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00:00Assalam-o-Aliakum, I am Mariya Mehman from Target of Toys and Ali Ameen Gandapur has
00:16given a final call to the protest.
00:18After meeting Imran Khan in the jail and during the protest, we will talk about the new political
00:23strategy of Tariq-e-Insaaf.
00:24Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:31Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:36Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:39Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:42Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:45Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:48Tariq-e-Insaaf is a political party that has been in power for more than a decade now.
00:52After meeting Qaed Ali Imran Khan of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
00:56you saw that Ali Min Ghandapur went to meet him after a long time.
01:00He was being criticized for not going to meet him for a long time.
01:04Today, after meeting him, Ali Min Ghandapur came out and gave a final call for the protest.
01:09Please take a look at this.
01:12We will have to get rid of this government by giving a final call.
01:15And this final call will be such that I think we will leave with our heads tied.
01:19First of all, on the 9th, we are holding a big gathering at Sawabi.
01:23On which, God willing, a label will be given.
01:26I am just announcing that this is my message to my family.
01:28When I leave, if I don't come back, then understand that I won't come.
01:33Whoever wants to come, has to come with this thought.
01:35If they make a strategy to counter us, then we are also making a strategy to counter them.
01:39When they reach there, they will also face obstacles on the way.
01:44So, for now, the call for the protest has been given.
01:47But in the past, I have seen that the results of the call for the protest were not satisfactory.
01:53The government also panicked.
01:55The city was completely shut down.
01:57But Tariq-e-Insaaf was also unable to record a protest with a very large margin.
02:01At the same time, Tariq-e-Insaaf is also hopeful that Imran Khan will come out of jail soon.
02:08Now, how will he come?
02:10Will he come through the courts?
02:11What are the pressures on him?
02:12What is being told to him?
02:13Let's listen to what Tariq-e-Insaaf has to say about this.
02:19Imran Khan will come out of jail in November.
02:21Imran Khan has neither to make a deal nor to leave the country.
02:24Shahana is number three.
02:26The Prime Minister cannot be his lawmaker.
02:28And the US election will also impact on him on November 5.
02:33Imran Khan will also be released through the courts.
02:37The government will also give a political statement.
02:40It will also try to create a perception that somewhere or the other, the matter is being decided.
02:45If a voter of Tariq-e-Insaaf had to go back politically,
02:53it was because the founders of Tariq-e-Insaaf made a deal.
02:57We saw in the past that Nawaz Sharif's voters were also very disappointed after that.
03:02So, if a deal is given at this time, it is in the interest of the government.
03:06Mr. Khawaja Asif, what do you have to say about this narrative?
03:13Why is all this happening in the frontier?
03:16Begum Sahiba has also gone to the frontier.
03:19PTA people say that the software of the Chief Minister has been updated.
03:23Begum Sahiba has also gone there.
03:25Where are these signals coming from?
03:27Is there any underhand conversation?
03:29Social media is also involved.
03:31There is a loose understanding everywhere.
03:35Meanwhile, internal issues of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf are also emerging.
03:39We saw that two notices have been given to Atif Khan on behalf of NAB.
03:43Now, the surprising thing is that the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa belongs to Tariq-e-Insaaf.
03:48The Minister of Tariq-e-Insaaf belongs to Tariq-e-Insaaf.
03:50Ali Meen Gandapur is the Chief Minister there.
03:53So, the former ministers or those who have a strong support in Tariq-e-Insaaf
03:59or can play an active role in the politics of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa of Tariq-e-Insaaf,
04:03can give tough time to Ali Meen Gandapur.
04:06In such a situation, we can see the reasons and indicators of internal pressure.
04:17The first notice came on 31st October in the Malam Jabba case.
04:21The second notice came on 1st November in the use of the government fund in the private society.
04:26After that, when we asked Atif Khan,
04:31we tried to get in touch with Atif Khan regarding this issue.
04:35At this time, he has apologized.
04:38When we asked Barrister Saif about these notices,
04:42he said that the Minister of Anti-Corruption must have done this.
04:49The party is absolutely united.
04:51There is no internal dispute of the party.
04:53There is no such thing that there is a big division
04:56because of which there is a danger to the party's survival.
04:59But as far as Atif Khan is concerned,
05:01I do not have the details at this time.
