How're we all feeling after Drake Maye's debut? Is he everything that we had hoped for? And can he build off of his successes (and failures) from his first start as the Patriots head to London to take on the Jaguars? Alec and Rich cover it all.
00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Patriots defensive struggles
04:10 - Jerod Mayo's transparency
06:42 - Drake May's performance
09:50 - Future of receivers
12:30 - Offensive line improvements
14:53 - Quarterback performance
16:57 - Rookie quarterback comparisons
24:11 - Affordable Cooper deal
26:04 - Patriots vs Jaguars preview
29:31 - Offensive progress signs
32:34 - Jaguars' weak defense
36:45 - Jaguars' offense analysis
39:41 - Key defensive players
48:14 - Draft implications
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00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Patriots defensive struggles
04:10 - Jerod Mayo's transparency
06:42 - Drake May's performance
09:50 - Future of receivers
12:30 - Offensive line improvements
14:53 - Quarterback performance
16:57 - Rookie quarterback comparisons
24:11 - Affordable Cooper deal
26:04 - Patriots vs Jaguars preview
29:31 - Offensive progress signs
32:34 - Jaguars' weak defense
36:45 - Jaguars' offense analysis
39:41 - Key defensive players
48:14 - Draft implications
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00:00All right, hello everybody and welcome to Patriots First and Goal. I am Alex Shane
00:04breaking down the Drake May NFL football debut against the Houston Texans in All Things Week
00:107 in the Patriots matchup in London against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Only the finest in the NFL
00:16goes over to London this week, obviously. Two of the best teams in the NFL getting ready to square
00:20off for all the Londoners. Rich Hill, I'm trying to think of the last time I felt this good about
00:27a Patriots blowout loss and I honestly can't think of anything, obviously a lot to work on,
00:33but you have to be happy with what you saw overall on Sunday against the Texans.
00:38Totally. I mean, I think the last time after any loss that I felt this good was back in 2014 when
00:43I lost to the Packers on the road in Green Bay. I was in the midst of a big winning streak for them.
00:50They lost down to the wire, showed some good fight against a good Packers team,
00:55and that was the first time where I was like, oh, this team, you know, post on to Cincinnati,
01:00this is a team that can compete against anyone. And I obviously didn't get that same exact sense
01:06here with the Patriots because they got smoked by the Texans. But Alec, is Drake May the best
01:15quarterback in Patriots history? Obviously. I mean, it goes without saying. I mean,
01:19I haven't seen a throw like that one to Boutte since like Drew Bledsoe. No one can throw like
01:23that. Hey, let's get into Rich. First and goal, Texans breakdown. Obviously 41 to 21 isn't exactly
01:30any kind of a good score from a defensive standpoint, but turnovers were a problem.
01:35There were a couple of drives to start inside like the 30. I don't think the score really
01:39reflects it. I do think this defense, maybe we'll talk to the defense a little bit and then really
01:43focus more on Drake May, but there is a problem. Why the hell, Rich Hill, can't this team stop the
01:50run to save their life? It seems to me the talent on the field should be able to stop their run,
01:56but they're giving up 150 yards a game. And it's not like putting Christian Barmore and
02:02Jarrell Peppers and Juwan Bentley back there. They're magically going to give up less yards.
02:06So what's going on with the running game? That's a huge problem.
02:09Yeah. I mean, one is like, I do think that they would help, right? That's one area where Barmore
02:14is a top defensive tackle in the league and Ekoale fine player is not Barmore. And when you
02:22have that weakness in the middle of your entire defensive line, and then you add in the fact that
02:28you are missing your top linebacker, there goes your entire defensive interior. And as a result,
02:34you get a lot of running production happening against you. And that's one. The other one in
02:41Mayo talks about this all the time is just a lot of breakdowns and fundamentals and mental approach
02:46where they are just missing tackles. They are not completing their plays. They're not playing
02:51to the whistle to bring the players down. They, you know, how often do we see the initial contact
02:57where then the other team all of a sudden breaks free and goes to that second level. And that just
03:02happens too much for it to be okay. And it's something that they have to address over time.
03:07But that is something that feels like a continuation of what we saw on those last
03:10couple of Belichick years where there's just complete breakdowns in the basic parts of the game.
03:16Yeah, I mean, you got to wonder, I mean, I guess I'll kind of bundle this question with another
03:21one I asked you. If it's fundamental breakdown, you're still seeing mental error, you're still
03:26seeing some stupid penalties that are extending plays and whatnot. If you want to couple that
03:31with maybe I'm a little sensitive to it after 20 years of the button lipped Bill Belichick.
03:38But given how transparent Gerard Mayo is with the media, given how transparent and free
03:43players seem to be with expressing their opinions, what their things are on and off the field.
03:49Do you think maybe Gerard Mayo is going a little too much in the I am not Bill Belichick direction
03:54and it might behoove not only him, but the team to that button up attitude you talked about,
03:59to maybe rein in a little bit and keep things a little more in-house. I can't feel,
04:02I have to feel like they're not really doing themselves any favors being so transparent
04:06with everything and maybe it's translating onto the field.
04:10Yeah, I mean, there's certain areas where you want your players to be their authentic selves,
04:15right? Like if they are, they care about a cause, you want them to be able to talk about it.
04:20There's also a situation where you have Gerard Mayo putting his foot in his mouth multiple times
04:26this offseason about we're going to spend all of this money and then everyone else has to be like,
04:30no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. And then at the end of the preseason,
04:34Drake Mays clearly outplayed Jacoby Brissett. And then you go through the first, however many
04:38games of the season and everyone's like, well, obviously why are we playing Jacoby?
