Un inusual atentado en el Líbano ha dejado siete muertos y numerosos heridos tras la explosión simultánea de 2.700 beepers, dispositivos obsoletos que eran utilizados por militantes de Hezbolá para evitar rastreos. Aunque se sospecha de la agencia de inteligencia israelí, ninguna entidad ha confirmado su participación en el ataque. Las autoridades investigan si las explosiones fueron causadas por sobrecarga de mensajes o por la inserción de explosivos en los dispositivos.
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00:00The international news of the day, not so much because there have been, unfortunately,
00:06because there have been a series of deaths and injuries in something that is an attack in the Middle East,
00:12but because of the way, because of the new style, it is still not understood what happened.
00:18The information as far as it is known is that some devices that have not been used for more than 20 years in Argentina,
00:25the Pagers or Papers or Busca Personas, 2,700 of them exploded in the hands of those who had them in Lebanon.
00:34Many of them were militants of Hezbollah.
00:37Remember that Hezbollah is part of the government in Lebanon,
00:42it is a political party that was born as a guerrilla that preserves weapons and responds.
00:48It is aligned with Iran and is against Israel.
00:51Hezbollah is much more powerful than the Palestinian Hamas,
00:54Hamas because it integrates a government, the government of Lebanon.
00:57The distrust of the people of Hezbollah said,
01:00well, we deal with this so that they can't track our cell phones
01:05and they can't even make a selective attack, shoot us with the geolocation of the cell phones,
01:10and that's why they used this older technology.
01:13But something happened.
01:15Either, there are two hypotheses,
01:17either they sent a message and made the batteries heat up until they exploded,
01:23or someone had intercepted those Pagers loads and had put some kind of explosive,
01:29either in the common battery or in some device,
01:32which at a given moment and in unison, in 2,700 cases, began to explode.
01:38Some people had them in their hands, others had them in their pockets,
01:41and that's why the different degree of injury.
01:43Others were looking at a message and their eyes were affected.
01:47There are seven dead, there are a number of injured,
01:50and in Israel there is Gabriel Astrovsky,
01:52because it must be said that from Israel no one was attributed this simultaneous attack.
01:57Gabriel, how are you doing?
01:58Hello Rolo, hello team, good morning to you, good afternoon to us, how are you?
02:04Yes, someone was attributed this movement, this attack from Israel,
02:10or Israel still did not say anything?
02:13Israel, so far, has not given any kind of confirmation
02:17regarding its participation in the electronic attack on the beepers of Hezbollah.
02:24The reality is that everything is assumed
02:28that it was an attack thought out and executed by Mossad,
02:33by the Israeli Foreign Intelligence Agency,
02:37but there is no confirmation, neither by the government, nor by the army,
02:41nor by any of the security agencies,
02:43that confirm that this electronic attack was carried out by Israel, Rolo.
02:48And what hypotheses are handled there?
02:52Look, you know that yesterday, as soon as the news came out,
02:55this happened around 3.30 p.m. local time,
02:58it would be 9.30 a.m. in Argentina,
03:02the first thing that was talked about, the first thing that was known,
03:05was this version that you said about the oversaturation of messages,
03:10and even that the signals of each of the beepers had been intercepted.
03:17Beepers that, as you said Rolo, no one has used for a long time,
03:21I think the last one I had was on Radio Espléndida in 1997.
03:25Here in Israel, no one uses beepers.
03:29With the passage of time, the position that speaks about
03:38that they were beepers that the Hezbollah militia had bought,
03:43and that before being delivered to their members,
03:48they were intercepted by the Mossad,
03:50and it was the Mossad that put the explosive charge.
03:53It is assumed that these beepers are manufactured,
03:56I calculate that they will continue to be manufactured in China,
03:58like a good part of everything that circulates around the world.
04:00The point is where they intercepted it.
04:02From Lebanon, what they said is that the Lebanese government
04:05was investigating an interception of the shipment,
04:08and to see what they put on it.
04:10But here comes the second question,
04:12what did they put on it to make them explode simultaneously to everyone?
04:16Simultaneously to everyone, and in fact,
04:18what you say about the Lebanese government is good,
04:20because even one of the versions is that it could have been the Mossad,
04:25even with the collaboration of the Lebanese government.
04:28Let's not forget, Rolo, that in reality,
04:30it is not that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government,
04:33but in fact, it has somehow taken as a hostage
04:37the Lebanese government and the entire Lebanese people.
