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00:00Let's get into the Red Sox, though.
00:01Some interesting news in the last 24 hours.
00:03Billy told me there's an update even in the last 15 minutes.
00:06Let me set the table and then we'll get you the update here.
00:10John Morose on Twitter said last night that Juan Soto has offers from five teams.
00:18That is a report from Randy Miller, I think of nj.com, if I'm not mistaken.
00:22All right, Randy.
00:23Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Blue Jays.
00:26Okay.
00:26All right.
00:27Randy Miller, in that same report,
00:31says that Juan Soto is believed to be asking for a 15-year deal worth $700 million.
00:40The Ilya Kovalchuk deal.
00:41Shohei Otani's contract was 10 years, 680, and a bunch of it deferred.
00:46Is there not a cap on years in baseball?
00:48I feel like I should know this.
00:48I don't think so.
00:49There's not, right?
00:50No, I don't think so.
00:51Hockey did that.
00:52All the other sports have done that, I believe.
00:54Well, hockey and basketball have a limit.
00:55Yeah, no, you're right.
00:56Football.
00:57Every sport except baseball.
00:57Yeah.
00:58After Rick DiPietro, the NHL was like, enough of that.
01:00Does football have one?
01:01Maybe football doesn't, but who's signing a hundred?
01:03It's the short shelf life.
01:04Even if you sign somebody for 10 years, it's just guaranteed money in the first two years,
01:07and it's all fake.
01:08But basketball does to protect the GMs.
01:12Hockey obviously does now.
01:14I don't think baseball has a cap.
01:14Yeah, DiPietro and Kovalchuk have these insane deals.
01:16I don't think baseball has a cap.
01:18Because when we were talking about the last couple of years, guys,
01:22we've seen, what, 10, 11, 12, 13-year deals, I think.
01:26Actually, didn't Fernando Tatis, I'll look this up.
01:29He signed a crazy deal.
01:30Yeah, Tatis has a long deal.
01:33Who are some of the other players that signed early?
01:35I mean, Otani just got 10 years last year.
01:36I think Betts had a pretty long deal, didn't he?
01:38The longest current deal in the Major League Baseball is a 14-year deal
01:42signed by Fernando Tatis Jr.
01:44Bryce Harper got 13.
01:45There you go.
01:45Harper got 13.
01:46Stanton got 13.
01:47Trout, Betts, Yamamoto, and Julio Rodriguez are all 12.
01:51So he wants 15 years, which would be the most years?
01:5415 would take him through his age 41 season or something like that.
01:57But doesn't he also want opt-outs after, like, three and four?
01:59Probably.
02:00So he wants $700 million.
02:02A lot of Otani's contract was deferred.
02:05It's believed that Soto isn't interested in deferred money.
02:08So not only does he want the money, he wants it.
02:11And this is, I never got why Otani structured his deal that way.
02:14No, he's like, give me the money now.
02:15I want the money now.
02:17So $700 million divided by 15 would be $46.6.
02:24Average annual.
02:24I'll be honest.
02:25I don't even hate the AAV.
02:26The 15 years is ridiculous.
02:27So $46.6 would be the second highest average annual value behind, obviously, Shohei Otani.
02:34He's 10 for $700.
02:35OK.
02:35He's 26.
02:36He just hit the market.
02:37Now, Billy, what did you say you saw an update here in the last 15 minutes or so?
02:43Hector Gomez.
02:43Yep.
02:44He said, source, the Red Sox increased their original offer to Juan Soto both in years
02:49and total value.
02:50OK.
02:50So they went from $2 and $50.
02:52So is that a good or a bad thing?
02:54Keef, they're already increasing their offer.
02:56Does that mean?
02:57Holy crap.
02:58We were there originally.
02:59Holy crap.
03:00We were so far off.
03:01Yeah.
03:02Or were they just the first to meet with them?
03:03They made an offer.
03:04Other people up their offer.
