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00:00The news is, first of all, if you're just joining us, he's out. He's out week two, but listen to where the conversation goes next when Kyle Shanahan is asked about it earlier today.
00:12Game injuries, Huff will be doubtful, Dean Winters is questionable, and McCaffrey's out.
00:17Does Christian need any kind of procedure or anything of that nature?
00:21No procedure.
00:22Is it early in the week? IR is still not an issue?
00:25It's something we're considering now. Yeah, yesterday was his worst day. It's on and off, but with yesterday having the most pain, it's something we're going to be discussing here in the next 24 hours.
00:35Something we're going to be discussing here in the next 24 hours. So I'd be shocked if within the next 24 hours he's not on IR because, again, not that it's being discussed, but think of what we know here.
00:48He just said yesterday was his worst day and then added that the pain was bad and he didn't have to share that.
00:58Like, they ask him about IR and he's just like, ah, he could have been like, we're not there yet.
01:04But once you say to the media, this is something we're considering and a discussion that we'll have over the next 24 hours, I don't know, I find it hard to believe that they're not going to come out of that discussion by putting him on IR.
01:17Yeah, because think about it in terms of Christian McCaffrey and his calf and his Achilles tendon.
01:22So he experienced the most pain that he has, and that was yesterday into today before practice.
01:28So if you're going to wait 24 hours to make that decision, does that mean you're going to check back in with Christian's leg tomorrow?
01:34And if it's a lot better after one day, then you don't put him on IR.
01:39Or do you not even check back in with him because you've got to get up and go to Minnesota?
01:45And do you just realize that it's not going to be better?
01:48So then you make a decision accordingly.
01:50Well, and largely the person who's talking here is not even necessarily the decision maker when it comes to this.
01:56Kyle is going to refer to what the doctors are telling him.
02:00And we had a doctor on, and he said it was very concerning that you've done all of this work, all of this rest, all of the treatment that no doubt he's getting.
02:11And as you try to ramp up to game weeks now twice in a row, not only was the answer no, but it's getting worse.
02:18That's incredibly concerning.
02:20Yeah.
02:21So how on earth would you sit here today and somehow look at the situation and think that he'll be able to play football in the month of September, and if he can't, IR?
02:31Exactly.
02:32And even if he's a maybe for next week and week three, and you go through the same process again next week, maybe you get to next Friday and you realize, well, he can't go again.
02:42And now you're going to put him on IR, which puts him out through week six.
02:46At some point you have to make the hard choice early in order to allow him to come back and get better.
02:51And I liked what Matt Mayoco asked Kyle about any procedure.
02:55And I think for me, a procedure would also include injections.
02:59Dr. Pandya came on and talked to us about a PRP injection that potentially could be a treatment.
03:05And from what I heard Kyle say, I don't think that he was just talking about surgery, but no procedure on the Achilles.
03:13I wonder about it.
03:14I don't know.
03:15I don't know.
03:16I got to think that a lot of that stuff has already been tried.
03:19No, if he really has been dealing with this since January.
03:22I mean, you're talking about a major name, a major team with major goals and a major investment.
03:28I got to think that if somehow now for a period of time or seven or eight months, this is not reacting the way they want it to.
03:36They probably tried a whole lot of stuff would be my guess.
03:40Potentially.
03:41Not surgery.
03:42Right.
03:43That's how I took it.
03:44You might be right.
03:45I don't know.
03:46I mean, if you have the PRP or I've had cortisone shots, which it works on a short term basis.
03:52Maybe he's at a spot where, you know, he's had those things and he still is in pain, which is possible.
03:58Or maybe you're holding off on those treatments until you really, really need him.
04:02And you're trying to get him healthy the natural way.
04:05You don't want to go the PRP route or cortisone or Toradol or anything else that's pain relieving.
04:11You want him to get right through natural healing.
04:14And he just hasn't been able to do so.
04:16Rick in Fremont.
04:17Let's keep going with the phones.
04:18888-957-9570.
