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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17You must have seen the headlines and the news.
00:20Today, there was a huge scene in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
00:23Mustafa-e-Kazmi, a lawyer, stood up and gave a direct threat to Chief Justice.
00:31He said, we will see.
00:33500 lawyers are standing outside, we will see how the decision will come against us.
00:38And there was a huge scene.
00:40And then ultimately, he was thrown out of the court.
00:42He was called to the police and he was thrown out.
00:44He showed himself that he is a lawyer for PTI, but Ali Zafar did not own him up.
00:50We already know Mustafa-e-Kazmi, he was in the CDA, he was in the People's Party,
00:57and now he is in the People's Party.
00:59But the issue is not with him.
01:01The issue is the situation that has become.
01:03What happened in the court today?
01:05And where are these things going?
01:07But we will talk about that later.
01:09First, Bilawul Bhutto spoke in Quetta yesterday.
01:13But today, when he sat with the journalist,
01:15he took the cat out of the bag.
01:20He said three very important things.
01:22He said that after October 25, there will be difficulties in the constitutional amendment.
01:27This is what the decision of the special sessions indicates.
01:31If the amendment is made before October 25, then there will be no difficulties like the 19th amendment.
01:36That is, they also put all the burden on the Chief Justice.
01:39And the impression that the Chief Justice is perhaps the favorite judge of the ruling party and the allies.
01:46Today, Bilawul Bhutto has completely removed all the curtains from him.
01:51And this was the stance.
01:53And Imran Khan Sahib, when he came today, he said that I will not use a controversial and stronger word like Qazi Faizi Sahib.
02:02The Chief Justice did not see this.
02:04This is a part of the Extension Mafia Gang of Three.
02:06So clearly, there is a focus.
02:08Ali Zafar Sahib also had very harsh talks with him.
02:11But as you know, Ali Zafar is a very polite man of speech.
02:15He is also a parliamentary leader in the PTI Senate.
02:18And he is also a very senior lawyer.
02:22But let me give you some ideas.
02:24And I will also share the story with you that he met Imran Khan Sahib.
02:28I will tell you his internal story.
02:30I will also share that.
02:32There were three or four big decisions in that meeting.
02:35And one of the decisions was that the PTI is still waiting.
02:40That if by tonight, the decision of today, when three or four decisions were made,
02:45Ali Zafar Sahib made four objections to this entire petition.
02:50One of his objections was that why did the bench not give notice to Shahbaz Sharif Sahib,
02:55who is the Secretary-Interior of a party in this case?
02:59Then his objection was that these two members,
03:02who made this bench, when three people were needed,
03:06then this bench is illegal.
03:08At that time, we saw that the four judges discussed among themselves,
03:13and then they said that if you make a decision on this,
03:16then we will tell you that it is not illegal.
03:19Then his objection was that the four-member bench,
03:23when it was announced that it was a five-member bench,
03:26and when a judge came out of it,
03:29then the four-member bench should have been broken.
03:32On that, the Chief Justice said that you tell me,
03:35if one judge is not coming, then what should we do?
03:38Should the Supreme Court stop?
03:39He said, but so far this is the law,
03:41and you should either amend the rules of the Supreme Court,
03:48so that in such a situation, if there is, we have a clear legal position.
03:52On that too, the bench said,
03:54the Chief Justice said that this is legal,
03:58let us make a decision on this too.
04:00We talked about the case of time bar,
04:03on that too, the Chief Justice said that this is not the case,
04:06on that too, a decision was made.
04:08Now, the information is that,
04:10the meeting with Imran Khan,
04:12the legal team of Ali Zafar,
04:14in that, two or three things have been decided.
04:17One, he praised that you have taken a big stand,
04:20you have stood up.
04:22But now, this decision,
04:24today, perhaps, a very big decision will be made on this,
04:27that tomorrow, will they argue or boycott?
04:31Because, they also said to the Chief Justice,
04:34that all these things should be transcribed,
04:37that is, today's short order should be issued on today's proceedings.
04:40Until the last information came,
04:42we were getting information from the Supreme Court,
04:44that the transcription is being made,
04:46and the order will be issued.