03:05And now they're keeping the pace.
03:07It depends.
03:07Did they say, did Juan Soto and Scott Boris say no?
03:11Or were they just like, OK, like, we'll take it under consideration.
03:14I think if they're taking a second, if they're making a second offer, I think it's under
03:16consideration.
03:17No, no, no.
03:18I'm saying the first one was the first offer under consideration.
03:20Or did they look at the first one and be like, seriously,
03:22here's my guess.
03:23The Red Sox probably lowballed them for sure.
03:25They met with strategy.
03:26Yeah, that's worked out.
03:27So it's brilliant.
03:28So they probably lowballed them.
03:30Then Boris and Soto met with after the Red Sox and Mets.
03:35Were those the first two he met with?
03:36Yeah.
03:36He met with the Yankees and someone else.
03:38Maybe Blue Jays.
03:39Yeah.
03:39Well, the Blue Jays think they had a meeting.
03:41Maybe they didn't.
03:41So I just wonder if the Red Sox made an offer.
03:44They went into the other ones.
03:46And Scott Boris said, oh, by the way, here's what those teams offered.
03:49Can you match it?
03:50Can you up it?
03:50Can you do X, Y, and Z?
03:53And the Red Sox have upped their offer.
03:55It doesn't mean they matched the highest offer on the board, but they've upped their offer.
03:58Like Boris, unlike last year when Boris was negotiating Jordan Montgomery and Blake Snell,
04:04which he fumbled badly.
04:06Both those guys.
04:07He is in the catbird seat now with Soto in the prime of his career.
04:11You have the marquee teams all bidding.
04:13I wonder if he straight up tells them what other teams have offered or if he just says
04:17like your offer is not the highest right now.
04:20And then is it more like a blind bid?
04:22Or are they like, oh, that's what they're offering.
04:25We'll match that.
04:27I don't know.
04:28I mean, it can't be a bad thing that they're upping the money.
04:33But I wonder how quick that was.
04:34It's like, hey, here's our offer.
04:35And it's like, oh, you're still talking to the teams?
04:37Like, we're going up again.
04:39There's two ways to look at it.
04:41They'll up it again.
04:41There's two ways to look at it.
04:42Either they did their first lowball offer.
04:44And they're like, holy crap, we're so far away.
04:46Let's make a more respectable lowball offer so that it's not completely
04:50embarrassing when the news leaks out what he signed for and what we offer because it
04:52will leak out.
04:53Or it's the other thing.
04:55We made an offer.
04:56We felt it was competitive.
04:57It got up by New York to keep him.
04:59And now we're upping our offer to outleverage them.
05:02I'm not telling you I know the answer.
05:03But it's one of those two things.
05:05If you would.
05:06So would you be willing to go 15 years?
05:07I was going to ask.
05:08And let me ask you a little differently.
05:10Would I be willing to go 15 years for Soto?
05:12Yeah.
05:13Is it smarter to go 15 years and 700 million for Juan Soto?
05:19Yeah, that's silly.
05:20Or is it smarter to do the Bob Nightingale plan that came out the other day that the Red Sox
05:24want not one but two of Corbin Burns, Max Freed, Blake Snell.
05:29So is it smarter to sign two starting pitchers than Juan Soto for 15 years, 700 million?
05:36I still want Soto.
05:37I think so.
05:38I love Burns.
05:38I don't know.
05:39I probably paused because of Burns.
05:41But I don't know that it's smarter.
05:43No.
05:43But the Red Sox need.
05:47They need a household name and a superstar.
05:50That's what they need.
05:50And I think it just adds so much more.
05:53Not that Soto is like a polarizing figure, but getting him from the Yankees and then
05:59having him go up against the Yankees now, like, add so much more juice to that rivalry,
06:05which is needs a little kick in the shorts.
06:07So, yeah, I would still lead that just because I like Max Freed.
06:11But he's no, like, guaranteed, like, stud-side young guy.