05:04However, I would say that Mr. Musadeq Abbasi,
05:07who is an expert on corruption of the Prime Minister,
05:10and our institution of accountability on these issues,
05:13he must have a reason for asking for this.
05:17Before the program, we have with us Mr. Faisal Chaudhry.
05:20He has met with Mr. Imran Khan today.
05:23What was discussed there?
05:25It is being said that Mr. Imran Khan has not spoken to the court or the journalists for two days.
05:31All these questions will be asked to Mr. Faisal Chaudhry.
05:34Thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Faisal.
05:36Mr. Ali Amin Gandapur has given a call today at the behest of Mr. Khan.
05:40Has Mr. Imran Khan himself given a go-ahead for a political protest in Diyala Jail?
05:49Definitely, CM Ali Amin Gandapur has given a go-ahead after meeting with Mr. Imran Khan.
05:56There is no doubt about it.
05:58Obviously, he has given a go-ahead on behalf of Mr. Imran Khan.
06:04And Ali Amin Gandapur has met with Mr. Imran Khan in Diyala Jail.
06:08He has given a statement after that.
06:11This will be understood as a call by Mr. Imran Khan.
06:16And this is being said again and again.
06:18You must have seen that there are reports that Mr. Imran Khan has not spoken to the journalists for the last two days.
06:22He is not addressing the court in the same way.
06:24There is silence.
06:25He is not giving any clear statements.
06:27Earlier, he used to take names.
06:28Now, he is not taking any names.
06:29So, there is some softness in his attitude.
06:32Is this right?
06:33Because you keep meeting and attending the proceedings.
06:35Is this right?
06:38Look, there are two things.
06:41One thing is that the last two cases were very fast.
06:46They were 15-minute cases.
06:48And there was not much time for Mr. Khan to come to the rostrum.
06:52Mostly, because we have more time.
06:54Then, Mr. Khan's cases come to the rostrum.
06:58So, Mr. Khan did not speak to the media.
07:02Because those were 15-minute cases.
07:05So, he did not have the time to come and talk to the media.
07:13Secondly, I have also said this to your person yesterday.
07:19There is an unannounced censorship.
07:21Mr. Khan's jail talks are not reported or published in the newspapers.
07:27So, there is an unannounced censorship.
07:29On which I have requested the channel today.
07:37I have also protested with it.
07:39Look, this is a right of the people.
07:43This is their right of information.
07:45It should be reached.
07:48And Mr. Khan's jail talks should not be banned.
07:53This is not appropriate.
07:54This is not fair.
07:55So, the second thing is that this silence.
07:59The silence that is not there.
08:02Mr. Khan has spoken today.
08:04He has spoken very openly.
08:05He has got the name.
08:07And he has said that Mr. Sarkar is a great man.
08:11The feud that has just happened in China.
08:13He has taken it very seriously.
08:15So, towards Muktadara.
08:16Muktadara's language has become soft.
08:20After the release of Bushra Bibi.
08:21Somewhere, there has been a thaw.
08:26Look, it is a natural thing.
08:28Bushra Bibi has been incarcerated for 9 months.
08:34And Mr. Imran Khan is always worried about her.
08:38Any husband is always worried about his wife.
08:43And especially when there are cases against him.
08:46Which are only related to the fact that he is Imran Khan's husband.
08:50Apart from this, there is no case against him.
08:54So, when he has been in a long imprisonment for 9 months.
08:58Bushra Bibi.
09:03So, when he has been released.
09:06So, relax.
09:07Definitely, Mr. Khan.
09:10There is definitely a aspect of relaxation.
09:14So, this can also be a reason.
09:16But, especially after the release of his wife.
09:20He is worried about his further matters.
09:27This worry is less.
09:30So, tell me Faisal.
09:33Mr. Atif Khan has received two notices.
09:41And the party is holding Mr. Gandapur responsible for this.
09:45Mr. Gandapur's translator says that.
09:47The accountability minister must have received something.
09:52So, these notices must have been sent.
09:53So, what is happening?
09:54Has this also come under consideration?
10:03I am sorry.
10:09I think there is a problem with the internet.
10:11Mr. Faisal.
10:12We are seeing the differences between Mr. Gandapur and Mr. Atif Khan.
10:21Has there been any discussion about this in the party?
10:25Mr. Faisal.
10:56This has happened there.
10:59If a notice has been sent.
11:01I think Mr. Atif Khan should give a statement.
