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- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
"Muzakrat Nahi Honay To Na Sahi, Bar Bar Kaha Ham mare nahi Ja Rahe..." Sheikh Waqs Akram
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, today in the assembly's meeting, we will discuss the
00:29issue of civil disobedience or remittances.
00:31Today, Imran Khan has also come out and said that he has postponed the announcement of
00:36civil disobedience or remittances.
00:37There are two conditions that need to be fulfilled.
00:39What are those conditions?
00:40To what extent are we going?
00:41What does PTI want?
00:42Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib is with us.
00:43He is a translator.
00:44He is going to tell us what the PTI wants.
00:45He is going to tell us what the PTI wants.
00:46He is going to tell us what the PTI wants.
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02:16You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:18You need to ensure that these things happen.
02:20We don't have to knock on anyone's door.
02:22But Sheikh sahab, this is the problem.
02:24On one hand, you are saying that we have to come to you for the dialogue.
02:26On the other hand, you are saying that we have to come to you for the dialogue.
02:28You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:30You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:32You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:34You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:36You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:38You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:40You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:42You have to come to us for the dialogue.
02:44On one hand, you are saying that we are oppressed.
02:46You have to come to us.
02:48You are saying it in a strict manner.
02:50But effectively,
02:52your entire party is saying that the government should come and talk to us.
02:54your entire party is saying that the government should come and talk to us.
02:56your entire party is saying that the government should come and talk to us.
02:58Because there is no plan B.
03:00As I am saying today,
03:02Khan sahab said that I will give one more chance.
03:04You didn't give chances before.
03:06But now you are giving chances again and again.
03:08I will tell you.
03:10The day this discussion committee will be formed,
03:12The day this discussion committee will be formed,
03:14the day civil disobedience was announced,
03:16the day this discussion took place,
03:18Umar Ayub sahab was arrested.
03:20We opened this window because
03:22this is a growing problem.
03:24This is a growing problem.
03:26The consequences of their article 245
03:28The consequences of their article 245
03:30can be very bad.
03:32can be very bad.
03:34So it is better to make a judicial commission.
03:36So it is better to make a judicial commission.
03:38So it is better to make a judicial commission.
03:40So that these things do not come forward.
03:42So that these things do not come forward.
03:44But the government is not doing it.
03:46Sheikh sahab, the government says not to talk.
03:48This is not to be done at gunpoint.
03:50This is not at gunpoint.
03:52We have opened a dialogue committee.
03:54We have opened a dialogue committee.
03:56That is not at gunpoint.
03:58If we have to endure cruelty for 1.5-2 years,
04:00we have the courage to stand.
04:02Imran Khan has also said that
04:04I have to spend 500 days in jail.
04:06I will spend 500 years too.
04:08You tell me after the day you make the committee.
04:10You tell me after the day you make the committee.
04:12Their ministers' tone,
04:14their ministers' ridicule,
04:16their ministers' conversation on the floor and off the floor.
04:18I was saying yesterday that they are
04:20mocking you.
04:22You are right.
04:24They think that if we go to them,
04:26we will do it.
04:28There is nothing like that.
04:30Let's not fool ourselves.
04:32Let's not fool this nation.
04:34And let's not try to fool people.
04:36Let's not fool ourselves.
04:38Let's not sit without the establishment.
04:40You are sitting with the establishment.
04:42You are sitting with the establishment.
04:44If we tell you the summary of the government statements,
04:46If we tell you the summary of the government statements,
04:48the summary is that they are mocking you.
04:50They tell you to do one thing first.
04:52You do this civil disobedience first.
04:54Then we will talk.
04:56They say that you do the gunpoint first.
04:58I understood.
05:00The delay of civil disobedience
05:02was made by Imran Khan
05:04and the party members.
05:06The delay was made by Imran Khan
05:08and the party members.
