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FOXBORO -- Taylor Kyles, Mike Kadlick, Alex Barth, and Brian Hines come together for the final practice recap before the first Patriots preseason game! Join us for a comprehensive recap of Day 11 at the New England Patriots Training Camp, where we dive into quarterback Drake Maye's evolving performance and the team's preparations for the upcoming preseason game. In this episode, we analyze May'es growing confidence and accuracy, while also addressing the challenges he faces in securing a starting role. We’ll also discuss the uncertainty surrounding the offensive line due to injuries and player rotations, and how this could impact the team's run-heavy strategy. Plus, get the latest updates on wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk's trade situation and what it means for the Patriots' roster dynamics. Don't miss our insights as we gear up for an exciting preseason showdown against the Panthers!

0:00 - Introduction of guests
2:10 - Drake Maye's performance
6:49 - Drake Maye's progress
8:59 - Brian's take on Maye
12:12 - Drake Maye's preseason plan
17:42 - Injury updates
20:01 - Offensive line concerns
23:00 - Javon Baker's performance
25:52 - Javon Baker opportunities
30:01 - Christian Gonzalez performance
34:19 - Defensive interior analysis
39:01 - Chad Ryland's kicks
42:56 - Future team predictions
45:00 - Brandon Aiyuk's value
49:00 - Receiver market dynamics
51:29 - Player trade agreements
54:00 - Business of football
56:01 - Navigating player relations

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00:00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James White, Field, Yates, Mina Kimes.
00:00:26All right.
00:00:27Basically, we're going to look at second and two, one of the Patriots' first offensive
00:00:30plays.
00:00:31All right.
00:00:32On that note, we're underway here, a live crossover edition of Patriots Beating Patriots
00:00:41Daily.
00:00:42Alex Barth, Brian Hines, Taylor Kiles, Mike Kadlik.
00:00:45We are coming to you, for those who are watching this recorded, and I feel like it's important
00:00:50we date and time these shows at this point, four o'clock on Tuesday.
00:00:54We will touch on the latest Brandon Ayuk rumors, but the reality is, if you're watching
00:00:59this prerecorded, they may not be the latest rumors at that point, because this thing's
00:01:02moving quickly.
00:01:03We'll do that at the end of the show, give more time to develop, so we're even less filled
00:01:07in.
00:01:08I want to start with practice today.
00:01:09Really, the last couple of days, as we're doing these at the end of each block of practices,
00:01:13I think it's fair to say, guys, the dog days of camp are over.
00:01:16That's kind of what I look at at this window.
00:01:17Yeah, we're all in long sleeves now.
00:01:19Well, I mean, these guys can't handle a little bit of rain.
00:01:23These two New Englanders, Taylor, I guess you're-
00:01:25I spent some time in L.A.
00:01:26You were in L.A.
00:01:27I'll give you a pass.
00:01:28These two guys, New Englanders, they're in raincoats, like 70 degrees out, not raining,
00:01:31we're undercover, so rip them in the chat all you want.
00:01:35But the dog days of camp are over at this point, with the first preseason game next
00:01:39up on the schedule on Thursday, and it'll basically be game weeks from here on out.
00:01:44I want to start with Drake May.
00:01:45I thought today was one of his better practices of camp.
00:01:47Struggled a little bit late in the one minute drill, we can get to that, but when I watched
00:01:51him today for most of practice, the one word I kept coming back to was comfortable.
00:01:56I think today was the first day that he really looked comfortable, that he was really in
00:02:00a rhythm, and that he was really able to kind of settle in and do what he does best.
00:02:06Brian, we'll start with you.
00:02:07Did you feel the same way?
00:02:08Yeah.
00:02:09I was going to say confident, decisive, so kind of right along with you.
00:02:12I thought he was really good today, starting in seven on sevens in the red area.
00:02:17He's still very impressive in the red area, which I guess kind of translates from his
00:02:20North Carolina film, but back-to-back, perfectly placed back pylon fades to Kayshawn Booty
00:02:26and then Jaheim Bell.
00:02:27Then in 11s, he had a really nice drive, kind of drove the field, stalled at the end probably
00:02:31due to some pressure, but just kind of taking profits, taking what the defense gave him,
00:02:35a couple short completions, three to Jalen Rager, I think, so it looked sharp there.
00:02:39And then the last one minute drill, which kind of fell off the rails, but wasn't necessarily
00:02:44his fault.
00:02:45We can get into that.
00:02:46Which we'll get into, but yeah, I thought more confident, more decisive.
00:02:49I think Drake May is kind of stacking some good days.
00:02:51Taylor?
00:02:52I think the same, and I think the comfort was a lot because this was one of the days
00:02:55where the offensive line wasn't the problem.
00:02:57Instead, again, we'll get into it later, but it was more the pass catchers, actually.
00:03:01And it's starting to kind of get in my head of, okay, when are we going to give Drake
00:03:04May the opportunity to maybe get some reps with the ones?
00:03:07Because I think now we've consistently seen, while he was more comfortable than he's been
00:03:11recently, and I think throughout practice, this has continued a trend where ever since
00:03:16that second padded practice, he looks good.
00:03:18The accuracy's been on point.
00:03:19This was maybe his most accurate practice, where I felt like ball placement was good
00:03:23throughout.
00:03:24And then, you know, a little bit of faltering later on.
00:03:27Don't think it was totally on him, but I really liked what I saw today from Drake.
00:03:30Yeah, I think I like how you mentioned the offensive line sort of not being the problem
00:03:33today.
00:03:34I feel like that's where it sort of started and ended, where his processing has sped up
00:03:37a little bit.
00:03:38And you see him, we talked about it a lot yesterday on our live show, where he's scrambling
00:03:40a ton.
00:03:41You didn't see a lot of that today because you saw he was being decisive with the football.
00:03:45It just hit off guys' hands and turned into, again, that interception in one-minute drill.
00:03:49And you're right, I think we're going to see him with the ones a little bit more.
00:03:53I think we'll probably get a look at that a little bit on Thursday in the preseason
00:03:57game.
00:03:58I don't know if he'll be out there with the normal, I guess, offensive linemen ones.
00:04:03We'll see how that whole rotation goes, because I'm sure we'll get to all the injuries that
00:04:06we're sort of seeing here.
00:04:08But at the end of the day, I think he's looking more comfortable.
00:04:11He's putting the ball in the right place.
00:04:13It's just, again, a couple of drops here and there, and hopefully we get to see him
00:04:17with at least the one receivers on Thursday and sort of see the confidence continue to
00:04:21go.
00:04:22Because you're right, he is on a better track for sure.
00:04:23Yeah, and I think what really helped, you mentioned that he's still at that second offensive
00:04:25line, but the true second offensive line had kind of been with the top unit the last few
00:04:30days with guys in and out of the lineup.
00:04:31And he's working with Nick Leverett today, who actually has been consistent and legitimate
00:04:36center except for in that one-minute drill, which I promise we'll get to.
00:04:39We keep teasing that.
00:04:40He had Cade Wallace with him as well.
00:04:41It was crazy.
00:04:43So let's get to that again.
00:04:45He's good in the red zone, good in full field 11s.
00:04:48They go at the end of practice into a one-minute situation.
00:04:52Jacoby Brissette went first.
00:04:54He started off on a low note, gets back behind the sticks.
00:04:58I think there was a false start penalty, pushed him back.
00:05:00Fourth and long, he hits K.J. Osborne over the middle.
00:05:02Great contested catch by Osborne over two defenders.
00:05:06Couldn't really move the ball much beyond that.
00:05:08Chad Ryland misses a 53-yard field goal wide left to close it.
00:05:11Drake May comes up.
00:05:12First play, he tests a tight, tight window to Javon Baker on an out route.
00:05:18And I don't know if it was Baker's hands that popped it up or if the defender got a hand
00:05:23in there, but the ball pops up in the air and Marcellus Dial is right there, makes the
00:05:28catch for the interception.
00:05:29I didn't so much have a problem with the throw as I did the decision.
00:05:33I get it's practice.
00:05:34You want to test things.
00:05:35It's a really tight window to test.
00:05:37Maybe could he have gone elsewhere.
00:05:38So they, you know, re-rack it to give him another chance after it being just one play.
00:05:42And he goes three and out.
00:05:43He had a miss.
00:05:45There was a bad snap by Antonio Mafia to delay a game.
00:05:47It was just kind of all over the place.
00:05:49He continues to struggle in these more live game situations.
00:05:52That's why I think Thursday is such a big test.
00:05:54And as we talk about him getting more reps with the ones, I think we see now that he's
00:05:59starting to become more comfortable.
00:06:01It's working for him in the red zone.
00:06:03He's doing better in full field.
00:06:05When that clock starts ticking, he's in the one or two minute.
00:06:07It's more live.
00:06:08He starts to struggle.
00:06:10Thursday to me, I think maybe it's mischaracterized at times and there's a give and a take here,
00:06:15right?
00:06:16You want to see him play up to the level where he's, you know, he's on par with the other
00:06:24ones and you feel like he's going to give them an opportunity or they're going to give
00:06:27him an opportunity, but he has to give them an opportunity.
00:06:30It's something that needs to be earned.
00:06:31And I think Thursday night is how Drake May earns more reps with the ones.
00:06:35And if he has a good performance Thursday night, then you start talking about, okay,
00:06:39well, you got a joint practice with the Eagles.
00:06:41This is a really good chance to evaluate his progress in that regard.
00:06:44You go into that second preseason game, does he get more of a chance with them?
00:06:47That's what I think Thursday is about for Drake May.
00:06:49Can he prove he'll have a better line?
00:06:51Like you said, he should get some chances with better receivers.
00:06:55Given that, can he prove that he has earned an opportunity to work with what is truly
00:07:00the first team offense on a more regular basis in practice and then moving forward
00:07:04in the joint practice and preseason games?
00:07:07So do you think it's, do you think he, so you say he has to earn it, do you think he
00:07:11has to earn it or do you think they should kind of give it to him because he's your number
00:07:14three pick?
00:07:15It's a give and take.