04:20If McCaffrey goes on IR, are the Niners still Super Bowl favorites?
04:24Also, what do you expect their record to be at the end of that stint if and again, lots of hypotheticals.
04:30I get it.
04:31But if he was going to be just those five games that would be required, what do you expect the Niner record to be?
04:37Rick in Fremont.
04:38Hi, Rick.
04:39Thanks for calling.
04:40Hi, guys.
04:41Thanks for taking my call.
04:42I've got a couple of points I'd like to make if I could.
04:45I don't think the 49ers are Super Bowl favorites without McCaffrey.
04:49I know they won one game.
04:50They look really good doing it.
04:52I made this point earlier in the week.
04:54If you look at their points per game differential with and without McCaffrey, that's a nine-point swing over the last two years.
05:00And the numbers are identical.
05:0129 with him, 20 without him.
05:03So the sample size indicates that they struggled to score too many points without him in there.
05:08Rick, can I interrupt?
05:10Can I interrupt?
05:11Because I don't understand.
05:12I don't understand where you're getting – like when was the – since Christian got here, there hasn't been any without Christian.
05:20But there's also pretty immediately we got a new quarterback.
05:25So, like, excuse me if I feel like you're sort of attributing a bunch of stuff to Christian that I'm not sure we can quite do.
05:33So I believe that they have played four games over the last two years without him.
05:39Or actually seven games.
05:41I could be wrong on that, but I was looking at the stats the other day.
05:44I think you are.
05:45And in those games.
05:46Yeah, I don't think that's right.
05:48Grandy, can you look that up?
05:49I'm remembering obviously –
05:50Well, he played 16 games last year.
05:52Right.
05:53He played 16 games last year, Rick, and the one he missed was the one that everybody missed, which was the game at the end of the year against the Rams.
06:00Got it.
06:01So it might be what I'm thinking there.
06:04The other point that I'd like to make is, you know, with McCaffrey you're dealing with not just a running back.
06:09So the running back by committee theme doesn't really work with McCaffrey because McCaffrey is a real threat out of the backfield or when he's spread out as a wide receiver.
06:19And the other team knows that they cannot just match up a linebacker when he's a threat in the receiving game.
06:25They have to match him up with the safety.
06:27And that's one safety less that's going to cover your wide receivers.
06:31So I think it's a little bit more nuanced.
06:33I think the other defenses will tee off on the wide receivers a little bit better without the lack of, you know, pass catching running back from the minors.
06:43And the last point I'd like to make is going back to what Doug Pandia said.
06:47Even if he comes back in week five or after week five or week six, what's he going to look like?
06:53Because he has to rest it.
06:55It's not like he's going to be working out on the sidelines unlike other injuries.
06:59He's going to have to completely ice it and stay on the shelf.
07:02So what's he going to look like?
07:04So I'm leaning more towards your assessment there, Mark, where I'm assuming they're going to have to play with McCaffrey without the better part of the season.
07:12Rick, thank you very much.
07:14So a couple things on that.
07:15First of all, confirm that once Christian arrived on this team, he has only missed one game, and it was the game they purposefully sat everybody last year against the Rams.
07:24On the other point, though, where he references what Doc said, I'm just managing and each fan can do this.
07:31You'd like manage your own expectations.
07:33This is enough for me to just be like, look, I'm going to wrap my head around the idea that Christian might not be available or his normal self for the whole year.
07:41And if I'm wrong, actually, it's not an opinion.
07:44I'm just preparing myself for that.
07:46If something other than that happens, wonderful.
07:50But that's a totally fair question, which is to say, okay, you get through an IR stint.
07:55You're feeling better.
07:57Like you go out there, you have no idea.
08:00That thing could flare up right away on you.
08:03And then you're right back to square one or you might not perform at the same level you were before.
08:10I don't know.
08:11That feels like something that there's a solid chance they're going to be dealing with throughout the year.
08:16For sure.
08:17And he might be dealing with this throughout his career.
