ボクらの時代 2024年10月06日 藤ヶ谷太輔×奈緒×辻村深月

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ボクらの時代 2024年10月06日 藤ヶ谷太輔×奈緒×辻村深月
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00:00Episode 2
00:02Today's Bokura no Jidai is brought to you by these three people.
00:06I'm so happy that you're doing a book.
00:09Really?
00:10Wow!
00:11So you're going to see the stars this summer?
00:13I didn't think I'd get to see the ice whale.
00:16I'm so happy.
00:17I've always loved this show.
00:20So when I heard you were doing a movie,
00:23I talked to Nao-chan and said,
00:25I really want to be in Bokura no Jidai.
00:27I thought it would come true.
00:29But I've seen more than two people in Bokura no Jidai.
00:33I didn't think I'd be in it.
00:35I'm a novelist, so I didn't think I'd be in it.
00:39So I was thinking,
00:41is it okay for me to be in the first episode?
00:44I'm so glad.
00:46That's why I made this movie.
00:49Thank you so much.
00:51The mother of the fiance suddenly disappeared.
00:54Taisuke Fujigaya and Nao-san are starring in the movie,
00:58Goman to Zenryo.
01:04It's a love mystery about the real relationship
01:07and values of a man and a woman in a dating app.
01:11Fujigaya-san plays the unyielding Kakeru,
01:14who can't get married.
01:16Nao-san plays Mami,
01:18the fiancee of Kakeru who solves the mystery.
01:22The original novel is a best-seller by Naoki Tsujimura.
01:28Fujigaya-san and Nao-san have been fans of Tsujimura's work for a long time.
01:34When I came to the set of the movie,
01:38I waved my hand from a little far away,
01:41and they were like,
01:43It's been a long time since I've waved my hand like that.
01:48We were so excited at that time.
01:51We met in the morning, and we were like,
01:54Tsujimura-san is coming after lunch.
01:56What should I do?
01:57Tsujimura-san is coming.
01:59What if they say it's too different from my original work?
02:04What if I write it right away?
02:07He's not such a scary person.
02:09That's what I'm talking about.
02:10We respected him too much.
02:14But when he read this novel,
02:18I heard that he sympathized with it
02:22because he hadn't seen anyone so popular
02:27when it was just published.
02:30It was introduced on TV.
02:33But sometimes I'm told that there are white Tsujimura and black Tsujimura.
02:41I think romance is more like black.
02:44I was like, I have a white Tsujimura.
02:47Is Fujikawa-san okay?
02:49Even among the black Tsujimura,
02:51he said it was a blessing.
02:53He said it was good.
02:56I was like, is he okay?
02:58I wasn't aware of that at all.
03:00It's true that it's a little risky to move forward.
03:07But it doesn't matter at all.
03:09If you read too much of my books,
03:12your personality will get worse.
03:18I'm a little worried about that.
03:20So if you read my books with the new editors,
03:27your personality may get worse.
03:30So please be careful.
03:32Especially to the young editors.
03:35I'm saying something to them.
03:39Yes
03:41I say no
03:43You say stop
03:45I say go, go, go
03:52Oh no
03:55You say goodbye
03:58I say hello
04:01Hello, hello
04:03I don't know why you say goodbye
04:06I say hello
04:08Tsujimura-san was the reason I started reading novels.
04:14When was that?
04:15When I was about 16 or 17.
04:17So when you were in high school.
04:19I read a 10-minute book in the morning.
04:21There's an ice whale over there.
04:24I read it all in the morning.
04:27I cried a lot.
04:29I'm happy.
04:31When I met Tsujimura-san's work,
04:33I wanted to read books.
04:36I'm happy.
04:37How did Tsujimura-san become a writer in the first place?
04:44I've never heard of it.
04:46I first started writing when I was in the 3rd grade of elementary school.
04:51There was a time when writing novels became popular in my class.
04:56Everyone was writing romance novels.
05:01I wrote a horror novel.
05:03No one read it because it was scary.
05:06That's a high-quality novel.
05:08I don't think it was scary or creepy.
05:11Everyone was writing romance novels.