00:07:16It's a give and take.
00:07:17So when you put it that way, it's not about them giving it to him, right?
00:07:21It's about, maybe earned is the wrong word, but if he's not ready, you don't want to put
00:07:27him in there.
00:07:29The last thing they can do, and I've talked about this, his progress needs to dictate
00:07:35their timeline.
00:07:36You can't have your timeline dictate it and hope his progress catches up.
00:07:40So I guess when I say earn those reps, I mean show that he's ready for that next stage of
00:07:45the progress, Taylor.
00:07:47And to add to that, I feel like, you know, obviously you don't want to rush him out there,
00:07:50but there are still things where operationally and in terms of his energy, clearly he's still
00:07:55very much behind.
00:07:56Like you've got it in scouting reports before any of this happened where they said, yeah,
00:07:59he may take a year before he's really comfortable and can lead an offense.
00:08:03And if you looked at the Mic'd Up segment, the Patriots released with Jacoby Bursette,
00:08:06really great content, period.
00:08:08But you saw Jacoby Bursette is comfortable.
00:08:10He's clearly the leader of this offense, whereas Drake May, I think he understands he's not
00:08:14quite there yet.
00:08:15You haven't really seen where, if you look at Drake May Mic'd Up with UNC, very different
00:08:19energy.
00:08:20He clearly is a leader of that program.
00:08:21He talks to everybody.
00:08:22He's buddy-buddy with everybody.
00:08:24He's still getting in the mix here, so I don't think he's ready to really get the keys from
00:08:27Jacoby Bursette.
00:08:28And as we've mentioned in pretty much every practice, at some point you do see the difference
00:08:31in operation, whether it's, you know, pre-snap penalties, which have happened for both units,
00:08:36not really getting things going in timely fashion.
00:08:38I think those are the areas where like those are some bare, maybe not leadership thing
00:08:43that comes with experience, but in terms of getting everybody on the same page, getting
00:08:46the plays done in the way that Jacoby Bursette can, there's a gap there.
00:08:50So while I'd like to see, hey, can he ball with the top defense and look good with the
00:08:53starting players, I also want him to just be able to get to the line of scrimmage efficiently
00:08:58and snap the ball without there being issues.
00:08:59Brian, what's at stake for Drake May Thursday night?
00:09:02I think he said everything.
00:09:04His career is on the line.
00:09:07Yeah, I think, you know, I was ready to give him reps with the quote-unquote starters after
00:09:12the first block of practices.
00:09:13You were ready to give him reps with the starters after they drafted him.
00:09:15That's true.
00:09:16Before they drafted him.
00:09:17Week 18 last year.
00:09:18I think we mentioned that after the first preseason game is when we kind of saw Mac
00:09:23do that a few years ago.
00:09:25So yeah, this could be the start where if he goes out and again, not earns it.
00:09:28I think he's showed that he deserves them.
00:09:30And now if he goes out there and we mentioned the no huddle and the hurry up situations,
00:09:35maybe he has a really good hurry up situation, you know, Thursday night and just again, not
00:09:40earn, but just deserve more of those snaps with the number ones.
00:09:42All right.
00:09:43So Gerard Mayo said before practice today, the plan right now when he left Wiggle Room
00:09:46for it to change.
00:09:47But the plan right now is for all four quarterbacks to play.
00:09:51You're making the decision.
00:09:52How do you break up the snaps?
00:09:54Well, Jacoby Brissett got a ton of run today, so he's expected to start, but maybe that's
00:09:59just for a series or two.
00:10:01And then I would say Drake May, maybe the rest of the first half, maybe into the third
00:10:06quarter, like maybe give him the first drive coming out of halftime to get that experience.
00:10:10And then you're kind of Bailey Zappi, Joe Milton range from that point on Taylor.
00:10:15I'm on the exact same page.
00:10:17So I guess we'll just go a little deeper into how exactly maybe the third quarter, third
00:10:20and fourth quarterback reps are going to split up.
00:10:22That's what's going to be most interesting for me.
00:10:24They've given Bailey Zappi some moments like in warm ups where there's some clear deference
00:10:28to the veteran where they'll let Bailey Zappi be the second quarterback during warm ups.
00:10:32And then you don't see it again when things actually get competitive in teamwork.
00:10:35So maybe we see, you know, Bailey Zappi open up the third quarter or something like that,
00:10:39open up the second half, and then we have Joe Milton putting things away and it changes
00:10:43throughout the course of the preseason.
00:10:44I do feel like at least with this first game, it's going to be Zappi out there first and
00:10:47then Joe Milton maybe in the fourth quarter, like after a couple of drives for Zappi.
00:10:51I'll just add to the beginning of the game.
00:10:53I don't think Brissette should be out there for long at all.
00:10:56One drive, get a little comfortable, see what you have, because again, this plan for Drake
00:11:00May is work behind Jacoby Brissette, let Jacoby Brissette ease the Patriots offense into the
00:11:06season where if you, God forbid, lose Jacoby on, you know, a second or third drive, what
00:11:11have you, to some freaking, again, I don't want to speak that into existence.
00:11:14Something happens, then you kind of have to revamp this whole thing and figure out, are
00:11:18we going to go with Drake May early, or are we going to try and get Bailey Zappi ready
00:11:21to be this, like there's a lot of, you know, there would be a pretty shitty trickle-down
00:11:25to happen if Brissette were to get hurt somewhere in the preseason.
00:11:27He's so important to Drake May's development and getting them into the season.
00:11:30I don't want to risk it.
00:11:31We've seen them do this in the past.
00:11:32I think Brissette gets a couple of drives just to go through the rhythms, but they'll
00:11:36probably be run heavy to avoid the situation you're laying out.
00:11:40So I think Brissette gets a couple of drives because I think this is all we're going to
00:11:45see him in the preseason.
00:11:46Next week you have a joint practice, and we're getting, a lot of this is guessing.
00:11:50Under Bill, I can tell you exactly how this would go, because I saw him run this thing
00:11:53for 20 years.
00:11:55Now, I would assume Brissette doesn't practice next week with the joint practices, so assuming,
00:11:59and he's not, the third preseason game is the new fourth preseason game.
00:12:02So assuming this is it for Jacoby Brissette, two, maybe three drives, Drake May comes in
00:12:07either at the very end of the first quarter or in the second quarter.
00:12:10The question to me, and this may be decided live, this may not be, and it should be decided
00:12:16live and not ahead of time.
00:12:19Does he come back out after the half?
00:12:21Bill Belichick used to talk a lot about this.
00:12:22There's tremendous value in going through that process of going into the half, meeting
00:12:28with the coaches, figuring out the adjustments, going out and executing them.
00:12:32Ideally, I think Drake May plays second quarter, goes through that process at the turn, comes
00:12:37back out one or two drives in the third quarter, and then you see to Zappi and then Milton.
00:12:42The problem is, if they can't get it blocked, and if you can't protect him, and no, you
00:12:49don't have to worry about blocking Brian Burns, I know I said that on the Sports Hub show
00:12:52earlier, brain fart, he got traded.
00:12:56Who's the other defensive tackle?
00:12:57Derek Brown.
00:12:58Derek Brown, right?
00:12:59If you can't block him, if you can't get this thing blocked, you can't risk him getting
00:13:03hurt.
00:13:05I think that's going to dictate exactly how much Drake May plays.
00:13:07I also think of the, not for this game, I guess this is more for against the Eagles,
00:13:10but I think of the Packers last year, where they did have joint practices, they were intense,
00:13:15they went two days, and we still saw Mac Jones in the starting offense get a couple reps
00:13:19in there.
00:13:20Also, I don't think this offense, who knows where it's going to be there, but it's hard
00:13:24to get worse than the offensive line they put out there last year, and how bad things
00:13:27got, so I feel like that Packers game gives us a better idea.
00:13:30I also think there's going to be more game planning against the Eagles, because Jarod
00:13:33May was very clear, this is not about game planning, this is purely fundamentals.
00:13:37I think maybe, like you mentioned, third quarter, you see Jacoby Bursette get out there just
00:13:43to kind of get all those guys pulled and see what they can do, but this game I really feel
00:13:46like it's going to be super straightforward.
00:13:49One drive for Jacoby Bursette, if it's successful, if it's not, and they go three and out, maybe
00:13:52you see him back out there again.
00:13:53A little niche question here.
00:13:55Who is the third quarterback?
00:13:56Bailey Zappi?
00:13:57I think it's Zappi.
00:13:58Taylor mentioned the deference to the veteran.
00:14:00Oh, in the game, yeah.
00:14:02I think in order, it's Zappi.
00:14:04I think it may be some of what we've seen in practice.
00:14:06In order, it's Zappi.
00:14:07Who ends up with more reps?
00:14:08I think it's going to be Milton.
00:14:09I think Zappi may only get a drive or two.
00:14:11It may just be, you know, let's say Milton does make the turn, or sorry, let's say May
00:14:16does make the turn.
00:14:17All right, so he plays one or two drives in the third, there's going to be one or two
00:14:20more, that's Zappi, and then Milton gets the whole fourth.
00:14:22I think it would be something like that.
00:14:24All right, that's a lot on the quarterbacks.
00:14:26Let's pause, pay the bills real quick, we'll come back, we'll talk about some other key
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00:15:42Alright, welcome back.
00:15:44Patriots Beat Patriots Daily Crossover.
00:15:46Alex Barth, Brian Hines, Taylor Kiles, Mike Kavlik.
00:15:49Just touched on the quarterbacks.
00:15:50Let's get to, what do you guys want to do first?
00:15:52Offensive line or receivers?
00:15:54Oh, offensive line.
00:15:55Alright.
00:15:56Who the hell is going to be the offensive line?
00:15:59In week one of the preseason?
00:16:00No, I'm saying, like, there's been so many moving pieces, and we saw more today.
00:16:03Siddy So wasn't involved.
00:16:05Michael Jordan mixed in there at guard.
00:16:07I think there were a couple other guys, right, that mixed in at guard.
00:16:09Was it just Jordan with the top unit?