08:19Nothing is promised.
08:20Tomorrow is not promised, especially when you're in the National Football League, where the injury rate is 100%.
08:26And now you have one of these injuries that if it gets worse and if a really bad thing happens in that part of your body, it's nine months.
08:34And there's no two ways around it.
08:35You're out for nine months.
08:37And as a running back at 28, coming up on being 29, you might be on the downside of an unbelievable career because of this particular injury if it gets worse.
08:47And so that's just the reality of the sport and the nature of this injury.
08:51So, yeah, you're going to do everything you can to get him as close to right as you possibly can and then play him.
08:58And if something bad happens, there's nothing you can do about it.
09:01So we want to keep going on the phones and we will.
09:04I just want to let you know, though, that in five minutes or less, I want to play something for you that came up on the morning roast when Baldy was there at the beginning of the week.
09:14Because it is my belief that we have now swung the pendulum a little bit too far in the other direction.
09:20And what I mean by that is Monday calmed us down at such a level that now we're cruising around like the Niners are the same entity with or without Christian.
09:30And that's just, in my opinion, flat out not the case.
09:33And that's taking nothing away from Mason, who was wonderful and I firmly believe can be pretty good, if not really good, all year long.
09:43But even if he is, even if he is, that still doesn't make them Christian McCaffrey's 49ers.
09:50This is a hit even if Mason does go out and run for 13 or 1400 yards this year like this.
09:58This will be a lesser performing offense, in my opinion.
10:02Yeah, and I think that's a fair way to put it.
10:04You've got a guy who was top five in the MVP last year, so that's a safe bet to say your offense won't be as good.
10:10It doesn't mean that you will win any fewer games.
10:14It just means you have to go about things in a different fashion.
10:17And maybe you won't be an automatic 30-point offense.
10:20You were on Monday night without Christian McCaffrey, but that's going to be tougher.
10:24Minnesota's defense is as good as the Jets, in my opinion, in many ways.
10:28The way they crowd the line of scrimmage and they really focus on stopping the run.
10:32That becomes a more interesting game for me without McCaffrey.
10:35So now, Jordan Mason, the book's out on you.
10:38Everybody watched Monday Night Football and everybody saw you have 28 carries in what you did in the run game.
10:44Minnesota's going to go out there and try to snatch his soul.
10:47And they're going to try to beat him down and take away Jordan Mason's cute little start to his career as a starting running back.
10:54So this might be a Brock Purdy game.
10:56I was just going to say go ahead and start Brocking your fantasy games this weekend if you do that.
11:00I would love that.
11:01Go ahead and focus.
11:03Put 8 or 9 in the box.
11:05Go right ahead.
11:06And then be like, but we're going to fool Brock with misdirection.
11:09Go ahead.
11:10I love that.
11:11Niners 37-14 if you do that.
11:14And you know what I loved watching last year's game even though they lost?
11:17Is Brandon Flipp and Iyuk was carving them up.
11:20He was great.
11:21He was fantastic last year.
11:22I hope he's back to his normal self in this one.
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11:42How about Ryan and Irvine?
11:44Ryan, thank you for calling.
11:45What's good?
11:46What's up?
11:47Hey, guys.
11:49To answer your question, are they favorites, I would say no, they're not favorites.
11:54How could they be over Kansas City?
11:56I think Kansas City obviously is the favorite.
11:59But I mean, I think if Kyle's already, I agree with you guys,
12:03if Kyle's already talking about they're considering putting him on IR,
12:06I think it's a done deal.
12:07I think they've already decided it.
12:09They just are kind of slowing down the news, you know,
12:14that that's what they're going to decide to do.
12:16But I think there's a silver lining in this.
12:20I think if he goes on IR,
12:23and there's no telling whether he's going to come back this season,
12:27which we don't know that.
12:29And if they win a Super Bowl, it's going to be because of two things.
12:33Number one, Brock Purdy had to win some games for the 49ers.
