Greg Bedard and Nick Cattles break down the Patriots' 34-15 loss to the Dolphins in the latest episode of the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast w/ Nick Cattles. They kick things off with some news: safety Jabrill Peppers has been reinstated by the NFL from the commissioner’s exempt list and returned to Patriots practice today.
The episode dives into the aftermath of the loss, including reactions from players in the locker room—does it signal anything meaningful? Greg and Nick also analyze the matchup between the Dolphins' high-powered offense and the Patriots' struggling defense, highlighting how lost the defense looked on the field.
On the offensive side, they address ongoing pre-snap penalties that have been an issue since training camp and the performance of rookie quarterback Drake Maye who received a decent grade from Bedard despite the team’s struggles.
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The episode dives into the aftermath of the loss, including reactions from players in the locker room—does it signal anything meaningful? Greg and Nick also analyze the matchup between the Dolphins' high-powered offense and the Patriots' struggling defense, highlighting how lost the defense looked on the field.
On the offensive side, they address ongoing pre-snap penalties that have been an issue since training camp and the performance of rookie quarterback Drake Maye who received a decent grade from Bedard despite the team’s struggles.
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00:00This is the Greg Bidard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
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00:35Before we get to that awful, awful football game down in Miami this past weekend, let's
00:39hit some headlines.
00:40And Greg, the biggest headline for the Patriots, Jabril Peppers is back.
00:44He's on the 53 man roster.
00:47Gerard Mayo said he's expected to practice soon.
00:49We can tell you that he's out there today.
00:51So soon was today.
00:53Mayo did say they're going to let the legal process play out.
00:58Peppers said he spoke with ownership.
01:00His representation, uh, is cooperating with the NFL.
01:04What do you think the Patriots do with Peppers?
01:06Do we possibly see him on the field sooner than we thought we might see him on the field?
01:10Yeah, I think he's, he's going to be on the field and, and, uh, probably as soon as this
01:16Sunday.
01:17Um, I would actually be surprised if he's not, um, from what I understand that I don't
01:23like to comment on these types of cases because, you know, you never know the way they're going
01:28to go.
01:29But I had, I had heard weeks to weeks ago that things were looking favorable for Peppers
01:34to return to the Patriots, um, this season.
01:38And I think, um, this decision both by the NFL and also by ownership to okay, Peppers
01:46coming back.
01:47I mean, if there was even, you know, nah, I don't want to say the slightest question,
01:52but if there was any doubt in their minds for the NFL and the Patriots and especially
01:58the NFL with the whole Ray Rice thing there, um, I think it's safe to say that he wouldn't
02:04sniff the field this year, um, that he's back should indicate to you some things about what
02:12they think of the merits of this case when it comes down to it, um, with Peppers.
02:18Um, so I think that he's back speaks volumes.
02:24And you look at what his attorney has said, uh, throughout this process, which is there's
02:30video according to the attorney and the, and the attorney who was Mark Allen Brofsky said
02:36this past Friday, last week that yes, there's video.
02:41And according to him, the video was taken on Pepper's cell phone shows the woman did
02:46not have any injuries to her face.
02:48Now, of course, this is coming from Pepper's legal team.
02:50So it's coming from one side, but you do wonder, uh, if Brofsky has this video, which he's
02:58telling us he does, and he goes to the NFL and he's cooperating with the NFL investigation.
03:04I would just have to imagine the NFL would want to see said video and probably did.
03:10And if Peppers spoke to ownership, as he said he did, then you'd also have to imagine that
03:16the crafts might ask about the video or might've been shown the video.
03:21So I really think the video is the biggest part of this story because if it's legit and
03:28it sides with Peppers, then of course you look at it and you go, okay, then what was
03:33really going on there?
03:35You know, are there comments on the video from the woman?
03:39We don't know.
03:40We don't know what the conversation is.
03:42You know, you don't want to go too far with it as you said, Greg, but you know, there,
03:45there are possibilities here where she says something that actually goes against her story
03:51to the police or Pepper says something and there's an interaction there.
03:55And you know, she says she fell down the stairs because Peppers pushed her.
04:00Pepper says, no, she was drunk and she fell down the stairs on her own.
04:03So one question is on the video, is she hammered?
04:07Is she hammered drunk?
04:08Because that would obviously help Peppers in his side of the story.
04:11So the video is the key.
04:14As we learned with Ray Rice, you mentioned it, Greg.
04:17If you remember the NFL, wasn't going to do a whole hell of a lot against Ray Rice.
04:21And then the elevator video came out and everything changed and whether that should be the case
04:27or not, that's a different conversation for a different podcast.
04:31But sometimes, you know, when you see something or you hear something, it changes the dynamics.
04:36So I do wonder, you know, if the video was the biggest part of this entire story and
04:41has helped Peppers get back before many of us thought he would.
04:45And of course, Robert Kraft has been on record many times talking about domestic violence
04:50and that the Patriots do not stand by that.