00:16:10I think it was Michael Jordan exclusively with left guard, yeah.
00:16:12Alright.
00:16:13Tarheels.
00:16:14I'm gone.
00:16:15Obviously the other Michael Jordan.
00:16:17Gerard Mayo has talked about, and he's said this multiple times, that the cutoff to decide,
00:16:24like, this is going to be our offensive line to start the season is the second preseason game.
00:16:28I know we're talking a lot about the first, but that second preseason game isn't that far away.
00:16:33You have one game and two practices, essentially, or three practices to get this thing figured out.
00:16:37So you have to figure the guys that get an opportunity in this game.
00:16:40You know, Shook's core four will be a factor.
00:16:42He's hurt, right?
00:16:43But this is a big opportunity.
00:16:45It's kind of the chance before the chance to try out the line.
00:16:49We've seen Caden Wallace's role diminished.
00:16:51A lot of moving pieces at guard.
00:16:53Who should be the starting five on Thursday night?
00:16:58Well, Vardarian Lowe has been the left tackle the last five practices now.
00:17:02So I would be surprised if he's not at left.
00:17:05And then you saw Michael Jordan first up at left today.
00:17:08I would doubt David Andrews plays, so I'd go Nick Leverett.
00:17:11I doubt Mike Unwinu plays, so Leighton Robinson's probably next up.
00:17:15And then Calvin Anderson has been the right tackle.
00:17:17So that would be my left to right because Caden Wallace is with the second unit.
00:17:22Shook's core four is hurt, so he's not going to play.
00:17:25And then City Soul limited, David Andrews, Mike Unwinu, veterans.
00:17:30I would go Lowe, Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett, Leighton Robinson, Calvin Anderson.
00:17:35So potentially zero starters from what we think is their best five.
00:17:39You've had so many starters go out with injuries, right?
00:17:42Okora four, missing time.
00:17:45Obviously, Caden Wallace, something happened with him today.
00:17:48He comes back out there.
00:17:49But Calvin Anderson gets rolled up on the other day.
00:17:51He hurts his ankle.
00:17:52So I wonder if that's why City Soul wasn't out there today
00:17:55because we're getting ready.
00:17:56We're trying to get these guys ready for this preseason game on Thursday.
00:18:00We're going to put Michael Jordan out there and see what we have there.
00:18:02So I'm with you.
00:18:03I don't really see a reason to put out many of the starters.
00:18:06But then again, you want to see what Drake May can do.
00:18:08Right.
00:18:09If that's the starting five, what's the group with May?
00:18:12Or does that group just play 45 minutes total?
00:18:15I'm a little worried they're behind schedule on the offensive line.
00:18:18I mean, yeah, these are crucial padded practices.
00:18:21There's not a whole lot of days they get to do their job in the trenches.
00:18:24And this is a day where I will say Vidarian Lowe has not looked bad at left tackle.
00:18:29I've said it so many times.
00:18:30I think that's where he's most comfortable.
00:18:32That's not as much of a red flag, even though you don't expect him to start.
00:18:35City Soul, I'm not freaking out yet because he did miss one day during the spring.
00:18:39It kind of flew under the radar.
00:18:40But, you know, maybe it's something like that.
00:18:42I really don't know.
00:18:43But, yeah, it really stinks with Chukzo Korafor.
00:18:45Obviously, he got a lot of reps, and that is nice that he's got them under his belt.
00:18:48This is the third straight practice he's missed after he had to leave four practices ago
00:18:52because of the injury that he's now out with.
00:18:54So, it's extremely discouraging, especially for a run-first team.
00:18:57You need these repetitions with all the outside zone
00:19:00and also all the other types of concepts they're going to be using.
00:19:03You need this to really know how the other guys are going to respond
00:19:06and maximize what's going to be the real thrust of your offense.
00:19:10Thrust of your offense.
00:19:11Is that a phrase?
00:19:12It is now.
00:19:13Yeah, I'm worried.
00:19:14I'm worried.
00:19:15Chad, who's the thrust of the Patriots offense?
00:19:18Drake.
00:19:20Go ahead.
00:19:21I thought you said Chad.
00:19:22Chad Ryland?
00:19:23Chad.
00:19:24I understand.
00:19:25No, it collapsed so quickly, too, right?
00:19:27Yeah.
00:19:28I think it was either the second or third padded practice.
00:19:33The second padded practice before the day off.
00:19:35Yes.
00:19:36We were like, this is looking kind of good.
00:19:37Here we go.
00:19:38It was Korafor at left.
00:19:39It was Sidney So.
00:19:40David Andrews.
00:19:41Or maybe it was the left.
00:19:42No, it was Korafor at right.
00:19:43Oh, yeah, Wallace at left.
00:19:45Korafor at right.
00:19:46They were cooking with gas.
00:19:47They were running the football.
00:19:48They were pounding the rock.
00:19:49It was great.
00:19:50And then all of a sudden, we're a week and three days later,
00:19:53and nobody's healthy, and everyone's like,
00:19:55Korafor's walking around, and Caden Wallace
00:19:57is down on the second team.
00:19:58It looked really good at the time,
00:20:00and now it feels like we're just backwards a year ago.
00:20:02And I will say this.
00:20:03Calvin Anderson was asked about what
00:20:05it's like having all these rotations with the attrition
00:20:08and everything.
00:20:09And realistically, as annoying as it is, like, oh,
00:20:11the season hasn't even started yet,
00:20:12and we're losing all these offensive linemen,
00:20:14that's the game.
00:20:15Offensive linemen get hurt.
00:20:16It is not an easy position to play.
00:20:19And sometimes you do need to know that you at least
00:20:21have some capable backup.
00:20:22So I will say the slight silver lining is these are guys,
00:20:25a lot of them who are on the line,
00:20:26you do expect to still make the roster.
00:20:28At some point, they could play a role this season.
00:20:30So it is nice that they get out there
00:20:32and they get some reps with that top offense.
00:20:34But at the same time, obviously, you want as much chemistry
00:20:36as possible.
00:20:37It's just that hasn't been the reality.
00:20:40I got nothing else to add.
00:20:41Yeah, four person show.
00:20:42There we go.
00:20:43All right.
00:20:44So Brian, we'll start with you on wide receivers.
00:20:46Obviously, we're looking a lot at the rookies.
00:20:48Hayuk.
00:20:49No, we'll get to Hayuk.
00:20:50Again, we're going to do that at the end
00:20:51so we don't get the podcast curse.
00:20:53Obviously, we're going to be looking at the rookies a ton
00:20:55in this game.
00:20:56And the rookies have been steady-eddy, consistent,
00:20:58like same thing start to finish.
00:21:00I think Javon Baker had a very Javon Baker day today
00:21:03where he was involved in the Drakeman interception,
00:21:06also made a pretty spectacular catch in the end zone
00:21:08for a touchdown.
00:21:09I think that's who he is.
00:21:10He's going to be a boomer bust wide receiver.
00:21:12He's going to make some great plays.
00:21:14There's also going to be some drops.
00:21:15You hope the good outweighs the bad.
00:21:16The drops don't come in big moments.
00:21:18Taylor, you're about to jump out of your chair.
00:21:20Brian and I looked at each other at the same time like,
00:21:22did he?
00:21:23So the play that you're talking about,
00:21:24the one with Gonzalez, right?
00:21:25Which one?
00:21:26The play against Gonzalez.
00:21:27Yeah.
00:21:28So we actually talked to Evan after practice.
00:21:30I don't think it was a touchdown.
00:21:31It looked like Javon Baker didn't get his feet down.
00:21:34I thought he got his hip down.
00:21:36I thought so, too.
00:21:37That was the conversation on media hill anyway that he did.
00:21:39He basically fell on his hip in the end zone.
00:21:41But we couldn't get a good view of him.
00:21:43That was the one the other day in the back of the end zone.
00:21:46I thought he was out of bounds.
00:21:49I thought he was out of bounds.
00:21:51I'm also a hater.
00:21:54Evan had the best view from up top.
00:21:56So we'll defer to Lazaro.
00:21:58We always have to defer to Lazaro.
00:21:59Wasn't your buddy right in the bleachers?
00:22:01My buddy was over there and said it was a catch.
00:22:03I thought he said it was out of bounds.
00:22:04We're all over the place now with Javon.
00:22:06Maybe there's a different one.
00:22:07I will say he had the two drops in the final 11 on 11.
00:22:10And that's something where you saw at college a lot, drop issues.
00:22:13We've kind of seen that throughout the summer, too.
00:22:16That's what my thing is.
00:22:17With Javon Baker, I would say this was probably his worst day of training camp.
00:22:21And I've been high on Javon Baker.
00:22:23And I've been high on Jacoby Bursette.
00:22:25Two guys.
00:22:26I have them both stocked down today just because I hold them to that standard.
00:22:29I know Javon Baker can go out there and make these crazy plays near the sideline.
00:22:32He can catch anything that comes his way.
00:22:34The consistency needs to improve.
00:22:36There were other days where he was good enough that I was like,
00:22:39okay, he dropped one pass.
00:22:40He couldn't get his feet in on this crazy difficult play.
00:22:43That's fine.
00:22:44But now it's becoming a pattern where it feels like there's at least one missed
00:22:47opportunity every practice.
00:22:48And on a day where you don't have the good to outweigh the bad,
00:22:51I just have to say, I wasn't impressed with what I saw from him today.
00:22:55Just because, once again, this is a player who has a legitimate ceiling
00:22:59to be like a low-end wide receiver one.
00:23:01Which isn't a scoff.
00:23:02He was a fourth-round pick.
00:23:03But we see he was a fourth-round pick because he's not making all the plays
00:23:06that are available.
00:23:07I think that's what he's going to be.
00:23:08I think that's who he is.
00:23:09I think that's his career is.
00:23:10Again, he does some really special.
00:23:12He does some.
00:23:13No, no, no.
00:23:14And that's not a bad thing, though.
00:23:15There's a lot of wide receivers in the league like this.
00:23:17Like.
00:23:18Not everyone's going to be Randy Moss.