04:42And then you have other little sound bites of Mayo being like, yeah, you know, Brissett's out
04:47there doing what we're asking you to do. He's taking some hits. And so it's like, oh, okay,
04:50he is out there just until the offensive line solidifies. And even this week where he came out
04:56in his press conference on Wednesday and talked about how there's going to be changes in the line
05:01because there's been mental errors and that just can't happen. And so they're going to make
05:05changes. And those are the sorts of things that you kind of want to keep in house, right? Like
05:12it's a situation where you don't want to have the discourse out in public. You want to be able to
05:17have it inside behind closed walls so you can show that unified front, because how would you feel if
05:24you were that player? If you were Jacoby during the preseason, if you were the players that are
05:28going to get benched this week to have your coach airing out that laundry in front of everybody,
05:34that's not good for team morale. This is not a situation where that transparency serves to
05:40show that we're a modern team or something like that. That really just speaks to, hey,
05:47we need to have more of a filter because you're sharing this with people who aren't necessarily
05:51your friends, right? This shouldn't just be an open conversation. It's a little too casual
05:56when there's actual impacts on these people's careers that is going to take place when you're
06:01being a little too open. Yeah, I mean, I really do think, how can that not translate on the field?
06:06Again, I understand that Gerard Mayo is coming in the shadow of Bill Belichick and Bill Belichick is
06:11probably the most infamous coach of all time in terms of press conferences. He never said anything
06:16to anybody. And Gerard Mayo wants to maybe dissert himself as a new approach, kind of a new leaf
06:22being turned over in New England. But I can't help but feel like they'd all do well to rein
06:28in a little bit. You don't have to totally go Bill Belichick on it. You want to rein in a little bit.
06:31I can't help but feel like that will trickle down onto the on-field approach and maybe allow them
06:37to solidify the team a little more and play a little bit more teeth on defense. The good news,
06:41though, Rich, I felt like the defense cost the Patriots the game in this respect. It was all D
06:47and then the offense couldn't pull their weight. We saw more touchdown passes in this game than
06:53Bursette's entire tenure with the Patriots in 2024. So I think there's a lot of positives to
06:58take away. I don't want to spend too much of our first down talking about the negatives of the
07:01defense because the real focus is Drake May. I think he did great. I think my favorite element
07:07of that game are the two things I want to really touch on. One, it was very obvious to me, at least,
07:13that the first snap and the last snap, he got better throughout the game. You could actually
07:18see him getting better in real time, which is pretty cool. The second one, I love that all
07:24the mistakes he made were bad throws and not bad reads. His first interception, he had Douglas on
07:31a crosser wide open. He's overthrew it a little too anxious. That's fine. He had a couple go into
07:35the dirt, a couple go over the head. There was that ridiculous tipped screen interception.
07:39That's just amazing. It was a blind side strip sack. That wasn't his fault either.
07:44I didn't count. If there was a play where he's like made a bad read, I don't remember what it
07:48was. And I will take physical errors over mental errors every single time, especially given the
07:53Mack Jones era where he was just making these throws. And we were both like, where the hell
07:58was he going with that? Every single mistake Drake May made, I saw what he was trying to do.
08:03And the fact that he's a better quarterback now than he was this time last week, gives me a lot
08:07of hope for games going forward. Totally. I mean, the drives that he put together, obviously it's
08:13going to become more consistent, but you could see so many positives happening. First off my last
08:20thought on the defense, there was 24 points that came from drives that the Texans started over the
08:27midfield on their last three short fields. They got what, like 17 points on just 40 yards total,
08:35something like that, where they, they, they were just set up to score points. I that's last thought
08:41on Mayo thing. Mayo probably shouldn't have thrown the defense under the bus. Obviously have a little
08:45bit of pride in some circumstances. Uh, those big plays shouldn't be allowed, but game wasn't on
08:50them. Nope. On the offensive side, you got career days from DeMario Douglas, Keishon booty. You had
09:00some of, I think it was the lowest pressure rate this entire year for the Patriots against a very
09:07good Texans pass rush. This is a great overall progress. And the only variable that changed
09:15was Drake may under center from my goal. I would love to see Jalen Polk become super involved.
09:22Although he feels like he is being limited intentionally by the coaching staff and what
09:26he's allowed to do out there. I would love for Baker to flourish. I'd love for born to, you know,
09:32shake off the rest and get more involved. But if over the second half of the year, we can walk away
09:38saying may is the guy Douglas is the guy. And we have a good other receiver and booty. This has
09:47been a massive success of a year. Absolutely. I mean, if this game was also played without
09:51remind Ray Stevenson, who's been their best offensive weapon up to date, nursing an injury.
09:56So he'll be back pretty soon. I thought Antonio Gibson filled in really well. Hunter Henry got
10:00involved in the offense and newly signed center, literally off the street, making his first start.
10:07Ben Brown, pretty impressed with him, honestly, given how little time he had to prepare and become
10:12kind of the captain of a line. Things are only going to get better. I really believe that.
10:17And I think the Jaguars games coming in an absolutely perfect time. These are two pretty
10:21terrible teams. And these London games are such a crapshoot that I can't imagine there'll be any
10:27kind of regression for Drake may going forward. But again, overall, I'm pleased with it. The only
10:33thing I'll say that I really didn't like about the game was that I felt that the game was out
10:38of hand. And Drake may had like one more drive with like a minute and a half left. I thought
10:43they kind of just ran the clock out unnecessarily. Like why not let him try and score one.
10:48Forty one, twenty eight. It's not going to matter. He throws a pick. Who cares?
10:51That was a great chance to practice like some two minute offense that they really missed
10:54an opportunity there. Yeah. I mean, we were talking about this before the season is like,
10:59should they just treat the first half of the year when they have this just absolute brutal
11:03stretch to start the year? Should they just treat this as an extended preseason?
11:08Like they very realistically and probably valuably could have used that time,
11:13get those live snaps in. I understand also that they had more injuries on the offensive line.
11:20They can't afford to lose anyone else that maybe that's not the right time. Maybe maybe
11:27you don't want to try to really go for it and have it feel like a sign of disrespect and have
11:34the Texans go all out and hurt the quarterback. So it's one where I also I wish they could have
11:40gotten more value out of that last little bit. But I also get why I get why they pulled the plug.