05:10He said that if you do not
05:12do the judicial commission
05:14and do not do the other
05:16matters,
05:18then it will continue
05:20and we will do it.
05:22then it will continue and we will do it.
05:24But understand this.
05:26There is another message from the other side.
05:28There is another message from the other side.
05:30There is another message from the other side.
05:32The message is that until the
05:349th of May decision is not made.
05:36The people who are quoting the place,
05:38The people who are quoting the place,
05:40a big house in Pindi,
05:42say that until the 9th of May
05:44decision is not made,
05:46you do not apologize.
05:48This is not the way.
05:50This is not the way.
05:52This is not the way.
05:54This is not the way.
05:56This is not the way.
05:58I have said this repeatedly.
06:00I don't know what to say, I have said something that people are trying to give an impression.
06:05No, what will happen to them?
06:07They have been going on for 1.5-2 years without any fun.
06:10Khan has said that he will continue.
06:12So you are saying that he will continue?
06:14He will continue sir.
06:15Why will he continue?
06:16Because of civil disobedience?
06:18No, Punjabi people don't understand the example.
06:20He will continue.
06:22So he will continue because of civil disobedience?
06:25Sir, the expression of protest will change.
06:29It keeps changing.
06:31It depends on what they do.
06:33Civil disobedience can be the expression of a political worker from a non-governmental government.
06:46In a first place.
06:48So will the KP government play a role in this?
06:53Sir, there is a delay in the first phase.
06:57The first phase was for overseas Pakistan.
07:00Sir, has Imran Khan expressed his desire to meet Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman?
07:07No sir, Khan did not express any such desire.
07:11There is a friend of mine, he came and gave this advice to Khan.
07:16He said, you do this.
07:18He is your friend and my friend.
07:21Are you talking about Mr. Fawad Chaudhary?
07:23The advice can be given, but the decision cannot be made easily.
07:27Khan did not make any such decision?
07:30Khan is a leader, he listens to everyone.
07:34He is a great leader, he listens to everyone.
07:36The rest, he has done as he pleases.
07:38Is this true?
07:39You are right.
07:40It is appropriate that people are negotiating.
07:45People have a minimum level of engagement with Maulana.
07:49I think that is better.
07:51Sir, do you think the establishment will allow any nonsense?
07:55Or do they have any clearance for nonsense?
07:59I think that we feel that things should be better.
08:09But you feel that things are bad.
08:12Obviously, when you killed 12 people in Islamabad D-Chowk,
08:17and arrested thousands of people, how is this right?
08:20Yes, but the question is, as I said earlier,
08:27the message is that there can be no negotiation.
08:30Apologize on 9th May, there should be punishments on 9th May,
08:33or whatever work is over, then we will see the nonsense.
08:36Listen to me.
08:38As far as 9th May is concerned, Ibrahim Khan has clearly said
08:42that if our people are involved in this,
08:46and they have done something wrong,
08:48we will not let them do it.
08:49We will not let them be condemned.
08:51Many of our people have sat with you on TV and condemned those things.
08:55Mr. Kashyap, you are a witness to this.
08:57We have said that this is wrong, it is condemnable.
08:59But those who have nothing to do with it,
09:02what kind of apologies are you expecting from them?
09:04They will not apologize.
09:05If someone has done something wrong,
09:07and someone has conspired against them,
09:09then Mr. Ibrahim Khan will not let them do it.
09:11He has said it clearly.
09:13So, you are saying that there should be a commission first.
09:15Tell me, I was talking to some people from your party.
09:19There is a thought in the party that there is a lot of protest,
09:23we will not do it for now.
09:25You are a little tired.
09:27I am using the word tired.
09:29But largely, this is why civil disobedience
09:33and such things will be of a cosmetic nature.
09:37As if we are protesting,
09:39and we don't have to do anything for the people.
09:42I have also heard that Mr. Ali Ameen says,
09:45how many times have I brought people to Nepal?