04:52The organization would not stand by players who, you know, did something like that.
04:57So you just have to imagine something is strong here pointing towards Pepper's side to allow
05:04him back at practice today.
05:06All right, let's get on the field now.
05:09This Greg 32nd in DVOA.
05:11It's the first time since week seven of 1993, according to our friend, Aaron shots.
05:19How big when you look at this and you put it into perspective about how they've fallen
05:23all the way to 32, how big are the next five games and what can this staff do to make you
05:28feel better about going into 2025?
05:31Yeah, I mean, I, I think it's huge.
05:35And I would say it's, it's a bit disheartening that they're in this position, especially
05:42considering they made the quarterback change to Drake May, who we will, you know, all I
05:47think we'd all admit has, you know, not only increased the entertainment product for this
05:53team, but has provided plays, whether it was, you know, with his arm or with his leg and
05:59has made this offense a little bit more viable.
06:03Of course I'm saying that after a game where they score one offensive touchdown.
06:09But you know, I, I think to me that's, that's, it's an interesting comparison, I think.
06:17And you know, I, of course I didn't cover the team way back when just to refresh people's
06:23memory, you know, 1993, that was the first year of Bill Parcells.
06:29That was after the disasters of Rod Rust, Dick McPherson, Parcells came in, the Patriots
06:36were basically the bottom of the league.
06:39And they had a very young franchise quarterback in Drew Bledsoe, Drew Bledsoe was the first
06:44overall pick.
06:45He was 21 years old.
06:46I think he, he started that season, then he got hurt.
06:49Scott Sekules came in, you know, but I think it's an interesting sort of comparison because
06:57you look at that team and I asked Aaron, I said, so, you know, how did, how did the
07:02Patriots wind up the rest of the season?
07:04So they went from 30.
07:05Well, I don't know, there might've been 30 teams back then.
07:08I forget.
07:09Um, probably were, um, to the, you know, they were 25th at the end of the year.
07:15So they trended up towards the end of that season.
07:18Um, they, you know, I was looking back at the scores of that year and look, there was
07:24some talent on that team, um, you know, sort of, you know, underlying talent there.
07:30Uh, I'm just looking through my notes.
07:32So, you know, they, from that point on, like, you know, they didn't do a whole lot offensively
07:38until the end of the season, but, you know, they lost 10, they lost 10 to nine to the
07:41Seahawks.
07:42They lost nine to six to the Colts.
07:44They lost an overtime 13, 10 to the bills, lost the dolphins, you know, they, from that
07:51to when they were last in the league, they lost six straight games.
07:55Um, they were all close games, uh, six points or less.
07:59And then the last four games of the season, they won, including a seven to two game against
08:05the Bengals, um, beat bill Belichick in the Browns 20 to 17, beat the Colts 38 to nothing.
08:13And then finished beating the dolphins in overtime, um, in a game where it was actually
08:19a sellout.
08:20That was going to be the last game for the Patriots in new England before moving to St.
08:24Louis.
08:25Um, but you know, you just, I think it's, I think it's apt to talk about that season,
08:31um, a bit because they're in similar situations and just, you know, you look at what the job
08:37that bill Parcells, uh, did and.
08:41You know, we now know, you know, we knew he was a hell of a coach with the giants.
08:45We know he was a good coach pretty much everywhere he went.
08:48Yeah.
08:49You know, he sort of burned brightly and burned up the place down on his way out everywhere
08:52he went, but he knew how to build a football team.
08:56He knew how to build a culture.
08:57And we hear that about Gerard Mayo and that's what he's trying to do.
09:01And there's no question in your mind that the Patriots were building to something after
09:05the nine towards the end of the 93 season.
09:08And I, I just don't know if you can say the same thing here, um, you know, and so that's
09:15my concern, especially, you know, a loss like Sunday to the dolphins.
09:20I mean, you know, in my mind, Nick, if a big referendum on the Mayo administration, what
09:28the rest of the season is going to look like is going to come Sunday against the Colts.
09:32Um, you know, the last five games, they don't get more winnable than this game on Sunday
09:38against a Colts team that isn't that great.
09:41Um, so I think that, um, you know, I think the Patriots have a lot of work to do and
09:47they need to show some things toward the end of the season.
09:50Yeah.
09:50I mean, you're, you're traveling to Arizona.
09:52That'll be a tough game.
09:54You of course have Buffalo, not once, but twice at the end of the year, you've got
09:59the chargers who are fighting for a playoff spot.
10:02They lost last night.
10:03Uh, so they're going to have even more urgency.
10:06So there's no doubt that this coming week against Indianapolis is the most quote
10:11unquote, winnable game the rest of the way on this schedule.
10:15And, you know, can they be competitive at the end of the year?
10:20I think is the bigger question.
10:21Not necessarily.
10:22Can they win these games?
10:24Uh, they probably have a better shot against the chargers because they're
10:27coming across to the East coast.