11:45No, I do, too. But one thing I'd like to see, like they had a chance to score. It's like an
11:48etiquette thing. I don't know. I want to see them get Cashon Booty more involved in the offense.
11:53I really think he could be. I think every rep he's gotten since September, he's done good things with
11:59finally got his first three a touchdown. DeMaria Douglas finally got his first three a touchdown.
12:02And I think a receiving core, maybe a starting three of Boutte or Booty, Douglas and Kendrick
12:08Bourne. I can work with that. I can work with that and maybe bring Taequann Thornton in every
12:13once in a while on like a five wide receiver set to like run a go route or something to clear the
12:18defense off. But I think those three receivers with Hunter Henry and then Ramond Ray Stephenson,
12:23that's like a passable offense. I'm not saying you're going to like the league on fire, but
12:28that's all I want to see a passable offense. And maybe Polk can come in making it over his drops
12:32and he can kind of emerge later on in the season. All I want, but if those three players can can
12:38really kind of do it, I personally think that Bourne is part of their future in some capacity.
12:44I don't think this is his last season in New England. Maybe disagree. I know you're a big
12:47Bourne guy. I feel like Bourne can be had for pretty cheap. He seems to like it here.
12:51And I feel like there may be if those three guys can develop and become a decent trio,
12:57there may be one skill player away from being a from a passable offense to a pretty decent offense.
13:03Yeah. And I mean, honestly, how much of it just comes with the development of the players? This
13:08is a situation where they've invested a fair bit in these young receivers. Maybe they bring in a
13:15veteran star to come and really push them over the top. But the real progress of this offense
13:20will come with May getting more experienced, Douglas getting more experienced, booty,
13:26just whichever receiver starts to develop, whether it's Polk, Booty, Baker, them progressing.
13:32But really, it comes with the offensive line, they if they can figure that out,
13:36if they spend every last penny that they have next year in free agency on improving the offensive line
13:42and not going bargain bin shopping, if they can bring in five above average players,
13:48or you know, they have one way, they only need to get four above average players.
13:51And maybe you feel good about one of your guards turning out and Andrews returning,
13:56you just bring in a couple of better players, this is going to be an average offense, right?
14:02If they score in 21 points against a good defense is a solid outing, if you can have better defensive
14:08production overall that we're used to seeing, and also not have as many turnovers. And so,
14:14you know, if they can inch their way towards a top 20 offense this year, then I think that they
14:21will continue that trajectory next year as everyone just gets a little bit older.
14:26Yeah, I mean, like, they can't really get much worse, right? It's really nowhere to go,
14:29but up. Again, I never thought I'd say this rich, but I legitimately feel like the impending return
14:35of Cole strange is going to be a good thing. There's often one, there's talking to moving
14:40him to center, he's played center in the past. But I feel like he's maybe not worth a first
14:45round pick, but he's a starting caliber offensive lineman in the NFL, I'll give him that much.
14:50And it's not as much as I can say about other players who've been on this line for the first
14:54quarter to half of the season. So strange is coming back, the line will get better. Maybe
14:59Ben Brown is this kind of diamond in the rough. That's not crazy to think about. He's been around
15:03the league long enough to know how to play center. So maybe they're slowly finding themselves to a
15:09serviceable line. And I wouldn't say that may is more mobile than preset, but he seems to have a
15:15little bit quicker release than preset, a little better instincts than preset. And there were a
15:19I counted at least two times, Rachel, I never want to get into the officiating and how awful
15:23the officiating is across the league, but I counted two times when the Texans jumped off sides
15:29and they were like in the backfield before the ball was even snapped. They didn't call it and
15:34neither for negative plays. Cause I think Drake may has kind of the instinct to get the hell out
15:37of there. Maybe that goes back to UNC days where his team was kind of so bad, he did carry the
15:40offense by himself. So maybe he's kind of just translating really, really nicely. But again,
15:45I think I like what I saw a lot out of this kid, like where his head's at. And I think there's
15:49nowhere to go, but up. I'm hoping it's not going to be some kind of second game slump coming up
15:53against the Jaguars, but I don't think there is. Yeah. No, I mean, to me, the biggest feeling that
15:58I had after it was like, man, if they started them against the dolphins, yeah. Yeah. And so
16:04they have a very soft part of their schedule coming up and I think their next what six,
16:11seven, eight games are pretty winnable. They're at the road against the Jaguars in London.
16:15They have the jets who are an enigma. They're either the worst team in the league or somehow
16:20they can stop the Patriots. Uh, then you have the Titans who are competing for one of the worst
16:25teams in the league, along with the Patriots and the Jaguars. You have the bears in Chicago,
16:29which should be hard, but they also have a rookie quarterback who knows things can happen.
16:34The Rams are really bad right now. The dolphins might have to a back, but they've been very,
16:39very bad. The Colts are really, really bad. They Patriots are not bi-week and then they're at
16:44Arizona, which is like a low tier team with the Cardinals. So this is a stretch where if may can
16:51continue to build and build, I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of mirrored, uh, Mac Jones
16:57is rookie year. Remember that stretch that he had where he just like was put up 50 points against
17:02some teams. And then he came down to earth during the last couple of weeks of the season. I wouldn't
17:05be surprised if you know, Patriots had the bills the last couple of weeks of the season that that
17:09happens again, but I can see this being a really big confidence booster stretch of the year.
17:14And as you said, for this game, the last deck drive, he was a lot better than he was on the
17:18first one. I would just love to see that ongoing development of comfort in a sense of he knows what
17:24he's doing. He seen some live pressure in plays and also that continued progression of pop Douglas
17:30and some of the other receivers. I think booty, I agree with you. Every time he's taking the field,
17:35he's made the most of his opportunities, which is way more than you can say of any of the other
17:39receivers that the Patriots have put out in recent years is that he catches the things that go to him
17:44and he makes something happen. And if they can all continue to develop together,
17:48then I'll have a lot of confidence about this being a success of the year.