12:38Like he will be the focal reason,
12:40the primary reason why they won some games.
12:44And that's going to make us feel a lot better about, you know,
12:47paying him like a franchise quarterback, right?
12:50And then two, this is going to be Kyle's,
12:54I think most challenging season,
12:56because I think one of the biggest differences between someone like him and
13:01Andy Reed is trust.
13:03I definitely think that's like a huge difference between the two coaches.
13:07Andy Reed seems to trust rookies a lot more than Kyle does because he just
13:14looks at, Hey, if you are really good at one or two things,
13:18I'm just going to use you for those things.
13:20And then I'm going to give you on the job training to get you up to speed
13:24with the other things I need you to do.
13:26Kyle has a difficult time with that.
13:28And so Isaac Garendo, like you can even hear it in his voice.
13:32He, he struggles to give him like a lot of credit, like, Oh yeah,
13:36we're going to be using them and everything, you know,
13:38but I think if they're going to be successful this year,
13:41it's going to be because Kyle's going to have trust in his young guys and,
13:45and obviously Purdy is going to be, you know,
13:48getting them over the hump in some of these games without McCaffrey.
13:51I wonder about that, Ryan. Thanks. I appreciate that. Like I, the idea of,
13:56okay, the trusting rookies thing.
13:58We talk about it with Steve Kerr and, and the Warriors all the time.
14:02We're told,
14:04we're told by people who play the game that Kyle Shanahan's offense and his
14:09scheme are probably the hardest to learn.
14:12But if we're going to zero in on Garendo, I do want to remind everyone,
14:16I'm not going to discount your point,
14:18but I want to remind everyone that Garendo literally got hurt this year.
14:22The first time he touched the ball in camp day one and he was hurt bad.
14:28And so as a rookie, when you miss and he missed at least half of camp,
14:33when you do that, you're, you're behind.
14:36Now they did dip his toe in the water on Monday night.
14:39Kyle said they liked what they saw. I think that he,
14:42you're going to get more of him. I don't think, I don't think 28 carries a game.
14:47I don't think that's going to happen.
14:49Yes.
14:50I do think that you're going to probably see a little bit of Garendo this
14:52weekend.
14:53And you're also going to start to see maybe some free agent activity.
14:57I mentioned Keyshawn Vaughn a couple of times. He's on the practice squad.
15:01He's a Superbowl champ having one, one with Tampa, his rookie year.
15:05He's a guy who hasn't carried the ball a lot,
15:07but he's been around for five seasons. Now Matt breed is a street free agent.
15:12I saw some people talking about Latavious Murray who's out there.
15:16So you could bring in another body to just augment the running back room.
15:20If he's going to be gone for a while.
15:22Name. I promised everybody. Does this do anything for you?
15:25You already brought them up today, but you didn't bring them up in this form.
15:29Jet McKinnon, the jet.
15:32He's out there. The chief's let him go.
15:3532 years old free agent.
15:38Of course said some things when he left here that kind of turned people off.
15:43And, and maybe he's dust. I don't know. He's 32 years old.
15:46He's had two torn ACLs man knows the offense.
15:49Sounds like a biplane to me that he brings.
15:52He brings the aspect that you sort of lose when you go from Christian to
15:58Jordan.
15:59Like Mason is a more traditional running back.
16:01Christian McCaffrey was such a dual threat.
16:04Devo Samuel, a dual threat. Jet McKinnon.
16:07He's real good catch and passes out of the backfield.
16:10I don't know. Just a thought.
16:12Got brought up by a couple of our listeners.
16:14Two rings for McKinnon. He's a two ring guy.
16:17Yeah. None of them were here.
16:18No former Viking.
16:19So maybe you can give you some Intel on what Minnesota did 10 years ago.
16:22I don't mean for this week.
16:23I know, but I do think that if they make a mistake,
16:26They're going to have to add another running back because as it is right
16:29now, it's Jordan Mason, 28 carries.