09:47Look, mobilization is not an easy task.
09:51There is a worker's hunger,
09:53a worker's fatigue, mobilization,
09:55finances,
09:57then the way we have to face it,
10:01shells, stun grenades, rubber bullets,
10:05and now they have started using live ammunition,
10:08they have started killing people.
10:10After so much grand mobilization,
10:12you know that it takes time,
10:14and then if there are protests,
10:16then anger increases among people.
10:19Mr. Kashyap, someone has tried to interpret this wrongly.
10:24When someone's house is killed,
10:26then it is not justified.
10:28No, no, you are right, sir,
10:30but I am saying,
10:32this is a matter of mobilization.
10:34I understand that it is very difficult,
10:36especially when you mobilize people like this as a government.
10:40There is an organic call,
10:42you say, reach there,
10:44like Imran Khan did in 2022-23.
10:46Big people came out.
10:48People themselves came out for Jalsa.
10:50You must remember,
10:52when the government fell,
10:54people came out in Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi.
10:56They all came out.
10:58But now it seems that,
11:00and of course, the party will not disown,
11:02but it has been said that
11:04you cannot protest so much
11:06that you get tired.
11:08No, sir, the thing is,
11:10there is a capacity and capability,
11:12you have to gather energy,
11:14but given the time,
11:16when the call came again,
11:18we went to the homes of the martyrs,
11:20who have a mourning procession,
11:22they also said that
11:24we are ready to give our last baby.
11:26The passion of the people is up to here.
11:28But you are right,
11:30energy,
11:32when two calls are very close,
11:34then its effectiveness,
11:36and there are many elements
11:38that have to be seen,
11:40but it is not to say that
11:42they have raised their hands
11:44and refused.
11:46I think you are listening to me,
11:48but then we can't say that we agree,
11:50but let's leave it and move on.
11:52It is difficult, but we are ready.
11:54I understand what you are saying.
11:56Sir, tell me,
11:58two or three grand mobilizations
12:00have been made
12:02after a few days.
12:04After that,
12:06whenever Khan gives a call,
12:08people are ready for it.
12:10Obviously, Mr. Khan also understands
12:12that protest and mobilization
12:14are done.
12:16People are ready,
12:18people are passionate,
12:20people are ready,
12:22people are ready.
12:24After that,
12:26I agree with you.
12:28You are right that
12:30there is a big role in it.
12:32I often talk to people
12:34and they say,
12:36you will not get machinery
12:38because you will not let it come
12:40in peace.
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24:02that there was an uproar in Pakistan.
24:05You can imagine, if there had been an election,
24:08150 seats would have been taken by Noon League.
24:11On 10th April, 2022, when the elections were held,
24:15they would have taken the seats on that day as well.
24:18Whatever you did to the government,
24:19the compromises you made,
24:21the problems you created,
24:23whatever is happening in the country today,
24:25Noon League is responsible for it.
24:26First of all, make a decision.
24:28You say that this is for power.
24:31It is said about Mr. Mian that he made very difficult decisions during power.
24:36Yes, he did.
24:38And he used to take on the establishment.
24:41If he was told that in 2014, he won't give the seats,
24:44he won't go home, he won't do this, he won't do that.
24:47This has been a very old position of his.
24:49Because you have been close to him for a long time,
24:53I don't think this is just a game of power.
24:55I think it is a personal anger.
24:59He did this to me, he made me a thief,
25:01he put me in jail, he put my daughter in jail.
25:03Do you think that this is a personal anger in the beginning?
25:07Secondly, he thinks that he has ended his political career.
25:11Now there is only one way to end your opponent.
25:14If he stays in jail, there is survival or there is no survival.
25:17Can these two things be combined?
25:19No, I won't go in that direction.
25:21It's a theory, isn't it?
25:22No, I don't agree with this.
25:25Mr. Mian is the oldest politician in this country.
25:29He understands what politics is.