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18:44Again, each week progress. I felt like we were treading water for six weeks and now or five
18:49weeks. And now we are no longer treading water. We'll continue to swim forward into week seven.
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20:14off with Broncos Saints, which I couldn't care less about. Most people are not going to get up
20:19for Jaguars Patriots. I feel like it's not going to be an overly well watched game, but the game
20:24I'm going to be watching the most. I'm amazed. This is not flexed into prime time is chiefs,
20:2849ers, a match, probably the game of the week, possible Superbowl preview, or the chiefs don't
20:34look great right now. Who knows what games you talked about this week for week seven, Rachel.
20:39You're not excited for the Sean Payton bowl on Thursday night football. Not one bit. I want the
20:44Saints to roll. I want the Saints to win by 40. I would love to see that happen. I mean, there are
20:52going to be some pretty imbalanced games here. Bill's Titans is going to be gross. Commander's
20:58Panthers is going to be pretty gross. But there are some games that I feel like will be relatively
21:04good. Ravens Bucks, sneaky good game. Buccaneers are doing really well this year. Ravens are
21:11probably the best team in the AFC if I had to choose. I know that the chiefs have their record,
21:17but I feel like the Ravens are a very good team. And so that one could be good. Lions,
21:22Vikings is going to be a very good game. You have the division division aspect of it,
21:27but they're two of the best teams in the entire league from a production standpoint.
21:31And so those will be what I'm looking for. Once I won't be watching Bengals at Browns. Browns are
21:37on a fire sale mode. I'm assuming that they'll just have a scrap heap of players on the roster
21:42in the coming weeks. But that is going to be probably the worst game of the week if I had
21:47to choose one. Yeah, it's up there. Again, I'm not overly excited about Dolphins Colts either.
21:52That's probably two teams that are going to be flattering. This is this is one of those games
21:55the bills are going to lose to the Titans for some reason, because they'll always seem to drop
21:59games like this every week. But I'm most curious about also it's giving a bill in the AFC East.
22:04The AFC East just got two new receivers, Rich Hill, Devante Adams reunited with Aaron Rodgers
22:09on the Jets and Amari Cooper, who a lot of people had going to the Patriots in a trade or next year
22:15is now a Buffalo Bill. Amari Cooper, to me, if you told me he had no catches or hit 150 yards
22:22and three touchdowns, I'd be equally unsurprised by that. Is that that kind of weird receiver?
22:29Great ad for the bills. They got him for a cheap amount. The one that's really intriguing to me,
22:33though, is the Devante Adams move. Obviously, Rodgers Adams have a connection, but I can't
22:38for the life of me figure out if that's going to do anything for that franchise. I feel like the
22:42Jets are just always going to find a way to do themselves wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those
22:48things where it's like, are they they just fired their head coach? Are they all in? Like, what's
22:53happening? Like, the defense wasn't the problem. You fire your defensive mind coach, you wouldn't
22:58let them fire the worst offensive coordinator in the league. And like Paige said, the worst
23:02offense, Hackett is the worst offensive coordinator. And I don't understand what the
23:08Jets are doing. I love that Bill Belichick was openly throwing shade at the Jets being like,
23:12you know, Jets are going to do what they do that that owner just, you know, likes to make these
23:18rash decisions. It's like, who knows what they're going to do. But that's what the Jets have always
23:23been. And he was just dancing on them right now. But yeah, I mean, me, it's more of like,
23:30were the Patriots were the Patriots considering making any of these moves? Like I'm sure Devante
23:36was like, I Aaron Rodgers or nothing. Yeah, totally. I get that. Do you think Amari Cooper
23:43had that same sway with the Browns? Or could the Patriots have put together a better offer
23:48than what the the bills did? Because it was like a third round pick in the seventh. And they got
23:53Amari Cooper in a sixth round pick. So it really was like Cooper for a third. And he's like a 30
23:59year old player who's gotten like 1000 yards in each of the past, like six of this past seven
24:03years or something like that. He's a reliable, good player. So I'm a bit surprised by how
24:09affordable that was. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine Amari Cooper a has that much pulled with the
24:14Browns front office and be the Browns would not take any deal. I'm they're not like a franchise
24:20that I've really seen with certain players be like, Oh, we're gonna factor in how you feel
24:25when you make this decision. And the Browns are notorious for taking horrible trades. So maybe the
24:31Patriots could have fleeced them and gotten Amari Cooper look with the Patriots have been better
24:35with Amari Cooper 100%. But maybe they have something else going on. Maybe there's a
24:40there are some rumors that like Jamar Chase is disgruntled. And I just don't see that happening.
24:45But you never know. I think there will be a receiver coming to the Patriots in some capacity.
24:49I don't know how I think maybe it might be a scenario where ideally I'm hoping
24:53knock on wood, receivers around the league are going to watch Drake may play for a couple more
24:58games, they're going to see the upside this kid has, they're gonna see the potential. And there
25:02will not be a scenario like there was his last offseason where receivers like, I'll come play
25:07in New England, if you pay me all the money, and give me zero on discounts, I'll come but otherwise,
25:14we're not going to be in a scenario where players will take less to come play with Tom Brady when a
25:18ring that's just gone. So maybe they're thinking maybe they showcase Drake may a bit more,
25:23it'll be easier to attract receivers. But who knows?
25:27Totally. Well, I mean, like thinking of last year, it's like I would not have been willing
25:30to pay Calvin Ridley what they needed to pay. And they would not have been happy if they had signed
25:37him for that amount. And so it's a situation where Cooper at his price point Adams at his price point,
25:44totally. But I think it'll be more of you know, I'd rather than get T Higgins and pay him all
25:49the money and have him be the outside receiver for them. And so I agree, honestly, maybe it'll
25:57make them be a more appetizing place for people to land if they think that they have the quarterback
26:02because everyone likes to be part of like that rebuilding legacy story. And if they feel like
26:07there's the right person to lead them there, then more people will want to come.
