On this episode of Poke the Bear, Conor Ryan is joined by Ty Anderson of 98.5 The Sports Hub to discuss the ongoing issues with the Boston Bruins. Following another tough loss, is it time to just admit that this team isn't good? And if so, who is to blame? Conor and Ty break all this down, and much more!
Topics:
- Bruins completely face plant against Dallas
- Swayman has underwhelmed as the team’s No. 1 goalie
- Time for more Korpisalo?
- Is a coaching change all but inevitable
- Are the Bruins just bad?
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Topics:
- Bruins completely face plant against Dallas
- Swayman has underwhelmed as the team’s No. 1 goalie
- Time for more Korpisalo?
- Is a coaching change all but inevitable
- Are the Bruins just bad?
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00:00PokeTheBear is brought to you by PrizePix and the GameTime app.
00:07And welcome into PokeTheBear episode 278, presented by PrizePix and GameTime tickets.
00:14My name is Connor Ryan.
00:15Once again, we are joined by the esteemed, the ever knowledgeable, Ty Anderson of 985.
00:21What's up, Ty?
00:23How are you doing?
00:24I'm doing all right.
00:25If you're watching this on video right now, I swear I don't have a black eye.
00:29It's the sun's shadow around my face right now.
00:33Or the other one.
00:34Yeah, this one.
00:35I didn't get punched in the face.
00:36Just so everyone is clear, I did not get punched in the face.
00:39Just the shadows here are brutal in my apartment.
00:42So I'm doing like I look like how the Bruins are kind of doing right now,
00:46it feels like.
00:46So it's oddly fitting, I guess, in that in that regard.
00:50That'd be that's actually what we should do, Ty, is the more the Bruins lose,
00:54the more just haggard we get, you know, like in Hercules,
00:57when he jumps into the pool and like looks like shit and gets older
01:00and like, look, it's terrible.
01:01That should be us like just gradually just decaying away
01:05as the Bruins continue to either tread water or downright suck,
01:09as has been the case in the last,
01:12I would say the last couple of weeks, kind of the whole season.
01:13It's kind of been the same thing.
01:15And that's carried over into Thursday's game in Dallas, where
01:21stop, you've heard this before, Ty, but felt like the Bruins had some momentum.
01:25They have that Tuesday comeback win against an admittedly
01:29pretty terrible blue team, but a win's a win.
01:32You're feeling good.
01:32Maybe that's the the galvanizing effort the Bruins are looking for.
01:37And what do they do?
01:38They laid an egg.
01:39They played awful in that game against Dallas.
01:43Fought back, made it a 2-1 game after a lot of calls didn't go their way.
01:47Again, feeling good, like they're back in it
01:49and just completely take their foot off the gas in the second period.
01:53Lose 7-2.
01:55When you look at this team, Ty,
01:58what's kind of your big takeaway from all that played out from that game?
02:02I think there's a lot of takes to be drawn from a game like that,
02:06where it just feels like this team was once again trending in the right direction
02:10and feels to get back at square one.
02:13Yeah, I think that after I think now it's official that no matter
02:17what kind of galvanizing, gutsy,
02:20make you believe kind of win they have, you can't believe,
02:24I think, until further notice.
02:26And, you know, perhaps that's our own fault.
02:28I don't know if we should have been saying they're back after beating that
02:32that absolutely horrendous Blues team.
02:34That is, I mean, that defense, you want to talk about just a five year change
02:39from what what what ruined your night in June 2019 to what they are now?
02:44That defense is horrendous.
02:45Oh, my goodness.
02:46You look at like just just not a great team.
02:49But you want to look beyond that, right?
02:51You want to look beyond the opponent and say
02:53what you did is more important than the opponent, right?
02:57And you thought you would have a good chance of carrying over.
03:00I personally believe that Dallas is the best team in the NHL.
03:04Like, I do feel that way.
03:05We've talked about before on this podcast.
03:07I think they're a very, very good team.
03:09They're very deep.
03:10They can beat you in a lot of ways.
03:12But that just wasn't competitive.
03:13And I think that's been the problem too many times this year
03:17where we think there's a galvanizing moment and the next game.
03:20They're just not competitive.
03:21I can deal with losing to Dallas, say four to two empty netter
03:26at the end, making a two goal game that that was that was awful.
03:30That was terrible.
03:31And I think what's been happening here, Connor, is that when they lose,
03:35it unravels fast.
03:36And I think that's the most concerning thing for me.
03:39That's what bad teams do.
03:40That's what the Buffalo Sabres would do for years,
03:42where they'd hang around for 25 minutes, then you get a goal.
03:46And next thing you know, it's three to one, four to four to one, five one.
03:49The game's over.
03:50Like that is what I think is most concerning.
03:53Just not competitive.
03:54Soft, too easy for Dallas, who, again, good team,
03:58but just not competitive enough from the Bruins standpoint, in my opinion.
04:01Yeah, it's the same thing as like that game against Carolina.
04:03With Carolina for all like the losses they've had and they've been banged up
04:07like they've really augmented their roster quite a bit.
04:10Still a good team.
04:12That doesn't mean that they should smoke you eight to two in a game. Right.
04:15Like again, you could have these games where it's competitive.
04:18You come up just short.
04:20It hasn't even been close.
04:21As you said, way too easy for Dallas on multiple occasions in that game.
04:26Jeremy Swainman, I don't think was up to Bob.
04:28The structure in front of him wasn't great.
04:30You had too many guys that were soft on the puck,
04:33defensive structure all over the place.
04:35And I think you look at it right.
04:37Like as you're trying to sum up what this team is right now,
04:41you look at kind of the repeated flaws that have been
04:45hindering this team.
04:46One thing we've seen is just they can't get into a rhythm.
04:49And like as much as you look at that blues game and them coming back,
04:53there's been multiple times this year where they've had those games
04:57are like, all right, feeling good about where they are.
04:59And then they fall flat on their face.
05:01Like again, like the avalanche were kind of rough to start the year,
05:04but you still beat them on on the road.
05:07You're like, all right.
05:08Feel good about where they are.
05:09Where do they do after that?