04:48Ali Zafar and his team are waiting,
04:51that if this decision is made,
04:53then we will argue tomorrow.
04:55And if this decision is not made,
04:57then in the morning, the court will decide,
05:00whether we boycott or not.
05:02My opinion is that, if the decision is made,
05:05especially, if the bench is legal,
05:07then the PTI's plan is,
05:09that we will immediately challenge the legality,
05:12because that challenge of legality,
05:14will go to another bench.
05:16What we have been seeing in the court for the last 2-3 days,
05:19is that the 63A decision will be made tomorrow.
05:22And even if it is not made,
05:24then in the short order,
05:26it seems that,
05:28the old order should be suspended temporarily.
05:31If it is suspended,
05:33then the government will have a ground to play,
05:36which they will have to break,
05:38join and convince,
05:40then they will be able to do it.
05:42But this whole thing,
05:442-3 things,
05:46which were very strict,
05:48I will share them with you.
05:50When he first raised objections,
05:52there were a lot of strict things,
05:54that were raised.
05:56Then he said a very interesting thing,
05:58he said,
06:00I have to consult my client,
06:02Mr. Imran Khan,
06:04I have to consult him.
06:06He said, if you wanted to consult him,
06:08you could have told us tomorrow,
06:10we would have told you tomorrow.
06:12He said, I was sure,
06:14that you would not agree to such a meeting.
06:16But he said it in a soft manner.
06:18At this time,
06:20Mustafa Kazmi stood up,
06:22and the next scene that you saw,
06:24that happened.
06:26And then he addressed,
06:28Chief Justice Ali Zafar,
06:30he said, what is happening?
06:32Do you want to come and insult us?
06:34We will not tolerate this at all.
06:36I was discussing it very calmly,
06:38and you were listening to it very calmly,
06:40the answer of Ali Zafar.
06:42Anyway, in the meantime,
06:44the Chief Justice said,
06:46remove the lawyer,
06:48but the real issue has become,
06:50these four issues,
06:52and it is also visible,
06:54because you know one decision,
06:56the decision that was made on Monday,
06:58the tribunals,
07:00the eight election tribunals,
07:02they all went to the government of their choice.
07:04The first list came,
07:06four of them were accepted by the Election Commission.
07:08The rest of the people were removed from the list,
07:10and when the other names came from the Court of Chief Justice,
07:12they said,
07:14this is our right.
07:16And the Supreme Court gave them,
07:18you make eight.
07:20So now, the objection of the PTI is that,
07:22you have put eight tribunals in the lap of the government,
07:24because they say,
07:26that the Election Commission and the government
07:28are playing on the same level.
07:30So now, after one,
07:32bad news is coming,
07:34now where will the matter go ahead,
07:36where will it stop?
07:38In the first part of the program,
07:40we will talk about the job of Mr. Taimur Jagra,
07:42who is the senior leader of the PTI,
07:44the former Finance and Health Minister, KP.
07:46Thank you very much, Taimur.
07:48Dr. Musadeq Malik is with us,
07:50he is the Federal Minister of Petroleum,
07:52and he is also a senator.
07:54Thank you very much, Musadeq.
07:56Let's start with you.
07:58Today, the Chief Justice has said,
08:00I have no objection to the full court,
08:02their party,
08:04four judges are sitting,
08:06five judges are running the bench,
08:08two people are sitting,
08:10the entire roster has been decided,
08:12everything has been done.
08:14The Chief Justice has also said,
08:16to sit in the full court and resolve it.
08:18This is such a big controversy of the Constitutional Amendments,
08:20why don't they do it?
08:22Why don't you people request,
08:24to sit in the full court.
08:26I will say it now,
08:28I will say it in your program,
08:30what is this, they have not called us,
08:32you have said,
08:34if the Chief Justice is ready,
08:36then are we the judges?
08:38Those who are ready,
08:40they want to do it,
08:42you want them to do it,
08:44Mr. Jhagra is smiling.
08:46Even in your words,
08:48the word judge comes,
08:50you have a lot of heart.
08:52This is your appreciation
08:54towards the Chief Justice.