26:11Here's hoping again, we will see this week again, not a stellar slate of games in week seven,
26:16but not some good ones in there. And as you say, all the time, Rich, it's the ones you're not
26:20excited about that always turn into the barn burners. Lions Vikings. Talk about that one.
26:24That's gonna be a good game. Psyched about that one. The Vikings are undefeated somehow. The
26:29Lions are nasty. Possible NFC Championship preview there. NFC North matchup. That should be good. But
26:34it all kicks off. Well, not Thursday because no one watches that, but it all kicks off Monday,
26:38Sunday morning, 930 a.m. Bright and early Patriots Jaguars. We're going to break that
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28:00Game time. All right, Rich Hill, it is Patriots Jaguars. This is possibly going to have
28:05draft implications come April. If the loser has the number one overall pick or not, these teams
28:11are both one and five. New England, I believe technically as of right now, has a number one
28:15overall pick in the draft. That could obviously change this week, depending on how things go.
28:20Let's start off with the Patriots offense versus the Jaguars defense, because that's where we're
28:24all excited about. We talked about it in our first and goal about how Drake May improved from Snap
28:30One to the very end of the game. What are you looking to see in terms of continued progression
28:36for this kid? For me, it's going to be maybe a little more accuracy on his throws. I think it's
28:40very expected for an excited rookie to come and overthrow a few guys or put a few in the dirt a
28:45little, get the jitters down. I think now he's going to be had a game under his belt. I'm hoping
28:49he evens out a little bit more and a little more balls on point. Yeah, totally. I mean, I think
28:56the consistency is the goal. He had three very good drives that he made. There was a couple
29:02exemplary passes that he made. I'd like to see that happen on a higher percentage of the drives.
29:11That just means if he can have four scoring drives, that's great. That's what I'd love to
29:15see, four to five, whether they're touchdowns or field goals. I just like to see it be more than
29:21three of them. Because if you look at the other drives, he had those three really good scoring
29:25drives. What did they do with the other ones? There was a lot of turnover. It's not necessarily
29:29his fault that took place, but a lot of nothing across the other ones. Even if it's a drive that
29:37goes for 30 yards and they end up punting it, I'd rather that as a sign of progress than going three
29:42and out. I want to see that continued involvement. What I also would consider a sign of success is
29:49if we saw the same production out of Douglas and Booty and some of the other skill players that,
29:54Oh, okay. These players can do stuff because the under preset, it felt like it was a giant
30:01question mark of, is there anyone on this offense that can do anything in the passing game? Because
30:06everyone has a stat line of four targets, one catch for 11 yards, every single player. And
30:12to have a couple of players be like, Oh, I'm a potential a hundred yard threat that changes the
30:17game. That means that teams might have to respect and defend them as such where they hadn't had to
30:22do that with preset. And so the more you're able to develop, Hey, these players are ones that
30:25defenses have to account for, then that's progress overall. That might not necessarily be Drake may
30:30alone, but it's a sign that this offense is getting better and better. And it will force
30:35the defense to respect the play action a bit more, which has been getting no love whatsoever
30:39from defenses, which would be great. Yeah. Just look at, there's just one guy that there's nobody
30:44in the Patriots right now that anybody's game planning for specifically. I don't think they
30:48have anybody of that level anyway, but if they at least have to pay attention, like the DBS can
30:52no longer sleep through film study and still be fine against this offense. It'd be really, really
30:57nice. Um, two things I'd love to see from Drake may, besides the accuracy, I talked a little
31:02earlier. I don't know how much I have to go back and watch. I'm not going to do it, but I should
31:05go back and watch how much he called plays at the line, or if he audibled at all, if he had any kind
31:11of freedom to maybe change the play up once he read the defense, I'd love to give him a little
31:15more of a leash, maybe not let him go out there to pull a Tom Brady and just kind of run the
31:18offense, but maybe give him the opportunity to diagnose a defense a little bit, see what he sees.
31:24If he makes a mistake, fine. You go back and you correct it in game. I think that'd be really nice
31:29to see. And I want to see him extend a few more plays with his legs. He's done it pretty well.
31:32So far, that's always fun to watch. I don't need like a design Drake may bootleg at all,
31:37but I want to see his mobility on display a little bit more now because he did a bad job with the
31:42Texans. It's more just, it's fun to watch. It's a new weapon. The Patriots haven't really had in a
31:45while. So if we can account for that, or if we can force defenses to account for that, that could
31:50also open the passing game a little bit more because it's not some quarterback who's immobile
31:54back there and they don't really have to worry about him taking off at all. So those are two
31:57things I want to see him do. The Jaguars defense is not good, Rich. We were going through the roster
32:02before we got on air and we're both like, who that, who, I don't know any of these people on
32:07this roster. So it's a good final opportunity for the Patriots to maybe take a little breather a
32:13little bit in terms of these good defenses they've been facing. I wouldn't say open the playbook up,
32:17but they can do things and try things that they can have a little more success. They don't have
32:21to worry about this like all-star pass rusher just dominating this offensive line. Yeah, totally.
32:28This is going to be one of the weakest defenses they play all year. They rank 32nd in passing
32:34yards allowed this year, which for a team that loses a lot and is against teams that are likely
32:39to run the ball to run out the clock, they rank 32nd in passing yards allowed, 32nd in touchdown
32:46passes allowed. They've allowed 14 touchdown passes against one interception. They are a
32:52bottom-ranked passing defense. They are a middling rush defense. They do have some good defensive
32:58front players. Eric Armstead is a good player that they still have up in the middle,
33:03you know, Trevon Walker is an upcoming Josh Hutton's Allen upcoming pass rushers on the edge,
33:09sturdy against the run. They have some talent at that linebacker spot. I like Devin Lloyd a lot.