05:14I was the only one who was afraid of the difference between the amount of evil and the amount of good.
05:18You were in elementary school.
05:20Even now.
05:22Nao-san also read it.
05:24The story of the ice whale was written when I was in high school.
05:30I was able to meet Tsujimura-san when I was in high school through the ice whale.
05:37I'm glad to hear that.
05:39There are a lot of things I want to ask.
05:41When you create a story, do you start with a rough idea?
05:46Or do you start with a rough idea after you've created the world?
05:51In my case, I write without deciding.
05:54Without deciding?
05:56I don't think I've come up with a plan.
05:58It's more like I've noticed what I was doing from the beginning.
06:03That's how I know what I'm going to do.
06:11That's how I make everything.
06:13I start writing a novel without knowing if that moment will come.
06:19That's why it's so scary.
06:21I'm not sure if it's going to end.
06:24I'm sure it's going to end.
06:28I'm sure it's going to end.
06:35That's amazing.
06:36When did you want to be an actress?
06:41I wanted to work as soon as possible.
06:44My mother has been working for me for a long time.
06:51When I was a kid, I wanted to be like my mother.
06:55I wanted to work as soon as possible so that I could spend more time with my mother.
07:01That's what I thought when I was a kid.
07:05I happened to be scouted.
07:08I thought I could work as soon as possible.
07:10That's how I got into this world.
07:14I was very shocked when I tried acting.
07:19When I was told that I was going to play a big voice that I wouldn't be able to do,
07:26I was very shocked that I got a big voice.
07:31It's still going on.
07:35I've never met anything that I don't know about myself.
07:40I still think that if I find out, this job will be over.
07:50I feel like I'm being reset every time.
07:53That's right.
07:55How did I remember the lines when I joined a new work?
08:00That's amazing.
08:02That's what happens every time.
08:05When I finished the work, I was able to act like this.
08:10I didn't know how to act.
08:12But when I joined a new work, I was able to act like this.
08:15It's the same with novels.
08:18If you think you've mastered this work, you'll probably fail.
08:26That's right.
08:28When Nao was acting, she was able to start something new.
08:32She was able to go beyond her expectations.
08:38When I was acting, I was able to make a big voice.
08:41I felt like I was able to meet someone I didn't know.
08:46Nao, you're trying to be friends with Mami this time.
08:52I often feel that way.
08:55Maybe that's why you're here.
08:58That's right.
09:00Rather than becoming that person, I feel like I'm the closest to her.
09:05I feel like I'm with her even during this time.
09:10Even after it's over, I wonder if she's happy.
09:13I think about the role.
09:15Even after a year, I think about it and cry.
09:22Mr. Fujigaya became a close friend of Kakeru.
09:25I like Kakeru.
09:28I like Mr. Fujigaya's story, and I like Kakeru's story.
09:36There are a lot of bad things about that story.
09:39That's the worst.
09:42Kakeru is doing things without a bad intention.
09:46He has a sense of running away.
09:49When I found out that Mr. Fujigaya was going to play Kakeru, I was very happy.
09:57I don't know much about love.
10:03I don't know much about love.
10:06I don't know much about love.
10:13I see.
10:15I don't think I'm suitable for being an idol.
10:19Now?
10:22I'm grateful to have met the members and the fans.
10:29I'm grateful to have met the members and the fans.
10:32I don't think I'm suitable for being an idol.
10:40I made my debut when I was 24.
10:43When I was in my 30s, I wanted to work on a work like Miura's society.
10:53If I had said that I was going to make my debut, I don't know what would have happened.
11:01In the world of theater, there are a lot of words from the characters.
11:09In the world of theater, there are a lot of words from the characters.
11:15The words are beautiful.
11:19In my early 20s, gyaru was popular.
11:25In my early 20s, gyaru was popular.
11:31I was embarrassed and couldn't watch it.
11:38I was embarrassed and couldn't watch it.
11:46I was embarrassed and couldn't watch it.
11:53When I was a student, I wanted to be a gyaru.
11:59When I was a student, I wanted to be a gyaru.