08:56What can I do in this?
08:58Who is close to whom,
09:00what is coming in front of you,
09:02the procedures,
09:04the new procedures of the Supreme Court,
09:06on which everything was coming,
09:08there is a need for change.
09:10So what has been proven today?
09:12It has been proven,
09:14that if you make a team of three,
09:16then one or two judges will say,
09:18that this is not happening,
09:20then stop all the work of the Supreme Court.
09:22Until the three judges are not complete,
09:24the work of the Supreme Court will be stopped.
09:26So the best way is,
09:28that you make a team of three judges,
09:30and the work of the Supreme Court stops.
09:32No, but it was a good advice of Rizwan Zafar.
09:34He said,
09:36one judge is up,
09:38he is not accusing,
09:40what can we do?
09:42So he said,
09:44it is better that you make your own court rules,
09:46in a day or two,
09:48and then file a case.
09:50But today, as Mr. Bhutto said,
09:5225th October,
09:54and this is the date on which
09:56Justice Mansoor Ali Shah died.
09:58Your favourite judge is Mr. Qazi.
10:00Now your key ally is Mr. Bilawal Bhutto.
10:02So, legitimate questions arise.
10:04No, I don't have any questions.
10:06I know Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
10:08very well.
10:10And,
10:12between you and me,
10:14he was in the same university,
10:16college,
10:18and he was a great man,
10:20a very remarkable man.
10:22And you have seen,
10:24he was considered a great man,
10:26and he is still considered a great man.
10:28So, the legal arguments,
10:30or the fights between judges,
10:32in which a judge says,
10:34that judges should not
10:36look like politicians
10:38wearing a jubba,
10:40we have not said that.
10:42If you say, I will tell you,
10:44it is not appropriate,
10:46but a respected judge,
10:48sitting in a bench,
10:50addressing the rest of the bench,
10:52politicians in black coats.
11:22Everybody is...
11:52I mean,
11:54one person says that...
11:56Nishandayi is saying that
11:58with such indecent haste,
12:00you are trying to bring
12:02such serious constitutional amendments.
12:04This is a direct issue.
12:06I will not say indecent to any decision.
12:08No, I am saying your haste is indecent.
12:10I am not saying your decision.
12:12You will tell us.
12:14You have called us.
12:16Taimur is my friend.
12:18Don't ask Taimur, you are my friend.
12:20Why do we always have issues
12:22in the Supreme Court?
12:24The issue of jubba,
12:26the Supreme Court had said about us.
12:28I am returning your question.
12:30I am returning your question.
12:32I am returning your question.
12:34On the Supreme Court,
12:36the Chief Justice,
12:38I don't know which Jamaat
12:40had written,
12:42no, no, a Jamaat had not written,
12:44a reference had been sent,
12:46by the President,
12:48remove it, remove it.
12:50Remove it.
12:52That reference,
12:54in the Supreme Court,
12:56the Judicial Council,
12:58the decisions of the judges,
13:00you had written,
13:02you had issued a reference,
13:04tell the people.
13:06Doesn't that mean,
13:08doesn't that mean,
13:10that after that,
13:12Faiz Issa should not have
13:14moral authority.
13:16Doesn't that mean,
13:18he doesn't remember Saqib Nisar.
13:20No, I am also coming,
13:22one by one.
13:24No, not like this.
13:26No, not like this.
13:28No, not like this.
13:30No, not like this.
13:32If you speak louder,
13:34I will be silent.
13:36If you speak louder,
13:38I will be silent.
13:40No, not your question,
13:42let me answer your question first.
13:44We want to focus on a few things.
13:58Let him answer.
14:00Let him answer.
14:14You both are not listening to me.
14:16You both are not listening to me.
14:18I am answering your question.
14:20He wants to become an anchor.
14:22He wants to become an anchor.
14:24This is not the way to work.
14:26Let him answer.
14:28It is a very straightforward answer.
14:30The day you sat in the Supreme Court
14:32and created a mess,
14:34the day you appointed a judge
14:36to get Nawaz Sharif punished,
14:38the Supreme Court's judge,
14:40the Supreme Court's judge,
14:42No, Taimoor, let him finish.