33:16I loved him coming out of the draft, but they have the pieces up front where they are completely weak
33:21is in that secondary spot. And that's where I feel like the Patriots can really have a really
33:27good opportunity to produce Jaguars rank 31st in the entire league in yards allowed to wide
33:34receivers this year. And they've allowed a hundred, uh, 1,153 yards, eight touchdowns.
33:40Second, uh, most yards overall, uh, second overall, uh, behind only the Ravens in things
33:46that they've allowed, they've allowed 93 receptions to wide receivers. To me, I look
33:51at it and say Demario Douglas booty born Polk. I'm going to say that they're my collective X factor.
34:00I would love to see one player break a hundred to others break 50. That's how weak and soft this
34:09defense is for the Jaguars. And that's like pretty lofty Patriots have not, it felt like they haven't
34:13had that in a while. Uh, but you look at how these other teams have had success through the air
34:18against the Jaguars. That's what I'm thinking. If the Patriots are able to do that,
34:21have one receiver look like a, Oh, Demario Douglas goes for a hundred.
34:26I can see hunter Henry cleaning up in the red zone for two scores, but to have some of these
34:30other wide receivers produce, I think we'll make it a, an easy case for the Patriots to win this
34:35game. So you're thinking a very, very pass heavy offensive approach based on the weakness in the
34:41secondary. Yep, absolutely. That makes sense. I was going to have Ramon Ray Stevens as my X
34:46factor. Assuming he plays get off the fumble lights a little bit. I think if he can basically
34:50be the weapon he's been all season and you add on just a little bit that Drake may showed against
34:57the Texans where the passing game is a, I wouldn't call it a big threat, but to a, an actual threat
35:02to, to a defense that could present a problem to a defense like this. So I want to see Ramon Ray
35:08Stevenson really be able to establish the run, despite the fact that I think you're right.
35:11It's definitely a pass first approach, but you can't just pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.
35:15And a good running back and a good tight end or a rookie quarterback's best friend.
35:20So I want to see your monitor get back off the Schneid this week.
35:23Yeah. I mean, I would love to see that happen. I kind of feel like Gibson might be the guy for a
35:29little bit just because of that fumble itis. And you know, if, if Ramon Ray is still dealing with
35:35injury I don't know how much they'd want to ride him in London. But it's a situation where like,
35:42if he goes out there, I wouldn't be shocked if he ran all over this Jaguars team.
35:46Uh, I would love to see the Patriots offense at full strength and the offense is so much better
35:51when Ramon Ray is out there doing his thing. Uh, and so, yeah, I mean, if he's able to go
35:56and like, that's a clear definition of an X factor, if he's able to go out there,
36:00then that makes life so much easier for Drake May. And that could open up a lot of things
36:06through the air as well. It'd be a lot of fun. It'd be a lot of fun to protect a lead,
36:11Rich Hill, which with the Patriots haven't done in a very long time. Move to fourth and goal
36:15Patriots defense versus the Jaguars offense. It's funny, looking back at this roster,
36:20I feel like the Jaguars offense on paper has some pretty talented players. Obviously,
36:25Mac Jones under center is not going to be letting anybody up, but Trevor Lawrence is a good
36:29quarterback. They have some good receivers. They have a running back with, to your point,
36:34you all talked about before, uh, we got on an all time hall of fame running back name and tank
36:39Bigsby. Um, love it. Love it. It's got, it's got Travis Etienne, who's a good running back.
36:43They've got good tight ends. Evan Ingram's a good tight end. They have a decent wide receiver trio
36:48and Dave Davis, uh, Tim Jones, uh, Christian Kirk, Peter Parker, Washington. They've got decent
36:53players on the roster, but they can't seem to put it together. However, Rich on paper,
36:59uh, I like New England matching up against this defense, this offense, excuse me,
37:04you put a hat on the hat. I think passive a good chance to maybe not give up 41 points this time.
37:11Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I think that they'll do a lot better against the Jaguars than they
37:15did against the Texans where I feel a little bit of concern, a little bit of concern. Uh,
37:22you look at all of the really good players that the Jaguars have on this office that you've
37:26mentioned, Brian Thomas, rookie wide receiver looks outstanding averaging 17 yards to catch
37:32huge speedster. I imagine Jonathan Jones gets the matchup on them. And then Christian Kirk,
37:38probably against Gonzalez as all one-on-one situation. And they have Gabe Davis who has
37:43given the Patriots fits in the past coming over from the bills. They have a good trio
37:48of receivers out there, but it is the running backs that make me feel the most nervous because
37:53you talked about this at the beginning of this podcast of can the Patriots fix the run defense
37:59problem? Because so long as opposing teams are able to run the ball at will, then the Patriots
38:05are going to have an exhausted defense because they can't yet rely on their offense to lead
38:10extended drives. And that leads to breakdowns in the second half leads to more missed tackles
38:14leads to more broken down fundamentals. And so if I'm the Jaguars, I'm saying, I'm going to try and
38:21run the ball as much as I can against this Patriots defense. That is one of the worst in the
38:27league against the run. I'm going to push them on this one. Obviously I think they rank like 20th
38:32overall in yards allowed per carry, but they're not as good as that number suggests. Jaguars have
38:38an above average rushing attack and with the Patriots not having bar more with them continuing
38:43to try and figure out what's happening at that linebacker spot with Gerard Mayo saying some
38:48changes are going to happen. Who knows what the Patriots defensive front will look like.
38:52We've seen Dietrich Wise have a handful of penalties, Keon White. There's a lot of things
38:56that could lead to switches and the defensive front that I don't know if they'd be good or not.
39:02But if I'm the Patriots, I'd be very afraid of this Jaguars rushing attack.
39:06Especially given again, I don't know the last time they gave up less than 150 yards on the ground.