10:29It's going to be late in the season.
10:30So it's probably going to be cold and snowy and, or at least rainy.
10:34And, you know, how much of the Patriots success against Justin Herbert ends up
10:40happening with the Belichick's gone, Steven bill, you know, are there things
10:45that Covington and Mayo know about Herbert?
10:47Cause he hasn't played well against the Patriots.
10:49Of course, how much has Jim Harbaugh changed that math with Herbert?
10:52A lot of different questions about that one, but you do really look at this
10:56week as the one game that the Patriots can try to put their stamp on and prove
11:01that, you know, this past weekend was an anomaly and, you know, they're still
11:06capable of playing against teams that.
11:08Aren't as, you know, good or aren't as explosive as a Rams or a Dolphins
11:16team that we saw the last two weeks.
11:18All right.
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12:39Boy.
12:39Oh boy.
12:40That second quarter was a thing of beauty, huh?
12:43As Jalen Brown would say, hang it in the bleep and Louv.
12:46I mean, that was, uh, 24 Zippo.
12:50No bueno watching that game on Sunday.
12:53Uh, when you're watching the defense, Greg, when you're watching the film,
12:57what was the worst thing about that performance on that side of the ball?
13:03Nick, in my opinion, probably the most frustrating thing to me was, you know,
13:08you're talking about a dolphins team that's in your division that you see
13:13twice a year, um, that they have, that this coaching staff has seen this
13:18iteration of the coach play caller quarterback Tyreek Hill, um, you know,
13:24the weapons, what they're allowed to, what they're able to do.
13:29Um, this was no secret to them as opposed to last week against the Rams.
13:33You could say, okay, they see them once every four years, you know, even though
13:37the McVay offense is all over the place, including in your own division, you could
13:42say, all right, they, you know, maybe something's caught them by surprise.
13:46Cause they don't, that's what you get with these, um, sort of, you know,
13:51inter conference games, uh, you know, unfamiliar opponent, not a lot of time
13:56to do work on them during the season, as opposed to say they play them week one
14:00or week two, they'd be a little bit more prepared, you know, you could understand
14:05that a little bit last week, even though I still didn't, but for the Patriots to
14:10look as inept as they were, and they just looked, they looked clueless.
14:16They looked helpless.
14:18Um, it looked like they had never watched the dolphins on film before.
14:24Um, and you know, that's the thing that, that bothers me.
14:27To me, this is another example in a long line of things that we've seen this
14:33season, Nick, where this team just isn't ready for things that it should be ready
14:39for.
14:39I mean, you know, when, when you talk about putting a staff together and getting
14:43ready for the season, you know, once you get down to, once you get everybody
14:48assembled and what have you, like you get to work and you know, not only are you
14:52doing a lot of work on your own personnel, figure out what you have and sort of how
14:56are we going to play the season, but you're starting a game plan for, for
14:59teams and you start with the, the first game of the season, the Bengals, which we
15:04know they did a nice job with that.
15:06And then you quickly move on to the division, you know, the jets twice, the
15:10dolphins twice, the bills twice.
15:12That right there, those seven games are 41% of your schedule and you know, you
15:18have all off season to get ready for this.
15:21How are we going to approach things?
15:23What's our game plan going to be?
15:25None of these teams in the division were new as far as coaches and
15:30talent and, and all this stuff.
15:32And you know, now we've seen it.
15:35They, they laid an egg against the jets in the first game.
15:38Um, the second time they played them, it was, you know, they were
15:42a dumpster fire by that point.
15:44They had moved on from Sala interim coach.
15:47The first time they saw the dolphins, they had Tyler Huntley, a quarterback,
15:51not to a still couldn't beat them.
15:53And now they get boat raced by the dolphins, giving up 21, 24
15:57points in the second quarter.
15:59And it's just, it's nowhere near good enough.
16:03And talent is not an excuse, especially on that side of the ball.
16:07It's not optimal, but it's not like, yes, they have Tyreek Hill.
16:11Yes.
16:11They have Jalen waddle.
16:13Tua is really good playing in rhythm.
16:16Um, but their offensive line is not that good and they
16:20couldn't get any pressure.
16:21They did do a good job stopping the run.
16:22I will give them credit for that.
16:25They did a great job at that.
16:26Uh, probably their best of the season, but for them to look as inept and clueless
16:31as they were against the team in the division, that's just, that's just
16:36inexcusable for a coaching staff and for a team.
16:40So Greg said defense looked helpless, not ready for what they should be ready for.
16:47And that leads me to a Gerard Mayo said after the game and what he said just a
16:52little while ago to the media today, Mayo and his post game on Sunday said that I
16:58can't do anything once the guys crossed the white lines.
17:02Now I understand what Mayo is trying to say.
17:07What Mayo is trying to say is the player's got to make place.
17:10We prepare them.
17:11Once they go out there, it's up to them to make the plays.
17:16But there are a number of things that I hated about that comment.
