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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17First of all, you all know that Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not
00:24a big deal.
00:25Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
00:55Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
01:25Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
01:55Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
02:25Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
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02:46Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
02:53Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:00Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:07Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:21Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:28Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
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03:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:54Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
03:59Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:04Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:09Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:44Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:54Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
04:59Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:04Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:09Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:44Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:54Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
05:59Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:04Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:09Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:44Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:54Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
06:59Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:04Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:09Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:44Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:54Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
07:59Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:04Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:09Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:14Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:44Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
08:49Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:19Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:24Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:29Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:34Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:39Pakistan is out of the Champions League, but it is not a big deal.
09:44Sometimes, people say it.
09:59In the case of discharging a bomb, the PTI made videos and posted them.
10:04In the case of discharging a bomb, the PTI made videos and posted them.
10:09they didn't have any ID.
10:11So, it is possible that
10:13there was air-firing to scare them
10:15or something like that.
10:17But nothing more than that.
10:19Till then you didn't believe in air-firing.
10:21No, I am saying that if it happened,
10:23then it is of ISRA.
10:25And second thing is that 7 people
10:27out of which 3 rangers and 4 policemen
10:29were also martyred.
10:31Their officer's statement is of 12.
10:33And above 12, they are many.
10:35But the poor rangers who were crushed
10:37were from 280.
10:39No, they were from 1000s.
10:41They always start from 1000s.
10:43And second thing is that
10:45when TLP was coming to Islambad
10:47to protest,
10:4945 people were martyred.
10:51And that was at their behest.
10:53If they want to play this game,
10:55then it will go on for a long time.
10:57It won't stay till here.
10:59The thing is that federal government
11:01can allow some group to attack
11:03Islambad and close the capital.
11:05Especially when there is an SCO.
11:07Especially when there is
11:09a president of Belarus or
11:11some other international delegation.
11:13You are talking about a president of Belarus
11:15as if he is a democrat
11:17of some big democratic country.
11:19The president of Belarus is a
11:21strict dictator who has
11:23done a lot of atrocities in his country.
11:25He is doing good business with us.
11:27He is announcing 2 billion.
11:29We are more than happy.
11:31But it doesn't mean that he was
11:33the president of Belarus.
11:35No, no, no.
11:37Don't look at the president of Belarus
11:39only from the background.
11:41He is a very good friend of Putin.
11:43He has a lot of support behind him.
11:45Look at it from that perspective.
11:47Then tell me about the SCO.
11:49How many countries...
11:51These days you have started
11:53this thing.
11:55If you want to deal with Putin,
11:57then talk to a Belarusian.
11:59If you want to deal with Trump,
12:01then talk to Mohammad bin Salman.
12:03These days you are using a proxy.
12:05Foreign policy is obvious.
12:07You have to be very careful.
12:09You use your relations
12:11to safeguard the interests of the country.
12:13There is nothing wrong with it.
12:15What dangerous games are you playing?
12:17There is a serious need in the KP.
12:19There are big operations.
12:21There are massacres every day.
12:23That day I saw a young lieutenant
12:25being martyred.
12:27Young people are being martyred.
12:29Your politics is not ending.
12:35You will play another game
12:37with the Nationalists.
12:39Didn't you remember the Nationalists
12:41before?
12:43They have been beating their problems
12:45for 6 months.
12:47You might be ready to sleep
12:49with the devil also.
12:51The game you are playing
12:53with the Nationalists in Balochistan.
12:55I will not say Nationalists,
12:57I will say synth-separatists.
12:59If you ignore all their
13:01narrow political gains,
13:03then you will give more
13:05importance to those who
13:07think they can do anything
13:09for the political interests.
13:11First of all,
13:13I appreciate that you
13:15mentioned Ali Amin.
13:17Senator Afnan said
13:19at least now state acknowledges
13:21that a bullet was fired.
13:23Now see where the determinant
13:25is.
13:27He is saying that even if the bullet
13:29was fired, it was fired on purpose.
13:31We brought the 14 dead bodies
13:33in front of us.
13:35Their statements are in front of us.
13:37Even that says that
13:39Sain is the 26th president.
13:41When we were young in the 90s,
13:43we were told that
13:45Altaf Hussain is a bad person.
13:47We all thought that he is
13:49going against the big state.
13:51The heart of the state is very big.
13:53They have to listen to it.
13:55When Maharang Baloch came here,
13:57I used to wonder what this woman
13:59was doing.