14:44Let him finish.
14:46Let him finish.
14:48The thing is,
14:50whatever is happening in the judiciary,
14:52it means,
14:54it means,
14:56it means,
14:58it means,
15:00it means,
15:02it means,
15:04it means,
15:06it means,
15:08it means,
15:10it means,
15:28Ok, now let me come here.
15:30Ok, now let me come here.
15:40I'm not taking any names, sabko pata hai, so ek toh nazar aata hai ki judiciary certain
15:49lines pe chalti hai, mujhe ab yeh bataye yeh chhode is baat ko, 63A ka nazar aa raha hai,
15:53main main khud personally on record mein kaitha hoon, I think it was a bad decision, waqe constitutional
15:59bilkul inhone ek apni ajeeb gareeb read into kiya tha constitution mein, wo alayda hai
16:04kisko faida nukhsaan chhod de, but I think it was a bad decision in that terms, lekin
16:08ab nazar aa raha hai ki writing on the wall hai, 63A, 5-0, unless they are cleverer in
16:184-1, pehle 3-2 tha, phir 4-1 hua, nahi Ameen Udi Khan saab mujhe yaad hai ki jab yeh reserve
16:25seats ka faisla aaya tha, so unhone dissent kiya tha, issue hai nahi hai, ab yeh jab
16:31ho jaata hai, lag raha hai ki aise hoga, kya karenge aap log, mujhe toh aap logon ki politics
16:37samajh nahi aa raha hai, tactics pe aap chalte hain, strategy mein samajh nahi aa raha hai,
16:41parliament mein aap hain, toh aap legitimacy dete hain parliament ko, lekin aap parliament
16:45ke process mein nahi baith the, committees mein nahi baith the, ab yeh parliament siyasat
16:49mein toh bohot bada yeh game kar jaayenge, agar yeh inko khola haath mil zaye, game is
16:53the right word, game ho rahi hai, game aap logon ne bhi ki thi apne zamane mein, ab inka
16:58zamana chal raha hai, hawa chal rahi hai, ab inke haq mein hawa chal rahi hai, where
17:03do you go from here, aapko kuch idea hai, aap logon ne karna ki agar yeh sixty three
17:06ho gaya, two-thirds inko mil gayi, aap kahenge chale main kahto manufactured two-thirds majority
17:11mil gayi, lekin consequence toh hai, inke paas numbers nahi hai, numbers toh ho jaate
17:17hai, nahi hai, jab aapke khalaab no confidence ho raha tha, toh Imran Khan sahab bhi kahte
17:20hai, numbers nahi hai, nahi mai sabit karta, agar numbers hote, toh Presidential Ordinance
17:26ke through Practice and Procedure Act kyun badalta, to speed up the process, yaani numbers
17:33nahi hai, nahi hai, woh toh ek aapke paas agar, accha waise ek baat hai, main ek baat
17:37pe soch raha tha, kyun Sadiq sahab aaj kal lambe jawab dene ke aati hai, yeh jo Practice
17:42and Procedure Act change kiya tha, Qazi sahab se baat hui, nahi, khud se kiya tha, kyun
17:48kiya tha, kyun na kare, nahi kiya kyun tha, aapne jo machine lagayi bhi thi, ordinances
17:52ki, jo ek din mein chhattis ordinance laayi the, Qazi Faizi sahab se puchke laayi the,
17:55nahi hum, hum kyun laayi the, that is a legitimate, legit question, kyun laayi the, chhattis samal
18:00aap aur your ordinances karein toh theek hai, yeh ordinances karein toh khalaq hai, main
18:04iss ordinance ki baat karein, this is the issue of the day, iska humare saath koi taaluk nahi
18:09hai, nahi aapke chhattis ka koi taaluk nahi hai, humare ek ka taaluk hai, aapke chhattis
18:12kya tha, aapne machine lagayi bhi thi, chhapa khana tha, jiske andar aap baith ke waha pe
18:17ek ke baad, ek ke baad, ek karke la rahe the, are bhai abhi assembly aayegi na, aapse bhi
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32:28What does it mean for us?