05:10A lifeless game against the I want to Utah Jazz, the Utah Hockey Club.
05:16They're losing overtime there.
05:18You know, it's a game where Montgomery, you know, gives
05:21gives it to Martian on the bench.
05:22And then they go to Nashville, a team that has, I think, entering Thursday
05:27five regulation wins over 16 games and they get shut out.
05:32Not great. So that's one instance.
05:34And then you have that another one like the game at home
05:38against Toronto overtime win.
05:40All right. Feeling good about where they are.
05:42How do they follow that up?
05:43They get shut out by a pretty bad Flyers team
05:46and then get steamrolled by Carolina. Not great.
05:50What happens again?
05:51You bounce back, you get shut out, wins over again.
05:53Admittedly, two teams in the Flyers and the Kraken, but a wins a win.
05:58How are you feeling?
05:59And then they go up to Toronto, get shut out.
06:01Like this is just kind of par for the course of where this team is
06:05adding on, like how they just no showed against Dallas.
06:08Like it's beyond like the fact that it's the same flaws
06:12in the games, right, of unraveling during adversity,
06:16special teams being poor, the defense structure being bad.
06:20They just can't get out of their own way in terms of building
06:23any sort of momentum.
06:24And that's again, when you look at this team, you're like,
06:27is this just a bad team?
06:28Because right now, like you look at the characteristics
06:31and just they can't get out of their own way.
06:32They they unravel during times when things go south.
06:37It's not good.
06:37However, the way you want to kind of paint it.
06:39No, in in discounting OTLs, right.
06:43Just for the sake of conversation here.
06:45They have at no point this season been two games over 500.
06:49Like like that, like that is what I think is truly maddening.
06:54You know, they they they've been the best they've been is is two in one.
06:58That's the best they've been this year.
07:00That's not good enough for a team that invested
07:03eighty four million dollars basically into free agents
07:07that invested eight point two five mil per year in their RFA goaltender.
07:12Like it's just not good enough.
07:14And I think what's going to be really interesting here is
07:18they got a pretty soft spot in the schedule coming up, I would say,
07:22where you have St.
07:22Louis, you have Columbus, you have
07:26you have you have Utah coming to Detroit.
07:29Yeah, right.
07:30Vancouver, who, you know, they've been up and down this year.
07:33Their goaltending is penguins.
07:35Yeah. Like like in your home for a bit.
07:39If these struggles come to home ice,
07:42that's when ownership's antenna goes up.
07:45Ever like that's when they start to talk about, OK, what's going on here?
07:49Because if your fans aren't going to pay, I looked on Tuesday night
07:52because I was curious.
07:53The cheapest get in for Saturday's game against St.
07:56Louis on Ticketmaster was one hundred and four dollars before fees.
08:01Is anybody paying that right now to watch this product?
08:04Like I'm not trying to shit on the Bruins because I think we both agree
08:08that our lives are better when the Bruins are good.
08:11I'm not going to lie to you.
08:12I grew up a Bruins fan.
08:13I want the team to be good.
08:14It's more fun for me covering a good team, writing about a good team.
08:19This product right now is wretched.
08:21It's not fun to watch.
08:23It's low event hockey.
08:25And I think that that's when ownership's antenna is going to go up
08:27because you got that you got the third highest prices,
08:31I think, in hockey behind MSG and up in Toronto.
08:35And if people aren't going to pay it or they're going to go and hate watch it
08:38and you're going to hold them hostage basically for two and a half hours
08:41to watch that product, they're not going to accept it.
08:44They're not going to accept it.
08:45And I think the Bruins have been blessed for years now
08:48having a great fan base, a fan base that is passionate and cares.
08:52But they're also smart.
08:54They're also smart enough to go.
08:56This is shit.
08:57I don't want to watch this.
08:58I'm going to stay home. Thanks.
09:00And I think that's going to be that's going to be something
09:02that they dealt with that in in 14, 15 and 15, 16.
09:07And it was trending that way in 16, 17.
09:10And when they made the coaching change, I remember Don Sweeney saying,
09:14you know, our home record hasn't been good enough.
09:16And we're trying to figure out why that is.
09:18That's from above.
09:19Hey, we don't win games at home.
09:20That's not a good look for us.
09:22That's like so this upcoming stretch here.
09:24This is where I think it gets real for the Bruins and their situation
09:28and their shortcomings so far.
09:30Yeah. And it's also one of those things, too,
09:32where you look at the the low event hockey.
09:35It's one thing to be low event, boring hockey and you're winning.
09:38Yes, it is so much worse when.
09:41Yeah, exactly.
09:42The island is any gibouche team like, man, it is boring.
09:46But hey, the devil is only the 90s and early 2000s were boring as hell.
09:50And they won a couple of cups out of it.
09:52So the difference between low event hockey and you're winning these games
09:55and what the Bruins are doing right now, which is not fun for anyone involved.
09:59Like, again, all of us, like who are covering the team are watching it.
10:03We're trying to scan everything that's going on from high above the ice.
10:07There have been multiple times where a lot of us have been like,
10:10it's just a bad product.
10:11Like this is not this is not fun.
10:13Like there's no instance where you feel like there's a jolt in the crowd.
10:17The most exciting thing is when they play Stone Cold Steve Austin
10:20on the video board, or maybe that's just my thing.
10:22No, my favorite is when they had they're playing creed one day.
10:25That was the highlight of the season, which listen to Maddie Potcher.
10:29They're not going to happen again.
10:30He's down in Providence now.
10:31Exactly. You got that now where you don't have any young, exciting players
10:34also up with the team.
10:36You have Patrick Brown as the first guy up in Dallas.
10:39Like, let me tell you, Ty, I love me some creed.
10:42Love me some Scott Stapp.
10:44It is not good that we are what, 18 games in the year.
10:46And my favorite moment so far has been Matt Potcher selecting creed for his song.
10:51Like we're in the doldrums right now, if that's where we're at.
10:54But again, the product on the ice beyond just the wins and losses
10:59is it you're not seeing anything you're like, even if they win
11:02on Saturday against a blues team, one, just the benefit of the doubt
11:06is gone in terms of like, all right, are they going to string it together?