25:30He knows that the person who is in jail today becomes stronger.
25:36The more you oppress him, the stronger he becomes.
25:39Mr. Ali Bhutto was hanged.
25:41Even after that, his party continued to work on that matter for 40 years.
25:45On one hanging.
25:47What was Ibrahim Khan's position in the election today?
25:51Today he is even stronger than him.
25:52What was his position in the election?
25:53Was he second?
25:55I would say he was second, but I think he was more in the position of PTI than him.
26:00Sir, the whole of GT Road is Muslim League.
26:01But you said that Nawaz Sharif's character is still there in all these decisions.
26:07Sir, he is the President of the Jamaat.
26:10Sir, Khurram Dastgir himself said that it's been a year since he last met Mr. Mian.
26:17But I am not surprised because I remember when he was the Commerce Minister.
26:20He didn't meet him for a year and he had to make very important decisions.
26:25People from your previous party say that when they meet Mr. Mian,
26:30they say that Mr. Mian doesn't even talk about politics.
26:33Did people tell you this?
26:36People say that he doesn't engage in politics.
26:38He starts talking about politics.
26:40But it's his wish whether he engages or not.
26:41How is it his wish?
26:42How can you tell a party president that I will go to him,
26:46I am a party worker, I am a member and I can't talk about politics with him?
26:50Sir, it's not his wish.
26:52This is not something you can choose.
26:54Okay, he is not doing it.
26:57But he will be held accountable whether he talks about politics or not.
27:01He is the President of the Jamaat.
27:03People don't know Mr. Shahbaz or Mrs. Mariam.
27:09Is Mr. Mian doing all this because he wants to hand over Mrs. Mariam?
27:12I don't know.
27:13Sir, one thing.
27:15He wants to do some political kite flying.
27:20Do you think that's the reason?
27:22He came back and said that he wants to give his daughter a party.
27:25Sir, it's the wish of every political leader to have a daughter.
27:29Like we say that politics is not based on trust.
27:31Today I went to Punjab University and all the questions were based on this.
27:34What is trust and politics?
27:36Anyway, I told him that trust and politics are in his hands.
27:42If you vote for him, he will be trusted.
27:43If you don't vote for him, he won't be trusted.
27:45But if the election is stolen, it's a different matter.
27:47We also have this that there is no rational situation.
27:50Elections are stolen.
27:51There is never a rational situation.
27:52It will never happen.
27:54It doesn't happen, right?
27:55It doesn't happen.
27:57Look, what kind of a country is this?
27:59In which we say so easily that no election is fair here.
28:02How?
28:03How can you say that?
28:06Absolutely.
28:07Do we say that there is no election here?
28:08No, every person knows and says it.
28:11Oh, the constitution is broken.
28:12Yes.
28:13How?
28:14Oh, they didn't hold an election because they are very powerful.
28:16I mean, do you realize what you are saying?
28:18Sir, this is our misfortune.
28:20If the voice is in trouble, as a country, as a nation, as a people,
28:26this is the reason.
28:27There will be no rule of law, there will be no constitution.
28:31Countries don't work.
28:33We haven't realized this yet.
28:35We didn't understand this in 77 years.
28:37The whole world has understood it.
28:39If you don't like this constitution, then change it.
28:42If you don't change it, then this is the 26th amendment.
28:45When they have to change it, they do it.
28:47No, this is the way of destruction.
28:49Did your government want to change this?
28:51Your previous government.
28:53I apologize if I keep saying your name.
28:56Sir, they didn't want to.
28:57Two thirds of the parliament, two houses voted for this country.
29:01They didn't read it.
29:02They didn't want to.
29:03They didn't even read it.
29:04They didn't even read it on their phones.
29:06It was dark, they couldn't see it.
29:08They kept them in the cold at 12 at night.
29:11It wasn't cold.
29:12They kept them in the cold at 12 at night.
29:14They didn't become parliamentarians.