11:04He should tell the whole truth.
11:07This is such a big issue.
11:09It is being portrayed.
11:11It is not such a big issue.
11:12So, this will be fine.
11:14I hope this matter will be resolved soon.
11:20Thank you very much, Mr. Faisal Chaudhary.
11:22He was with us in the program.
11:23He said that he talks a lot.
11:26But the report is not done in that way.
11:28This is also happening now.
11:30And this final call has been given on Mr. Imran Khan's request.
11:33What is the future of justice?
11:35We do not know what kind of final call he will have.
11:40And what results will he be able to achieve?
11:43But a lot is happening in front of the courts.
11:45I saw that the 26th amendment is going to be challenged.
11:47Mr. Hamid Khan and Mr. Munir Malik.
11:50These are the lawyers who were in the spirit of the lawyer movement.
11:53Will that life be in any lawyer movement now?
11:56Especially when the elections of the Supreme Court Bar have just taken place.
11:59And the government has somehow managed the sentiment of Bukla.
12:07And if there is any movement there, it has been harnessed.
12:10So, the amendment that is being challenged.
12:12The Lahore High Court Bar Association has challenged the 26th amendment in the Supreme Court.
12:17A request has been filed against the amendment by the lawyer of justice, Mr. Hamid Khan.
12:22The request has been called for the 26th amendment of the Supreme Court to be declared unconstitutional.
12:27The steps under the sections of the amendment should be declared unconstitutional.
12:31In the request for the amendment, the delegation of the judicial commission, the National Assembly, the Senate, the Speaker of the National Assembly and the Secretary-General has been made.
12:39On this occasion, we saw that Mr. Munir Malik and Mr. Ali Ahmed Kurt had a very smoky conversation.
12:44What did they say?
12:45Will the movement continue or not?
12:47This movement has already started.
12:49The National Action Committee challenges that all the Bar Councils come together and have a national referendum.
12:57Only on one point.
13:00Whether the 26th amendment is acceptable or not.
13:04No free court can accept the 26th amendment.
13:10I am happy that the National Action Committee of Pakistan has started this movement.
13:19We have given this slogan.
13:22We will not leave it.
13:24We will not leave it.
13:26We want to show you an interesting picture.
13:28Today, the Chief Justice called for a meeting.
13:31There will be amendments in the jail.
13:33You will see Ms. Khadija Shah in the committee.
13:37She is a part of this committee.
13:39Tariq Insaaf appointed her.
13:41She has been in jail.
13:43She will give her input on the amendments to be made.
13:47It is an interesting development.
13:49We know how strict it was a few months ago regarding the cases of 9th May.
13:55Now, the famous people are being consulted by the High Court.
14:02It seems that the scenario will be more serious.
14:06Mr. Saqib Bashir and Mr. Imran Wasim are with us.
14:09Thank you both.
14:10First of all, tell us about this picture.
14:12What is the purpose of this committee?
14:14How was it formed?
14:16Ms. Khadija Shah has been nominated by PTI.
14:20We will have to see how she has been nominated.
14:24She has been appointed as a member of the committee.
14:31Now, Khadija Shah is on bail.
14:37She has not been released yet.
14:39She is under trial.
14:41There are cases against her.
14:43It is very common for her to be present in a meeting and then to be put in a committee.
14:51This is her political angle.
14:53If we look at the human angle or the jail reform,
14:57I think it would be better for her to be put in a committee like this.
15:04She has spent 8-9 months in jail.
15:06She is a female.
15:08If you ask her what kind of treatment is given to women,
15:12what kind of facilities are needed,
15:14and what are the things that need to be finished,
15:18it would be better for her to be told by someone who has spent 9 months in jail.
15:22There will be a lot of difference in the opinion of someone who has been released and someone who has been put in jail.
15:28This is a human angle.
15:30If you want to reform the jail, ask those who have been put in jail.
15:33It would be better for them to be told.
15:35But her presence is very important in the 9th of May case.
15:39The 9th of May case is still going on.
15:41We are all shocked by this picture.
15:43Mr. Imran Wasim, do you think this picture is important in this committee?
15:47Do you value this picture as much as you think it is important?
15:56You are looking at this picture from the perspective of jail reform.
16:04I will partially agree with what Mr. Sathe Bashir has said.
16:09The person who has been put in jail can give a better input.
