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00:00Out to the River Islands guest line joined by Odyssey NFL insider Mark Schlereth host of the stinking truth
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00:19Detroit Lions film just kind of grinding away as I'm prepping my game and
00:24Sitting in my hotel room like just studying football. That's all I do
00:28So you got you got Lions this week. I haven't even looked ahead. Who do they have?
00:33Arizona
00:34Tell you and let me just tell you the film on, Arizona from last weekend and what Kyler Murray did
00:41That's one of the top ten performances. I've watched one of the top maybe five performances and offense. I've watched in the last decade
00:50Like what they did offensively
00:53He got to the point where?
00:55Like he was so confident and cocky
00:59He's just throwing balls. I'm like, oh you can't put you can't throw that kid. Oh, oh
01:03Wow, what's wrong like just like he's just like forget about it as a matter of fact
01:08He had a throw in this game where he is
01:12Scrambling around he's got pressure down. He goes
01:15Rolls out of pressure climbs back in the pocket rolls back out to the outside is rolling the outside
01:21He throws the ball as soon as he releases it
01:25He turns around back to the sideline is back to the the receiver puts his hand up
01:31He Steph Curry's him and starts walking back to the sideline or the guy caught it
01:37Touchdown it was he made three guys miss should have been sacked dead
01:42The right throws the ball turns around Steph Curry style just walks off the field
01:47I mean, this is it was one of the most ridiculous performances. You will ever witness
01:52Wow, and you're watching tape of the of Kyler do that to the Rams?
01:58Which is of course the 49ers opponent this week. So are you seeing that they are vulnerable?
02:04Yeah, the Rams are in trouble right now the Rams have lost, you know, the majority of their offensive line
02:11They've lost hook in the cooler. They've lost Cooper Cup
02:15Those guys are the kind of the the
02:19Is just the engine if you will?
02:22just kind of the
02:23the guys who make it all go so like
02:28They're in trouble and the one thing about the about the Rams and and you just kind of got to understand how they're built
02:34Like the Rams are a power run football team
02:40Downhill football team disguises a spread team
02:43So they run and they get a lot of favorable looks because
02:48Puking Akua and Cooper Cup oftentimes. They'll they'll tell you they'll run 12 personnel like two tight end personnel
02:56runplays out of that 11 personnel
02:59They call it 11 and a half personnel because you don't ever expect those guys to run
03:04You know motion across the formation and work in combination with the offensive tackle and and basically run, you know
03:10It's like a tray block what and and these guys at wide receiver can do it. And so it's not something
03:17it's not things that you work on as
03:19You know as a defense and so they get you in a lot of interesting, you know personnel groupings
03:26Because those those two guys, you know are basically spread personnel, but they block like tight ends
03:32And so they'll get you in you know
03:34And in the little people on the defensive side of the ball, they'll beat you up physically and they can't do that
03:40They they got torched
03:43In this game. They got torched by the
03:46Cardinals and the Cardinals showed no mercy
03:49They were they were like a wounded animal and the Cardinals got all over the Rams
03:54Yeah, nearly 500 yards of total offense from an Arizona team
03:59It's been one of the big bright spots from week two
04:02How did the Niners go about attacking the Ram defense without Debo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey?
04:07Do they have to change their identity of a lot of 21 personnel or can they still stick with that with Jordan Mason being?
04:14the lead back
04:15No, I mean, I think they can still Jordan Mason's been running the heck out of the ball
04:19The only thing that Jordan Mason, you know doesn't do the McCaffrey does is he he didn't split out run
04:25You know wide receiver routes and things of that nature McCaffrey so good out of the backfield catch the ball and he's
04:32Outstanding between the tackles as well as we both, you know, we all know that but we've seen that
04:37play out but
04:39You know
04:39I think they I think they continue to lean on that running game continue to lean on the play at the play action stuff all
04:45But that now all of a sudden, you know, this is what you paid IU for right?
04:49Yeah, you could is wanted to be a top three wide receiver want to be paid like a top three wide receiver
04:55Well, you know, I've said it from day one. You're not so you're gonna take less than that
05:00That's just the way I feel but hey now you can prove me wrong, right?
05:04You can be the go-to guy in this offense and you could be the guy that bails out
05:09Party, you can be is you know his number one guy go show everybody that that you know
05:14you you said, you know, you held in for instance for for a reason and
05:20And so now it's your opportunity to shine and and I think you you know, I think he needs to take
05:26You know take that very seriously and go out there and be the guy that takes all the pressure off the injured guys
05:31They have
05:32Mark Slareth is with us here on Willard and dibs
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05:47This football season. Okay stink. Let's talk about your area of expertise and that is the offensive line
05:54Trent Williams had a great game Monday night
05:56But needed a little rest tucked into it and then not as good of a game on
06:02Sunday, what should we expect in terms of a ramp-up based on how much camp he missed?