11:09But like the way they're going about things is you're not seeing
11:13a winning product out there or sustainable winning product.
11:17It just looks so disjointed.
11:19You can put a whole bunch of bad lives adjectives in there,
11:22but whatever they are, they're not great.
11:24Yeah. And listen, they have some blowout losses
11:29that have skewed these numbers.
11:30But as of right now, they have the fourth worst goal differential in hockey.
11:35I think the only teams worse than them so far have been, I think, Montreal.
11:38I want to say Pittsburgh.
11:40San Jose is up there as well.
11:42And I want to say maybe Philly.
11:44I'm not I'm not certain on that.
11:46Good crew to be in.
11:47But like, it's yeah, you don't want to be in that grouping.
11:49That's a terrible grouping to be in.
11:51I'm sorry. It's not it's not Philly.
11:53It's they're tied with St.
11:55Louis. So another another shit team.
11:58So, yes, you don't want to be in that grouping.
12:00Like you look at the playoff teams, right?
12:02You look at where they all are.
12:03Like the Bruins are like by far the most fatally flawed,
12:07it feels like of that grouping.
12:08And yeah, they can they can turn it around.
12:11But it's also predicated on guys going on a PDO bender,
12:15you know, where they're shooting 20 percent and your goalies are now stopping 940.
12:20So great. You got some luck on your side.
12:21Finally, I don't know how much of this, Connor, is bad luck right now.
12:25I just think it's a roster that is inherently flawed.
12:29I think it's flawed.
12:30And it's I don't know how you pull out and pull yourselves out of it.
12:35You know, if you're the Bruins.
12:36But yeah, to your point, the benefit of the doubt is gone.
12:39You know, like wins are not going to matter until proven otherwise.
12:43You know, there has to be a galvanizing moment, right?
12:46And we're a fourth of the way through the season.
12:49It hasn't happened yet.
12:50And I think they are lucky that they are they are playing in such a meh division.
12:56Like like, listen, Ottawa is on their heels.
12:59You know, Ottawa is no picnic right now either.
13:01Lena Solmark Thursday night lost, gave up five goals on 19 shots.
13:06Like so he's not playing that well right now for Ottawa.
13:09But they got the games in hand over you.
13:11And I think if you're the Bruins, the positive as well,
13:14we're still a coin flip away from being in the playoffs.
13:16Like, yeah, but you shouldn't be.
13:17You should be one of the teams like what you should be right behind Florida.
13:20Yeah, I think we both picked them to win the division this year.
13:23And it's not looking like that's going to happen right now.
13:26Barring some of these guys turning it around here.
13:29But but there's just so many of them, right?
13:31That let's say one guy.
13:33I mean, think about this way, right?
13:34Like Zaka has come around.
13:37Coyle has come around of late by by what he started out as.
13:41You know, Coyle has two goals and an assist in his last six games.
13:45Frederick scores his first point last night since October 26th.
13:50Morgan Geeky is producing again right now.
13:53You're still not winning.
13:54You're still you're still not winning.
13:55You're still 500.
13:56And that's the scary part of it is that is that even if these guys turn around,
14:01is it enough to propel you to victory every night?
14:04I think that's that's a fair question.
14:05It's a fair thing to ask right now about this team and give where they are.
14:08Yeah. No, however you want to, you know, paint the picture.
14:12It's not great, especially when your goaltending is also not being great.
14:16At least you're your number one guy.
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16:02Ty, as you said, not a whole lot going right for this team right now.
16:06All across the roster.
16:07You can add Jeremy Swayman to that mix.
16:10Gives up seven goals first time in his career.
16:13A couple of those were stoppable shots that he had.
16:16And again, like make no mistake, the structure in front of him was not great.
16:20You had guys puck watching on Daznov's second goal.
16:23I mean, you can go through every single one of those goals
16:25and there's two or three breakdowns or sequences
16:28where I think Andy Brickley was losing his mind
16:30during the broadcast as it was just playing out.
16:33But still, for your number one goalie
16:36who is trusted to bail you out in these situations,
16:40you need a whole lot more from a guy like Jeremy Swayman,
16:42who has just not been able, much like the team, to get into any sort of rhythm.
16:46And I think he's what? Got an 888 save percentage right now.
16:50I think you look at goals saved above expected.
16:53He's like 48th.
16:55It's got like a minus five, maybe minus four, whatever it is.
16:59Not good enough for a guy making that kind of money.
17:01A guy that going to this year, you're entrusting to bail you out.
17:05Like, I think we all knew that this Bruins team was going to have
17:08some tough sledding offensively.
17:10You could always look at the defense.
17:12The goaltending is being like, all right, you still have a foundation
17:14that even if it's a rough product, you're going to accrue points
17:18at a pretty steady rate.
17:19Not getting that right now, the way Jeremy Swayman is playing.
17:22Yeah, he hasn't been good enough, I think, no matter how you slice it.
17:28You know, five on five has actually been pretty effective,
17:31but it doesn't really matter when, you know, the PK can't stop a nosebleed.
17:37It feels like in your details are just completely out the window.
17:40I think last night was kind of the first time where I think I, you know,
17:44the Oscar bop goal, I didn't like it all.
17:48Yeah. A little chip shot.
17:49It's a rookie.
17:50Yeah, it's a rookie, you know, heading out of the sand dunes by, I mean, come on.
17:55That can't happen there.
17:57And then there are some things like the Dushane shot.
17:59Like, that's a great shot.
18:00Dushane's an unbelievable player.
18:02What a value for Dallas.
18:043.5 million, I think, is what he's making.
18:06Like, just unbelievable.
18:08Yeah.
18:09The Dadunov penalty shot, it's like, OK, it's a good shot.
18:16Like, he's shooting all the way.
18:17Maybe you got to stop there.
18:18But ultimately, last night was a clunker.
18:21It was a clunker for him.
18:23Obviously, career-high seven goals against.
18:26Hasn't been up to par this year.
18:27And I think what's really interesting, Connor, is I did these stats
18:31and I'm writing it for the sportshub.com.
18:33Like, Jeremy Swayman this year, when he's playing the second
18:38start of a 2-3 for the Bruins, he's 1-4 with an 877 save percentage.