32:30Agar Amerika isme ab khulke ustara aata hai,
32:32aur wo hota hai,
32:33toh phir hamara Amerika ke relations,
32:36hamare Iran ke jo hot and cold hamare chalte rahein,
32:39wo apni jagah hain,
32:41Pakistan ko kya aapke liye mushkaat nazara rahi hai?
32:45Ikhal-e-maalik pehle toh dekhna padega na,
32:47ki surat-e-haal kis taraf jaari hai?
32:49Because hum implications toh nahi dekh sakte Pakistan ke liye,
32:52agar humein pata hi nahi hai,
32:53ke aage kya hone wana hai.
32:55Main samajhti hu is waqt mashriq-e-musta jo hai,
32:57wo uncharted territory mein daakhil ho gaya hai.
33:00So abhi bohot mushkar hai predict karna,
33:02ki kya ho sakta hai.
33:04Abhi kuch arse pehle, kuch ghante pehle,
33:06balke Iranian Sadr,
33:08jo ke do din ke daure pe hain Qatar mein,
33:11unhone phir ye baat durai,
33:12ki Iran toh chata tha,
33:14ki wo restraint karein,
33:16aur usne kiya bhi.
33:18Lekin, Iran ke liye koi option nahi chhoda Israel ne,
33:22aur phir Amerika hi hamayat bhi,
33:24wo bhi unhone zikr kiya.
33:26Lekin, I think unhone reiterate kiya,
33:29ki Iran ke mufaad mein nahi tha,
33:31aur nahi hai,
33:33ki ye khitne mein jang phele.
33:35Toh pehle toh sawaab ye pehda hota hai,
33:37ki kya ye phel sakti hai jang.
33:39Main samajhti hu is waqt theek hai,
33:41Israel ne kaha hai,
33:42ki wo retaliate karenge.
33:44Magar wo kis kisam ki retaliation hogi,
33:46unki koshish toh ye hi hogi,
33:48ki jaise ki wo keh rahein,
33:50ki Iran ke shayad oil facilities ko wo attack karein.
33:53Nuclear mein karna bahut mushkil hai,
33:55because wo bahut zyada escalation ho jayegi.
33:57I don't think, uske bahut uncertain...
33:59Kya hum kisi balancing act mein phans sakte hain,
34:02doctor sahiba,
34:04because China, Russia,
34:06ye is camp mein hain,
34:08Amerika us camp mein hain,
34:10aur Israel has very successfully
34:12drawn America into the war,
34:14aur wo region ke andar sara.
34:16Hamara balancing act kya hoga?
34:18Hamari toh itni kamzor hukumat hai,
34:20unko na balance pata hai,
34:22unko na act pata hai,
34:24toh I don't know woh kya karenge,
34:26ekin ye zaroor hai,
34:28ki agar ye jang phelti hai,
34:30toh jaise aapne bhi zikr kiya,
34:32rightly so,
34:34ki tel ki keemat
34:36bahut upar ja sakti hai.
34:38Jiske zahir hai, impact duniya mein hoga.
34:40Main samayti hu Amerika nahi chahega ye,
34:42because election ke itne kareeb hain wo,
34:44aur American consumer ke liye,
34:46agar American consumer dekhta hai,
34:48ki tel ki keemat upar ja rahi hai,
34:50toh main samayti hu ki,
34:52jo incumbent party hai,
34:54ye nahi ki democratic party,
34:56unke liye bahut mushkilat hongi,
34:58and it will work to Trump's advantage.