16:13If the people who are going to be faced there are men or women,
16:18the problems they have to face,
16:20they can better tell what the situation is there.
16:24But I will disagree with Mr. Sathe Bashir.
16:27First of all, Khadija Shah has spent more time in jail than BJP women.
16:34I think they have spent more time in jail than BJP women.
16:38Someone else could have been nominated instead of Khadija Shah.
16:41But I don't object to Khadija Shah when she is in jail.
16:47But the way she has been treated,
16:50the way she has been treated,
16:52the way she has been treated,
16:54the way she has been treated,
16:56the way she has been treated,
16:58the way she has been treated,
17:00the way she has been treated,
17:02the way she has been treated,
17:04the way she has been treated,
17:06the way she has been treated,
17:08the way she has been treated,
17:10the way she has been treated,
17:12the way she has been treated,
17:14the way she has been treated,
17:16the way she has been treated,
17:18Mr. Saqib, in 2007, there was a context for the Lawyers' Movement.
17:25The Lawyers' Movement was not running on its own.
17:30The characters of the Lawyers' Movement are still the same.
17:33Do you think it is still alive?
17:36Especially after the elections of the Supreme Court.
17:39This is the question that we are still asking the leaders of the Lawyers' Movement.
17:44When we asked them this question,
17:47they told us that the situation at that time was the same.
17:51In the beginning, the situation was the same.
17:54It was not that the movement started on a large scale on the very first day
17:58and there was unrest everywhere.
18:00It was not like that at all.
18:02They started the movement in a very solid way
18:05and the movement gradually increased.
18:08Now, the next question is,
18:10will they be able to move forward?
18:12I think they will definitely be able to move forward.
18:14In all four districts,
18:16all the Bar Associations,
18:18at the district level,
18:20they have announced the Al-Pakistan Lawyers' Convention.
18:25Most senior lawyers,
18:27Mureer-e-Malik, Ali Ahmad Khurda, Amit Khan,
18:31they are all present.
18:33I liked two things about them.
18:35First, they said that there will be no political affiliation.
18:38Who is Noon, who is PTI, who is not.
18:40What will Mr. Amit Khan do?
18:42They said that the National Action Committee
18:45will not have any affiliation with it.
18:48It will be exempted from it.
18:50Internally, the groups of lawyers,
18:52Amit Khan and Asma,
18:54they said that it will also be exempted from it.
18:56Now, Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad,
18:58he is from the same group as Azam Nazeer Tarar.
19:00So, they say that there will be people from that group,
19:02there will be people from this group,
19:04there can be people from any political party.
19:06This is not from any political party.
19:08Today, they have been sitting for 4-5 hours,
19:10and no one will be affected,
19:12no one will have a policy.
19:14Our opinion will be independent,
19:16we will move it forward independently.
19:18And they, I don't think very quickly,
19:20Al-Pakistan Lawyers Convention,
19:22they are saying that their first agenda
19:24is that the Ayani Tarameem
19:26that has been challenged in the Supreme Court,
19:28they have said that the Supreme Court
19:30should call a full court on it.
19:32Now, to make a full court,
19:34they cannot make it under the law of land,
19:36but they say that the Tarameem
19:38that has been challenged in the Supreme Court,
19:40the same benches have to be made
19:42under the Tarameem, everything has to be done.
19:44So, the same beneficiary,
19:46the same support will be made,
19:48the same will be heard, so how can this be done?
19:50So, a full court should sit,
19:52a full court should examine it,
19:54and after that, they have said one more thing
19:56that we lawyers are with the judiciary,
19:58the judiciary will have to come to the front.
20:00The judiciary will have to pay more,
20:02because the independence of the judiciary
20:04is being compromised.
20:06It will be very structural,
20:08the preparations are complete,
20:10the judiciary will have to lead.
20:12Do you agree with this?
20:14Do you see the effects of this?
20:16No, I do not agree with this
20:18that behind the Bukla movement,
20:20the Pakistan movement
20:22has not been justified.
20:24Even today, in the premises of the Supreme Court,
20:26the numerous personalities
20:28of the Bukla movement
20:30have been seen there.
20:32Not only Hamid Khan,
20:34Shoaib Shaheen was also there,
20:36Niazullah Niazi was also there,
20:38and other faces of the Bukla movement
20:40were also seen there.