14:01Ultimately, when I heard her speech
14:03where she said that if you
14:05determine whether a person is
14:07dead or alive, then at least
14:09we will have patience.
14:11You just have to listen to what
14:13they have to say.
14:15Why didn't you listen to them
14:17when you were in the government
14:19for four years?
14:21When peace came in Balochistan,
14:23how did it come?
14:25Mr. Khan was the first person
14:27who said you need to engage them.
14:29We are the government
14:31who said that KP can't be operated.
14:33You need to talk to the people.
14:35Who gave you the advice to talk to the Taliban?
14:37Because all your body distances
14:39are in Pashtun.
14:41Now you are putting all the blame on yourself
14:43that you brought it and resettled it.
14:45We resettled it.
14:47The issue was that at that time
14:49the influx was coming from
14:51a small government of KPK.
14:53All the stakeholders were present.
14:55When you take credit,
14:57when you take credit,
14:59then you have to bear the burden.
15:01On one hand, you say
15:03that we talked and negotiated.
15:05When it comes to the fallout,
15:07you say that we didn't do it.
15:09There is no such question.
15:11We are owning it.
15:13When did I say that?
15:15We said that we want you to engage.
15:17The biggest issue in Pakistan
15:19is that every person
15:21hates Punjab.
15:23Do you remember two people?
15:25I will remind you of two names.
15:27Ali Wazir and Mohsin Dawar.
15:29What did you do in your time?
15:31How much did you fight?
15:33No, no, no.
15:35Forget about whataboutism.
15:37What did you do with those two people?
15:39If you had so many dialogues
15:41and if you were taking decisions
15:43then what did you do with those two people?
15:45Those two people came to our government
15:47as MNAs.
15:49If you had so many opponents
15:51and if the system was with us
15:53then what did you do with them?
15:55I still tell people that
15:57Ali Wazir's production order should have been issued.
15:59It should have been issued at that time
16:01who are not issuing the production order
16:03today.
16:05When they are in the opposition
16:07they say very good things.
16:09When they are in the government
16:11they also say bad things.
16:13Let me make an argument.
16:15There is a growing hatred against Punjab.
16:17Everywhere.
16:19In Balochistan, Sindh and KP.
16:21What happened with KP in the last two years
16:23Rishalpur firing in Islamabad
16:25there is a growing hatred.
16:27Similarly in Balochistan
16:29there was a bus incident four days ago.
16:31It was removed. Everything is wrong.
16:33But somewhere you have to address it.
16:35How do you address it? There are only two ways.
16:37Either you will engage or you will operate.
16:39The situation in Balochistan
16:41if it is that easy
16:43then the provincial government is with you.
16:45We can go against you.
16:47Ali Amin or PTI can become an issue.
16:49Sarfaraz Bugti is with you.
16:51You operate. We are not stopping you.
16:53Just because the local population
16:55until you talk to them
16:57they will not be on board with you.
16:59No operation can succeed.
17:01Until and unless the local warlords
17:03and local population become sensitive
17:05towards the issue.
17:07The problem is that there is no one
17:09who is ready to listen to you.
17:11Whatever sacrifice our army is making
17:13there should have been rhetoric.
17:15We should have sold the world.
17:17Look at what is happening with us.
17:19What is happening with us on the belt of Afghanistan?
17:21What is happening with us on the belt of Balochistan?
17:23What is happening with us on the belt of Iran?
17:25And the world has accredited us.
17:27But the people who are sitting in Islamabad
17:29who have been imposed here
17:31their own credibility
17:33they are not able to make rhetoric.
17:35The problem is that the government
17:37your KPK government used to say
17:39that there is only a land dispute between two tribes.
17:41Now the same Ali Mahmood Ghadapur
17:43says that this is a 103 year old dispute.
17:45This is not the only issue.
17:47There is also sectarianism.
17:49There is also international funding and financing.
17:51They have jumped in.
17:53Whatever the government is
17:55whether it is yours or theirs
17:57it seems as if they have taken an oath
17:59that they will not speak the truth.
18:01Initially when the issue of Qoram came up
18:03it was a sensitive issue.
18:05Initially when the issue of Qoram came up
18:07it was a sensitive issue.
18:09That is why the government is a bit sensitive.
18:11That is why the government is a bit sensitive.
18:13Why are you so worried?
18:15I say that the separatists meet the nationalists
18:17in PTI, Sindh and Balochistan.
18:19in PTI, Sindh and Balochistan.