35:00So I think, you know,
35:02aapko poori full spectrum dekhna chahiye,
35:04sirf ye nahi ki Pakistan pe kya asar hai,
35:06poori duniya pe asar hoga,
35:08khidde pe asar hoga,
35:10lekin issue ye hai, question ye hai,
35:12ki aaya koi effort hogi ab,
35:14to try to get a ceasefire,
35:16aaj hi kuch ghante pehle again,
35:18UN Security Council ki emergency session hui,
35:20usme saway speeches ke aur kuch nahi hua,
35:22toh lagta ye ki amli taur pe,
35:24abhi bhi koi serious effort nahi ho rahi,
35:26hala ke sab ke mufaad mein hai,
35:28ki ye jang bandi ho,
35:30kisi kisam ki,
35:32aur khas taur pe,
35:34jo Israel aur Iran ki,
35:36jo direct military confrontation hai,
35:38ye bahut zyada escalate na kare,
35:40toh I think ye questions,
35:42ye mujhe bataye,
35:44ye jo unquestioned American,
35:46my last question,
35:48agar ye unquestioned American support aa rahi hai unko,
35:50theek hai,
35:52humein pata hai ki America ka sara media unke paas hai,
35:54Zionist control hai,
35:56doosti cheezein hain,
35:58aur election year hai,
36:00intelligently choose bhi timing sari,
36:02is tamam phelaon ko badhana mein,
36:04ke wo lagta ke koi bhi presidential candidate,
36:06afford nahi karta,
36:08ke uspe ye lagay ke mai Israel ko desert kar diyon,
36:10aur sara local media aur tamam cheezein ho jayengi,
36:12toh ye itni badi reality hai,
36:14ke America ke jo bhi current administration hai,
36:16wo full hog chale jayein iske andar,
36:18aur to help with the world,
36:20France kya kahte hain,
36:22dooste kya kahte hain,
36:24samjhate kya hain,
36:26kya wo election ki timing hai,
36:28wo sara decide kar rahi hai,
36:30extreme cooperation?
36:32Main nahi samajhti ki iss waqt,
36:34America chayega,
36:36ke wo kisi full scale conflict mein,
36:38mulawas ho,
36:40maine jaise mention kar rahi hain,
36:42toh maine jaise mention kiya,
36:44ek nateeja uska direct impact padega unpe,
36:46because the oil price will go up,
36:48aur waise bhi,
36:50iss kisam ki jang ke
36:52jo outcome hai,
36:54wo uncertain hai,
36:56ki kis rukh chayega,
36:58toh iss waqt jab ke
37:00wahan par intikhawaat jaise aapne zikar kiya,
37:02itne kareeb hai,
37:04America nahi chayega,
37:06ye zaroor hai,
37:08ke America full himayat dera hai Israel ko,
37:10dikin ka directly aana,
37:12to join Israel,
37:14jo ki Israel patni kitne saanon se chaar hai,
37:16ke wo Israel ke saath milke Iran pe
37:18attack karein,
37:20main samajhti ho ki mushkil hai,
37:22aur abhi jo reports aa rahi hain,
37:24administration divided hai,
37:26kuch administration,
37:28US administration ke log kahte hain,
37:30restraint ho karein,
37:32humein iss se zyada kuch nahi karna chahiye,
37:34jitna ki unhone kiya hai,
37:36Israel ke hawaade se,
37:38American intizamiya ke andar ho,
37:40yeh hai, yeh mauka hai humare liye,
37:42unke liye, ke wo join karein,
37:44Israel ko, aur
37:46attack karein,
37:48Iran ko,
37:50but I doubt very much,
37:52they will go that far.
37:54Dr. Malia, thank you very much for your time.
37:56Dr. Adil, let's continue the same discussion,
37:58mujhe batayein, agar Israel,
38:00iss waqt retaliatory strike karta hai,
38:02aur wo issi niyat se karta hai,
38:04ki dekhin American toh fase mein hai,
38:06toh America kistana apne aapko
38:08iss jung se bacha paayega?