00:23:19Right.
00:23:20Exactly.
00:23:21Like, he's going to make some spectacular plays.
00:23:22There's also going to be some drops.
00:23:24Ideally, he's good enough that the good outweighs the bad.
00:23:27And you just hope the drops don't come in big moments.
00:23:29And I think there's times where technically.
00:23:30Like, there's a few times where he'll jump in the air for a pass.
00:23:33And it's just like, dude, extend.
00:23:34You don't have to put yourself in the air in a position where a defender
00:23:37can push you or influence you and make it harder for you to keep your feet in.
00:23:40Like, those are the things where when I first saw him, I remember the hype
00:23:43and everyone's like, oh, he's crazy good.
00:23:44And I'm seeing it.
00:23:45And I'm like, well, there's a lot of times where he could be better.
00:23:48And I think it's going to take like a year or two, maybe even three,
00:23:51before those more fundamental things are a part of his game.
00:23:53And he doesn't have to think about them.
00:23:55But until then, you know, once again, we have to acknowledge it.
00:23:57As talented as he is, the consistency needs to improve.
00:23:59All right.
00:24:00Let's get some of the veteran wide receivers.
00:24:02Taekwon Thornton was off to the side for most of the team drills today.
00:24:06Gerard Mayo said before practice, all the players who are healthy enough
00:24:09to play in a game will play in the game.
00:24:10Who knows what that means for Taekwon Thornton, but boy,
00:24:13it's tough if he misses this game.
00:24:14He has to play.
00:24:15I mean, he has to play.
00:24:16He is now, he has gone from second round pick.
00:24:19I'm just like, can he?
00:24:21I'm like, can he?
00:24:22I'm not even against him.
00:24:23Deep sigh.
00:24:24I mean, he goes from, what, the 52nd pick or whatever it was two years ago.
00:24:28A guy who is like, he came out, he was good in his first spring,
00:24:32promising camp, gets hurt.
00:24:34And then last year, collarbone, gets hurt, doesn't play the preseason.
00:24:36This year, I buy stock again.
00:24:38I'm like, let's just see what happens here.
00:24:40And then it's literally like what we saw in the stock market yesterday
00:24:43where it just comes crashing down again.
00:24:45I don't know.
00:24:46It's that bad.
00:24:47But again, he comes out after practice, tells us it's a soft tissue injury
00:24:50that he's dealing with and managing once again.
00:24:52It's like he is now at the bottom of that wide receiver room.
00:24:55It's now Polk and Baker and Osborne.
00:24:58And we're not going to do Kendrick Bourne because we don't know where he's
00:25:00going to be, but there's guys where he's competing with Juju
00:25:03and with Jalen Rager.
00:25:04If he doesn't play in the preseason, how do you get him on the roster?
00:25:07Well, let me add this too.
00:25:08Sorry, Taylor.
00:25:09And then we can tie it all together.
00:25:10There's one more name on that list I thought had a really good day today
00:25:12has actually started to stack days a little bit, and that's Keishon Booty.
00:25:15I don't know if that's where you were going to go.
00:25:17No, I like that.
00:25:18This is when we were all so cautiously talking about Taekwondo
00:25:22being like he's making progress and blah, blah, blah.
00:25:24But this is the exact situation we all saw.
00:25:26Something happens, he's out, and somebody comes out and outperforms him.
00:25:30And Keishon Booty, to me, has run with this opportunity.
00:25:32And he's somebody who probably will play Thursday night
00:25:34and will have a chance to make some plays.
00:25:36I totally agree.
00:25:37So my whole issue with Taekwon Thornton was that, one, it's frustrating
00:25:41because they clearly want him to be the starting X receiver.
00:25:44One, schematically, I don't really know if that's a very good idea
00:25:48because I don't think he has a skill set for it.
00:25:50But beyond that, I'd like to see Keishon, I'd like to see Javon Baker
00:25:53get more of those opportunities because Jalen Rager feels like a one-trick pony.
00:25:57I think we know what he is.
00:25:58He can win vertically, he might catch a slant or two,
00:26:01but he's not somebody who's going to route anybody up.
00:26:03He's not someone whose hands you can rely on consistently enough.
00:26:05Well, he is your X, and Taekwon said it himself today.
00:26:08He's done nothing in the league.
00:26:09Now, Booty is someone I completely agree.
00:26:11He's kind of like Javon, where there have been some missed opportunities,
00:26:14some drops.
00:26:15I'm seeing way more high-difficulty catches and plays from him
00:26:19than I'm seeing from really anybody outside of like KJ Osborne
00:26:22and Javon Baker when he's on point.
00:26:24So I like that.
00:26:25I would just love to see Keishon get more opportunities to be the starting X,
00:26:29not even Jalen Rager.
00:26:30I just don't understand the point of having Jalen as one of the top two guys.
00:26:34Early on, he's a veteran, sure.
00:26:36But now, let the young guys get more opportunities
00:26:38because I don't know what you think the endgame is of putting Rager out there
00:26:42or relying on Taekwon Thornton when he's proving once again
00:26:45that he cannot be relied on.
00:26:46I think the hope with Rager is they want to keep him on the roster
00:26:49for special teams, but as Gerard Mayo said,
00:26:51they're not going to have special team-specific players.
00:26:53They want to be able to justify it by knowing even if it's not the starting X,
00:26:56he can give them something.
00:26:57But Brian, we talked a lot on Patriots Beat about consistency being
00:27:01Keishon Rager's biggest issue.
00:27:03Keishon Booty.
00:27:04A lot of names.
00:27:05Fuse them, please.
00:27:06Keishon Booty's biggest issue.
00:27:08And now here we go.
00:27:10Like he's starting to stack days and maybe he's making a push.
00:27:13It wasn't even Jalen you messed up because we have three Jalens.
00:27:15Yeah, there's three Jalens.
00:27:16That's harder typing than speaking.
00:27:18Three Jalens that all spell the first name differently.
00:27:20But yeah, he's been running.
00:27:23He's got a good amount of run.
00:27:24Keishon Booty.
00:27:25And I agree with Taylor.
00:27:26His hands have been very impressive I thought the last few practices.
00:27:29He had the fade from Drake May today.
00:27:31There was another one.
00:27:32I forget the exact situation, but it was a nice tight contested window,
00:27:36like snagged it down.
00:27:37So his hands have been impressive.
00:27:38And yeah, you are maybe not as many of the big flash plays,
00:27:41but a little more consistency.
00:27:42And that might help his case moving forward.
00:27:45All right.
00:27:46So before we move on, I want to get some quick things on the defense.
00:27:48We've got kickers today.
00:27:49And then Brandon and I, Mike's got something to tell you guys.
00:27:51We have.
00:27:52Where is it?
00:27:54I saw you in a Spongebob thing open on your phone.
00:27:57We have a little bit of Iuke news with Josina Anderson.
00:28:00All right.
00:28:01So let's do the read.
00:28:02Stay tuned.
00:28:03We'll get into Brandon and Iuke.
00:28:04All right.
00:28:05I need to pull this up right now.
00:28:06So we'll stall a bit.
00:28:07Someone in the chat said Mike and Winu is the thrust of our offense.
00:28:11Honestly.
00:28:12That's a good one.
00:28:13Probably.
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00:29:44All right, we'll get into that Brien Ayuk update in a little bit.
00:29:46Basically, the update is the Patriots are still in.
00:29:48I want to just fold that in the whole conversation before we go there
00:29:51because once we get to that, we're not getting back to the game Thursday night.
00:29:53A few more things I want to hit on.
00:29:55Big thing on the defense for me, player to watch, Christian Gonzalez.
00:29:59He's been better the last couple days.
00:30:02He's definitely making strides.
00:30:03You're seeing more of that number one corner product out of him.
00:30:09But a lot of people or some people have said,
00:30:12I'm not worried about the practices, he's a gamer.
00:30:14He's going to show up when the lights are brightest.
00:30:15Obviously, the preseason is not when the lights are brightest, but it's a game.
00:30:19Gamer's game.
00:30:20Let's see it.
00:30:21Not even close.
00:30:23I had to.
00:30:25I'm sorry.
00:30:26No, you didn't.
00:30:27You really didn't.
00:30:28I want to see Christian Gonzalez bounce back in this game.
00:30:30He'll be a player I'm definitely looking closely at.
00:30:32Brien.
00:30:33Yeah, he gave up a few more catches today.
00:30:35I'm still not worried about him.
00:30:36I'm kind of with you.
00:30:37I think he is more of a game player.
00:30:39And Gerard Mayo kind of even said something in one of his press conferences
00:30:42the other day.
00:30:43He's like, sometimes I even have to get on him to practice a little harder
00:30:47or something along those lines.
00:30:49That's not an exact quote.
00:30:50But, yeah, I think a lot of practice is just kind of, like, mental for him.
00:30:54And then he's going to, like, put that in his brain almost
00:30:57and then go out there and execute it on the game field on Thursday
00:31:00or Sunday or whatever.
00:31:01So, yeah, I'd like to see.
00:31:03I don't know how much run he'll get because he is, like, their top guy.
00:31:06But, yeah, a big game from him Thursday night if he plays
00:31:09would be kind of encouraging.
00:31:11I'll stick with the secondary.
00:31:12I'll go with Jalen Hawkins, a guy where it's kind of hard to notice him
00:31:15at times on the field.
00:31:16You see him around the ball pretty consistently.
00:31:18But with safeties, it's not always easy to understand where exactly
00:31:21they were seeing or how they reacted.
00:31:23And with Jalen Hawkins being so hyped up by coaches and teammates,
00:31:26I'm excited to see what he can do out there,
00:31:29how they plan on using his versatility.
00:31:31They keep mentioning his versatility even though we mostly see him
00:31:33on the back end, although he does mix in in different spots.
00:31:36So, yeah, he's going to have a big role in this defense.
00:31:38Gerard Mayo told us.
00:31:39So I want to see what he looks like in game action.
00:31:41Yeah, my guy's in the secondary as well,
00:31:42but I'll quickly throw O'Shea Zemenes in there too.