18:21So there should be dialogue.
18:23Why are you so worried?
18:25Why are you so worried?
18:27The reason is that PTI's policy
18:29is to invoke Pakistan's fault lines.
18:31is to invoke Pakistan's fault lines.
18:33The government has said that
18:35there is an increasing hatred
18:37against Punjab.
18:39This is a part of their policy.
18:41They want the country to be…
18:43My request…
18:45My request…
18:47My request…
18:49My request…
18:51My request…
18:53My request…
18:55My request…
18:57My request…
18:59My request…
19:01So there are fault lines, right?
19:03No, there are fault lines everywhere.
19:05So then there is no point in addressing them?
19:07No, they are not addressing them.
19:09Look, you tell me, they brought back 40,000 Taliban
19:11and ruined the security of the entire country.
19:13And they are saying that our policy was right.
19:15Brother, what you got was absolutely right,
19:17you ruined it.
19:19Did Imran Khan...
19:21Can you hear me?
19:23I am asking you the same question.
19:25I am asking you the same question.
19:27I am asking you the same question.
19:29Can Imran Khan not bring back
19:31five Afghanis to the mosque of General Bajwa?
19:33No, no.
19:35Look, the thing is
19:37there was a briefing in the parliament
19:39on this particular issue.
19:41And the parliamentarians stood up and said
19:43to both General Bajwa and General Faiz
19:45that if you don't do this, the entire country will be ruined.
19:47And they were supporting them.
19:49The thing is
19:51the thing is
19:53that in your watch,
19:55being the Prime Minister,
19:57and being the Prime Minister
19:59of the KP, this has happened.
20:01And you are doing it as if
20:03you are making a joke out of it.
20:05That we have ruined the security of the entire country.
20:07And you didn't think of the Pashtuns.
20:09You are remembering a lot of injustice.
20:11Didn't you think at that time
20:13that the people we are bringing back
20:15and the people we are killing
20:17and the people we are martyring
20:19will be done in a better time.
20:21So all these things, and then
20:23the government has been given 500 billion rupees.
20:25How many programs have I sat in?
20:27They don't have three projects
20:29that they can count.
20:31They don't have anything
20:33except the health card.
20:35Do you know what the fourth biggest project
20:37in the KP is?
20:39I went and found out
20:41their presentation myself.
20:43Do you know what the fourth biggest project was?
20:45They were advertising it themselves
20:47that we have put a transformer worth 3 billion rupees in the KP.
20:49This is their fourth biggest project.
20:51The budget for that is 1754 billion rupees.
20:53If you ask them what they have done,
20:55no one has an answer.
20:57The people of the cabinet say that you are corrupt.
20:59They say that you are corrupt.
21:01Some say that the minister is corrupt.
21:03I think these two issues are very serious.
21:05The separatist task force in Sindh
21:07and Luchistan.
21:09They are trying to create a ruckus in Pakistan.
21:11Because the issue is
21:13the fault line.
21:15Do you really believe
21:17that the fault line exists?
21:19Of course it exists.
21:21If the fault line exists,
21:23then we should talk to a stakeholder.
21:25Listen to their argument.
21:27Instead of finding a solution,
21:29they are exploiting it.
21:31Let's listen to Salman Akhar Wajah
21:33and Sadat Kaisar.
21:35Then I think
21:37the situation will be clear.
21:51All the stakeholders
21:53should sit together
21:55and think about Pakistan.
21:57Because
21:59the sovereignty
22:01of Pakistan
22:03and the integrity
22:05of Pakistan
22:07is in danger.
22:09Everyone will stand up
22:11for the people of Pakistan.
22:13And that will happen
22:15when the law and the constitution will be implemented.
22:17The real problem of Pakistan
22:19is that the voice of the people
22:21is not heard.
22:23The decisions are made in closed rooms.
22:25The decisions are made for the benefit
22:27of those who are not among us.
22:29Whose lives are not like ours.
22:31Whose property is outside the country.
22:33Whose children's future
22:35is outside the country.
22:37We have to create prosperity in this country.
22:39We have to raise our voice
22:41for the victory of this country.
22:43We have to raise our voice
22:45for the poor and the workers of this country.
22:47We ask for your help.
22:49We ask for your support.
22:51Today, the whole of Pakistan is united
22:53against this fascism.
22:55So we are standing
22:57in this city.
22:59We are asking for the right.
23:01We are asking for the right of Sindh.