38:12Dekhin, I agree,
38:14ki America ka interest nahi hai,
38:16ki jung mein directly mukla ho,
38:18us pachare ko apne bade masle padhe mein,
38:20lekin,
38:22aur Israel ka interest yeh hai,
38:24ki wo jitna zyada America ko
38:26involve kar seke, utna karein,
38:28so US certainly resist karne ki
38:30koshish karega, Israel se zyada
38:32depend karta hai, ki Iran kya karta hai,
38:34so whether for example,
38:36Iran ki taraf se koi aisa attack hota hai,
38:38jo kisi American installation pe hota hai,
38:40ki usme koi messaging milti hai,
38:42toh then the US may be
38:44forced to,
38:46lekin iss waqt mera khal mein
38:48jo equation hai na,
38:50aur yeh humare liye samajhni bade mushkil hai,
38:52mera liye bhi samajhni bade mushkil hai,
38:54ki aap usually yeh sochhtein,
38:56ki America ka influence hai Israel pe,
38:58lekin reality yeh batati hai,
39:00pichle kayi mahino ki,
39:02ke asal mein Israel ka influence
39:04hai America pe,
39:06in a sense, America is bound,
39:08jab Netanyahu saab
39:10Congress aate hain, aur Congress me
39:12takreer karte hain, jis kism ki unko
39:14reception milti hai, uska messaging
39:16US President ko yeh hai,
39:18ki yaar main tum se zyada yaha
39:20mera influence hai,
39:22so I really think
39:24ke Netanyahu jo hain,
39:26wo baaki duniya ko sirf thinga nahi dikha rahe,
39:28wo United Nations ko thinga nahi dikha rahe,
39:30wo American Sadr ko bhi thinga dikha rahe,
39:32and that,
39:34jo hamara
39:36conception of world power hai,
39:38wo breakdown ho chuke hai,
39:40ek jumla ki agar guzarshi kar du,
39:42wo yeh ke,
39:44jo aapne pehle bhi baat ki,
39:46doctor sahab se jo kar rahe the,
39:48about ceasefire,
39:50there is one party, jiska koi
39:52interest nahi hai ceasefire mein,
39:54and that party is
39:56Netanyahu and Israel,
39:58but
40:00unki har reaction
40:02mujhe ek cheez bataye,
40:04doctor sahab main
40:06teen chaar inke top security
40:08analyst hai, unki main baatein sun raha tha,
40:10kal bhi, aaj bhi American ki,
40:12unke podcast bhi the,
40:14unke interviews bhi the,
40:16do teen cheezin bhi interesting hai,
40:18unke kaha ki America ko Iran pe kyu hamla karega,
40:20kahin to hold wali kuch cheez nahi hai,
40:22to take and hold,
40:24aur Israel ko,
40:26defence secretary the, unke kaha ki,
40:28nazar cheez yeh aa rahi hai,
40:30essentially ham to range capabilities,
40:32of Israel ki,
40:34striking power, intelligence, reconnaissance,
40:36yeh ham badhana mein uski madad karenge,
40:38aur jo Israel kehega,
40:40chalega, America itna bechara to nahi hai na,
40:42aap asla de rahe hain,
40:44jo wo maangte hain, de rahe hain,
40:46sab kuch unko de rahe hain,
40:48aapne sar pe ulad hai,
40:50to phir yeh aap kyu sochte hain,
40:52ki America jang mein nahi aayega,
40:54yeh America jo hai,
40:56uske hatyaar hain,
40:58uski na sirf tacit,
41:00balke uski explicit,
41:02razzamandi ke saath hai,
41:04lekin usko badhana mein uska koi interest nahi hai,
41:06now I am not saying,
41:08ki,
41:10America ko,
41:12jaise aapne bhi kaha,
41:14log keh rahe hain,
41:16America ko Iran se kya chahiye,
41:18kuch nahi chahiye,
41:20ek aur mujhe,
41:22usme labnaan ka zikr hi nahi aara,
41:24kal jo hai,
41:26do badhi khabre hui hain,
41:28doosri badhi khabar yeh hui hai,
41:30ek mulk,
41:32uska naam Israel hai,
41:34usne ek doosre mulk,
41:36United Nations ka member,
41:38uska naam labnaan hai,
41:40usme apni faujiye bhej di,
41:42yeh bilkul waise hi hai na,
41:44jaise Russia chala gaya, Ukraine,
41:46yeh ghaza wala masalah to nahi hai,
41:48and yet,
41:50so my point is ki,
41:52at this point,
41:54yeh nahi hai ki America jo hai,
41:56wo bichara hai, yeh alachar hai,
41:58lekin the game is being driven by Israel,
42:00rather than the US.