00:31:45I'm excited to see him because, you know, with the trickle-down effect
00:31:48with Judon and everything in that room,
00:31:50I'll be curious to see how he can rush the passer on Thursday.
00:31:52But I'm sticking with the secondary too, and it's Alex Austin
00:31:54because, you know, Gonzalez and the other Joneses are sort of the three
00:31:58that they're going to, you know, rotate in those three corner packages.
00:32:03But Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden have kind of been up and down
00:32:05throughout camp in that sort of backup corner role.
00:32:09So I'm curious to see if he can kind of separate himself
00:32:11because he was someone we talked about all summer, really,
00:32:13before camp started as someone who could be on the opposite corner
00:32:17with Christian Gonzalez on the other side,
00:32:19and then you can kind of use Jon Jones in the slot.
00:32:21It's sort of gone away from that lately.
00:32:23Jonathan Jones is heard out here as well.
00:32:25So I kind of want to see how the back end of that corner room shakes out
00:32:28with Bolden and then obviously Austin as well.
00:32:30I'll just add up front, since we didn't really touch on that,
00:32:32with Judon's situation uncertain, far more, I don't want to say
00:32:35situation uncertain, but, like, you're not going to have him.
00:32:37We've seen them rotate a bunch of different guys in.
00:32:39I thought Sam Roberts popped today. He had a good practice.
00:32:42We've seen Tristan Hill make some plays.
00:32:45Mike Purcell, like, who's good?
00:32:47Not all of those guys are going to factor in, replacing.
00:32:50Far more, and we'll see what happens with Judon.
00:32:52But somebody's going to have to emerge from that group,
00:32:54and especially up front, like, game situations is how you do that, right?
00:32:58So I think just the front as a whole, who emerges is maybe a playmaker.
00:33:03Yeah, I mean, Zemenez, you mentioned.
00:33:05Keon White has still been really active and disruptive up front.
00:33:08Another guy who we all know, Anthony Jennings, like,
00:33:11yesterday watching him in one-on-one seemed to have a little more juice
00:33:14as a pass rusher, and then today in team drills, I think he had two sacks.
00:33:19Taylor, you got all excited.
00:33:21I was debating if it was two pressures or two sacks.
00:33:23Definitely one sack, but I think it was two sacks.
00:33:26So that's someone who has just carved out a role as an edge run defender,
00:33:30but if he can start getting some juice as a pass rusher,
00:33:33that would be a big boost to his game and this defense.
00:33:35I'll let you go on your soapbox.
00:33:37I know you love Jennings, but I'll say he's going to probably get a ton of run
00:33:40because Uche missed practice again today,
00:33:42and Matthew Judon is probably not going to play.
00:33:44Yeah, that's a big one.
00:33:46Joshua Uche is missing, like, multiple practices
00:33:48in terms of not participating in team drills,
00:33:50which is very discouraging for a guy who, you know,
00:33:53was going to be such a better fit in this Demarcus Covington defense,
00:33:56and a big part of it, I think, is going to be line games and things like that,
00:33:59and you're losing time kind of like the offensive line
00:34:01where you need chemistry on those things, and he's losing that.
00:34:03But in terms of people to step up,
00:34:05I'm going to stay on my Jeremiah Farms soapbox.
00:34:08I can't believe that. That's my bad for forgetting.
00:34:10No, it's okay. It's okay, and honestly, he has fallen behind.
00:34:13Like Mike Purcell, he's been playing over Jeremiah Farms,
00:34:16which I personally don't love, but I do think that Farms
00:34:19is one of the few guys in that defensive interior
00:34:21who can bring both pressure and pass rush.
00:34:23He's no Christian Barmore.
00:34:25I don't even know if he's necessarily Daniel Iquale,
00:34:27but he is a little bit bigger, and I do really like what he showed
00:34:30late last season, so I'm hoping he can have another strong preseason
00:34:33like he did last year where he earned a lot more of the coach's respect
00:34:36and can just establish himself as somebody who can maybe play,
00:34:39not necessarily every down, but be that versatile type of player
00:34:43who's more well-rounded than what they would have in a Purcell or a Gottschall.
00:34:46And just Tristan Hill, too, had a stripped sack, forced fumble,
00:34:51pressure, weird thing today, but he spent some time
00:34:54in the medical tent yesterday, so good to see him out there.
00:34:56He's been out there a lot and disruptive again.
00:34:58I'll actually highlight that play, because we talk a lot in training camp,
00:35:01like you don't know what a sack is, because you can't hit the quarterback,
00:35:03and is it a sack, is it a pressure?
00:35:05I said screw it, I'm just going to swat the ball away.
00:35:07It was a clean stripped sack of Bailey Zappi.
00:35:09Zappi had the ball back, Hill just knocked it out of his hand
00:35:12as he would in a game, textbook play.
00:35:14And you and I were looking like, is that allowed? Can he do that?
00:35:16Hey, didn't hit the quarterback, just hit the ball.
00:35:18No, you can absolutely, I remember being in a camp,
00:35:20this was before I covered the team when I was growing up,
00:35:22Rob Ninkovich's first year here had like, I think it was Hoyer
00:35:25was the backup at the time, had like that play where it was a clean stripped sack.
00:35:28It was in red zone, not red zone, like backed up, right?
00:35:32So we fell on the ball for the touchdown.
00:35:34It was like, who's this guy?
00:35:35That was a heads up play, Bill's going to like that,
00:35:37and wouldn't you know it.
00:35:39Sure did.
00:35:40Maybe, you know, Tristan Hill, maybe something similar there,
00:35:43something to watch for.
00:35:44Special teams.
00:35:45Five kicks today for Chad Ryland, four for Joey Sly.
00:35:48Was it two days ago that Sly got the one in the live run on,
00:35:53hit from 57 yards, most impressive kick at camp.
00:35:56Ryland's extra kick today was a run on attempt from 53, pushed it left.
00:36:01And the four field goals at the end of camp, Joey Sly missed from 49.
00:36:05So they both missed.
00:36:06I do think Ryland is still one kick ahead of Sly in terms of makes, right?
00:36:10They have the same number now.
00:36:11Two kicks ahead.
00:36:12Two kicks ahead.
00:36:13I think it's 24 of 27 for Ryland and 22 of 27 for Sly.
00:36:18I'll pull that up.
00:36:19Pull that up.
00:36:20But Sly still has that, the 57 yarder,
00:36:24which feels like it holds a little more weight.
00:36:27This thing feels neck and neck.
00:36:29And we've said this is going to be decided in the games.
00:36:31Hopefully they get – we've made this joke how many times
00:36:33that they got three kicks in the entire preseason last year.
00:36:36Hopefully they get a chance to kick in this game
00:36:38and the game's coming ahead.
00:36:39But I don't know.
00:36:41Feels neck and neck.
00:36:42Feels awfully close.
00:36:43One other note, Brian, while you pull that up,
00:36:44Tucker Addington was the long snapper today, not Joe Cardona.
00:36:47A couple low snaps.
00:36:48Good job by Bryce Becker.
00:36:49It was awesome today.
00:36:50Another really good day for him.
00:36:52Killed in the punch drills.
00:36:53And he recovered two –
00:36:54Coverage team too.
00:36:55Recovered two low snaps that both of the kicks
00:36:58on the bad snaps from Addington were good.
00:37:00But what's the splits for the summer?
00:37:02Yeah, Ryland 24 of 27.
00:37:04Sly 22 of 27.
00:37:06Yeah, but Sly's been better from distance.
00:37:08It feels neck and neck to me.
00:37:10I don't – I mean, he had the 57, but like his miss today was from 49.
00:37:14I think outside of the 57, he's had more iffy issues from distance I'd say.
00:37:19But the 57 was the most impressive kick of camp I'd say.
00:37:22But maybe the most encouraging thing was like all the makes
00:37:25were right down the middle.
00:37:26For both of them, yeah.
00:37:27For both of them where we've had a lot where, you know,
00:37:29you're on the left upright, I'm on the right upright,
00:37:31and we're leaning and looking and we're like, it's good.
00:37:33Like today was pretty clear right down the middle
00:37:35except they both pushed one wide left.
00:37:37But, yeah, this is going to be decided in the game.
00:37:39It's too close out there.
00:37:40I'll leave the special teams analysis to the Patriots beat guy.
00:37:44He kind of tries to stay away from that stuff.
00:37:46But I'll ask the question, in this neck-and-neck battle,
00:37:49does Chad Ryland's – the fact that he was a fourth-round pick last year,
00:37:53still in a rookie deal, does that factor in at all?
00:37:56Like are they going to kind of try and make him win the job?
00:37:59Or do you think it doesn't matter because it's sort of Belichick?
00:38:01Right.
00:38:02So that last thing you said, it does a little bit,
00:38:04but not as much as it normally would because it's a new regime.
00:38:07Yeah, that's what I would say.
00:38:08Maybe his age, if anything.
00:38:09Right, right, right.
00:38:10Because a lot of – so many of these young kickers,
00:38:12they struggle the first year, even sometimes the second year,
00:38:16and then it just – something happens.
00:38:17It just flips and it works for them.
00:38:19So maybe they're more inclined to go through with Chad Ryland right now
00:38:24and even if there's still some struggles, like that could benefit him.
00:38:28But, yeah, I don't know about the new regime and everything.
00:38:30But you go back to – so I tweeted this today.
00:38:32I talked about it before.
00:38:33I talked about it before.
00:38:34Jacoby Brissette, one-minute drill, live, fourth and long,
00:38:37converts it to K.J. Osborne.
00:38:38All right, you're moving the ball, kind of stalls out.
00:38:40Chad Ryland misses the 53-yarder and everybody's like, oh, great.
00:38:43So it's like what it was last season.
00:38:46Those kind of money kicks are the ones you want to hit
00:38:48because that's a situation that will absolutely come up in a game at some point
00:38:52and that can be the difference.
00:38:53So I think it's not just the 57-yarder from Joey Sly.
00:38:57It's that he was in that live situation
00:38:59and that Ryland has to miss in the live situation I think holds some weight.