18:44The only win, by the way, was this first game.
18:47It was the first time of that situation.
18:50It was the LA Kings' overtime win.
18:53He played great in that game.
18:54But since then, 0-4, 877, or 1-4, 877 overall.
19:00When Swayman has at least two days of rest this year, which is kind of what
19:05he was with Allmark, because they rarely started, you know, consecutive games.
19:102-2-2 with a 9-0-8 save percentage.
19:14It's a 30, it's a 31 percentage point swing.
19:18Like, that's substantial.
19:20It's substantial.
19:21And I think it's, so far, months, months one and two of being a workhorse guy
19:28has not really played out the way that the Bruins envisioned it.
19:31And I think Corpo Salo is giving you something here.
19:33So for the Bruins, they may have to go back to almost a pseudo-rotation
19:38here, just until Swayman finds his game.
19:40Like, because right now, the whole workhorse idea, it's
19:43not working for him right now.
19:44And so if Corpo Salo is giving you good games, and I think he has been
19:48giving you some good games here, maybe you got to give him some run here.
19:52And because Swayman, to your point, just the overall picture right now,
19:56it's good in certain pockets, but add it all up, not good enough
20:01right now for the Bruins.
20:02No doubt.
20:02Yeah.
20:03And not for a guy making that kind of money as being a number one franchise guy.
20:07It would be very funny if the galvanizing, uh, or turning point of this season is
20:13like, they just give more reps to Corpo Salo when he bails them out for it.
20:16Because if you told us, I think going back to late June, when the, the
20:21Allmark trade goes down, being like, well, let me tell you, they're going
20:25to have to go back to rotation and Corpo Salo is going to get a lot more reps.
20:27You'd be like, oh man, that's not great.
20:31Right.
20:31Right.
20:32As you said, like you look at just the production and, you know,
20:37sticking with plays and especially like high danger looks, the only times where
20:41like Corpus also looked really out of place are like those, those low danger.
20:44Watch from the point.
20:45Everyone's just going to be peppering the net from the blue line to try to
20:48beat the Bruins and corporate solos in net.
20:50But like you look at just how narrow the margin for error is for this team right
20:55now, with so many guys misfiring the offense being what it is, the defense
20:59being one banged up into structurally, just completely disorganized.
21:04Um, a guy with corporate solos might be the guy that gets you through this
21:09little bit of turbulence you're fighting through right now, which again, if you
21:12told me a few months ago, say you're, you're nuts, if you're, if that's the
21:16guy that's bailing you out, but you just look at the baseline production right
21:20now, um, he's giving you a better chance to win right now.
21:23And if Swayman's not finding his game, then maybe you do have to, as you
21:27said, go with that back and forth rotation, at least for the time being.
21:31And one, maybe it steadies your overall game, which you desperately need, but
21:34also maybe it's a kick in the ass to Swayman to get him into gear.
21:37This is a guy that is extremely competitive.
21:40We all know that.
21:41Um, but maybe you need kind of a, to cut his minutes a little bit to
21:45kind of get him back in, back in order.
21:47Cause you need more of what you've had from streaming the last couple of years,
21:50because this team right now, as currently constituted and as they're currently
21:54playing, you're gonna need to win a whole lot of two, one, three, two kind of games.
21:59And right now you're just not getting enough from him in that regard.
22:02Yeah.
22:03And I think the other part of it too, is that like, we can acknowledge that
22:06the Bruins have been a little too fast and loose in their own zone at times.
22:10Um, however, this is according to natural stat trick, uh, .com.
22:14They do great work over there in terms of tracking a lot of these things and boiling
22:18it down in a very palatable way, I think for, for people, um, there are 41 goalies
22:23that have played at least 400 all situation minutes this year.
22:27Yeah.
22:27Uh, Jeremy, Jeremy Swainman has faced a 6.93 high danger shots per 60 minutes
22:34that only ranks 28th out of 41.
22:37So it's not like he's getting completely shelled where you're like, okay, he's
22:41got to steal you every night.
22:42And there's a limit to that.
22:43Like, no, like I think they're playing okay.
22:46In front of him.
22:46It can be better.
22:48Yes.
22:48It can always be better, but I don't think this is a situation where like,
22:52Oh my God, he's getting shelled every night and he has to low or Montreal or
22:56exactly, exactly.
22:58And, and like, just for context here.
23:00So he's at 6.93.
23:02The league leader is Lucas Dostal in Anaheim.
23:04Who's facing 10.41 high danger shots per 60.
23:08That guy's under siege every night.
23:10This not so much.
23:12Again, it can be better by the Bruins standards, but it's not a
23:15tremendous deviation from a year ago.
23:18In fact, I would almost argue that it's probably.
23:20That's probably lower than a year ago.
23:22If I, I don't have those numbers in front of me, but I would imagine it's
23:26great.
23:26Yeah, they were, they were, they really struggled with high danger looks,
23:29especially last year and they were bailed out by both swimming and all
23:32Mark, I think playing at a high level.
23:34Exactly.
23:34No, that's that 100%.
23:36That's the thing is that last year swimming and all Mark were, were bailing
23:39people out to the point where they thought the Bruins defense was still
23:42really tight when all the metrics kind of said, Hmm, they're kind of middle
23:45of the pack there in terms of, you know, it's not the Chara Seinberg lockdown
23:49years by any stretch, but again, that's another number that sort of highlights.
23:53That Swayman hasn't been up to par this year.
23:56Um, and, and I wonder if the camp has delayed him, you know, like, is he
24:02currently in mid August form when he should be in mid November form because
24:06of missing all that training camp, you can train at BU, you can work with, you
24:10know, your trainers and whatnot, but it's not the same as, as NHL reps, no
24:14matter how you try to, you know, replicate them.
24:16So, uh, it's the only thing like it, NHL reps, the only thing like NHL reps.
24:20So he's got to, he's got to pick it up here, but I do think those
24:25numbers I said off the jump, like it, it gives some, some legitimacy to the
24:30idea of maybe going back to more of a tandem type until Swayman sorts his own
24:36game out.