29:15They became cowards.
29:16Wait, Musarda will come.
29:17Sir will say, yes sir.
29:18This is your parliament, sir.
29:20Sir, I am saying, if it would have been done by the next day,
29:23two days later, would there have been a doomsday?
29:25The people of this country would have seen it.
29:27I don't know what we are thinking.
29:29Where are we going?
29:31What role should Mr. Mian have?
29:34In today's situation, Mr. Mian would have played a role.
29:41He is not an old politician.
29:46He has the ability to convince the person who meets him.
29:55Mr. Rehman also has that ability.
29:57And he has a relationship with every political leader,
30:01except Imran Khan.
30:03He was with him before, but now he is not.
30:05He is in his place.
30:06So his job today was to put an end to the problems of this country.
30:11He has this ability.
30:13He could have played this role.
30:16He should have.
30:17And this is his responsibility.
30:18Even today.
30:19Find a way.
30:22Politicians look for a way.
30:24What is the way?
30:26Sir, I have told you the way is to accept each other.
30:29We don't use bullets.
30:35We use facts.
30:38What is the biggest problem at the moment?
30:41There is no political resolution.
30:44But when two parties look at each other,
30:47how do they look at each other?
30:48They look at each other as enemies.
30:49Yes, as enemies.
30:50We have a team.
30:51We have a team.
30:52We have a team.
30:53We have a team.
30:55We have a team.
30:56We have a team.
30:57We have a team.
30:58But today, the Prime Minister is going to war.
30:59He is firing bullets.
31:00He is attacking the government.
31:03What kind of politics is this?
31:05The Prime Minister comes here.
31:06He is the head of a province.
31:10He comes here to fight the war.
31:13He openly announces that he is attacking.
31:18With the machinery.
31:20But, shouldn't he be given a Democratic Right to protest?
31:26that you give them a place, you sit here and protest, they want to bring their caravans
31:32without government machinery.
31:33Absolutely.
31:34Because they have to bring machinery.
31:35You say, you get DPOs to do press conferences, you get them to give interviews on social media,
31:41let them come, we'll see.
31:42When they do this, the next one also says the same.
31:45There is failure on both sides.
31:46The method was that they did not give it here, they gave a request that we are protesting
31:51here.
31:53The government says that this is the place, which was identified by your government.
31:57Absolutely.
31:58Which is a bar parade ground.
31:59Absolutely.
32:00You come here and protest.
32:01Neither did they do this, nor was their answer correct.
32:04Both are wrong.
32:05They keep a container, they cross it and come.
32:08They cut roads, turn off the internet, schools are closed, the children are happy.
32:14And then the weekly classes are over.
32:16The children are happy.
32:17It's been a month, let the children be happy.
32:20If you meet Mian Nawaz Sharif today, let's say.
32:24Every politician, especially people in your position, have a role.
32:29If you meet Mian Nawaz Sharif, what will you say?
32:32One or two things, where is he wrong and what should be done?
32:35No, we have to find a way.
32:36Look, the whole matter is wrong.
32:38What is happening in the country today, this country cannot tolerate this matter.
32:44Mian Nawaz Sharif is the one who should be recognized for this matter.
32:48For 40 years, no one in Pakistan has been given so much time.
32:5240 years.
32:53If we cannot find a solution today, then who will find a solution tomorrow?
32:59Before I tell you, if you meet Imran Khan, what will you tell him?
33:03I will tell him the same thing.
33:05Find a solution.
33:06What solution will you suggest if you have to do it?
33:10Sir, I have only one solution.
33:11You all sit down and decide how the country will move forward.
33:15Staying within the constitution.
33:16The army should sit down, the judge should sit down, the politicians should sit down.
33:20Sir, why should the army sit down?
33:21Why should the judge sit down?
33:22What does it have to do with this?
33:23Sir, today that politician is a part of the constitution.