00:39:02And, again, Bryce Beringer is really good today.
00:39:03I think that pretty much wraps it up on special teams.
00:39:06The only thing – and we were just talking about this before we came up
00:39:08with the kickoffs and the kick returns.
00:39:11We haven't seen any of Isaiah Bolden doing the returns.
00:39:15And we all know he was historically good at Jacksonville State in college.
00:39:20But we haven't seen him return.
00:39:21And he said he hoped he got out there Thursday night, which I don't know.
00:39:25It just doesn't sound like something you would say
00:39:28if you knew he weren't going to return, right?
00:39:31I don't know if they're hiding him on the practice fields.
00:39:34Again, he was electric at Jacksonville State.
00:39:36He was the returner in their two preseason games last year before he got hurt.
00:39:40But we haven't seen much of him at all here.
00:39:42It's been Jalen Rager, Antonio Gibson, more of those guys.
00:39:45So, I don't know, just something to watch there
00:39:47now that we'll actually get to see a live return.
00:39:49If they're going to hide him, though,
00:39:50wouldn't they just wait until the regular season?
00:39:52Exactly.
00:39:53Again, it was just something weird for someone who hasn't returned kicks
00:39:57to say, oh, I hope I suddenly get out there Thursday night.
00:40:00I don't know, just something to watch.
00:40:01We saw him joking around with Troy Brown a couple days ago
00:40:03while they were doing kick returns, but he wasn't part of it.
00:40:05It seemed like he was like, ah, come on, give me a return.
00:40:08I think the only time he's done it was, you know,
00:40:10Marcus Jones has been limited, so he got like one or two the other day.
00:40:14But, yeah, it's been three pairs, and he hasn't been in any of the pairs.
00:40:18All right, Taylor, we'll start here before we get to IU Class 1.
00:40:21One player we didn't talk about today you're excited to watch on Thursday night.
00:40:25Damn, put me on the spot.
00:40:27Oh, boy.
00:40:28K.J. Osborne.
00:40:29Okay.
00:40:30He's on a hot streak, like you mentioned.
00:40:31The fourth and long catch that he had today just continued a string
00:40:34where every day he has one catch at least where you're like, oh, yeah.
00:40:37No, K.J. Osborne is better than I gave him credit for,
00:40:39so I'll be looking for him.
00:40:40Mike.
00:40:41Taheem Bell.
00:40:42He comes out here in pads all of a sudden.
00:40:43Looks like he's kind of has some momentum as far as playing,
00:40:46coming away from that injury.
00:40:48Made a nice catch from Drake May today.
00:40:49I think with Austin Hooper and Hunter Henry's age and, you know,
00:40:52situation on this team, they want to rely on those guys
00:40:55once the regular season comes around.
00:40:56And Mitchell Wilcox's hands.
00:40:59I was going to say Bell, but I brought a backup prepared.
00:41:02Del Pettis.
00:41:03Good one.
00:41:04UDFA safety.
00:41:05Another pass breakup today.
00:41:07That's three straight days.
00:41:08He's been flying around.
00:41:09He's very physical, so he's going to love being out there in game action.
00:41:12But three straight days where he's had a noticeable play.
00:41:15See if he can, you know, continue that into Thursday.
00:41:17All right.
00:41:18Somebody pull up, because we'll do IUCN next.
00:41:19Somebody just pull up that update while I give mine.
00:41:20Terrell Jennings.
00:41:21Everybody knows how high I am on here.
00:41:22I knew it.
00:41:23The Del Pettis of offense.
00:41:27Del Pettis is the Terrell Jennings of defense,
00:41:29because Terrell Jennings bopped first.
00:41:30I like Smash Mountain football.
00:41:32They're going to run the ball a ton.
00:41:34It's the preseason.
00:41:35He's going to be out there cracking heads.
00:41:37Some people are going to be annoyed, because I think they're going to run
00:41:39the ball a lot with Joe Milton on the field.
00:41:41And I'd love to see Joe Milton, too, but I think that fourth quarter is going
00:41:44to be all about Terrell Jennings.
00:41:46So that could be fun to watch.
00:41:47All right.
00:41:48Are we good with ads, by the way, Amit?
00:41:49We're good?
00:41:50We're good?
00:41:51All right.
00:41:52Cool.
00:41:53Latest Brent and IUCN update, Mike, you have that from Jocena Anderson.
00:41:55Tweets within the last half hour.
00:41:57She says, now I'm told Patriots aren't giving up on 49ers wide receiver
00:42:01Brent and IUCN stakes per source.
00:42:03The question is, can New England stretch the offer they're prepared to give?
00:42:06If so, by how much, and how much creates sway?
00:42:09So basically sounds like it's coming down to the contract situation,
00:42:12I think, and IUCN is going to want.
00:42:14That's unclear.
00:42:15Is that the contract offer or the offer to the Niners?
00:42:17Right.
00:42:18I think it has to be the contract.
00:42:19I would think so, too.
00:42:20Because last night we heard the framework was pretty much in place.
00:42:23Right, right, right.
00:42:24So look, this is ultimately going to come down to where Brent and IUCN wants to go.
00:42:28This reminds me a ton.
00:42:30We see this a lot in the NBA, where a player basically doesn't just decide,
00:42:34I want to be traded, but I want to go to X team.
00:42:36The team trading them loses a ton of leverage,
00:42:38and the only leverage they really have is the contract.
00:42:41And what I think you've seen the last few days is the Niners have the trades
00:42:47in place with the Patriots and Browns.
00:42:49Brent and IUCN wants to be a stealer.
00:42:51He said he was on the Ryan Clark podcast a couple weeks ago,
00:42:54and they said, what team are you playing for in 2024?
00:42:56He said San Francisco.
00:42:59If not for San Francisco, Washington or Pittsburgh.
00:43:01He didn't mention the Patriots.
00:43:02He didn't mention the Browns.
00:43:03He didn't mention any of these other teams.
00:43:04I know some people have mentioned the Lions sneaking in.
00:43:07The Niners aren't going to do that outright.
00:43:09Don't Titans me, Lions.
00:43:11We'll get to the Titans.
00:43:12The Titans love broken players.
00:43:14They'll trade for Devo Samuel and free up the money for the Niners
00:43:17to pay Brent and IUCN.
00:43:20Yeah.
00:43:22Brent and IUCN wants to be a stealer.
00:43:24The Steelers aren't giving the Niners enough.
00:43:26They kind of know the Niners are hamstrung if Brent and IUCN only sign
00:43:29with the Steelers, and I think the Niners are putting some of this out there
00:43:32to try to get the Steelers to up their offer.
00:43:34Everybody goes home happy.
00:43:37I'll say this on upping the offer.
00:43:39Money's money.
00:43:40I get that.
00:43:42You do need to have a price where you're willing to walk away.
00:43:44You can't give guys blank checks.
00:43:46They did that with Calvin Ridley.
00:43:47It was good discipline.
00:43:49Taylor disagrees.
00:43:50Brent and IUCN is not the last great receiver who will become available.
00:43:55Maybe he is for this season, but you have a four-year building period
00:43:59with Drake May.
00:44:01If they get Brent and IUCN, and if the trade costs,
00:44:03I said this in our group chat last night, if you only give up one top 50 pick,
00:44:07I'll dance in the street.
00:44:08That's a great trade.
00:44:10Do we get a video of that?
00:44:11No, absolutely not.
00:44:13But if they can't get him, this cycle of wide receivers, him, T. Higgins,
00:44:21Amari Cooper was kind of floated out there, right?
00:44:23This cycle's over.
00:44:24I'm okay if they miss in this cycle.
00:44:25I've talked about threading the needle on when to add the guy.
00:44:28Next cycle's when you add.
00:44:29T.K. Metcalf, C.D. Lamb, T. Higgins again, Terry McLaurin, right?
00:44:34This isn't the last opportunity they'll have to make this move.
00:44:37I'd like to see them make it now.
00:44:38They don't have to make it now.
00:44:39They shouldn't overextend to make it now.
00:44:41I also just don't think it's going to happen right now from everything we're hearing.
00:44:44But that mentality kind of reminds me of what we talked about with a quarterback,
00:44:47and obviously it's not the same thing because there are elite receivers
00:44:50that are in the draft every single year.
00:44:52They're a little more available.
00:44:53Not just in the draft, in for agency, for trade.
00:44:54Right, but in for agency, like with quarterbacks.
00:44:56You don't really want to bank on a great quarterback hitting the market
00:44:58because that rarely happens.
00:44:59And when it does, there's usually a reason.
00:45:01With these great receivers, if they're going to hit the market like T. Higgins,
00:45:04obviously, like that whole fiasco, we were talking about it.
00:45:07Higgins is a guy where I have some hard no's,
00:45:09where I'm like he has an injury history.
00:45:11He's not super old or anything.
00:45:12But given the nature of his position, how he plays, it's discouraging.
00:45:15Brandon Aiyuk is like seedy lamb for me.
00:45:17They're in the same category where it's like this is a top-10 receiver,
00:45:20no significant injury history.
00:45:21They're young.
00:45:22They're versatile.
00:45:23Like you can do whatever you want with them,
00:45:25and they can legitimately take so much pressure off your entire offense.
00:45:29So for me, there's not really a price other than like matching
00:45:32Justin Jefferson's contract.
00:45:33That's where I think it's kind of pushing it.
00:45:35But if it's just south, these contracts go up every year.
00:45:38As soon as Brandon Aiyuk gets paid, maybe not as soon,
00:45:41but seedy lamb is going to surpass whatever Brandon Aiyuk probably makes.
00:45:45And then DK, Metcalf, and then all these other guys.
00:45:47And not to mention the Patriots are now in a position
00:45:50where they can truly draft and develop.
00:45:52They've done all their extensions.
00:45:53The only players that aren't going to be on,
00:45:55or at least set to be for agents in 2025,
00:45:57are guys you don't really think they're going to be building around.
00:46:00And that's where you probably do go with them.
00:46:01I think Jonathan Jones is the only guy that's like a notable.