20:42But anyway, their attempt is
20:44that this Bukla movement
20:46should not be given a political color,
20:48nor should anyone be able to take
20:50its political impact,
20:52but it will not be that easy.
20:54But before coming to all this,
20:56I would also like to say one more thing
20:58that our friend Saqib Bashir was talking about,
21:00the matter of the 26th constitutional amendment,
21:02he is talking about the full court.
21:04Now, whether the full court is made or not,
21:06in the context of the 26th constitutional amendment,
21:08without going into this debate,
21:10see, as a result of this constitutional amendment,
21:12Yahya Afridi Sahib has become
21:14the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
21:16And in the context of this 26th constitutional amendment,
21:18Mansoor Shah Sahib,
21:20you can say that he is an influential figure.
21:22So, such a bench should be made.
21:24Now, whether it is made on this side,
21:26I will not go into that debate,
21:28but how can you include
21:30such a person in that bench,
21:32who can either be a beneficiary
21:34or can be an affectee.
21:36This is a very crucial point.
21:38But Ibrahim, do you see any
21:40lawyers' movement?
21:42I will come to that in a minute.
21:44I will come to that in a minute.
21:46See, the Bukla movement,
21:48the Bukla faces that we have seen
21:50at the press conference today,
21:52they are very good-natured,
21:54they are very credible,
21:56but if you look at their speeches
21:58you will see some of the faces
22:00who were targeting Qadhi Faisal
22:02and criticizing him
22:04and saying that his time was not good.
22:06Now, you have to look at all these
22:08people, that when this Bukla movement
22:10started in 2007,
22:12they brought Ibtikhar Chaudhry
22:14in front of the people,
22:16that he is a liberator,
22:18he will come back, he will restore,
22:20the people will get justice,
22:22what happened to the people?
22:24Now they are saying that our expectations
22:26are very high,
22:28they themselves have been deceived in 1986,
22:30why should anyone trust them for the third time?
22:32Okay, whatever you are saying,
22:34you do not see any lawyers' movement,
22:36let's see
22:38in the coming days,
22:40will they be able to collect momentum
22:42and will it be a political movement?
22:44There are a lot of questions,
22:46we will keep an eye on it,
22:48when we come back on the break,
22:50there is a smog in Lahore,
22:52forget Lahore, we have seen in Islamabad
22:54that the priorities of the government
22:56are in front of us,
22:58the citizens are worried,
23:00we asked people how this smog has affected them,
23:02we will talk about it in the next segment of the program,
23:04we will be with you.
23:10Welcome back, Lahore is constantly
23:12in the grip of smog and today
23:14all the records of pollution have been broken,
23:16if we show you
23:18what is the index of pollution in Lahore
23:20in just this week,
23:22you will be shocked,
23:24because more than 2 to 2.5 crore people
23:26live in that city
23:28and its vicinity,
23:30and now the smog has spread
23:32to Islamabad,
23:34and we will see that in a few years,
23:36the life of the citizens in Islamabad
23:38will be doubled.
23:40Let's see what was the quality index of Lahore
23:42in this week,
23:44Lahore was at the second number on Sunday,
23:46on Friday it was at the second number,
23:48on Thursday night it was at the third,
23:50and on Sunday it was at the first number,
23:52that is, in the top three,
23:54the most polluted cities,
23:56Lahore's number
23:58always remains.
24:00Now to what extent is this dangerous?
24:02What is the problem?
24:04Earlier when the smog started,
24:06we did not take it seriously,
24:08we thought it would be fine after a year or two,
24:10now the problem is that when it goes from 0 to 50,
24:12it is called a safe zone for human health,
24:14but as it progresses,
24:16its intensity,
24:18its intensity
24:20is harmful
24:22for humans,
24:24for breathing,
24:26for other diseases,
24:28so the level of Lahore
24:30is within the vicinity
24:32of 350-400,
24:34so the people living there,
24:36with their health,
24:38what destruction is it doing?
24:40What are the reasons?
24:42Why are we not able to end this smog?
24:44The biggest reason is transport,
24:46the increase in traffic
24:48is the biggest reason for the smog.
24:50We have not invested in our cities,
24:52in transport,
24:54and now we are getting all the benefits of it.
24:56The industrial sector,
24:5830% of the smoke generated
25:00by the use of narcissine in factories
25:02is the second biggest reason
25:04for the smog.
