goal was to prevent the city from traveling.
02:38But here, whenever there is a Jalsa call, you put containers everywhere,
02:41whether it is of religious or political communities.
02:44Tariq-e-Insaf needed to think about this.
02:48As I said, people came out even in the absence of Imran Khan.
02:52Why did they come out?
02:53People come to see and listen to the leaders.
02:56If there is no leadership, people do not come out.
02:59Why did they come out?
03:00This is against the system.
03:02After 8th February,
03:04this opportunity was given to the people of Islamabad,
03:07and to the people of Punjab.
03:09The people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa have already held a Jalsa.
03:12This was a message against the political oppression
03:17of those people who belong to Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:21They were not allowed to express themselves.
03:24They were not allowed to hold a Jalsa.
03:26Their symbol was taken from them in the elections.
03:29People came out to record their protest.
03:34Ali Ameen's speech in Gandapur was very intense.
03:36There was a lot of talk about this.
03:38I have been listening to it for two days.
03:40I think it was a very intense speech.
03:42But what would be the reason for their speech to be so intense?
03:45Is it right or wrong?
03:47There is a lot of debate on this.
03:49We journalists often say,
03:51you listen to us on TV,
03:53that there is no relief in the system for Imran Khan.
03:57As long as it is possible,
04:00as long as he can be kept,
04:02he will be kept inside.
04:04This is what the journalists tell you all day.
04:06This means that the leaders of Tariq-e-Insaf,
04:08who are in jail,
04:10whose name is Imran Khan,
04:12have already been punished for 30-40 years.
04:14And everyone will tell you that
04:16they will be punished in the case of 190 million,
04:18or in the case of Tosha Khan.
04:20If there is no relief already,
04:22and their problems are increasing,
04:24then what is there to lose for Tariq-e-Insaf?
04:26What is the problem that will increase?
04:28They are already in jail.
04:30How much more will they be put in?
04:32I think that Tariq-e-Insaf has decided
04:34that after a year and a half,
04:37we will need to increase the level
04:39of terrorism in politics.
04:41The outsiders may find it difficult.
04:43Our guests were supposed to come today,
04:45Sheikh Waqas Akram.
04:47He sent a message that he is afraid
04:49that the police will catch him
04:51or he will be beaten up.
04:53We do not know.
04:55We have received a message.
04:57But maybe this is the reason
04:59why he is not coming.
05:01The outsiders will see this reaction.
05:03The insiders will not have to see this reaction.
05:05We have heard a lot about
05:07Tariq-e-Insaf's trial in the military court.
05:09In his speeches,
05:11Tariq-e-Insaf has said in very
05:13eloquent words that
05:15he will not tolerate
05:17Imran Khan's trial in a military court.
05:19But what will happen?
05:21Only time will tell.
05:23But I think
05:25the message of all this was
05:27that everything else is fine,
05:29but the military court trial
05:31may not happen.
05:33And I think
05:35the political elite
05:37of PTI
05:39had no other option.
05:41If you remember,
05:43when you talk to a Pakistani leader
05:45and ask him
05:47what the pressure is on him,
05:49he says that the biggest pressure
05:51is on the workers.
05:53You came to the assembly,
05:55you came to become a minister,
05:57you said that we will vote for Imran Khan.
05:59When this pressure
06:01was released,
06:03there was a backlash
06:05in Tariq-e-Insaf's workers.
06:07I think to dispel that impression,
06:09there was a need to make
06:11tough speeches.
06:13In this assembly,
06:15there were tough speeches
06:17from Ali Min Gandapur
06:19and other leaders.
06:21Is this a declaration of war
06:23on behalf of Tariq-e-Insaf?
06:25This is the biggest question.
06:27Will politics be in the same tone
06:29If you allow me,
06:31Mr. Asad Qaiser is here.
06:33Mr. Rai and Mr. Ghumar are here.
06:35I will ask Mr. Qaiser about it.