24:37Yeah, no, I do think that has to probably be something that Jim Montgomery and the
24:41Bruins have to, uh, uh, endorse moving forward, at least until they get out of
24:45this funk as for what actually happens with Jim Montgomery is probably the more
24:49pressing question for the Bruins.
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26:14Ty, we are once again revisiting a storyline that has already
26:19been discussed multiple times.
26:20But when you look at the way this team is playing, the contract
26:24uncertainty, all those things, we know we're going to have to address it
26:27once again, as far as Jim Montgomery and his job security.
26:31When you look at, again, the state of this team and the way they're
26:36playing and the repeated mistakes, does it feel inevitable that maybe not,
26:43we're recording this on Friday, that it's going to drop at 5 p.m.
26:46today or anything like that.
26:47But if this malaise continues where they're just treading water, does
26:51it feel inevitable that if they need to make a change, that he's the
26:55guy that the top brass is going to have to look at, that they're
26:57going to be moving on from?
26:59Yeah, I mean, it's always easier to fire a coach than to
27:02trade an entire roster, right?
27:03And I think that's kind of where they are, where if you have five
27:07guys that are underperforming, well, A, you're not going to trade them
27:10because you're not going to get the proper return.
27:11But B, it's just not feasible in today's NHL, the player for player
27:17in-season hockey trade movement.
27:20It's just so rare.
27:21I mean, think about it.
27:21Like the Caps just traded for Lars Eller.
27:25They brought, they bringing him back from Pittsburgh.
27:27They gave up a, what, a third round pick, I think, and a fifth round
27:30pick, I want to say, a second and a fifth, something like that.
27:33Like there's no player going the other way.
27:35Right.
27:35And I just think that player for player swaps in season are just so
27:40increasingly rarer.
27:42And yeah, there's cap space, right?
27:44Teams have cap spaces here for the first time in a while, but they weaponize it.
27:48They say, we're not going to take that guy.
27:49Just shake up your locker room, give us something else.
27:52And I think there's that part of it as well.
27:55And so firing coaches is just easier, right?
27:58And this might be the easiest one yet in the terms, in the sense that he
28:02doesn't have a contract beyond this year.
28:04It's not as if you're going to be paying out another two or three years of a
28:07contract, uh, like you had to do with Bruce and like you had to do with Claude.
28:11Um, this would be it.
28:13This would be the end of that, that deal.
28:15Um, and I think, like, this is where I am with it at this point.
28:19Let's say they win five in a row.
28:21Are they suddenly going to believe in Jim Montgomery?
28:23Like it kind of feels like they've already made up their mind in terms
28:26of how they view this guy and anything short of a third round appearance might
28:30be, you know, all right, thanks.
28:31We'll see you later.
28:32So you're sort of delaying the inevitable.
28:35Now, the way I look at it and fair run fair, uh, to Don Sweeney and Cam Neely
28:39is that he's a human shield right now.
28:41He is a human shield for what may very well be shoddy roster construction.
28:47It, this may not be the best roster.
28:49This may arguably be their worst roster since 15, 16, if, if, or 16, 17, like.
28:56It's, it's not, it's not great so far.
28:58And so the longer that Jim Montgomery is here and the longer the team is sort
29:02of, you know, taking one step forward, two steps backwards, two steps forward,
29:07one step at like, just not able to find their footing, he's a guy that management
29:12can go, no, no, it's him.
29:13It's not us.
29:13We gave him a good roster, but, but he's not doing it.
29:16You know, like, and so the sooner you take that away, in my opinion, the sooner
29:22the spotlight is put on management.
29:23And I wonder how they feel about that personally.
29:26Yeah.
29:26No, you make a good point there in terms of, yeah.
29:30If you move on from him and the results stay the same, then what's, what's the
29:33next step?
29:33It's you looking in the mirror as to how you built the team.
29:36Cause right now, like you're looking at it and I know you touched on this on a
29:40column a few days ago, like if you want to play the blame game, like make no
29:44mistake, like the, the urgency hasn't been there.
29:47You you're concerned about the messaging, getting through the players.
29:51We know how short a shelf life NHL coaches have now.
29:55You know, the slow stats, the, the special teams erosion there.
29:59It's one of the things you can point to that you're looking at coaching and you're
30:01like, we need more right now.
30:03You're not getting remotely enough.
30:04And there's a, you can make a justified argument as to why the Bruins could be
30:10compelled to make a coaching change down the road.
30:13That being said, the blame game does not just fall on Jim Montgomery shoulders.
30:16As you said, like you look at the, the way this roster was built and like, I'll
30:21raise my hand.
30:22Like I had this team, as you said, finishing at the top of the Atlantic, my
30:26prediction was I'm going to the conference finals, losing to the Rangers.
30:29Like on paper, I liked the way this team was built, but now you're looking at it
30:34and there was a whole lot of risk involved.
30:38I think with banking on so many guys off of career years, either maintaining that
30:43or even taking steps forward.
30:45And you could make the case of like, maybe Charlie Coyle is just a 60 point guy.
30:49Like that, you know, he looked pretty damn good.
30:51And that's why last year, maybe Warren geeky, who thrived with getting more reps
30:56in Boston, as opposed to Seattle, maybe he can't be a 20 goal guy.
30:59Like can Frederick be a 25?
31:01Like you're looking at guys and if you look at on an individual basis, you
31:05could see the way the team was built and be encouraged by what you were going to
31:08get, but there was a whole lot of assumptions or hope that guys were going
31:14to take another step forward and just about everything has taken a step back
31:17this year.
31:18So, um, again, should've could've would've in terms of the way the team is built,
31:22but yeah, if Montgomery is gone, the blame then falls on management.
31:26And of course the players, like, as you said, you can't trade the roster, but.
31:30You up and down the lineup.
31:31There's so many guys that are underperforming that aren't living up to their
31:34expectations that need to pull on, pull on the rope.
31:37But as you said, if Montgomery goes, then it falls on both the players and
31:41management to look in the mirror and the criticism, all those things.
31:44It's already there.
31:45Like you're already hearing it from Bruins fans, but if the coach is out of the way,
31:49that's, who's going to be at the brunt of it moving forward.