23:03We are asking for the right of the people of Karachi.
23:05We have come here to be the voice of Sindh.
23:07To be the voice of Pakistan.
23:09Be it the issue of water.
23:11Be it the issue of raw dacoits.
23:13Or be it the issue of fake dacoits
23:15We are standing with the people of Sindh
23:17and the people of Pakistan
23:19against everyone.
23:45Interprovincial rivalry
23:47will only increase
23:49if they stand with you.
24:15We are bringing all the issues.
24:17Be it the issue of Maharang, Sindh
24:19or Pashtun.
24:21It will be on our agenda.
24:23Imran Khan will not be involved in their agenda.
24:25It will be on their agenda.
24:27But if it becomes a national agenda
24:29and the state says,
24:31let's sit down and resolve it.
24:33Either you listen to them or you drive them away.
24:35If you drive them away,
24:37what will ultimately happen?
24:39If you make the issue of water,
24:41believe me, it's a lifeline for the Sindh.
24:43But if it creates hatred,
24:45let's talk about it.
25:13How does it serve us?
25:23How does it serve us?
25:25It serves you because you are hitting all the fault lines.
25:27You want the country to be in turmoil.
25:29You want a 1971 situation.
25:31This is your wish.
25:33You are doing this
25:35on the agenda.
25:37Then why are you giving them an open field?
25:39Tell me one thing.
25:41People's Party is your ally party.
25:43They are your allies in your government.
25:45You are talking to them.
25:47It's not happening, but it's not happening.
25:49Those who are taking the nationalist issue
25:51across Sindh,
25:53why don't you talk to them?
25:55Why don't you tell them
25:57that this is our case
25:59and they are wrong?
26:01Our case is that
26:03the water in Punjab
26:05is from Sindh.
26:07The flow of water
26:09is measured
26:11in Sindh and Punjab.
26:13It's not like you can
26:15estimate the flow of water.
26:17It's not like you can
26:19measure the flow of water.
26:21It's all metering.
26:23The control is not just Vifaq.
26:25The rest of the provinces are also looking at it.
26:27Either there is an issue
26:29that the water has been reduced
26:31or Punjab can redistribute
26:33the water as they wish.
26:35These two issues
26:37don't matter to them.
26:39They are very happy.
26:41These two issues of terrorism
26:43and the water-indirectly green initiative
26:45will further
26:47exasperate
26:49your already
26:51existing water-indirectly green initiative.
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29:13So that thing is exploited everywhere and they look at it from a different angle.
29:18Mr. Kasar, please listen to what he has just said.
29:20We have come here to discuss with you.
29:24And on this occasion, we are arranging a conference,
29:29in which we are making an agenda, which will be held on 26th and 27th in Istanbul, God willing.
29:35So that the people who are facing various crises at the moment,
29:39such as the MPAC in Balochistan,
29:43which state is it in? Bolan?
29:48Bolan, Sibi.
29:49Sibi, Bolan.
29:51And where has the state gone?
29:54Where has the state gone?
29:56I mean, the situation is very dangerous.
29:59I understand that as a Pakistani, we are very worried about it.
30:05And I won't say that we are worried, but...
30:12I am saying this because when we go around these power corridors,
30:16we hear very interesting conversations.
30:18I was listening to this earlier incident, and we were talking about it today as well,
30:23that when there is a government, they don't do anything themselves,
30:26and suddenly, KOLU is out, BOLAN is out, and so on.
30:31Which is very good that you are doing this now.
30:33The conference that took place, this should happen, it should be discussed.
30:37Are you like, strengthening their perception,
30:41that no, your fight will not be about personalities, it will be about power?
30:46Let's call it spade a spade.
30:48First of all, what should be accepted is that the issue persists there,
30:51and the issue is not economic.
30:53There is Rekodak, there are minerals, there is the golden bird, Balochistan.
30:56Get out of this mindset.
30:58This is not under our control.
31:00Until and unless you don't have a political stability in Balochistan,
31:03you can't move forward.
31:05The model of Balochistan has been replicated in Punjab as well,
31:08that you will call people of your choice, you will become MNA from here, you will become from there.
31:11But the model of Balochistan has become very outdated.
31:14You will place people of your choice, and it will not be a true representation.
31:18You see, in Gawadar case, we had people like Zubaida Jalal and Dr. Malik.
31:23The person who I called today, happens to be Pablo Escobar.