17:19Number one, the other way you can look at that from the player's point of view
17:22is our coach just threw us under the bus.
17:25Hey, once you guys are on the field, it's all up to you.
17:28We we've done the job.
17:29Now it's up to you.
17:31It takes for granted or it gives the coaching staff, the benefit of the doubt
17:35that they've actually done the job to prepare them well enough when
17:38they cross the white lines.
17:39Secondly, there are things you can do once players cross the
17:43white lines to help them be better.
17:45There's a number of different things you can do.
17:48You can discipline certain players that are repeat offenders.
17:53Even if you have to drop down in talent, you can still do that to help the team.
17:58You know, you, you can on offense, for example, on, on, you know, fourth
18:02and go situations, you can be a little bit more aggressive to help save
18:06your defense and help your offense.
18:09And when you have a chance to score a touchdown, possibly from the two yard
18:12line the week before against the Rams, and you decide to, you know, freaking
18:17punt, I mean, go for a field goal.
18:20That's a problem to me.
18:22And so it's, it's just this feel of like, Hey, look, you know, and I
18:26know that, I know that Gerard said, we got to coach better.
18:32It's on us.
18:32I don't want to make it sound like he didn't say any of that, but man, oh
18:36man, even when the guys cross the white lines, are they in the right spots?
18:40Are you communicating with them when they're on the field?
18:43When there are zone, when there are coverage busts, are you
18:46going over it on the sidelines?
18:48Why aren't those being corrected in game?
18:50Are you changing players' responsibilities when it's obvious what you've asked
18:54them to do once they cross the white lines, it's not working.
18:58There are things you can do during the game, Gerard, that can make your team
19:01better and put them in a better spot.
19:04And then today, his comments today to me, he was talking about Covington, Greg.
19:11And he said that, you know, Covington is calling all the right
19:14plays, you just have to execute.
19:18This, this goes back to what I just mentioned.
19:21You know, coordinating is not just calling the plays.
19:24It's not Madden.
19:25You're not playing a video game.
19:27You don't call the plane and go, all right, we got it all figured out.
19:30Like it's also coaching the team well enough to execute the play that you call.
19:35It's coaching guys to not repeat the same kind of mistakes like Kyle Duggar that we
19:41see over and over and over again.
19:43And if he can't figure it out, take the responsibility away from him
19:47because he can't figure it out.
19:48It's, it's disciplining the guys that are repeat offenders, you know,
19:54coordinating, isn't just, let's call the play and it's done, it's done that.
19:57And now it's up to the players to execute.
19:59And if they don't execute, everything is on them.
20:01Like there's more to coaching than that.
20:03And it just feels like he doesn't do it all the time.
20:06It's not every comment again, there are times he takes responsibility.
20:10I'm talking about Mayo and takes accountability for the coaching.
20:13I don't want to frame it like he never does.
20:16But Greg, I'm telling you, it seems like every time after a loss, he can't help
20:21himself to say at least one or two things that puts it on the players and
20:26puts it mostly on the players.
20:28And I think he'd just be better off saying we've got to be better.
20:31And it starts with me, which he does say, but just keep it at that.
20:34Don't, don't say anything else.
20:36When you're asked about Covington say, I, you know, I think he's called some good
20:40plays, but we're not executing those plays and that's on the coaches for the
20:44guys up to make sure they can execute.
20:46And it's also on those guys for not executing.
20:48Like, I think you always have to put yourself in that position if you're
20:53Mayo or if you're Covington, and it's not just the guys aren't making the plays.
20:58It's also, Hey, we might also not being, you know, we might not be doing the
21:02greatest job of setting them up to execute those plays.
21:08Yeah.
21:08Um, you know, a couple of different things.
21:11Um, you know, number one, I, it came out clunky and I, and I know you said, like,
21:17uh, you know, you understand what he meant.
21:21Um, you know, I do think that there's, there's a point in time where, um, you
21:27know, the coaches have done everything that they can and it's, I think he was
21:32attempting really what he was trying to do was like, you know, the, the player's
21:36got to take ownership of this.
21:37And sort of like police themselves and like, you know, things like that.
21:41And, you know, the best teams are, you know, um, accountable to each other.
21:46And, you know, you're not relying on coaching and all that stuff.
21:49And I think, you know, that was his point, but, um, you know, it you're right.
21:55Those, those comments can, can rub both ways and it's sort of like, you know,
22:00the soft comment and, you know, maybe, you know, the, the, the, the, the
22:05soft comment and, you know, maybe, you know, that in the abstract was fine.
22:10And the guys understood the message.
22:11Now here's another opportunity.
22:13And he sort of throws the players under the bus because at a certain point in
22:18time, the players are going to be like, yeah, okay.
22:21You know, once we get on the white lines, but you know, during the course
22:24of the week, did you guys do everything you could to get us prepared?