12:06When I meet gyaru in a variety show, I get excited.
12:11When I meet gyaru in a variety show, I get excited.
12:18I'm glad you said the words are beautiful.
12:24But I can only express that I'm in trouble and I'm dying.
12:30But I can only express that I'm in trouble and I'm dying.
12:38I think this is great.
12:41I also have a small voice in my heart,
12:44saying,
12:45I'm going to die.
12:46I'm in danger.
12:47I'm watching a little bit of VTR.
12:51However, I think it is better to replace the word dangerous
12:57with a different word,
13:00and distinguish it.
13:03I've been thinking about it lately.
13:06I think it's up to me to decide if I'm suitable or not.
13:09When I went to shoot a variety show,
13:12I suddenly realized it.
13:17If I met Fujigaya-san in the tea party era,
13:20I might have woken him up and couldn't talk.
13:23I'm often told that.
13:25I met him a long time ago.
13:29That's when I made my debut.
13:33We've been doing it under SMAP.
13:37At that time, Kisumai didn't have the aura of a star.
13:47Every time SMAP members came in,
13:50I greeted them in the dressing room.
13:52Each one of them had a great aura.
13:55When they all came in, it was amazing.
13:58We didn't talk to each other,
14:02but each of them had their own aura.
14:06At that time, I was wearing sunglasses.
14:13The other members were hiding their faces with hats.
14:17We didn't have a meeting.
14:19It's been a year since we made our debut,
14:22but we were wearing sunglasses on TV.
14:25Then I was called to the office.
14:28I was told that I was too bad-tempered.
14:30I was famous in the industry.
14:32I was told I wouldn't get a job.
14:35There were a lot of dismissals from my seniors in the office.
14:40I thought it wasn't natural.
14:42But it was the same for our group.
14:49I'd like to ask you about arrogance and goodwill.
14:53You two met on a dating app.
14:57When I wrote it,
14:59I didn't know much about dating apps until now.
15:06It's been 19 years.
15:08How do you two feel about dating apps?
15:14I've never done it,
15:18but it's becoming a standard now.
15:22Some people are actually married.
15:25Your friends are dating apps.
15:27My best friend is dating an app.
15:29I got married to someone who was dating an app.
15:32I was so happy.
15:34It's becoming a standard now.
15:37I don't know if I can start it now.
15:40It's a job I can't start easily.
15:44But I have the courage to start it.
15:47For example, if I had a life without this job,
15:54I would have wanted to start it.
15:57Really?
15:58I think so.
16:00I can't say it well,
16:02but when I was asked if I wanted to get married,
16:07I really didn't know if I wanted it or not.
16:12Now I have a lot of options.
16:15I felt like I was running away from something.
16:21Now I have a lot of options,
16:23but I don't know what to choose.
16:26I'm facing a lot of things now.
16:29I wanted to be a kindergarten teacher.
16:33Of course, I like children.
16:36But I want to get married someday.
16:40I've been doing it since I was in my 20s.
16:43I don't know when.
16:47A while ago, my brother got married.
16:52When I asked him how many parents he had,
16:57he didn't seem to be in a hurry.
17:01I don't know what to do.
17:03When will it be?
17:06When I hang out with the family of my senior who is getting married,
17:12I really want to know this happiness.
17:17I want to make this happiness, too.
17:22I've been hearing that a lot lately.
17:26Is there anything that has changed since you got married?
17:31Has your work stance changed?
17:35You got married and had children.
17:38Yes.
17:39When I got married and had children,
17:44I was told that my work stance had become kinder.
17:50I was told that this wonderful story was influenced by children.
17:56I didn't like it at all.
18:00It hasn't changed.
18:02Of course, the environment has changed.
18:05When I was in my 20s, my work stance didn't change much.
18:10I thought it would be nice if people could understand the novel I was writing.
18:19Recently, I thought it would be better to use simple words.
18:23I thought I had become stronger.
18:27Now I think it's okay for readers to decide what kind of writer I am.
18:35I think I've become very strong in that part.
18:42I'd like to ask you if there's something like that between you and Mr. Matsujimura.