06:09Well, I mean, you know, I mean that and the fact that he's you know, 30 whatever years old 35 36 years old
06:17He's an absolutely dominant performer
06:20But yeah, you know, you you've got to have days to recover. I know they give him the vet days and all that kind of stuff
06:28You know, that's all that's all part of it
06:31but
06:32You know even a guy in Trent Williams. That's 80% like even if he's 80%
06:37He's still a hundred percent better than everybody else
06:40So you just line him up and you go out there and play him and one thing about Trent
06:45I respect this like that dude will miss it block occasionally because he's not just trying to block you
06:52He's trying to snatch the soul from your body while he blocks you and so occasionally, you know, he'll come off the ball
06:59you're just basically trying to end your life and then you slip him and you'll make a play and
07:07He's just all right. I'll go back to the huddle
07:09You know, you may make a tackle here or there you may make a play here or there
07:12But by the end of the game, you're gonna be so physically beat down
07:17That you're just gonna you don't want to tap out and and I respect the heck out of the way
07:22He plays the game that way like he is fearless and he is not worried about missing a block
07:28Like every now and again, he'll miss one and
07:31And you're like good for you big fella because you know, you're not getting cheated that dude does not get cheated
07:38He tries to hurt people and I I'm all for it
07:41It's like a home run hitter who strikes out but takes three massive cuts
07:45You can kind of forgive it the way you're you're breaking that down that like that that home run here that hits one
07:51It's foul, but it's in the upper deck and everybody comes out and marvels at it, right?
07:58Like yeah, how in the hell did he hit that that far? It's not even in play, but you still just marvel at it
08:04Yeah, impressive to watch him in space and you know, absolutely pancake people
08:09I can't imagine what that would be like to go up against him
08:12I do look back at the week two game against Minnesota and think about Brian Flores and what he was able to do
08:18Confusing Brock Purdy a little bit with his fronts and the Niner offense
08:21Is that something that can be duplicated by other teams the way Minnesota went about trying to slow down the Niner offense?
08:29They're so complex and they're so there's they're very sound don't get me wrong
08:36They're very sound in a very unsound fashion
08:40so they do things and they're very and they get to where they need to get to out of
08:47Out of places. They shouldn't be able to get there. So I don't think there's a way
08:53I don't really think you could duplicate what they do
08:57Simply because like I said, they will you know, you'll be walked up in an a gap and you'll be the the
09:03Deep cover to defender, you know on that side and so you got a bailout
09:10you know 26 yards from being in the a gap when they snap the ball like it it's stuff that you just are like
09:16That's unsound
09:18In in their disguise and some of their principles
09:21But they get to where they need to get to because they're so versed at doing it. They've done it so much
09:26So you're never you will never see somebody go. Oh, look they really had success in Minnesota doing this
09:35We're gonna duplicate that because it's just like what you'll end up doing is you'll end up costing yourself a game
09:43Trying to do something that you're not capable of doing and they have just done it they have coached it
09:48They have they have taught it. They have they've got you know, a hundred thousand reps at doing it
09:54You don't you know and it and it comes down to a lot of times in the NFL and I always kind of found this
10:00a little bit faulty
10:01But you know your coaching staff will see a play that somebody else ran and had great success
10:09Against a particular team and you're like, oh we're gonna steal that and we're gonna use that play
10:15Which I understand doing it and I understand the principle of doing it right because the other team had a great success
10:21But what if you don't really understand or know that play very well all the nuance of that play like I can draw it up
10:29But I can tell you what they're trying to do
10:31But there are always issues there are always problems
10:34There are always little nuanced things that that are the difference between success and no success in that particular play
10:42And so you'll grab it. You'll snatch it off film. You'll put it in you'll install it
10:47You'll coach it up to the best of your ability, but you don't really know it
10:51that's not really one of your plays and so all of a sudden you'll run the play and
10:57Something will happen and it'll be a six-yard loss and you're like damn. I didn't think about that
11:03And so that team that actually knows it that you stole it from they've coached that part up
11:09They know that part you don't and so there's always that there's always
11:15I
11:16guess there's always a
11:18potential disaster
11:20In stealing plays and stealing concepts from other people if you don't really know it
11:26If you're not really versed in it and you have never really coached that particular
11:31You know situation before Mark Slater's with us here on Willard and Dibbs 95-7 the game stink
11:36I saw a good question earlier today. Actually, I think it was a friend that asked me this
11:41For the 49ers against the Vikings without a bad game or a bad sign. How would you answer that? I
11:49Would say it was a bad game and you know, and it was
11:53I think it was a really good game by
11:56by Minnesota really good game by Kevin O'Connell
12:01And you know and and the way they attacked the 49ers I thought Fred Warner was all over the freaking place that guy was amazing
12:10But you know, I think I think more more of you know
12:14It was just a bad game. And like I said, Brian Flores that defense and they're very good. They really know what they're doing and
12:22And they're a they're a tough. They present a lot of dirty like dirty muddy looks and
12:29You know, it's that's one of those things that you know, it's not just your quarterback it's other players it's receivers
12:36It's other players that also get confused and also make mistakes. So that's just one that I would chalk up to
12:43They got us. It was a bad game. We didn't play our best. They made a couple of big plays
12:48You know, you can't give up a 97 yarder coming off your goal line
12:52Like stuff like that, you know that that's one. I would just chalk up to a man bad game
12:56We move on and a bounce-back spot potentially against Los Angeles familiar foes a team that you know
13:03McVeigh and Shanahan have gone head-to-head more than twice a year at times
13:07How much do the Niners look at the Rams as somewhat of a wounded animal on?