22:28And I don't think anybody could look at the way the defense played and the
22:31communication breakdowns and the bus and the ability, inability to slow down
22:37the dolphins with the plays that they want to do, that everybody knows that
22:41they want to do, they know that Tua is at his best over the middle between the
22:46numbers and, you know, to sort of work that you sort of, you know, make them
22:52throw it outside, he barely had to do that the other day.
22:55And there's certain things, like, I just think the game plan was crappy
22:59and their approach was crappy.
23:02It's not the first time this season.
23:04And I don't think they put the players in position to succeed.
23:08And to say it was, you know, basically Gerard saying, you know, we, we as
23:13coaches did everything we could to prepare the team for this game.
23:16And they just didn't execute.
23:18Like, I just don't, I just don't think that's true.
23:20And if, if you lie to the players if they know that you're
23:25lying, then that can cause issues.
23:28Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll try to sum it up as quick as I can and better maybe
23:31than I did just a minute or two ago, because I went on a rant, the things
23:37that, you know, when Mayo says that on Sunday and when he says the thing
23:39about Covington today, he's painting the picture that the players are not
23:45making the plays because they're just not doing their job.
23:49And I don't think you can say that with this team, as you just mentioned, Greg,
23:53I don't think you can throw it on one side and say it's a hundred percent.
23:58And, and, and say, we put them in position to make those plays.
24:02Like are, are the players not making plays because they're just useless,
24:08not talented, clueless, you know, whatever.
24:11Uh, I'm sure at times it's a lack of talent at times.
24:14It's, you know, it's absolutely on the player, maybe even more than on the coach.
24:18But then, as you said, Greg, you look at the film and you look at the
24:21position that these players are put in.
24:22You have to ask yourself the question where they put in the right position
24:26to execute the plays correctly or be effective on the field.
24:31And if that answer is no, then you can't say what Mayo said, even if it's once,
24:35even if it's just twice during a week, you should never say it because the film
24:40is the film and these guys were not prepared enough on Sunday, and that was
24:44rather obvious in the second quarter.
24:46One of those guys was Kyle Duggar quickly before we get to the offense, Greg.
24:50Uh, how awful was Duggar on Sunday from, I don't know, zero to 10.
24:55He was, um, it's probably the worst game that he's ever played.
24:58And look, I know that he's dealing with an ankle injury and maybe
25:02he shouldn't even be out there, but that's not what it was about the other day.
25:06It was the typical Kyle stuff that we've seen throughout his career that he, he,
25:14he, he gets, he gets distracted.
25:17His eyes are in the wrong place.
25:19He's keeping focus on the quarterback instead of, you know, the guy that he's
25:24responsible for and they're, you know, they're just bus, um, you know, all over
25:29the place.
25:29And this is when, when you have, when the Patriots re-signed all the guys that they
25:36did, like those guys have to play at a high level, like they have to be your
25:40best players and guys like, you know, Kyle Duggar's making like $17 million a
25:45year, you know, Michael, when he was making like $20 million a year and, you
25:49know, Mike was better on Sunday, but for the balance of season, um, those guys
25:54haven't been even close to good enough.
25:57And, uh, that's, that's been a big problem, but you know, it's, it's the
26:02decisions that you make, like, you know, playing Kyle Duggar, where you're playing
26:06him and giving him, you know, extra responsibilities and coverage, you know,
26:09you can't be surprised when it doesn't work out because it's been there his
26:13entire career and has never gotten better.
26:15And he was, he was terrible on Sunday.
26:20All right.
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27:56Um, pre-snap penalties, Greg, what'd you make of those puppies on offense?
28:01Um, so a couple of things, number one, number one, you know, you're going on the
28:08road, those things are going to happen and you have to expect them, especially
28:11when you have like, you know, the, the old saying is bad lines don't travel.
28:16Um, so if your line is bad at home, it's going to be even worse on the road.
28:21And that's what we saw on Sunday.
28:23But the biggest thing to me is, um, this is just an example of
28:30another example of the coaching staff coming up short, because.
28:35This is not a new issue for them.
28:37It might've been really bad on Sunday.
28:39I mean, six pre-snap penalties is pretty ridiculous, but the
28:44penalties, the pre-snap penalties, these are things that we saw back
28:49in training camp, like all the time.
28:51And, you know, they never really got sorted out and for them to, you
28:58know, play like that on the road, the place isn't even all that loud.
29:03Like, you know, it's just, it's just disheartening.
29:07And, and, you know, it's the, it's the, it's the, when you see these things,
29:12Nick, like it makes it points even more of a finger at coaching and you're
29:16just like, are they on top of it?
29:17Are they doing what they should?
29:19I mean, you just worry when you see like this and you see sort of the reaction
29:23in the locker room after the game, like you just wonder things like, is the
29:27standard high enough anymore?
29:29Are they holding these guys accountable?
29:32Uh, you know, are they getting their asses chewed, um, at
29:35times when it calls for it?
29:37And Sunday definitely would have called for it.