31:51Yeah.
31:51A couple of quick hitter points here for me when it comes to this topic.
31:55I, I, I do think that it falls on the players and execution
31:59more than Jim Montgomery.
32:00That said, go back to that behind the B episode, uh, where they're all
32:05sitting in the war room, they have it warrior.
32:07He signs off on this team.
32:09It's July one, but he's going, we're a better team.
32:11We're a deeper team.
32:13And then, and then Sweeney says, and then we can adjust and
32:15we can add a top six forward.
32:17And you hear Montgomery off camera, go correct.
32:19It's like, so he wasn't sitting there in July or August going, Hey, I don't have
32:23the tools I need to build this roster.
32:26So there's that part of it.
32:28Secondly, the thing I don't like that was into Thursday's game, Brandon
32:33Carlo gets absolutely smashed into the boards face first looks bad.
32:37It's a guy with concussion history.
32:40It's a leader on your team.
32:42He doesn't wear a letter, but he's your NHL PA player rep.
32:45He has worn a letter in the past, a teammate that everyone loves and fights
32:50for, they rally around the guy.
32:52They reduced the penalty from a five to a two.
32:55They cut to the, to the, behind the Bruins bench.
32:58There's just no reaction.
32:59Montgomery hands in his pockets says, okay, power play.
33:02Let's go.
33:03Like, I would like to see something there.
33:06I, and I know like it, where, where maybe we're removed from that age
33:11of coaches throwing sticks on the ice and throwing water bottles and getting
33:14ejected from the game, I understand that part of it, but you want a little
33:19bit of passion, don't you?
33:20Like, isn't that something that, that this team lacks right now is
33:24passion and energy and feeling like.
33:28We're going to go balls to the wall because you know, to hell with you.
33:32You just hurt one of our, one of our leaders, one of our friends.
33:35Now you're going to pay for it.
33:37If your coach kind of has that timid, tame mentality, I think sometimes like
33:42it bleeds over onto the product on the ice.
33:44And, and maybe I'm putting too much stock in that, but that bummed me out
33:49as a viewer, as an observer, seeing a player like that, get hurt on a reckless
33:56hit, they reduce it from a five to a two.
33:59And there's just no reaction.
34:01It's like, Oh, I want some passion there.
34:03Show me you care.
34:04Show me that you don't want to get fired.
34:06Show me that you, you give a shit.
34:08I go back to Claude Julien in 2016, 17, when they were scuffling
34:13and they were free falling.
34:14Claude had a press conference where he talked for about 11 minutes.
34:18And he said, I want to be part of the solution here.
34:21I don't want to be fired.
34:22I want to fight with these guys.
34:24I want us to come together.
34:25I want us to win some games.
34:27I just feel like Montgomery is going through the motions and that might be a
34:30product of the Bruins stringing him along here and making him a lame duck head coach.
34:34But Jesus, can I get some passion?
34:36Can I get some energy?
34:37Can you make me feel like you care that you're, that you might get fired if his
34:41team doesn't start winning games?
34:42I just, I hated that, uh, on Thursday night.
34:45I thought you need, that was a perfect time for a reaction to galvanize the bench
34:50and to get your, your game going.
34:52And it just, it fell by the wayside.
34:54That's so annoying to me.
34:55And then you also look at just the way that that sequence played out where
34:59the end of that period, Charlie Coyle gets the goal.
35:02Frederick gets a point, Coyle gets a goal.
35:04And you're like, all right, it's a two, one game.
35:05Like they responded, you have a bad break there on that play.
35:10Thankfully, Brennan Carlo returned to the game, uh, which is great to see,
35:14but you have that sequence.
35:15You have the lower eye penalty leads to a penalty shot.
35:19Again, you're kind of swimming against the tide, the way that first period was
35:23going, but even with like the lack of response there, you come back, you make
35:27it a two, one game, it's a whole new ball game going into the second.
35:32And then again, it's what we keep on seeing with this team.
35:35It's just, you're putting, you're taking your foot off the gas, like completely
35:38flat, no pushback, Dallas had way too many opportunities to generate quality
35:43looks, um, you know, coming in waves across the offensive zone, like you
35:48just see way too much of that.
35:50And as you said, like we're looking at galvanizing efforts or something like
35:53that, the only guy who stepped up was Zdorov who has not been good, has not
35:58found his footing, but I noticed that a lot more than a lot of these other
36:01sequences, right?
36:03At least you have a guy like Nikita Zdorov who's willing to drop the gloves
36:06with Jamie Benn, a guy who should know better than to hit a guy in the numbers
36:09like that, that close to the glass.
36:11Like, uh, yeah, like it's not, you're just looking, I think, for any sort of
36:18momentum or spark that you want to see from this team that makes you think
36:22that, you know, what have we said all throughout this year when they've been
36:25scuffling and you've heard it from, I'm sure we've talked about it, you hear it
36:29on like Nesson of like, this team's got the bones of still a good team.
36:32Like in the playoffs, it all comes together.
36:34Like, you know, they could do something.
36:37Well, if they can't handle adversity right now, what gives you hope that
36:40they're going to solve it when the stakes are actually raised and you got Sam Bennett
36:44and these guys flying in as opposed to a sleepy game in November, right?
36:48Like that is the concerning thing.
36:50I don't know why there's a little thumbs up bubble that just popped up.
36:53You gave a thumbs up.
36:54Watch.
36:55Uh,
36:59this is a very jarring considering how dour this conversation is.
37:05If we have to do another one, like in a few weeks where they're like,
37:08actually like four games under, we should have like that in the
37:10background the entire time.
37:12Uh, but no, like, I think you look at where this team is and this goes
37:15to, I think to a greater point tie is let's say they move on from Montgomery.
37:19Um, is that going to change the course of the team?
37:24I, again, we are in middle of November, but is this team just not that great?
37:31Uh, it's starting to feel that way.
37:33Right.
37:33And I think it kind of goes back to what we've talked about earlier in past
37:36episodes, where you had so many guys coming off career years that
37:40their natural regression it's coming, but it's also coming like hard.