25:06We have not done any value addition
25:08in this either,
25:10we have not improved the procedures.
25:12Zareesh Shobha contributes 20%.
25:14The use of narcissine in factories
25:16is the third biggest reason
25:18for the smog.
25:20India's narcissine
25:22is only 5%.
25:24In India and Punjab,
25:26the use of narcissine
25:28enters Pakistan,
25:30which is the reason for the smog.
25:32But since morning,
25:34we have been seeing that
25:36the smog is increasing
25:38from India,
25:40and as soon as the smog
25:42enters Pakistan,
25:44the index of the city
25:46improves.
25:48We have told you systematically
25:50that the biggest problem
25:52is transport,
25:54which we feel
25:56has no capacity
25:58to be solved.
26:00Mariam Aurangzeb,
26:02who has been in Islamabad
26:04for a long time,
26:06when she shifted to Punjab,
26:08how many times
26:10has she said that
26:12she has been doing
26:14the 7th course of antibiotics
26:16in the last 8 months?
26:18Is Pakistan a unique place
26:20in the world
26:22where there is no smog?
26:24Yes, there is smog,
26:26but it is pre-emptive.
26:28In 1956,
26:30Britain passed
26:32the Clean Air Act.
26:34After that,
26:36Britain banned
26:38the use of
26:40clean air.
26:42To control the smog in the cities
26:44and towns,
26:46specific areas were created
26:48where smoke-free
26:50fuel could be used.
26:52The government was
26:54subsidizing clean
26:56and oil-free houses.
26:58The cars were being
27:00heavily fined.
27:02This was also the case
27:04in South America.
27:06In these countries,
27:08the standards of cars
27:10were improved
27:12in urban areas.
27:14What was done in France?
27:16To control the smog,
27:18Paris imposed
27:20car-free Sundays.
27:22A sticker scheme was introduced
27:24to limit the number of cars
27:26from 1 to 5
27:28due to which
27:30entry into the city was allowed.
27:32From July 1, 2018,
27:34entry into the city was banned.
27:36What did Norway do?
27:38They banned private cars
27:40and sold public transport.
27:42To increase the number of
27:44cycle lanes in the city,
27:46the government invested heavily.
27:48Due to the increase in
27:50air pollution,
27:52cars driven by diesel
27:54are banned in the city.
27:56This is how the cities
27:58have improved their air index.
28:00I asked a question on Twitter.
28:02How has the smog
28:04affected your daily life?
28:06People responded.
28:08Our journalist,
28:10Sabina Pasha,
28:12said that children's schools
28:14are open late,
28:16routine is disturbed,
28:18children's necks are affected,
28:20they have to wear masks,
28:22they are sick,
28:24it is difficult for them
28:26to breathe,
28:28headache,
28:30medicine is needed,
28:32children have to endure
28:34pain separately,
28:36they are in Punjab University
28:38Lahore hostel,
28:40severe headache,
28:42sore throat,
28:44it is increasing.
28:46People have sore throats
28:48for 4 days,
28:50their lives are affected.
28:52This is just the beginning.
28:54We have seen that
28:56if something is done
28:58in a hurry,
29:00it will take years
29:02to control it.
29:04Fahad Malik,
29:06environmental expert,
29:08is with us.
29:10Is it right
29:12that the government
29:14says that it is because
29:16of air pollution
29:18coming from India?
29:20When air pollution
29:22does not come from India,
29:24our air quality index
29:26is very low.
29:28The biggest problem
29:30is that we have not
29:32tried to collect
29:34any data in Punjab.
29:36I am talking on the
29:38governmental level.
29:40It is very easy to find
29:42out whether it is their fault
29:44or not.
29:46If it is,
29:48then to what extent?
29:50It is not difficult.
29:52But if we take the figures
29:54in some areas,
29:56the air was zero
29:58at that time.
30:00There was not even a
30:02slight breeze.
30:04The air speed was
30:060 kmph on every
30:08air monitor,
30:10website,
30:12and online resource.
30:14From 7 pm onwards,
30:16the air started
30:18moving at 2-3 kmph.
30:20Interestingly,
30:22the air speed is so low
30:24that it does not matter
30:26where the wind is.
30:28But by 9 pm,
30:30the same index
30:32that had reached
30:341300,
30:36had reached 300
30:38by 10 pm.