39:11I think it was 182 last week. There's like 163 against the Dolphins. It is always a buck 50 on
39:18the ground. And the problem with that especially is these drives, they're just long and they're
39:23sustained and the defense is going to get gassed. I mean, luckily the Patriots had a decent time
39:28possession battles, almost 50-50 against the Texans. But you're seeing some of these games
39:31in the past. It's like 40 to 20 in terms of minutes that the offense has the ball.
39:36And if the Patriots are stuck on the field late, you're just going to grind them and grind them
39:40and grind them down, which is why I'm actually getting Marte Mappu as my defensive linebacker.
39:44I think he had a great game against the Texans. A couple of mistakes, but overall pretty solid
39:50in coverage. He was a great pick. I think he's going to be a nice fit for this team.
39:54And maybe he can be that kind of thumper linebacker hybrid safety who also has the agility
40:00and the speed to not just be a run stopper. He can kind of bridge the gap between the secondary
40:04and the front seven the way that we haven't had in a while. So hopefully it's not a big game.
40:09Yeah, I mean, he had that pass defended last week against the Texans that led to the
40:13interception in the end zone. Love that. I think Mappu has a very bright future. I think pairing
40:18him with Tevye and Bentley in the longterm is a really good trio, right? That's like an ideal
40:24situation because as trends in the NFL are going, the running attack is going to come back, but you
40:30still need people who can cover. Mappu is perfect for that. You have Bentley who can go downhill,
40:35Tevye that can go downhill, you have Mappu who can do it all. Kind of like a version of Patrick
40:40Chung as it relates to the ability to kind of do it all, but having it be less about three receiver
40:45sets and having it more be two tight ends or running back kind of a defense situation. And so
40:51love that. I think that's a really good one. My X factor is also going to be in the defensive front
40:57seven. I think that Godshaw had a really good game last week against the Texans. I'd love to see him
41:03stack those together, but Ekoale is going to be my X factor for the game because he has been,
41:09in my mind, the weak link on this defensive front. Like obviously I think that they can do a better
41:13job setting the edge. I'd love to see more out of Dietrich Weiss, love to see Keon White go back
41:18to what he was doing over the first couple of weeks of the season. Same with Uche doing better
41:22at holding the edge and Jennings is great. I love seeing Jennings out there, but I think it's Ekoale
41:27who gets the snaps. I think he played like two thirds of the snaps against the Texans. So he's
41:32getting the opportunities out there. I just need to see him do more with that because he's getting
41:38moved. He's not being as effective as we need him to be to allow the linebackers to do their job.
41:45And I don't think that there's other players that are going to supplant him. I don't think that they
41:50have the depth at the position to allow it. Like Jaqueline Roy, love seeing him get two sacks over
41:56the past couple of weeks. Is he good enough to start? I don't think so. And so to have Ekoale,
42:03who's been given the opportunity out there, I need to have him have a really good game with
42:07the Patriots going to stop the run. Yeah, somebody has to step it up and it's may as well be Ekoale.
42:13That's a great pick. I like that. He's one of those guys you kind of forget he's on the team,
42:17which isn't necessarily a bad thing for interior defensive linemen, but you want to see him kind
42:21of come up and make his name known, which is good. I think this is a nice break for Christian
42:26Gonzalez. I don't really see him having a problem winning these receivers. You see him as a Gabe
42:32Davis kind of matchup one-on-one or who'd you put him up against? I would put Gonzalez against
42:36Christian Kirk. I think it's just from like a size dynamic perspective. And I think when you
42:40have Gabe Davis out there, that might be a Marcus Jones situation. I think Jones has had like an up
42:45and down start to the year. But I think from a matchup perspective, like who has the speed,
42:52you have Gabe Davis coming out of there. I think you have to go speed on speed with Jonathan Jones
42:59and Brian Thomas. Marcus Jones gets Gabe Davis. I imagine there might be some sort of a handoff
43:04at some point in time, but I think that the Jaguar is going to do whatever they can to try and get
43:09them open in space. And the Patriots have to do whatever bracket coverage they can with whomever
43:14is available and hope that Gonzalez can cover Kirk on an island. I'll tell you if Marcus Jones
43:19is covering Gabe Davis, get that man a ladder. He's given up like five inches, but he's shifty,
43:24which I like. Again, I think the Patriots are well positioned to possibly win this game. We'll go to
43:29soon. I think this is a really, really good follow up. So I would like to hope that everybody inside
43:35that locker room is feeling good about what happened this last Sunday. They're saying the
43:39right things they're talking about. We need to encourage each other to do better, but I'd like
43:42to hope they saw progress. They're part of something now. They're not just spinning their
43:47wheels. And I think they also see an opportunity for them to move forward to the team and make a
43:55bit of a statement on Sunday. To that point, anything else you want to talk about or shift
44:00to predictions? Let's go into predictions, man. All right. Well, we both foolishly picked the
44:05Patriots to upset the Texans this past Sunday. You had a 20-point Patriots. I had an 18-14 Patriots.
44:12Samsonite, we're way off. So you were the last one to have it with the Dolphins game. You get
44:18the first pick. Patriots are technically on the road, I think, against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
44:24London, 930, who you got? Yeah. So for this one, I am going to choose the Patriots again,
44:34but only because I feel like the Jaguars are that much of a disaster. They are a loss to the
44:39Patriots away from firing their head coach immediately before the game ends. That's the
44:45state that they're in. And Patriots, I imagine, will be riding this momentum a little bit with
44:51Drake May. I think you'll see some of the pieces keep coming together. I saw more motion, it felt
44:58like, on offense, as in literally players running across the field before the snap with Drake May
45:03under center than we ever saw with Brissette. And that's what I wanted to see. That's the
45:09development and progression we need to see from Van Pelt calling the offense. And so if there's
45:14the building blocks, I think the Patriots are heading in the right way and the Jaguars are not.