37:45Like, like I didn't see Trent Frederick going from shooting, uh, 15, almost 15%.
37:51And I think 14.5, I think was the exact number of the last two years to shooting
37:55four, it's a 10% drop if it's even 8%, let's just say, you know, he still got
38:02two or three more goals than he has right now.
38:04So it's just like, it's an extreme regression for a lot of guys.
38:08Charlie Coyle, you mentioned at 60 points a year ago, currently
38:12paced for, I think, uh, 20 this year.
38:15You know, that, that's, that's a crazy drop off and he should get
38:19hot here and get closer to maybe 40, 45, uh, between now and game 82,
38:24assuming he's healthy, but like, you know, right now that's, that's a,
38:28that's a cliff that you just fell off.
38:30It's not, it's not, Oh, it's a slight dip.
38:31Like, no, you felt the cliff there, dude.
38:33And so I think that's, what's been, been hitting them really hard.
38:37Um, I think defensively they haven't been the lockdown grouping
38:42that, that we thought they would be.
38:44There's still a lot of really bizarre reads that lead to like two on ones the
38:48other way and you're like, how the hell did that happen?
38:51There's just been too many of those.
38:52Right.
38:52And I think that Nesson did a really good job.
38:56Um, their, their, their intermission show, uh, with Adam Pellerin, uh,
39:00Billy Jaffe and Barry Peterson.
39:03They did a great job of highlighting how other teams are basically
39:06sucking the Bruins into, you know, odd man rushes for, for, you
39:10know, at the Bruins expense.
39:12And I think that's been a really big part of their struggles this
39:17year is just reading the play and, and, you know, and then when you're
39:20not getting the saves and when you're not getting, uh, the scoring, it's
39:24kind of just one big nightmarish meal, you know, everything tastes bad
39:28and I want to return it, but you can't return it, you got to sit there and eat
39:31it sucks, but that's kind of how it's been.
39:33Now, I think for the Bruins now, you know, approaching Thanksgiving here,
39:36it's just, they can't get out of their own way and their bailouts are not there.
39:42The, the, the power play stinks.
39:44The PK stinks.
39:46Uh, their goaltending has, is letting them down more than it's stealing them games.
39:50And so they don't have a bailout right now.
39:53They're the closest thing they have to a bailout with David
39:55Pasternak going off.
39:56And even that, like it's not, it barely did the job in St.
40:01Louis and it wasn't there on Thursday.
40:03So they have nothing that can bail them out of what's been pretty horrific
40:08team play, uh, by their standards.
40:10So maybe they're not good, but they're not making it easy for
40:13themselves either, I would say.
40:14Yeah, that, that is probably my big takeaway, at least for right now,
40:17going into this stretch where, um, again, the opponents are a little bit
40:21lighter where you should be able to build some momentum, but, uh, they are
40:26not as bad as they are playing right now, but maybe they're not the same tier
40:31that we were putting them in maybe to start the year of like, this is a team
40:33that could legitimately go on a run.
40:35Again, we've seen teams that just sneak into the playoffs and then go on a run.
40:39Maybe that's what, considering how hockey is and how, uh, you know, fruitless it
40:45is to project how teams do once you get to, uh, April and May, maybe that's what
40:51the, the, the path is, but right now, like, I think even if this team is not a
40:55500 team, um, maybe they aren't what we were setting them out to be going into
41:01the, and maybe they're just, uh, a team that's just good enough to make the
41:04playoffs, but have some flaws that can't just be corrected by a coaching change
41:09or, uh, uh, avoiding regression and, and, you know, shots on goal or anything
41:14like that, and maybe that's just kind of how you have to roll with it right now,
41:17which is not fun, but that's kind of the hand the Bruins have been dealt right
41:21now, and there's a lot of blame to go around if that is what this team ends up
41:24being, let alone a team that just doesn't make the playoffs, which they're
41:28also playing like that.
41:29So
41:29I feel like every other week or every other game rather, like I'm digging up a
41:34stat that the Bruins haven't done in 20 years, you know, or, Hey, this is the
41:39first time they've, this is, uh, the first time they've allowed three goals
41:43and three power play goals in five games or whatever, since 1981, you know, or,
41:49or, Hey, they just did this for the first time in the last three games.
41:52And the previous time it was a one time in 800 games.
41:56Like there's an element here of like truly bottoming out bad luck wise,
42:01but it's also, again, like, how do you pull yourself out of it?
42:04There's no reason to think that they're going to naturally pull themselves out
42:07of it because they haven't to this date.
42:10And at a certain point, like the sample size gets big enough.
42:12And that is what you are.
42:14That is who you are.
42:15Your record is what, what you are.
42:17And I think the Bruins are kind of getting close to there.
42:20Yeah.
42:20Now it's raining.
42:21Cause you did thumbs down.
42:22I don't know how you have this set up.
42:24I don't have it like that.
42:25I can do like anything and nothing's going to happen here.
42:27You just went to sin city.
42:28That was so weird.
42:30Like Joe Biden controlling the weather.
42:33Read my mind.
42:34I'm just going to have that filter on the entire time for the next time we record.
42:37Or they keep on losing.
42:38I mean, that's how I feel right now.
42:39Like this isn't fun.
42:41And I think that's what people like.
42:43I don't enjoy talking about a losing team.
42:45It's not fun.
42:46Look at the Patriots beat.
42:47Those guys have no idea what to do.
42:50I love watching the Patriots beat right now because they have no idea how to
42:53cover a rebuilding team because they like, what is this?
42:56This is really good.
42:57This is really bad.
42:58We're supposed to be good.
42:59And conversely, like, there are just things that are happening right now that
43:02like kind of pissed me off as like a person who wants to watch entertaining
43:05hockey, hockey is my sport.
43:09I, I, I watch football, but I have completely fallen out of love with the NFL.
43:13I watch baseball, but again, I, it's too long basketball.
43:18I love watching, but you know, it doesn't really matter.
43:21It feels like until later in the season.
43:23So, so when you treat your fan base to boring, low event hockey, it's a little
43:30annoying, it's a little frustrating, and I don't know what it is.
43:33It just hits me extra.
43:35And like a great example of this Connor, and I'm sorry to keep you here.