00:46:03And with his injury history, you're probably like expecting
00:46:05it might just be retirement.
00:46:07So the way I see it, if you're going to back up the brinks
00:46:10and throw money at somebody and spend a lot of money,
00:46:12wide receiver is the second most important position in football.
00:46:15You've got your quarterback on a rookie deal.
00:46:17You've taken care of your veteran defenders.
00:46:19Now is when you take a chunk of that cap space,
00:46:21which you have plenty of, and you put it towards Brandon Aiyuk.
00:46:24I just think, I guess my point isn't so much they shouldn't do it.
00:46:28And like you said, these contracts go up.
00:46:31There's no such thing as a bad contract for a good player.
00:46:34When's the last time a guy signed one of these big money contracts
00:46:37and was decent, but the reaction was,
00:46:39yeah, but did they need to pay him that much?
00:46:41Maybe Debo, honestly, and that's because he got hurt.
00:46:43Well, but Debo's not good. That's my point.
00:46:46He's good, but he's injury prone.
00:46:48Right. He's not living up to the contract.
00:46:51You either live up to the contract, you don't.
00:46:53You're not good, but not good enough for the contract.
00:46:55So I'm not worried about that.
00:46:56I guess my point is, I'm not hitting the panic button
00:46:59if they miss out on Brandon Aiyuk.
00:47:01Unfortunate, but again, DK Metcalf, CD Lamb, Terry McLaurin.
00:47:07If you can make the same trade and give that guy essentially the same contract
00:47:12and you lose out on six months or even if you lose out on one full season,
00:47:16most of which, again, we think will be started by Jacoby Brissett.
00:47:19Okay, you still got the guy eventually and you got him for Drake.
00:47:22And I've been on Aiyuk for, and it's not just me.
00:47:25I didn't start the Aiyuk thing, but I've been one of the people,
00:47:29a lot of the people saying, go get Aiyuk.
00:47:31I've been several of the people.
00:47:32Yeah, but go get a guy, right?
00:47:34And you want that guy for Drake.
00:47:35You want him from your young quarterback to develop with him,
00:47:38have a security blanket, be that true number one in the offense.
00:47:41But I'm with you as far as not hitting the panic button
00:47:43because they've shown aggressiveness already.
00:47:45They went for Calvin Ridley.
00:47:46They're going for Brandon Aiyuk.
00:47:48I think there was talks where they tried to trade back into the first round.
00:47:51Yeah, exactly.
00:47:52So they've been aggressive.
00:47:53The front office has been aggressive for that number one wide receiver.
00:47:56I would love Aiyuk.
00:47:57I think he's great.
00:47:58I think he adds that element to the offense.
00:48:00I would overextend.
00:48:01I would overpay for him because you mentioned, too, Taylor,
00:48:03the contracts move up.
00:48:05Again, as soon as he signs, the next one signs.
00:48:07The next one signs.
00:48:08It's like quarterbacks where you sign them and it keeps –
00:48:10that's why Matthew Judon is so upset.
00:48:11At one point, Matthew Judon, I'm pretty sure,
00:48:13was one of the top three or four highest-paid head rushers in the league,
00:48:15and now he falls down just because that's where the market goes.
00:48:18So I like the aggressiveness.
00:48:19I would love Aiyuk.
00:48:20But you're right.
00:48:22The next one will come shortly.
00:48:23So let me be clear.
00:48:24I'd overextend on the contract a little bit, not a ton.
00:48:26I'm not overextending on the trade.
00:48:27I want to get to that in a second.
00:48:28But, Brian, your thoughts.
00:48:30Ever since the draft, I've kind of just been like,
00:48:32let's roll with this group just for the year and then hit next cycle.
00:48:36Now, Aiyuk was the one guy where I was like, okay, if he still shakes out,
00:48:40you should get him.
00:48:41If you can get him, you get him.
00:48:43Him and CeeDee Lamb are on another level to me with like Terry McLaurin,
00:48:48DK Metcalf.
00:48:50Aiyuk is the guy where if he's available, you go out and get him now.
00:48:53But at the end of the day, I still think he's either staying in San Francisco
00:48:57or he's a Pittsburgh Steeler probably more likely.
00:48:59So they might not even know.
00:49:01Can I add something real quick?
00:49:02Yeah.
00:49:03As far as, too, like Aiyuk is clearly available.
00:49:05Will CeeDee become available?
00:49:07Will DK become available?
00:49:08I don't even know.
00:49:09That's my thing.
00:49:10It's tough to say that any individual one will.
00:49:13The way the league runs, the odds that none of them become available.
00:49:17And I look at CeeDee Lamb clearly getting a little disenchanted
00:49:21with the Cowboys, the way that whole saga has gone.
00:49:23And I don't think Jerry Jones is going to pay him and Dak Prescott.
00:49:27And Jerry Jones is going to not pay Dak Prescott.
00:49:29When it comes to DK Metcalf, the quarterback situation is uncertain there.
00:49:33It's a new coaching staff, new front office.
00:49:36We think it's going to be a new offensive philosophy.
00:49:38Does he want to get out and go to a system where he'll succeed,
00:49:41which I think you talk about a matchup of skill sets, him and Drake May.
00:49:45That's a real, right?
00:49:47Exactly.
00:49:48Taylor gets the chills.
00:49:49That's a really good pairing.
00:49:50I think if Drake May shows you a little something this year,
00:49:52you could really sell DK Metcalf on this.
00:49:54And look, maybe this is a little bit of a glass half full,
00:49:57rose-colored glasses take.
00:49:59I know people keep saying the Patriots keep getting used as leverage.
00:50:02And that's all this is.
00:50:03That's all their interest is, is they're getting used as leverage.
00:50:05I don't think they're allowing themselves to do that.
00:50:07I think maybe that's happening.
00:50:09It's not intentional on their part to play favor to agents or whatever.
00:50:13Eventually, the team's looking for these receivers.
00:50:17The list is getting shorter and shorter.
00:50:19Eventually, there's not going to be that many teams
00:50:21that want a wide receiver.
00:50:22And by process of elimination,
00:50:24you would think the Patriots have to land one of these guys.
00:50:26Every team that loses one just needs a new one, right?
00:50:29Well, they're training them for these draft picks,
00:50:30which they're using to draft them.
00:50:32So I think that's the trade.
00:50:33There's too many wide receivers.
00:50:35Simply put, it's economics.
00:50:37I'm not an expert in economics.
00:50:38I don't understand what happened to the stock market yesterday.
00:50:40But I can tell you this.
00:50:41That's a tough one.
00:50:43That's a tough one, Thornton.
00:50:45It was a tough one.
00:50:47You just said it.
00:50:49It's supply and demand.
00:50:50Supply and demand.
00:50:51There's more wide receivers than there are teams willing to pay
00:50:53number one wide receivers.
00:50:54So these guys are becoming available.
00:50:56So that's why I'm not hitting the panic button.
00:50:58One other side note in all of this isn't being discussed a lot right now,
00:51:01and I understand why.
00:51:02But it is important if this deal doesn't get done
00:51:04or maybe even if it does.
00:51:06The Patriots signed Kendrick Bourne to a new contract six months ago.
00:51:09And honestly, the Cleveland Browns signed Amari Cooper to a new deal,
00:51:12what, like two weeks ago.
00:51:13Supplies to them too.
00:51:14Both of these guys are reportedly included in those trade parameters
00:51:17that have been set pending Iooka Green in the contract.
00:51:20That is a dangerous game as a team whenever you do that.
00:51:23Gerard Mayo said he had a good talk with Kendrick Bourne today.
00:51:25But just objectively, you made an agreement with this player.
00:51:30And even, you know, you sign a guy to a multi-year deal,
00:51:32you trade him after the first year.
00:51:34That always raises some eyebrows among players and agents.
00:51:39Maybe Kendrick Bourne's cool with it.
00:51:40I'm sure he'd love to go back to San Francisco and play for contender
00:51:43and he's been there before and all that.
00:51:46The Patriots need to make sure now that this is leaked.
00:51:48This happened with the Celtics last year.
00:51:51Malcolm Brogdon, a year after signing the contract,
00:51:54was included in trade negotiations.
00:51:56The trade fell through.
00:51:57He essentially then demanded a trade.
00:51:59He said, fine, you don't want me, I'm out of here.
00:52:01I don't think Kendrick Bourne would necessarily go that far,
00:52:04but you risk him being disgruntled.
00:52:06Agents don't see this well.
00:52:08Like if you're negotiating with a player represented by the same agent,
00:52:11he's going to ask the question, how do I know, you know,
00:52:14my guy wants to be here.
00:52:15How do I know you're not going to trade him in six months
00:52:17somewhere he doesn't want to be?
00:52:19That's not to say it's all completely broken because of this,
00:52:22but it's something the Patriots will need to address.
00:52:25We probably won't hear about it, but it needs to be addressed internally.
00:52:27I was surprised when I saw Kendrick Bourne's name attached to that last night.
00:52:30We had these conversations this summer, too, with K.J. Osborne.
00:52:32We were talking about the wide receiver room and how it's going to shake out
00:52:35and how could K.J. Osborne be a cut candidate?
00:52:38Well, you just signed him.
00:52:39That's kind of a bad look, too.
00:52:40Now, granted, it's different in competition versus trading someone away.
00:52:43Yeah.
00:52:44But I do think that's what's tough about the media and leaks
00:52:47and conversations between GMs where it's like, okay,
00:52:50it's not a bad thing if you trade Kendrick Bourne for Brandon Ayuk on the surface.
00:52:55And when Elliott Wolfe calls John Lynch and says, hey, we'll add Bourne in there.
00:52:59Let's call this the framework from now.
00:53:01See what else you can get and hangs up.
00:53:03It's a Madden move.
00:53:04It's an easy Madden move.
00:53:05And then you can't do that in Madden.
00:53:06You're joking.
00:53:07I was like, this feels unethical.
00:53:08I wouldn't do this in Madden.
00:53:10It doesn't let you trade someone that you just signed like that.
00:53:13And then it gets leaked and it's a tough look.