31:26He does drug dealing there.
31:28We had people like Dehra Bhukti and CBB there.
31:31It was Shahzain Bhukti or someone else.
31:33At least they had political mileage.
31:35Now people have heard that the biggest carjacking from Karachi happens from there.
31:38So if you place people of your choice, but do not hold a character,
31:42people will doubt you.
31:44In Balochistan, people have always been elected.
31:48We have never seen general leadership.
31:50Why do you think that lady, Maharaj Baloch, became so popular?
31:54The middle class has come out of this leadership mindset.
31:57They want to have their own choice.
31:59But you realize that if you go and meet Maharaj Baloch,
32:04your delegation, then you will be labeled as anti-state.
32:07This is wrong.
32:09If I talk to him, I will tell him to come and talk to the state.
32:12Our point is to engage people and make the state realize that this issue exists.
32:17If you tell me that your situation is very bad because you want to talk to him,
32:21then there will be no issue in Pakistan.
32:23I will not be able to talk to him because I have already been beaten by him.
32:26If I talk to him, he will cut my tongue.
32:29Then who will talk to him?
32:30He will not talk to him.
32:31Our issue is over.
32:32So let's say that there is no issue in KP.
32:34There is no issue in Balochistan.
32:36This is the report of every kid.
32:37Let's go to Rekrotek.
32:38What is wrong with this?
32:39If you are meeting, having breakfast, having a conference in Islamabad,
32:42calling everyone, there will be a multi-faceted agenda.
32:45You will talk to everyone.
32:46Instead of doing this work of the government,
32:48instead of doing this work, you should tag people who meet you.
32:51You are an anti-state, you are an enemy of the country.
32:53You should not do anything yourself.
32:54This was your job as a government.
32:57We have engaged as a government.
32:59Will you just use the stick, that is the government's power.
33:02We are not dependent on the stick.
33:06We have engaged.
33:07If you remember, when they were coming to Islamabad, we told them that they should come here.
33:14We did not do anything to them at that time.
33:17See, political people cannot be against political movements.
33:22The thing is, why do these people in Pakistan,
33:27always go and mess with the things that are spreading.
33:30My question is very simple.
33:32Tell me some constructive work that they have done.
33:35Why don't you address those things that are spreading?
33:38See, in Pakistan,
33:40I have a question.
33:42Is this attitude correct?
33:45If someone does political activism on an unliked issue,
33:50then you should put it in the account of terrorism.
33:53There is one person who does missing persons,
33:57there is one person who talks about that issue.
33:59There is a difference between that terrorist and that political activist.
34:02I am not talking about anyone.
34:04Don't make political activism a terrorism.
34:08I don't think you should make it a terrorism.
34:11You are making it a name.
34:13My question is,
34:15can you tell me if they have done any constructive work?
34:18Forget about the development project.
34:21I am not saying that they have done anything for the democracy of this country.
34:24It was very easy for me,
34:27when we were sitting in the show,
34:30I would have taken out four statements from one person,
34:32and four from you,
34:33and I would have got your swords out.
34:35Everyone would have said that it was a great show.
34:37I have taken two very serious issues.
34:39One is the issue of Balochistan.
34:41In KP, KP's government can change.
34:44In Balochistan, Balochistan's identity can change.
34:47And it is very important how the government treats these people,
34:50and how you treat these people,
34:52and how the state treats both of you.
34:54If anyone does any political activism,
34:57then this country will lose its color.
34:59I am telling you,
35:01this is political activism that they are trying to do.
35:04Otherwise, you can tell me,
35:06if there is any work that benefits the country,
35:09they don't let the SCO conference happen.
35:11They don't let anyone come from outside.
35:13They try to spoil the Champions Trophy.
35:15They write a letter to the IMF.
35:17After that, people who have this track record,
35:19on 26th November and 9th May,
35:21they are going to meet Maharang for the benefit of the country.
35:24So you tell me, who will believe this?
35:26Who will believe this?
35:27Those who have brought back 40,000 Taliban,
35:29have ruined the security of the whole country.
35:32They are saying that they are very worried about Balochistan.
35:35Didn't you worry for four years when you were there?
35:37You are saying the same thing.
35:39You supported what I said,
35:41that he is an unpopular political activist,
35:44whose viewpoint may be closer to the BLA.
35:47It shouldn't be.
35:49But you are saying that if you talk to him,
35:51then you are working against the country.