13:12Offense as far as being able to scheme things up defensively against a team without Cooper Cup and Pukanukuwa
13:18Yeah, I think I think it's big time, you know, I think it's you always respect your opponent
13:23But, you know, I talked to McVeigh about you know about it like they they went about and changed back into
13:30Kind of what they were
13:33Because the 49ers just physically wore them out
13:38For a lot last year there were two close games
13:41But the last couple of years the Niners have just beat the snot out of the Rams
13:45like physically just wore them out and that was part of what they addressed with their offensive line and the way they
13:52Operated as a group is they need to get more physical and and so last year they did that and I think both those games
14:00I I'm they may have split in the regular season last year. Both those games were close though as I recall
14:08But that was the part of the way they addressed
14:11What was ailing them their deficiencies was like we got a we got to be more physical so we can hang with the 49ers
14:18That's part of them. That was part of the whole kind of concept of what they were trying to accomplish
14:24The second game between the Rams and Niners was the last week of the season where the Niners were resting most of their players
14:29But you are right that the Rams did win that game. They rested most of their players too for that matter
14:35Mark, yeah, Mark Mark Slayer is joining us here on 95-7 the game. Yeah, that game was
14:40Sam Darnold versus Carson Wentz, right exactly
14:44But I mean the first game that they had where it was their players versus the Niners players
14:49I called that game as a matter of fact the Rams and it was tight. Yeah
14:53Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the Niners won that I think that was like week two
14:58last year, so
15:00Yeah, Mark
15:01We were batting this around after what we saw last night with Nick Sirianni and and the Eagles
15:08And and without kind of leading in any direction. I just want to ask you this. How would you?
15:14compare and contrast
15:16Kyle Shanahan and Nick Sirianni
15:20Well, I mean, I think that I think that
15:24Kyle Shanahan is a phenomenal football coach and
15:30has an identity of
15:32what they want to be and
15:36The Philadelphia Eagles to me or
15:39One of the most if not, you know arguably the most talented team in football and
15:46They want to be something other than they are and
15:50That's like that that is always irritating to me
15:55like
15:56There's so much so much coaching
16:00that
16:02Instead of coaching guys to what their strengths are and leaning into the strengths of those particular players
16:09so many coaches are worried about what guys aren't and
16:13I'll give you for instance, like I just coach. I just called the Giants, Washington game
16:20Daniel Jones can run the zone read pull the ball run around
16:25Run the boot keep half field reads get on the edge be explosive as an athlete
16:31Right develop or deliver the ball if you got a good running game, you know outside access and in cover three or one
16:40Control the ball like he can offer and do a lot of those things
16:44But it seems like with the Giants they're worried about making him, you know
16:48But he's not quite good enough as a drop that guy
16:52And my thought is yeah, I get that. He's not
16:57So let's lean into what he is
17:00Let's live in that world
17:02It's like Lamar Jackson is the most like I've never seen a dude that makes NFL players look like JV players
17:09But we're so you know, we we have such a want to make him a drop back, you know
17:16He's gonna drop back. He's gonna eviscerate people. That's not what he is
17:20so why don't we just lean into what we are as opposed to worrying about what we aren't and
17:27That and it it's the NFL, you know, it drives me it drives me nuts like
17:34Damn, we can be really good at being what we are
17:37I just love teams that have an identity and with Kyle. I always think you guys just have an identity
17:44I know what I know every time I turn on the film. I know we're gonna get
17:48We're to dominate the run game. We're gonna dominate the play action
17:52Everything's gonna be married together and it's gonna work perfectly
17:56Mark always great having you man. We love it. And we thank you. Thank you guys. Take care
18:01All right
18:02There he goes that was odyssey NFL insider mark slareth host of the stinking truth podcast insider calls are brought to you by Hellman's real
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