42:02Lekin yeh mujhe bataein,
42:04ab agar Iran pe hamla hota hai,
42:06jaise main shuru mein kaha,
42:08state of rumors hai,
42:10wo usme blockades honge,
42:12Japan ho gaya, China ho gaya, Korea ho gaya,
42:14lot of European countries ki cheezein,
42:16khaas thorpe energy,
42:18uski supply disrupt hogi,
42:20to iski global implications hai,
42:22to kya America afford karta hai,
42:24ke region mein aa jaye,
42:26to na chahate we bhi,
42:28baaki jo Muslim umalik hain,
42:30usko bhi inki mukhalfat karni pade,
42:32yeh jo trade partners hain,
42:34yeh bhi mukhalaf karein,
42:36America kis region mein 26 bases hain,
42:38kya wo sab kuch,
42:40Israel ki upar dao pe laga dega,
42:42back off nahi karega?
42:44You are exactly right,
42:46hum do bilkul exactly
42:48ek hi point karein,
42:50ki America ko isme mein milne wala kuch nahi hain,
42:52sirf nuksani hain,
42:54and the only reason it will enter is,
42:56ke Israel jo hai,
42:58kisi tarah aisa corner kar deta hai,
43:00uske paas koi chaara nahi raha hai,
43:02dekhan kal bhi,
43:04Israel ne shay de de de ke,
43:06provocate kar kar ke,
43:08Iran ko ek aise marhale pe le aaya,
43:10ke jahan na chahate we bhi,
43:12it had no option but to do what it did,
43:14so you are exactly right,
43:16is waqt America ke liye
43:18incentive nahi hain,
43:20ki wo jang mein pade,
43:22jiska yeh matlab nahi hain,
43:24ki wo bada dost hain,
43:26jiska sirf yeh matlab hain,
43:28ki unke paas doosre masayil bhi hain,
43:30toh basically aap yeh karein,
43:32sari duniya aap saans roh ke intazaar karein,
43:34ki ab Israel kya karta hai,
43:36aur uske baad yeh agle events unfold honge,
43:38yaar pichle saal se yeh hi kar rahi hain na duniya,
43:40doctor sahab bahot shukriya,
43:42nazi main sirf is baad pe khatam karunga,
43:44ek baad pe ki,
43:46ek bachi thi 6 saal ki Hind Rajab,
43:48yeh aapko bata dega,
43:50Nathaniel aur uski force ki mentality kya hai,
43:526 saal ki bachi thi,
43:54inki gaadi pe firing hui,
43:56poori family thi,
43:58aur sare uske khandaan walein maare gaye,
44:00yeh aur iska 15 saal ke cousin tha,
44:02yeh zakhmi the,
44:04wahan se inhone phone kiya,
44:06aur apne kisi azeeza ko,
44:08aur wo phir conversation 3 ghinte chali,
44:10mean time ek baad phir machine gun chali,
44:12aur wo cousin bhi mar gaya 15 saal ka,
44:14ab 6 saal ki bachi 3 ghinte,
44:16apne khandaan se baad kar rahi hain,
44:18apni khala aur koi aisi unki khatoon thi,
44:20aur wo kahi rahi hain ke 3 tanks aa rahi hain,
44:22mujhe dard lag raha hai sab kuch,
44:242 rescue workers bhi wahan pohnche,
44:26aur ambulance le ke,
44:28aur jab wo wahan pohnche aur utre,
44:30unpe bhi goliyan chala di gayi,
44:32aur wo bhi maare gaye,
44:34shaheed ho gaye wo,
44:36ab is baad ko 3 ghinte guzar gaye,
44:38pura tanks aa gaye,
44:40sab kuch aa gaya,
44:42aur phir jo doose end pe khatoon thi,
44:44wo is bachi ko Quran ki aayatein,
44:46kuch padhwana shuru kar di,
44:48iska khauf kaam ho,
44:50aur jaise wo padh rahi thi,
44:52aur phir goliyan chali aur khatam,
44:54this is the Nathan Yau and Israel we are dealing with,
44:56Allah sab pe rahim kare,
44:58ijazat dijiye, Allah Hafiz.