33:25You have made him a part of the constitution.
33:28Sir, look at the constitution.
33:30The army is also a part of it.
33:31Judiciary is also a part of it.
33:32Sir, but you have to follow the constitution.
33:34I am not going out of the constitution.
33:38There is nothing in the constitution that the army and judiciary cannot sit down.
33:41There is nothing in the constitution that they should take part in politics.
33:43They have taken an oath to take part in politics.
33:44Sir, whether they take part in politics or not,
33:46but today the judiciary and the army are also a part of this country's affairs.
33:51That is a fact.
33:53That is why today when you decide the agenda, you will have to sit down.
33:58People should see.
33:59Look, the constitution is absolutely present.
34:01I am also in favor of the constitution.
34:03Look, when you are finding a solution to an issue, you have to understand the facts.
34:08There should be a practical solution.
34:10I am not going out of the constitution.
34:12You are going out of the constitution.
34:14Sir, you and I can debate this.
34:16Is there a need to make a new constitution?
34:19Sir, what is the harm in making a new constitution?
34:22If Imran clubs come, leave it.
34:24That is a new constitution.
34:26That is also a new constitution.
34:28That is also a new constitution.
34:30Tell me, a new social contract.
34:33How to run this country?
34:35Which you call the charter of democracy.
34:38Something like that.
34:39The social contract cannot be better than this.
34:42Have you ever implemented it?
34:44Have you ever accepted it?
34:46If you agree, we will come together and make the same decision.
34:48You will agree.
34:49Sir, I am saying this.
34:50You sit down.
34:51Stay within the constitution.
34:52Decide the future agenda.
34:53And make a government that will implement that agenda in the next four years.
34:57So that the borders of the country can be corrected.
34:59You give all the seats to a Jamaat today.
35:02I did.
35:03You cannot do anything.
35:04I did.
35:05You cannot do anything.
35:07You cannot do anything.
35:08So, what you are saying is,
35:10you will have to sit down.
35:12Everyone has to sit down.
35:13Yes, sit down.
35:14Now they say sit down.
35:15Sir, we have to decide the agenda.
35:16Not to have a discussion.
35:18Not to divide the power.
35:20Sir, the government says, don't tell us the agenda.
35:22You sit with us without any condition.
35:24Sir, I am talking about the country's agenda.
35:27I am not talking about the personal agenda.
35:29You have not signed any document.
35:31I have signed 788.
35:34There will be a doomsday.
35:37The government is being defamed.
35:39It is the government's weakness
35:41that imposes 788 on innocent people.
35:44It is kept in jail like this.
35:47Take it out.
35:49What difference does it make?
35:50What difference does it make?
35:51There will be a doomsday.
35:52Look, that day,
35:53Mr. Fawad was narrating this incident.
35:55I have heard that this incident,
35:56this conversation is also correct.
35:58Maulana Fazl-e-Uman went to meet Mr. Rana Sinhaullah.
36:00Maulana said, take it out.
36:03What are you doing?
36:04He said, if you take it out,
36:05the government will fall.
36:06If you get an election done,
36:07two-thirds will come.
36:08And then we will go to jail.
36:10He will come to power.
36:12Yesterday, Mr. Javed Lateef,
36:14I was in Mr. Badami's TV program.
36:16He said, it is not possible
36:17that the government goes to jail
36:18and the jailer comes to power.
36:19This is a fear.
36:21Sir, we will have to get rid of this fear.
36:23If everyone is afraid of each other,
36:25then everyone is put in jail.
36:29Look, these are small things.
36:32The importance of the country is more.
36:34Because of one person's stay in jail
36:36or new residence,
36:38there is a political and economic
36:40upheaval in the country.
36:42You have to accept the facts.
36:44Look, if you were lucky,
36:46it would have been unacceptable.
36:48If it had happened, it would have been irrelevant.
36:50This debate is the most irrelevant
36:52because he is popular also.