16:32And then you've got Isaac Garendo who's behind in a rookie Patrick
16:36Taylor, Jr.
16:37And as I mentioned,
16:38Keishon Vaughn, those two are kind of of the same ilk guys who were like,
16:42you know, your fifth outfielder.
16:43If you were a baseball team,
16:44guys who were just kind of there and you don't really want to give them
16:47the ball unless you have to.
16:49I think they had Isaiah Camp.
16:50I don't know.
16:52Yeah.
16:53I mean, you're not looking, I mean, obviously, gosh,
16:55like prayers up for Mason's health through all of this.
16:58And that's the really scary thing.
17:00But yeah, you're right now.
17:02You're just looking for somebody to come in and do three or four carries a
17:05game.
17:06That's really all you're looking for.
17:08I think.
17:09And yes, this is going to lean more on the running back.
17:11I think it's going to lean more on the running back.
17:13I think it's going to lean more on the running back.
17:15I think it's going to lean more on the running back.
17:17I think it's going to lean more on the running back.
17:19And yes, this is going to lean more on Brock.
17:22And it is flipping fascinating when you start thinking about what people
17:28wanted Brock to show them before you give them a contract.
17:32It's fascinating to think that he may get at minimum a five-game stretch to
17:38show you what the offense can look like if there's no Christian McCaffrey.
17:42And if your prediction rings true, Dibbs,
17:45if these guys are 5-0 without Christian, cha-ching!
17:50Oh, hell yes!
17:51Yeah, Brockster's millions going up.
17:53You don't think the agent's going to bring that up?
17:56Oh, product of Christian McCaffrey.
17:57Oh, really?
17:58What was his record when Christian didn't play?
18:00Well, it was 5-0 and stuff.
18:035-0!
18:04Yeah, oh.
18:05I mean, of course Brock's going to get an earful of that.
18:07Especially if he does it against the Minnesota team that will sell out to
18:11stop the run.
18:12And you saw last year's game where McCaffrey had 45 yards on the ground.
18:16Purdy had a 17-yard run, and that was about it for the Niners on the ground.
18:20They didn't run it very well because Minnesota is going to sell out to stop
18:24the run.
18:25If they do that same thing, which it looks like they did in Week 1 against
18:29the Giants, Brian Flores, very aggressive D.C. and Minnesota,
18:32it's going to be a Brock game anyway.
18:34I would imagine that Brock Purdy's going to be asked to do a lot in this game
18:39because you've got J.P. Mason off a short week and 28 carries.
18:43This feels like it's going to be more of a pass-happy approach by Shanahan.
18:468-8, 9-5-7, 9-5-70.
18:49Matty Barrows in 10 minutes covering the team.
18:52We'll get the latest.
18:53Let's go to Scott in Monterey.
18:55Hi, Scott.
18:56Thanks for calling.
18:57Hey, gentlemen.
18:58Hey, happy Friday.
19:00We have a great matchup with the Vikings coming up,
19:04so definitely look forward to that.
19:07I just want to address with CMC,
19:09if we're looking at the early end of this schedule right now,
19:14if he has to go on the IR for four weeks,
19:17I feel confident that we could,
19:20with the roster that we currently have in place,
19:22I feel like we could pull off a few W's there,
19:25and hopefully by the time we match up against the Chiefs and the Cowboys,
19:30CMC will have enough time to heal up and be ready to go.
19:35The good thing about Jordan, though,
19:37is that he put in a lot of time in the offseason catching the ball
19:43and working with the jugs machine,
19:45and all reports from training camp looks like he's been improving pretty vastly
19:51on his pass-catching ability.
19:53So having him as a three-down asset in place of CMC definitely helps out a lot.
19:59Obviously, he's the best offensive player in the NFL,
20:02so not having him sets us back,
20:05but I feel pretty confident that Jordan can hold the load
20:10while CMC is still recovering.
20:13Anyway, I hope you guys have a great weekend, and let's get a W.
20:16Scott, thanks. Appreciate it.