29:39Halftime would have called for it.
29:41Uh, you know, you know, it could have been done in training camp, could have
29:46been done earlier on in the season.
29:48And, you know, that's, you just wonder when you see this and now we're in, you
29:54know, week 12 going to week 13, that these things are still an issue.
29:59You're just wondering like, you know, are they holding the guys to a standard
30:04or are they just worried about letting them be themselves in that sort of
30:07thing?
30:07Because to me, they just, they look undisciplined and this was the latest
30:13example.
30:16Was Vidarian low, better than we thought aside from the penalties.
30:20He was.
30:20Yeah, actually, you know, in, in terms of, uh, the pressure he allowed, I only had
30:26him, I think for, I'm just looking, I only had him for one and a half pressures
30:31in this game.
30:32He had a half a sack, um, and, uh, one hurry, but you know, I thought, I thought
30:40he did a pretty good job.
30:42I mean, you know, look, the, the, the penalties were bad, I will say in his
30:46defense, I thought the, I thought the screen holding penalty was a little iffy.
30:53I could see why they called it because he grabbed, he had the guy inside.
30:57Normally when you have your hands inside, they let anything go.
31:00And you know, he pulled the guy down and which is a move offensive lineman
31:06do the problem is it looked like he just, he grabbed a shirt and pulled
31:09them down and they saw the, the shirt grab instead of like, you really want
31:13to get the, the, the, the chest, uh, plate, uh, and then just pull them
31:17down or by the shoulders and pull them down.
31:21And then the other, the false start penalty, the third, I think it was the
31:24third one, but Arian actually did the right thing, um, because what happened
31:28was the dolphins jumped into the neutral zone.
31:30The problem was they were back out of the neutral zone by the time he started
31:33to move because he's so far away from the ball to me, that's on Ben Brown.
31:37And it's on a guy like Michael winning, Michael winning, who sees a guy right
31:40in front of him going into the neutral zone, just move, just touch the guy.
31:44And it's a penalty.
31:45And so to me, it's just, you know, another one of those examples of,
31:50uh, them just, you know, not being on the details.
31:54Here's what I gotta say about that.
31:55I want to make this a public statement and I'm going to tweet about this later
31:58because that's what you do in 2024.
32:00You tweet about it.
32:01Uh, so I'm, I'm a tweet through this for a second.
32:04Uh, and I'm going to talk about it right here as well.
32:07This is on me.
32:09Sometimes when I watch a football game and things are going badly,
32:13I tend to get emotional.
32:14What?
32:15No, that's true.
32:16Tell me that, Nick.
32:17Yes.
32:18Yeah.
32:18I I'm, I'm, this is, this is me coming clean here, Greg.
32:21This is, this is me looking in the mirror.
32:23And, uh, on, on Sunday I might've tweeted that I was done with the
32:26Vidarian low experiment and.
32:29You know, I might've shit on him a little bit.
32:32So here's what I'll say.
32:34I'm not going to tweet about offensive lineman during a game ever again,
32:37because this is a weakness of mine.
32:39What, what ends up happening is an offensive lineman messes up during a game.
32:45And it's like the talk of the town because they, you know, the broadcast
32:50crews talking about it, they show it.
32:52And, oh, the rest of this offensive line has been brutal about.
32:55And so again, I kind of get wrapped up in this emotion.
32:57I I've, I've been pretty steady about Vidarian low and said that, you
33:01know, you look at the other guys that they could have drafted in the second
33:03round, you look at Tyron Smith, you look at some of these other free agents.
33:06Vidarian lows outplayed those guys, but that's what the numbers tell us.
33:10Right.
33:11And I got a little emotional on Sunday.
33:12So I'm publicly apologizing to Vidarian low.
33:15I still did not like the penalties.
33:17Uh, I thought the holding call was bogus as well, frankly.
33:21I'm shocked by that.
33:23No, don't, don't do that to me.
33:25Felger don't do, don't paint me as the Homer.
33:27If a penalty is a penalty, a penalty is a penalty, but I thought he had him on the
33:31inside and you know, you could see that kind of play roughly a thousand times
33:36during a football game, especially on a screen pass.
33:38So anyway, um, I probably went a little bit overboard on the Vidarian low, uh,
33:44you know, kill session on Twitter.
33:46And, um, you know, you're not the only one that I trust that, that
33:51watches offensive line play.
33:53And you're not the only one saying that Vidarian low actually
33:55wasn't, wasn't bad on Sunday.
33:57So yeah, I think I put too much emphasis on the fall starts and it was also the
34:02rest of the team and all the penalties.
34:04And I, I, I kind of hit the limit.
34:05So the Darien low, I probably went a little too hard on you on Sunday, my guy.
34:12So we'll see how he does the rest of the season.
34:14How did Drake may do on Sunday?
34:17Um, all things considering, I didn't think that he did that bad.