36:54Sir, which political leader
36:56went to jail and became unacceptable?
36:58This is correct.
37:01You were in power at that time.
37:03You were allowed to go to the red zone
37:05and not to go to D-chowk.
37:07You went to the red zone
37:09and now you have to go to D-chowk.
37:11All the offices of the ministry
37:13were under his control.
37:15He had a check post
37:17for all the ministers.
37:19We used to pass through the jungle.
37:21What happened this time?
37:23He said, we won't let you do it.
37:25This is out of our time.
37:27And the bullets were fired.
37:29What difference does it make?
37:31It makes a difference
37:33between Mian Nawaz Sharif
37:35and Mian Shahbaz Sharif.
37:37You are saying that Mian Nawaz Sharif
37:39is not aware of this.
37:41On one hand, you say that
37:43Mian Nawaz Sharif is the leader of the party
37:45and Shahbaz Sharif is not a part of the country
37:47without Mian Nawaz Sharif.
37:49What are you doing?
37:51You are saying that Mian Nawaz Sharif
37:53is not aware of this.
37:55I cannot accept that Mian Nawaz Sharif
37:58is not aware of this.
38:00I will speak on the basis of the reality
38:02that I have known for 35 years.
38:04The bullets could have been fired
38:06at that time as well.
38:08People used to say that
38:10they will clear the area in half an hour.
38:12There were not 50 people
38:14in the D-chowk during the day.
38:16But it didn't happen.
38:18Now, in 2013,
38:20the PTI
38:22said that
38:24they will not let the government
38:27go to KPK.
38:29I don't want to agree with you
38:31because I know
38:33the power of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
38:35If Mian Nawaz Sharif says
38:37that this will not happen,
38:39then it will not happen.
38:41You are saying that
38:43he is running a party
38:45and you are saying that
38:47he is running a government.
38:49I am saying that
38:51he will be held accountable
38:53whether he accepts it or not.
38:56But what is his compulsion
38:58that he will remain silent?
39:00I don't know what is the compulsion
39:02in politics.
39:04In politics, there is one compulsion
39:06and the people call it.
39:08If the people of your country are in pain,
39:10then you have no compulsion
39:12or excuse.
39:14Then what is the compulsion?
39:16I am asking you to help us understand.
39:18I am out of my mind.
39:20The way the government is running
39:22and the country is running,
39:25I am thinking all day
39:27what is the solution
39:29and how will we move forward.
39:31Everyone is asking questions
39:33and I don't have an answer.
39:35And you think
39:37they are thinking
39:39Mian Shabaz Sharif and company?
39:41I hope so.
39:43The Prime Minister of the country
39:45is not thinking.
39:47Who is thinking?
39:49I hope so.
39:51I don't think so.
39:53If we have a rational approach
39:55to life in this country,
39:57what is the rational approach
39:59to life in this country?
40:01It's a conversation.
40:03It's not a joke.
40:05I want to get a seat
40:07and leave the jail.
40:09If I were Imran Khan,
40:11I would say that I am in jail
40:13and I will solve the country's problems.
40:15Imran Khan,
40:17even if he comes tomorrow,
40:19the country will not be settled
40:21I don't understand, why again for the life of me, I don't understand, please make me
40:32understand.
40:33Why doesn't he take his role?
40:34He can give this answer.
40:35Look, it's not his role, it's his responsibility.
40:36He is the head of the party.
40:37I said that people don't know anyone else.
40:38Those who vote for PMLN, they know Mian Nawaz Sharif.
40:39Let's go.
40:40Let's take a break, we will be back after the break.
40:57Welcome back, viewers.
40:58Everyone will say this again and again.
40:59Those who know democracy, those who suggest solutions to it, they will say, solution to
41:00the problem.
41:01Sit down, listen to me, listen to me, listen to me, listen to me, listen to me, listen to
41:02me.
41:03Allah hafiz.