00:53:16But at the same time, I don't think it's – I like that they have the conversation with Bourne.
00:53:22Okay, this is what's happening.
00:53:23Here's why.
00:53:24And he's the kind of guy you think would handle it well.
00:53:26Right.
00:53:27I mean, he wants to be a captain of this team, which is also a tough look, too,
00:53:29where he says he wants to be part of the rebuild.
00:53:31He's been a leader.
00:53:32He's been here.
00:53:33He comes out and stretches every single day.
00:53:34And maybe I jumped the gun a little bit earlier by saying that he wasn't out of practice.
00:53:37Got to stir the pot, Mike.
00:53:39Coming back from a torn ACL on a rainy field.
00:53:41You got to stir the pot a little bit.
00:53:42He wasn't out there.
00:53:43That's an objective observation.
00:53:44Anyway, I do think, long story short, that if you have to make that deal,
00:53:50any team is going to do it.
00:53:52But it's a tough look for a guy, again,
00:53:53who has poured his heart and soul into being a New England Patriot,
00:53:55wants to be a part of it, wants to be a captain, et cetera.
00:53:58Maybe he's like, hey, I'd go back to San Francisco,
00:54:00have some stability for the first time in like three or four years.
00:54:04Yeah, I agree.
00:54:05I think it's a really awkward situation that you put yourself in
00:54:08by putting a player out there.
00:54:10But these guys know football is a business.
00:54:12Not everyone, obviously, like Matt Judon.
00:54:14Some people hate the business side.
00:54:16And as much as you know you'd like for there to be a separation,
00:54:19things start to overlap.
00:54:20And with Judon, I think we all thought, yeah, he's probably the one that if a player's involved.
00:54:24He makes a lot more sense, yeah.
00:54:25Because he's clearly not very happy with you.
00:54:27Like even, you know, today we had kind of a weird little Judon situation
00:54:31where he leaves practice, comes back, and he's out of his pads.
00:54:33And we were like, is something happening?
00:54:35Because Elliot Wolfe was on the field around the same time.
00:54:37We were like, oh, my God.
00:54:38Is this it?
00:54:39Yeah, so, you know, with Kendrick Bourne, like you guys said,
00:54:41I think that of anybody he's probably going to be the one who lets it slide off
00:54:45more than someone else.
00:54:47But we've got to keep an eye on that situation.
00:54:49And if he is a little bit upset by the fact that he said,
00:54:51I want to be part of this rebuild for a completely unproven franchise but regime.
00:54:56And then you're like, yeah, but also we might kick you to the –
00:54:58not kick you to the curb, but, you know, get rid of it.
00:55:00In an interview too earlier this offseason with Boston.com's Kari Thompson,
00:55:04Bourne said someone who he would want to see the team try and go get is Brandon Ayoub
00:55:08because he needs to play for him.
00:55:09So then they ship him out for that.
00:55:11It's just – it's a tough look, but again, it's the business of it.
00:55:13Yeah.
00:55:14I mean, it's just considering it's a team he's been on, the same coach,
00:55:18and like a Super Bowl contender, you hope that he's just okay with it.
00:55:22Right.
00:55:23And it seems like that they had a conversation, him and Mayo, that maybe he is.
00:55:26So that's just, you know, reiterating that again.
00:55:29Because it can be a slippery slope if they just start trading these guys
00:55:33that they're just signing.
00:55:34I don't mean to sound the alarm too much either.
00:55:36Like, it's very possible Bourne – they talked to Bourne about it.
00:55:38He goes, yep, I understand.
00:55:39I'm good, you know.
00:55:40But, again, you don't know how does the agent feel.
00:55:43It's honestly more the agent than him because the agents can, you know,
00:55:46their clients see it and then their clients ask about it.
00:55:48Yeah, you're signing all these guys to extensions.
00:55:50They're all going to look at it and say, well, how secure am I?
00:55:53I just signed just like he did.
00:55:55It's another challenge for a first-year GM and a first-year front office
00:55:59that it's going to be something they have to navigate.
00:56:01I think ideally for them, this just never leaks.
00:56:03And I don't think that's something that leaked from New England.
00:56:05I don't think they wanted that out there.
00:56:07I think they're probably upset that that part's out there.
00:56:09Maybe not the whole interest in IU part but the Kendrick Bourne part.
00:56:12But, I don't know, just something that's gone under talked about.
00:56:14When you talk about the human side of it, like you guys talked about,
00:56:17there's a business side of it and guys understand that.
00:56:19But something like this maybe alienates players that are looking for somewhere
00:56:23where the business side of it won't be as in their face.
00:56:26I like that you related it to Brogdon too because in the back of their head,
00:56:28it's like, well, they'll offer me up for anything the next time.
00:56:31They might tell me, well, we just had to try it this time but you're safe now.
00:56:35It's like, how do you really know for sure?
00:56:36That's always in the back of your head and you kind of screw again
00:56:39with your relationship with the team moving forward.
00:56:41And with a front office that has no track record.
00:56:43Yeah, you don't know.
00:56:44I hope this doesn't become a thing with them because that's going to be hard to navigate.
00:56:48Again, this is a really unique scenario where Bourne has played there before.
00:56:53You could argue it's probably a better fit for him.
00:56:56Things like that.
00:56:57But you never know.
00:56:58Maybe he gets asked about it at some point.
00:57:00Maybe he doesn't.
00:57:01But there's so many.
00:57:03It's crazy how quickly we got.
00:57:05It was just for a while Brandon Ayuk's available.
00:57:08And that was the whole story.
00:57:09And are the Niners going to keep him?
00:57:10Are they going to pay him?
00:57:11Are they going to trade him?
00:57:12Whatever.
00:57:13And now in like the last 36 hours, it's layers on layers on layers.
00:57:15I guess before we wrap up here, are we good on Brandon Ayuk updates?
00:57:19I think so.
00:57:20I haven't seen anything new.
00:57:21I just wanted to make sure.
00:57:22All right.
00:57:23So we'll wait and see.
00:57:24Week 1, 2024.
00:57:25Brandon Ayuk is playing for the?
00:57:26Brian.
00:57:27Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:57:28Taylor.
00:57:29Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:57:31Patriots.
00:57:32Why not?
00:57:33He's going to be a Steeler.
00:57:34San Francisco 49ers.
00:57:36OK.
00:57:37That's what should happen.
00:57:38Somebody tweeted last night the what's that show?
00:57:44Mad Men meme of like Jon Hamm coming up with the idea.
00:57:47And it was like, what if we don't trade Brandon Ayuk?
00:57:50It literally seems like they haven't considered that.
00:57:52And I know their cap situation's a mess.
00:57:54Figure it out for that guy.
00:57:55You know what?
00:57:56I'm going to say this.
00:57:57Not a mess this year.
00:57:58A mess next year.
00:57:59Because I feel like somebody's going to look it up and be like, oh, they're fine this year.
00:58:00It's like next year, they're screwed.
00:58:01Bull take.
00:58:02Bull take.
00:58:03If they trade Brandon Ayuk, it's the beginning.
00:58:05We're going to, that will go down when we look back on it.
00:58:08Beginning of the end of the title window.
00:58:10I think so too.
00:58:11Because then you have to pay Brock Purdy.
00:58:14Kittle's getting older.
00:58:16Debo struggles.
00:58:18McCaffrey's are running back.
00:58:19How long is he going to last?
00:58:20Pierce Hall's already hurt.
00:58:21Trent Williams is like 36.
00:58:23What if we just traded for Trent Williams?
00:58:25I mean, yeah.
00:58:27Sure.
00:58:28Fine.
00:58:29Let's do that.
00:58:30But again, I just, this could be the beginning of the end of this specific window.
00:58:37And dare I go a step further?
00:58:39The Shanahan era in San Francisco.
00:58:41A notable Shanahan hater in Alex Barth.
00:58:43Praying for his downfall over here.
00:58:45It's not a smart move if they trade him.
00:58:46All right.
00:58:47We can go on and on about this.
00:58:48We'll wrap it up there.
00:58:49Off day tomorrow.
00:58:50You guys have a show tomorrow?
00:58:51Taylor might have something.
00:58:52Taylor, you got a show tomorrow?
00:58:53Yes.
00:58:54I will have something tomorrow.
00:58:55Yeah, yeah.
00:58:56I'll have stuff.
00:58:57Keep it locked.
00:58:58Patriots Daily tomorrow.
00:58:59Mike and Taylor's stuff, CLNistMedia.com.
00:59:01Brian, PatsPulpit.com.
00:59:02I have stuff on 98Five, theSportsHub.com.
00:59:05You can also catch me Thursday afternoon, 11 o'clock.
00:59:08I'll be on for an hour or two on the Sports Hub.
00:59:10Getting you ready for preseason game number one
00:59:13against the Panthers.
00:59:14What is the postgame?
00:59:15Actually, I'm the host.
00:59:16I should know.
00:59:17You're going to be on, I would assume.
00:59:18I'll be there.
00:59:19All right.
00:59:20You'll be on postgame?
00:59:21Yeah, we'll do it.
00:59:22All right.
00:59:23So they'll have a postgame show.
00:59:24Patriots Beat will have a reaction the next day,
00:59:26probably on Friday, to break it all down.
00:59:28Until then, thanks to Amit and the crew.
00:59:30You've done a great job through these live shows.
00:59:32We'll probably do one again next week.
00:59:34But again, it might not be live.
00:59:36The block ends on Tuesday, but we have our media game now.
00:59:39Oh, we might have to come up after the media game
00:59:41and do a breakdown.
00:59:42All right.
00:59:43We'll see.
00:59:44Patriots press pass on Twitter.
00:59:46Or Patriots yield us on Twitter to figure it out.
00:59:48So until then, until the next one, whenever that is,
00:59:51there's a bunch of next ones.
00:59:52For Brian Hines, Taylor Kiles, and Mike Kadlik,
00:59:54I'm Alex Barth.
00:59:55Thanks for tuning in.
00:59:56Take care of yourself.
00:59:57Take care of each other.
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