34:21Um, you know, when you looked at the advanced analytics, which is sort of
34:25like the first thing I do after the game, uh, you know, in the day after the game
34:29before I'm waiting on the film, um, you know, because, you know, being in the
34:33press box and being there, I was like, I was like, I thought, I thought Drake may
34:37played, you know, decently well, all things considered.
34:41And then I looked at the advanced analytics and his completion
34:46percentage over-expected was minus nine, which was second worst in the
34:50league last week to Anthony Richardson.
34:52Uh, the, uh, the, the pass EPA for the Patriots was negative 16, which
34:58was the worst of the season.
35:00And just throwing the P the EPA on throws was about minus seven, which
35:06was the second worst, uh, of, of the season.
35:10And, but when I watched the film, it pretty much backed up what I thought.
35:14Um, at the game, I thought, I thought may, he basically graded out like 50, 50 for me.
35:19So it was probably, you know, more in the D plus D especially with the turnovers,
35:26the turnovers are going to skew, you know, everything.
35:29And I think he was responsible for, you know, both of them
35:32are at least partially responsible.
35:34I mean, you can't carry the ball.
35:36You can't try to swim, move Zach Seiler and try to like arm over with the football.
35:41Like you're playing like your little brother in backyard football.
35:43Like, you know, that, that ain't going to play this, this ain't the ACC anymore.
35:48And then, you know, to force that throw and it gets tipped up in the air, it was,
35:53you know, it was bad.
35:54And so the, the turnover is going to skew things and move it down to like,
35:57from C range to D range.
35:59But, um, I thought for the most part, he, he was fine.
36:03I will say, um, and this is also to defend the, the offensive line a little
36:09bit, cause you're right.
36:10You're not the only one, everybody.
36:11It's every Sunday, it's, it's either the offensive line is
36:15playing great or the worst ever.
36:17And it's, it's never quite that.
36:19I mean, even when you look at it and it's weird when my pressure
36:23matches up to PFF, but I had Drake may under pressure about 41% of the time.
36:30Um, everybody makes it out like, you know, that's catastrophic.
36:34It's, it's not good, but compared to what Jacoby Brissette had to deal
36:39with early on in the season, you know, it was a walk in the park.
36:42It was the most maze been under pressure.
36:45The previous high was the Jacksonville game at 40.5%.
36:49This was 41.3%.
36:52Um, you know, but it, it wasn't horrendous.
36:55And also I, Nick, I think they need to do, they need to do a better job of,
37:01you know, we've talked about it before about preparing your plan.
37:04How are you going to block things up?
37:06Like we talked about chop Robinson going into this game and his quickness and
37:10explosion off the edge was going to be an issue and, you know, the dolphins
37:15have other people like Zyler, Clay's Campbell that you have to worry about.
37:18I don't have to really about worry about Agba on the other side, but.
37:22You know, certainly you have to be on things, but you got to go into that
37:26matchup and say, we got to make sure that we help on chop Robinson.
37:30And there, you know, there was one play where everybody's all over.
37:33I think it was the strip.
37:34I don't, I don't know if it was the strip sack fumble.
37:37I got to go back and watch the film and get which one specific, but Austin
37:42Hooper's over there to help Demontre Jacobs on chop Robinson.
37:47And what is Austin Hooper do?
37:50He whiffs to the inside.
37:53Like you have to, if you're going to miss miss outside, which forces
37:57him in to come to Demontre Jacobs.
37:59Right.
38:00Hooper misses inside, which pushes.
38:03Uh, chop Robinson further to the outside and now Demontre
38:07Jacobs can't get back there and get him.
38:09And, and also we've, this has been becoming more of a problem with Drake
38:15and it's not a huge issue.
38:17It only comes up a couple of times a game, but Drake is starting to drift
38:22back in the pocket and he's starting to get to the danger zone.
38:25We talked about it before.
38:27If you get back 10 beyond 10 yards from the ball at snap, there's really not a
38:35whole lot the offensive lineman can do.
38:37If you're 11 and 12 yards back, you know, you're not giving them much of a
38:42to get these guys blocked on the edge.
38:45And I think all of it was a factor.
38:46Ramond Ray Stevenson being in and past pro, but not really doing anything
38:50and not looking for danger.
38:52And, you know, so it's all kind of a mess and, uh, it was on Sunday, but it
38:58certainly was not the worst past protection that we've seen, um, this year.
39:03It was just problematic and, you know, getting down 24 to nothing, that's
39:07not going to help the past pro at all.
39:09Yeah.
39:09And just to, uh, put one final note to that here, uh, so next gen stats NFL.com
39:16next gen stats, I just pulled it up week 12 pressure rate in the NFL passing
39:22offenses, uh, there were 12 teams, 12 teams this week that gave up more
39:29pressure than the Patriots did.
39:31According to next gen stats, according to next gen stats, I know you said
39:34PFF and you had it at like 41%.
39:36Greg next gen had it at 37%.