45:18And so I'm having the Patriots winning this one. I don't think it'll be a pretty one,
45:22but I think the Patriots will win this one, something like 27 to 20.
45:28You son of a bitch. Okay. I was going to pick Patriots 30 to 20 and now I can't do that. So I
45:33feel like I'm writing you. So I got to cross that one out. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like
45:39the fact that the Jaguars are like, what, five and a half point favorites for this one. I don't
45:44think that bodes well for the Jaguars. I saw nothing from the Jacksonville Jaguars this season
45:48that leads me to believe they're five point favorites in this game. The one thing they
45:52definitely have going for them is they play in London so much that maybe they're used to the
45:57travel and the jet lag and that's something that can affect the team. It just can. Anybody who's
46:02traveled overseas can tell you, it takes you a couple of days to really get used to it. You
46:05still never, it takes you like a full week to really, really adjust to a time. The Jaguars,
46:10they play in London all the time because nobody goes to the games in Jacksonville.
46:14But that said, I think this is, I think the Patriots know they have a chance here to do
46:18something good for not only this season, but their, their, their future and beyond. This is
46:23a probably a way more important game than it should be for a week seven matchup of a one in
46:28five team. And I hopefully drive Mayo's is filling that in the team. So, so I can't pick 30 to 20.
46:34I will go on the lower end of the scoring spectrum and say the Patriots win this one,
46:38something like 24 to 13. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I like this. I mean, ultimately at the end of the
46:44day, this is a game between two of the worst teams in the NFL. And by that, I mean like two of the
46:50bottom four teams. So, uh, anything could possibly happen. These are two fundamentally unsound teams
46:58that will have lots of errors. The variance and opportunity for this game to go 40 to 40 or be
47:05three to six. It was very, very possible that all of these are on the table. And especially you add
47:12in the going to London situation, anything can happen on this one. I kind of feel like the
47:16Patriots are due after the past couple of weeks for a good side of the, the register with regards
47:22like turnover luck. Um, and so I have the Patriots and I feel comfortable with that one. Um, but
47:28ultimately like my last question for you, Alec, thinking of the draft 2025, do we want the Patriots
47:37to win this? Yeah. Is it like, you know, this was like the, the, the number one overall pick tie
47:43breaker. Yeah. I think this would be, I mean, I haven't done my draft prep yet because it's freaking
47:49October. However, uh, I, my initial read is this is not a, a bad draft to not have a number one
47:57overall pick because you don't need a quarterback. You need a left tackle. That's who you want to go
48:01in the first round of 2025, I think, or unless you do some amazing off season work, but you want like
48:07a stud franchise left tackle. And that can be had in like pick seven to 12, I think at this point.
48:13So I'd be okay with, I think with the, the benefit of winning this game far outweighs the benefit of
48:19losing or winning a tiebreaker for number one overall pick. And even if they do win, there's
48:24still plenty of chances down the line to screw it up some more. So it's not like this is for the
48:28number one overall pick on the line. If this game was happening like late December, and this would
48:32actually decide maybe different question, but I want them to win here. So early enough that
48:38maybe they go on some kind of crazy run and they went like six in a row. And all of a sudden,
48:43there's like a scenario where they can sneak into the wild card. I highly doubt it's going to
48:47happen, but I can see that narrative manifesting itself starting this week. Um, question for you,
48:53Rachel, is there any way in hell this game is worse than Patriots Colts last year in London?
48:59Oh my gosh. Um, yeah. Yeah, totally. I mean, anything's possible. Uh, you got a rookie
49:06quarterback in his second start going against one of the most underwhelming teams of the past
49:1120 years. Uh, yeah, yeah. This could be just as bad. Um, I don't think it will be because that
49:18was one that I mean, that was when Belgium was fired. Like that is when he should not have come
49:23home. Um, so emotionally that game was far worse. Uh, but this is one where there's no expectations.
49:30I think the Patriots will play a little bit looser. Uh, I guess again, they have nothing to
49:34lose. They got to see what they have. They're not competing to be like, Oh, we got to preserve our,
49:38our winning record here. Uh, they're trying to figure out who they have. And I think as a result,
49:42they're going to play a little bit freer than the Jaguars that are fighting their own expectations
49:47and likelihood of their head coach being fired. And so I think that the Patriots will do better
49:53than they did last year in London. Yeah, I hope so. Again, the real heroes are those of us getting
49:58up to watch it, which is going to be me nine 30 AM. It'll be nice. It'll be nice to have the game
50:03over by like noon and I can kind of get on with my Sunday. Uh, I've watched very little. I'm not
50:08gonna lie. I've watched very little non Patriots football this season. Rich Hill. It's just harder
50:13to get into. I feel like the games are very, very hard to watch with officiating being what it is
50:18and commercials every two seconds. Just the product isn't as enjoyable as it used to be.
50:22Maybe it's just me being curmudgeonly, but I feel like it's, I'll be, I'll be excited to
50:25watch the game early and get out of the rest of my day. What you mean? You're not very read up on
50:30this Jacksonville Jaguars team. You just need to know every last detail of this one in five
50:38monstrosity. Uh, no, they are a bad team that is underperforming and yeah, it's Sunday and a
50:45beautiful fall. I hope everyone can enjoy their afternoons. Alec, I got nothing else on this one.
50:50I am hopeful that we'll be able to break this down with a victory Wednesday podcast next week,
50:55but you have any final thoughts on week six of the NFL season or week seven.
51:00Week seven. Again, it is wild to me that we are already approaching the halfway point of the
51:04year. It always happens. I don't know how it always flies by, but it always does. But, uh,
51:08I'm glad I got you here to ramble too, because if it was just me in the basement talking to myself,
51:12which I have done on occasion, it wouldn't quite be as therapeutic. So I appreciate your service,
51:17Richo. All right. Well, anytime I'm here for you. And until next time, Alec, you have a good one.
51:22You too, buddy. See ya.