18:51There's always a part of me that people can see and a part of me that I have.
19:02I was wondering how I could get along with Mr. Matsujimura.
19:08I was in a drama called It's Your Turn.
19:17I played the role of Ono-chan.
19:21I got to know a lot of people there.
19:24I started to appear in a variety show.
19:26I was afraid that I would become someone I didn't know.
19:34When I played the role of Anaban,
19:37it may be related to the story that I don't know how to play every time.
19:44I was with Mr. Namase when I played the role of Anaban.
19:49At the end of the show, Mr. Namase said,
19:52Nao-chan, you got 120 points this time.
19:57So you have to get back to zero next time.
20:01That's what he said to me.
20:04I thought that was fine.
20:07I was very happy.
20:09I'm still grateful for that.
20:12Mr. Ichigaya, you are an idol.
20:15Did you have any trouble with that?
20:19I made my debut at the age of 24.
20:22In our agency, 24 is a late age.
20:27To make people remember me,
20:30I wanted to go the way I wanted to go.
20:33I wanted to be cool.
20:35The thing I hated the most was
20:37when I said the name and face of the members,
20:40I didn't want people to think there was another me.
20:43I wanted people to remember me.
20:46In the middle of the show,
20:48there was a unit called Busaiku,
20:50which was produced by Mr. Nakai.
20:53Mr. Nakai said,
20:55Busaiku has to be a junior member of the public.
20:59There were seven of us at that time,
21:01so the three of us had to be cool.
21:03Busaiku, four people, and cool three people.
21:05The more we were apart, the bigger the group became.
21:09For example, in a variety show,
21:11when the four of us were wearing dark clothes,
21:15the four of us stood up and said,
21:17Please don't say that.
21:19At that time, I said,
21:22We're not that bad.
21:25But if we do that,
21:27we'll kill the four of us.
21:29At that moment,
21:31I said,
21:33I'm a handsome man.
21:35We're going to kill each other.
21:38It was pretty hard.
21:40When I saw it on TV or on the monitor,
21:44I thought it was a bad way to show it.
21:49But I had no choice but to do it.
21:52You were very professional.
21:55That's amazing.
21:57I talked about it during the shoot.
22:00When I was eating tonkatsu.
22:02I love tonkatsu.
22:04I love tonkatsu.
22:06I was surprised when I heard the stage greeting.
22:11I didn't know you ate so much.
22:13I don't usually eat,
22:15but I rarely go to Saga.
22:17I ate a lot.
22:18The night in Saga was limited.
22:20Nao, you went to Saga and ate a lot.
22:22I packed my schedule as much as I could.
22:24While I was eating,
22:26Fujigaya talked about the group.
22:31I was thinking about a lot of things.
22:34I'm in a group now.
22:36The place to reach in a group.
22:39I really want to see the scenery that can be seen in a group.
22:48I was told with a very sparkling face.
22:53Is that when you get older,
22:57Do you still have the feelings you had from the beginning?
23:01Which part has changed?
23:05It may have changed.
23:07When I was in my 20s,
23:10For example, when I was doing a play,
23:13When I was in a variety show,
23:15I was wondering if the actors of the same generation were playing at this time.
23:21Then I went there more and more.
23:26Did you have that kind of impatience?
23:28Yes, I had impatience.
23:30Did you?
23:31Yes, I did.
23:32There was a lot of disbandment among the seniors in the agency.
23:37Also, when I was in the company, the member formation changed.
23:41At that time, I thought it wasn't natural.
23:45But it's the same for our group.
23:49That's why I want to be in a group for a long time.
23:54If I want to go fast, I want to go alone.
23:57If I want to go far, I want to go with everyone.
23:59That's a good word.
24:01I think there were a lot of such changes.
24:04I thought it was like an overeating tour today.
24:09When I was eating, I thought I was talking about something really good.
24:13It's like an overeating tour.
24:17Let's have a wonderful day today.
24:21Please subscribe to our channel and give us a high rating.
24:23Are you on good terms with her?
24:24I love her.
24:25I love her, too.
24:26I feel like we're on the same side.
24:29She's like a troublesome wife.

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