39:39Uh, the Niners, the lions, the giants, the Texans, the Packers, the
39:43Steelers, the Cardinals, the Vikings, the Raiders, the Colts, the Browns,
39:46the Titans all had higher pressure rates than that.
39:48And those are some good teams, right?
39:50I mean, you're looking at it.
39:51Minnesota has what nine wins.
39:53Arizona has been good this year.
39:54Pittsburgh has been one of the better teams in the AFC.
39:57Green Bay has been a good team.
39:58Houston is a playoff team.
40:00Detroit is the best team in the NFL and bill Belichick can't help, but sing
40:04the praises of their offensive line that Matt Patricia built, which was
40:07bullshit, they were actually worse than the Patriots, Nick, if they, I wonder
40:14if they take out the quarterbacks, um, uh, off those pressure rates, cause
40:18then the numbers would make sense.
40:20Cause I had, I had may for one sack, a half a hit and two hurry.
40:24So, you know, another three and a half quarterback pressure.
40:27So you take that out and that seems more in line.
40:30And I do think that's fair.
40:31I mean, to, to, to put into the pressure rates stuff that the
40:35quarterback could have avoided.
40:37And you see that, and I'm not indicting Drake may, we knew this was going
40:40to be part of the deal with him.
40:41He'll learn with it.
40:42You know, you see this with Kyler Murray's Aaron Rogers back when he
40:46first started with the Packers, you know, used to create a whole crap ton
40:50of pressure for the line to the point that his linemen were pissed off and
40:54called them out in a team meeting.
40:56Um, you know, Josh Allen early on did the same sort of thing.
41:00Uh, instead of playing on time, they're trying to make a play and it just makes
41:04it harder for the offensive lines, but, um, you know, that would make a lot of.
41:08Yeah.
41:08So next gen 13th and pressure rate for the offense.
41:11So again, we're not saying it was great, but it was, you know, they were pretty
41:15much middle of the pack when it came to pressure rate this past week in the NFL.
41:19All right.
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41:42Greg ups and downs.
41:44Uh, just going through it, uh, guys that I liked in this game,
41:47Joe, Michael hasty, Antonio Gibson.
41:50It is it just me or do we, when are we going to have the conversation
41:54about that Antonio Gibson might be a better fit for this rush?
41:58It's it's driving me nuts.
42:00I don't know if he'd be better than Stevenson, but what's
42:03driving me nuts is the usage.
42:04I think it was the Rams game two weeks ago when he played earlier in the game.
42:08And I was like, Oh, maybe this is a sign that they're going to get Gibson more
42:11involved than he ended up having like 13 snaps the entire game.
42:14I don't understand it.
42:15He's one of their most explosive players.
42:17He can do a lot of things in the run game and receiving as a running back.
42:20He's flexible, versatile.
42:22I don't understand it.
42:23It's one of the things that I would love to ask Alex van Pelt about.
42:26Yeah.
42:27And he had 30 snaps this week to Stevenson's 29, uh, DeMario, uh, Douglas.
42:33Kendrick born.
42:34I liked, um, city.
42:36So in his 20 snaps, I actually thought he looked, um, decent at, at right tackle.
42:41So maybe we'll see that this week, uh, on the defensive side, Keon white.
42:47Uh, was good.
42:49I thought the defense interior defensive line outside of they
42:52couldn't get any pressure, but to me, that was not throwing off the dolphins.
42:56Um, receivers and not getting too off his first read, which is what we
42:59talked about going into the game.
43:01But I thought, you know, farms, God, chow, bar, more, even echo
43:06Walei, um, were decent this week, especially against the run.
43:10Uh, Tavai was good.
43:13Christian Gonzalez was good.
43:15Um, let's see.
43:18Marte Mapu probably had his best game and that's about it.
43:22The, the downs.
43:24I mean, I got a, I didn't think he was bad, but I got to put Drake there
43:27because of the two turnovers, uh, remandery Stevenson was a down for me.
43:32Javon Baker, Jalen Polk, uh, Hunter Henry, not great, uh, in the blocking
43:38category again, this week, Demontre Jacobs was by far the worst player, uh,
43:43on either, uh, on either unit.
43:46Um, I'm not going to put low in a, when I thought, uh, when you, I thought
43:50Jordan out of the offensive line, I thought Jordan Brown and when you were
43:54the best on defense guys, I didn't like Christian Ellis.
43:58Wasn't great.
43:59It wasn't bad either.
44:01Uh, that, that play they broke up in the end zone was a little bit underthrown.
44:06Um, uh, what's his name?
44:07Matthew Stafford would have made that play and did make that play last week.
44:11And of course, Kyle Duggar was absolutely horrendous.
44:15So for me, it was Demontre Jacobs was the worst Kyle Duggar was the second worst.
44:20He's Greg, I'm Nick, everybody have a fantastic Thanksgiving.
44:27Gobble, gobble, enjoy your Turkey day.
44:30Uh, and we'll talk to you soon.