06:14Burns is closer to that.
06:15None of this whole show likes Blake Snell.
06:17None of us.
06:18Nobody does.
06:18Yeah.
06:19So, yeah, I think those pitchers like Max Freed and Blake Snell or Juan Soto.
06:22Juan Soto.
06:23Like Juan Soto plays every day.
06:24Yeah.
06:25And I know any player can get hurt all the time.
06:27It just feels like baseball players get hurt or pitchers get hurt all the time.
06:30I think you're right.
06:32They'd also get the.
06:33I think there's a benefit to stealing a player away from the Yankees.
06:36I'm not even talking head to head in the standings.
06:38Oh, we made them weaker and we got better.
06:40There's that benefit.
06:41Yeah.
06:41But there's also Red Sox fans going, oh, we outspent New York.
06:44They want to.
06:45We outspent the Yankees.
06:46We outspent Steve Cohen in the Mets.
06:48The Dodgers aren't even in.
06:50Like, we outspent those teams.
06:52There would be a real benefit to fans reinvesting and recommitting to the team because you did
06:57that.
06:58One thing.
06:58And I know it's the cost of doing business, but if you have your biggest free agent signing
07:03in, I don't know, seven years, it'd be way bigger than what you had before.
07:07I mean, David Price was a huge contract, but this is another whole stratosphere of
07:12contracts.
07:13The cost of doing business often is giving these players these opt outs.
07:18But that to me is like a little deflating.
07:20Like, if you finally come together and you give a 15 year deal and $700 million, here
07:27we go.
07:28And then he has three really good years and he ops out and he hits free agency before
07:32he's 30 and you have to start it all over again.
07:35I'm still doing it.
07:36I hate it though.
07:37I mean, it's not ideal.
07:39You want him.
07:40Bryce Harper signed a deal with Philly with no opt outs, which is kind of unique at this
07:45point.
07:45Usually these guys all have these little ways.
07:47They have the cost of doing business is an opt out.
07:49I'm doing it.
07:50It's just frustrating.
07:51I know it's still a good deal and you still have the player and maybe he'll resign, but
07:56it's like, is he looking for more money after that?
07:59I mean, you're sure everybody in the world is looking for more money, but I think is
08:02that what it is?
08:02And I think his immediate comments after they lost the World Series about, yeah, I'm going
08:06to the highest bidder.
08:07And the fact he's already on his third team, like, yeah, he's a mercenary and he wants
08:11the most money.
08:12There's nothing wrong with that.
08:13I don't think.
08:14And so, yeah, he's going to have an opt out three or four years in.
08:16I pay him and then we'll reevaluate in three or four years.
08:19What do you guys think?
08:20Red Sox have made an offer.
08:21They've upped their offer to Juan Soto.
08:23Are they lowballing him?
08:24Are they doing it for PR clicks, headlines, et cetera?
08:28Or are they really in?
08:29You can jump in 617-779-7937.
08:32We've talked Celtics, Bruins, Red Sox here in the first hour of Jones and Keefe.
08:36What was that?
08:36Ken just sent us some Juan Soto thing.
08:38What is this?
08:39Is it like some promotional thing?
08:41Yes.
08:42Okay.
08:44It's not him.
08:45I haven't seen it.
08:46It's some nonsense.
08:47He's like sponsoring something.
08:50And it's Juan Soto on Instagram sitting in front of a bunch of microphones and then announcing
08:55that he's got some like energy drink.
08:57Nice.
08:57But Ken says there's a red microphone in there.
09:03Follow the clues.
09:04Red?
09:04Yeah.
09:05Just like the Red Sox, Jones.
09:06Oh, the Red Sox.
09:08Cincinnati?
09:08Yeah.
09:10I was thinking Cardinals.
09:11The Dakos team, the Cincinnati Reds.
09:13Mystery team, the St. Louis Cardinals.
09:16Thank you, Ken.
09:17Thank you very much.