35:53I am worried about this thought.
35:55I am not a fan of Maharang or his supporters,
35:58but I am talking to the country,
36:00based on the pre-judged decisions you make.
36:03But I am saying that if someone says
36:05that we don't believe in Pakistan,
36:07and we want to break Pakistan,
36:09and a separatist movement,
36:11in which many innocent people have been massacred,
36:14and there is no doubt about it,
36:16and someone supports it,
36:18and they are promoting it.
36:20If they go and promote it,
36:22then how can I support it?
36:24You have given weapons to the BLA commanders.
36:26You have negotiated with them.
36:28Look, the thing is that
36:30neither does he have a ministerial position,
36:32nor does he have a big presence there.
36:34He had a dream one day,
36:36that we will do it in Sindh,
36:38and we will do it in Balochistan as well.
36:40And after that, listen to my request.
36:42It is their country, they can go wherever they want.
36:44It is their country, I am not saying that
36:46we should not spread this rumour.
36:48The thing is that they say that
36:50there is no control of the government
36:52in Sibi and Bolan.
36:54The national highway passes from there.
36:56If there was control,
36:58then how would the national highway pass from there?
37:00Today the national highway would have been closed from there.
37:02There is no way you can travel.
37:04I met the bus driver.
37:06He was a newbie.
37:08I asked him what happened.
37:10He said that he checked his ID card.
37:12And he did it.
37:14Very unfortunate.
37:16But there is one more question.
37:18The local population has a big role.
37:20The incident of Bannu was unfortunate.
37:22Do you remember?
37:24The people of Bannu came out on the streets.
37:26Even we were not able to control it.
37:28Ali Ameen Gandapur tried his level best
37:30Now you cannot operate.
37:32When your local population
37:34has its own mind frame, you cannot start.
37:36The problem is that in KPK, in some districts
37:38and in Balochistan, in the majority
37:40the local people have made up their mind.
37:42I am telling you.
37:44Gandapur should get some time.
37:46Listen to me.
37:48People are not able to control Gandapur
37:50because all the time
37:52is spent on stopping
37:54Kamran Banges.
37:56All the time is spent on stopping
37:58If this is the mindset
38:00that you are saying
38:02that you do not accept the rationality
38:04that the issue exists
38:06and you put all the blame on us
38:08because Asad Qaisar has
38:10done it by doing a press conference
38:12We have to highlight the issue.
38:14You have to find the solution.
38:16And if the state does not realize this
38:18at the end of the day
38:20There is traffic on the Kurram road.
38:22Half an hour of traffic
38:24Two hours of firing.
38:26They are saying
38:28that there is no control there.
38:30Neither should the train pass from there
38:32nor should the traffic pass from there.
38:34You are saying that Balochistan is safe.
38:36I am not saying that it is safe.
38:38I myself went to Balochistan
38:40a month ago to Quetta.
38:42They were saying that I did not
38:44go out of the camp.
38:46I was with another senator
38:48and a driver and a guard.
38:50I was not inside the camp.
38:52I was outside the camp.
38:54I was outside the camp.
38:56I was not outside the camp.
39:00We have run out of time.
39:02We have run out of time.
39:04We have run out of time.
39:06Thank you both.
39:08Please take a break.
39:16Welcome back to the show.
39:18The important thing is that
39:20there are two very serious issues.
39:22There is a major operation
39:24going on inside the KP.
39:26We need political support
39:28and a political framework.
39:30Otherwise, like before,
39:32this operation will fail
39:34because even if the terrorists
39:36are removed,
39:38the local establishment
39:40and the administration
39:42will be able to hold them.
39:44This is a very complicated issue.
39:46We were talking about the same
39:48issue in Balochistan.
39:50I think there will be a clash
39:52between the government
39:54and the PTI.
39:56They are equating the PTI
39:58with the Green Initiative.
40:00There are two very serious
40:02needs in Pakistan.
40:04One is that everyone
40:06should be able to talk.
40:08There is a core group
40:10that everyone should be able
40:12to talk to.
40:14There is a very large group
40:16in every movement
40:18that wants to put
40:20the political activists
40:22and the terrorists
40:24in the same room.
40:26The political activists
40:28always say things
40:30that the government
40:32does not like.
40:34But what is freedom?
40:36Freedom is the right
40:38to say what others
40:40don't want to hear.
40:42This is very important
40:44in Pakistan.
40:46This is not good
40:48for any country.