30:40Since the wind speed
30:42has increased
30:44to 7-8 kmph,
30:46it has dropped to 199 kmph.
30:48If it was their fault,
30:50then the wind speed
30:52would have increased.
30:54And when did it increase?
30:56When the wind stopped.
30:58When we were not getting
31:00any support from anywhere
31:02that we are generating
31:04more pollution than
31:06the capacity of this city.
31:08We are not stopping
31:10the pollution.
31:12We depend on the wind
31:14to take the pollution somewhere else.
31:16And when the wind stops,
31:18we inhale the pollution.
31:20The government has
31:22made policies on this.
31:24There are a lot of documents
31:26that when the figure
31:28goes from X to Y,
31:30then this will happen.
31:32When it goes from Y to Z,
31:34then this will happen.
31:36Today, it went up to 1000.
31:38What happened after that?
31:40Were there any school closures
31:42orders?
31:44Were the offices told
31:46to wear masks?
31:48Did you put restrictions
31:50on unnecessary movement?
31:52Did you issue advisories
31:54for everyone to wear
31:56PM2.5 or M95 masks
31:58so that they don't inhale
32:00the pollution and
32:02don't leave the house?
32:04We haven't tackled this
32:06seriously yet.
32:08We haven't understood
32:10the importance of this.
32:12You talked about the
32:14London smog.
32:16There was a big incident
32:18in 1952-53
32:20called the Great London Smog.
32:22Over a course of
32:24two weeks,
32:26thousands of people died
32:28because they suffocated
32:30in their own cities.
32:32This is why laws were made.
32:34Since 2004,
32:36environmental lawyers
32:38have been saying that
32:40the air quality in Lahore
32:42should be improved.
32:44There were litigations in 2004,
32:462008, and 2012.
32:48In 2016, when the smog
32:50became a real issue,
32:52the Lahore High Court
32:54took up the case.
32:56For the first time,
32:58a document called
33:00the Smog Health Emergency Action Plan
33:02was made to determine
33:04the actions of the smog.
33:06We have been updating
33:08this document.
33:10Sometimes, we blame someone
33:12and sometimes, we don't.
33:14We are not collecting data.
33:16If we are right,
33:18it is a huge diplomatic conversation
33:20we should be having
33:22with our neighbours.
33:24You are absolutely right.
33:26We will keep talking about this issue.
33:28Thank you for enlightening us.
33:30Diplomacy should be an issue
33:32between Pakistan and India.
33:34The biggest issue right now
33:36is environmental pollution.
33:38Pakistan is one of the most polluted
33:40and culturally polluted cities
33:42in the region.
33:44If we see that
33:46it becomes difficult
33:48to live here
33:50due to environmental pollution,
33:52it will be a big problem.
33:54We will come back after the break.
33:56Today, we are celebrating
33:58International Day of Preservation
34:00of Journalists.
34:02The indicators in Pakistan
34:04are extremely dangerous.
34:08Welcome back.
34:10The latest report of Freedom Network
34:12has been released in 2024.
34:14The disturbing facts
34:16are that
34:18this has been the most
34:20painful year for journalists in Pakistan.
34:22There were a total of 57 attacks
34:24on journalists in November 2023-August 2024.
34:26Six journalists have been killed.
34:28The breakdown of which area
34:30is the most dangerous
34:32for journalists in Pakistan.
34:34Sindh is the most dangerous
34:36for journalists in Pakistan.
34:3821 attacks have been reported
34:40on journalists in Sindh.
34:4213 attacks have been reported
34:44in Punjab.
34:46Only 12 attacks have been reported
34:48in Islamabad.
34:502 attacks have been reported
34:52in Balochistan.
34:54Which medium has been
34:56the most affected this year?
34:58Television is the most affected.
35:0053% of journalists
35:02are affected.
35:0410% of journalists are affected.
35:062% of journalists are affected.
35:08How many people are punished
35:10for crimes against journalists?
35:12According to the data
35:14of the UN,
35:1680% of the attacks on journalists
35:18in the world
35:20are free.
35:22Therefore, no one
35:24is harmed.
35:26Arshad Sharif,
35:28who is a colleague of mine,
35:30has a case in front of us.
35:32Even if there are attacks
35:34on high-profile journalists,
35:36the cases do not reach the court.
35:38The program has come to an end.
35:40Do not forget to give your feedback.
35:42Goodbye.

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