20:18That's what I'm getting at, and take a listen to this.
20:21It's not that I don't share that opinion.
20:23Jordan Mason was fantastic, and the Niners are not built on one player.
20:28I don't know where it goes if the quarterback sits out.
20:31That's a hell of a drop-off, and that, as I sort of detailed a bunch yesterday,
20:35to me that's a different starting point in the NFL
20:38when you're talking about losing your quarterback.
20:40The drop-off is just so great.
20:42Even Tua last night, who did not have a good night prior to him getting hurt,
20:47you see what happens on most teams when the backup comes in.
20:51It's just like running back, check down, check down, check down,
20:54sack, sack, check down, check down, let's go home.
20:57So high-level quarterbacks, I think, are different.
21:00But other than that, the 49ers are not built on one player,
21:03not even Trent Williams, not Fred, not Nick, not Christian.
21:07There is a drop-off there, but the game on Monday, Dibbs, in my opinion,
21:14has given us a little bit too much confidence
21:18in terms of what the 49ers would look like without Christian for a period of time.
21:23I wanted to throw this into the conversation.
21:25What Brian Baldinger said at the morning roast on Monday,
21:29or I guess it would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday, after the game,
21:34and was sort of thrown this idea of if the Niners have to exist
21:38for a period of time without Christian,
21:41can they keep up the same level of production?
21:44But you can't play at the same level without Christian McCaffrey.
21:47Credit George Mason and everything else on Monday night,
21:50but you're not going to play at the same level without him.
21:52He's just too much of a force for Kyle Shanahan to move around
21:57and put in different positions and exploit matchups in a passing game.
22:01But, you know, he has this history now,
22:03and I'm the biggest Christian McCaffrey fan there is.
22:05But he has this history.
22:07He had 400 touches one year in Carolina,
22:09and he was banged up for much of the next two seasons.
22:12Yeah, I think that that's important to continue to put out there.
22:16There's a drop-off. There's all kinds of things you can't do.
22:20You can still go, yeah, I'm not arguing that they're not still really good.
22:24I'm not arguing with him either, but there's a drop-off.
22:27So you go from beating the Jets by, whatever, 19, you were up,
22:31and they made it lipstick on a pig, and you won by 13.
22:35So, yeah, you're going to go down a level.
22:37Does that mean that suddenly now you're going to lose 13 points a game?
22:41I still think that what you have is good enough
22:43to beat the majority of the teams on your schedule,
22:46especially in the early part of the schedule.
22:49You're right. You can't expect to have that same level week in and week out,
22:53but your step-down level is still going to be good enough to win most weeks.
22:58I keep refreshing the Super Bowl odds page with this news.
23:03The news, as far as the odds are concerned,
23:05is just that Christian McCaffrey is out this week.
23:08He will not play this week, but the 49ers have suggested
23:11they are considering over the next 24 hours putting him on IR.
23:14That would mean he's also out week three, week four, week five, and maybe longer.
23:18And as we stated off the top of the show,
23:20the 49ers' Super Bowl odds were plus 550,
23:23narrowly second behind the Kansas City Chiefs, who are at plus 500.
23:28You've got to go all the way to plus 1100 to get the next group,
23:31which is now the Lions, Eagles, and Bills.
23:33After their performance last night, they're now 2-0.
23:36So the Niners were plus 550 prior to this news,
23:40and now are at plus 550.
23:45The exact same place they were before.
23:48Vegas has not moved the Niners a muscle after this news.
23:52For the future.
23:53And if he goes on IR, I wonder if that then changes the number.
23:58Maybe it goes to plus 600.
23:59I don't think it moves that dramatically.
24:01I do know that the spread has gone from five to four and a half
24:05over the course of the last few hours,
24:07and maybe the move happened before the McCaffrey news,
24:09but I'm seeing it now at ESPN bet at four and a half.
24:15So I wouldn't expect it to move much further than that on the McCaffrey news,
24:19especially when you think about what happened Monday night with Mason.