04:39It is a terrorist organization that occupies the power
04:44de facto before the Lebanese population.
04:47So, clearly, without saying it, and of course,
04:50they will not go out to confirm it,
04:52it is also said that the Lebanese government
04:55could have had some kind of logistical participation
04:58to be able to give this blow to Hezbollah,
05:01which in some way is something that the Lebanese people ask of their government.
05:05Yes, when I had the opportunity,
05:07a few years ago I had the opportunity to enter Lebanon,
05:10to cover the previous war of Israel with Lebanon,
05:13and there I understood the importance,
05:15that is, the control that Hezbollah has in the south of Lebanon,
05:18because without any kind of shame,
05:20in cities like the old Sidon, Tiro,
05:22the cities that we learned when we studied,
05:24the Phoenicians, in high school,
05:26well, there in those cities today are the posters,
05:29at that time, of Ayatollah Khomeini,
05:31of the president of Iran, I think it was Rafsanjani,
05:33and also of Hassan Nasrallah himself,
05:35who is the leader of Hezbollah.
05:37That is, as if saying,
05:38we depend more on Iran than on the Lebanese proxies.
05:43Totally, Hezbollah is a proxy today,
05:46in the daily activity,
05:49Hezbollah today is a proxy of Iran,
05:51it does not respond to the Lebanese government,
05:53in fact, it is also quite confronted with the Lebanese government.
05:56Today it is a proxy of Iran,
05:57and not only occupies, as you said,
05:59the entire southern region,
06:01and in fact, many Hezbollah members,
06:03to whom the Bipers exploded,
06:05were in that region,
06:07but also many in the Beirut area and around,
06:10in fact, the fact of having perpetrated this attack from a distance,
06:15allowed that it would not have to be fixed
06:18exactly where each person was,
06:20but that they could be together,
06:23wherever they are located.
06:25Did any leader of Hezbollah fall,
06:27or was any leader of Hezbollah located,
06:29through the Bipers?
06:31Because I know that the Iranian ambassador,
06:33that is, which shows the connection,
06:35between the Iranian ambassador in Lebanon,
06:37was injured because he had one of these Bipers in his hand,
06:40but did any other leader of Hezbollah fall?
06:43No, no leader of Hezbollah fell,
06:45it was discussed at first,
06:47but it was ruled out,
06:49almost a few minutes after knowing the news,
06:51it was discussed at some point,
06:53that Nasrallah could have had one of the Bipers,
06:56but it was ruled out,
06:58I would say that almost 15 to 20 minutes
07:00after knowing the news,
07:02it was known that two nephews of a high Hezbollah leader
07:04had Bipers,
07:06and it was investigated,
07:08with a certain rancor too,
07:10the fact of what the Iranian ambassador was doing
07:13in Lebanon with a Biper in his hand,
07:15I say, this comes,
07:17accompanies a lot the position of
07:19Juan Proxy, Hezbollah of Iran,
07:21that even the Iranian ambassador himself
07:23had a Biper on him.
07:25Are there any reprisals in Israel?
07:27Because I saw that they are doing massive evacuations
07:29from the Lebanese border.
07:31Look, the truth is that talking about reprisals,
07:33Rolo, is a bit strange,
07:36Hezbollah has been attacking Israel
07:38since October 8,
07:40a day after the war with Hamas began,
07:42Hezbollah stood by Hamas
07:44and began to attack the north of Israel,
07:46and in the course of these 11 months
07:48more than 5,000 rockets
07:50have fallen from Lebanon to Israel,
07:52I mean,
07:54to think that there is going to be,
07:56to call it a reprisal,
07:58the attack is constant,
08:00it is expected, and there is an alert,
08:02especially in the north,
08:04about the fact that the next
08:06attacks may be even bigger,
08:08on a slightly larger scale,
08:10but not a special reprisal.
08:12In fact, do you remember
08:14that at the end of July Israel
08:16eliminated the number 2 of Nasrallah
08:18and there was a specific threat
08:20from Hezbollah
08:22about what could become
08:24a massive attack,
08:26which has not happened so far,
08:28so what is happening
08:30at the geopolitical level
08:32here in Israel,
08:34in what will be the next days,
08:36are nothing more than more and more
08:38attacks from those who are no longer
08:40used to Hezbollah and Israel
08:42in recent months.
08:44Gabriel, thank you for the contact.