43:38Like, like a great example is they call it Patrick Brown because Tyler Johnson
43:43has a family situation going on.
43:45Okay.
43:46Tyler Johnson was brought in here to play for the Patriots.
43:49Family situation going on.
43:50Okay.
43:51Tyler Johnson was brought in here to put up points.
43:54He was brought in here to score, to add weaponry to the power play.
43:58Okay.
44:00What is Patrick Brown going to do for that?
44:02What's he going to do for that?
44:03Tell me, please.
44:04Somebody tell me what he's going to do for that.
44:06He's a good guy.
44:08He's a great, he's a great leader for your younger players in the AHL.
44:12Georgie Merkulov has two goals and seven points last five games.
44:16He's a left shot.
44:17He's a power play specialist.
44:19Probably at the NHL level.
44:20That's probably where he's going to make his money.
44:21If he gets the NHL ever, why can't we see him?
44:26Please somebody tell me.
44:28And the whole idea is, Oh, you gotta be a complete player.
44:31You gotta, you gotta impact the game at all three zones.
44:33Okay.
44:33You guys, you have right now, aren't doing that.
44:35So who cares?
44:36So who cares?
44:37Give me some excitement.
44:38Give me some, some, some pizazz.
44:40Give me, just give me something besides safe and boring and low event.
44:45And the Bruins just can't do that right now.
44:46And it's super frustrating.
44:48And it's going to have to be a hard conversation at some point that
44:51if you can't get your game, right.
44:53If you can't get things going the way they need to go, you got to bring up
44:57some players that can bring up some excitement and kind of get the ball
45:00going in a direction where you're like, Hey, they're losing, but at least they're
45:04fun, like, like that, like when you're losing and you're not fun, ah, miserable.
45:08Miserable.
45:09Ty, this hasn't been a fun episode, but it hasn't been a fun season.
45:14At least so far.
45:16I'm sorry to get so fired up.
45:17It's just, it's just, it's completely justified.
45:21This team should be better.
45:22They should be better.
45:23And the fact they're not, it's reflective of everybody, Sweeney, Montgomery, the
45:28players, the long-term philosophy here that, that you gotta be this.
45:32You gotta be that.
45:33Okay.
45:33Well, your guys you have right now, aren't doing that.
45:35So what the hell message does that send to the rest of the, the
45:37rest of the farm system?
45:39You're going to sit in the AHL for four years.
45:41Like why?
45:42Like I, whatever.
45:44The vibes, Ty, are not that great right now.
45:46I concur.
45:47We will see.
45:48They need a seven game winning streak.
45:49That's what they need right now.
45:50That would be ideal.
45:51I think, yeah, the tone would be a little bit better.
45:53I think going into next week, when we record, if they actually start
45:56stringing together some wins, but we will see, even if they win on Saturday
45:59against the blues, uh, it's all about actually stacking wins, which has been
46:03hard to come by for this team for right now.
46:05Um, Ty, before we let you go, where can we read your stuff?
46:09Where can we hear you on the radio, airwaves, all that good stuff?
46:12Yeah, you can hear me every Saturday morning on the hockey show from nine
46:15to 11 AM on 985 sports hub.
46:18Uh, we always have some guests, uh, you know, Ryan Johnson, Bob Beers, Billy Jaffe.
46:23Um, so we get, we, you know, I've got a good crew there for sure.
46:27You know, try to get some more guests in over time here as well as we get
46:30settled in as a season, uh, gets a little bit deeper here as we go.
46:33It's almost Thanksgiving.
46:35That's so weird.
46:36Uh, you can also find me on 95 sports hub, uh, .com, uh, as well.
46:40Do all the, uh, the writings and whatnot are there.
46:43Uh, so that's where you could find me and at, uh, underscore
46:46Ty Anderson on, on X.
46:48I made a blue sky account.
46:49I have no idea what I'm doing there.
46:50That is Ty dash Anderson.
46:52No underscore on that app.
46:54So I couldn't get my, just my full name, my, my regular name, uh, without
46:58some sort of addition there and I'm not a big numbers guy.
47:01So I was like, whatever, we'll put the dash in the middle.
47:04So, uh, so I got that month threads as well.
47:07So yeah, I get just fine.
47:08Yeah.
47:08So you can read my stuff over at boston.com and the Boston globe.
47:11We've covered every step of the way this season from recaps to features, uh,
47:16breakdowns, columns, all that good stuff.
47:18So you can read all of it over there in those two sites.
47:20Um, and you can find me on Twitter X at Conor Ryan, I'm just going 93.
47:24Also on blue sky.
47:26I don't think I've posted anything yet, but it's good to have a dump, right?
47:29Like it's a link dump for now.
47:30I think, yeah, exactly.
47:31I've got it in the whole thing.
47:32I'm just going to put it in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the
47:37I've got it in the holster in case I need to need to use it.
47:40But, um, I do, I think it's just Conor Ryan, 93, no underscore there again.
47:45It's my same fit.
47:46It's my same dumb face between both things.
47:48You'll be able to know who it is.
47:49So, um, you can find me over on those sites.
47:52I think I have a threads too.
47:54I don't even know, again, just look at my name.
47:56It's the same dumb face.
47:57So you can find me on all those sites, um, moving forward.
48:00But, uh, Ty, thank you for their, uh, hopping on once again for this very
48:05pleasant, hopeful, not very cheerful, uh, uh, podcast as we map out just
48:13how dreadful the Bruins have been.
48:15Uh, I look forward to talking with you next week as well, when hopefully
48:18there's more positive things to talk about.
48:21Yeah, let's hope so.
48:22I, we can't, I, I hate to be a cry baby bitch right now, but, but then it's tough,
48:28man, I feel bad for Bruins fans.
48:30I feel bad for, for people who are, uh, who this is their sport and they're
48:34excited to watch a good team and they just haven't been treated to that this
48:37year, so hopefully they get together and hopefully we're having much more
48:40pleasant, less animated and maybe still animated conversations a week from now.
48:46There we are.
48:49We're cooking now on that note, this is episode 278 of poke the bear.
48:53You fans have a great rest of your week.