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In the latest episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast, Gary Tanguay and Bob Ryan take a pulse on the NBA, the Celtics bench woes, the NBA In-Season Tournament, and much more!  0:00 Teaser 0:54 Intro 1:31 Taking a pulse on the NBA 4:02 When will LeBron James retire? 8:52 FanDuel Sportsbook 9:32 Should Celtics do something about their bench with Payton Pritchard struggling? 13:12 What bench player in NBA history stands out? 17:05 NBA In-Season Tournament 19:32 Jamal Murray hamstring injury 26:02 Outro  This episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, Official Partner of the NFL. 21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $5 pregame moneyline wager required. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  ODDS-R! Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter OddsR. They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket. Especially since CLNS Media listeners get a 30-day free trial! Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/celtics  Visit https://factormeals.com/NEWSFEED50 to get 50% off your first box! Factor is America’s #1 Ready-To-Eat Meal Kit, can help you fuel up fast with ready-to-eat meals delivered straight to your door.

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00:00 And from day one, I've been a booster of Peyton Pritchard.

00:03 And I'd love him to assert himself

00:08 and become a reliable guy off the bench,

00:11 doing what he does, shooting those threes.

00:13 It hasn't manifested itself yet this season,

00:16 although there were a couple of exhibition explosions

00:19 that got me very excited.

00:20 You know, I got 26 and 25,

00:22 and I'm saying, "Ah, it's gonna happen."

00:23 They're gonna, you know, and so far it hasn't happened

00:26 in the early part of this season,

00:29 in their first seven games.

00:31 But he would be the answer.

00:33 If he could be that guy,

00:35 that would be, I'd be very happy with that.

00:38 But, you know, you can't say it's gonna happen.

00:42 So, but they, the bench thing is a concern.

00:46 I mean, I go back to the fact that I was terrified

00:48 at the first two games of the season,

00:50 their bench production, 20 points total

00:52 in the first two games of the season.

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01:31 Okay, Bob, gonna talk about the Lakers

01:34 kicking things off here,

01:35 because right now you know who is out again.

01:38 You know, a hip injury with Anthony Davis,

01:41 and they're three and five.

01:43 - Yeah.

01:44 - And, but I know generally the rule of thumb

01:47 is with teams like this is like, okay, they're veterans.

01:50 You know, they'll come around, you know, playoff time.

01:54 They did last year.

01:55 Will they?

01:56 Or is time gonna catch up with these guys?

01:58 - I'm gonna run the risk on this Veterans Day weekend

02:04 to be, you know, cited Memorial Day weekend

02:10 as saying that Bob Ryan said back in November

02:12 that the Lakers were yesterday's news.

02:14 And I believe that.

02:15 They're yesterday's news.

02:17 They obsess everybody always.

02:20 That's understandable, the history of the Lakers.

02:23 And particularly since they, in this modern,

02:26 no doubt they have LeBron, they've had LeBron.

02:29 But I think they're yesterday's news.

02:31 And the new news, no new news is the fact that,

02:35 as you alluded to, their best player,

02:38 who is still, is Anthony Davis now,

02:40 or one of their two equal best players,

02:43 is unreliable, you know, physically.

02:46 Too bad, 'cause he's a wonderful player.

02:48 - Oh, he's great.

02:49 - He's a wonderful player.

02:50 I love watching him play.

02:51 He knows how to play, you know,

02:53 but he's perpetually hurt.

02:55 And anyway, I just think they're yesterday's news.

02:58 I just think they're in a West

03:01 where there's a lot of dangerous teams.

03:03 I think they're not a threat to anybody's security,

03:07 quite frankly.

03:08 - Well, even if they're healthy,

03:09 I don't know if they're the threat they once were.

03:13 - No, they're not.

03:14 I'm, that's what I'm saying.

03:15 I mean-

03:16 - Okay, so you're taking the injury out of the equation.

03:19 - Yeah, we're back to the,

03:21 who's the best team in town argument now again?

03:24 You know, even though the Clippers haven't done anything

03:26 since James, well, two games, that's not fair.

03:29 We'll see what they do.

03:29 Of course, there's another team

03:31 that you can't rely on the people to be there.

03:35 - Right.

03:35 - And of course, part of that is this

03:37 obsessive load management stuff that, you know,

03:40 that Kawhi has gotten into.

03:43 And anyway, but I've been back to Lakers.

03:45 No, they're just, you know,

03:47 they're just not that good, period.

03:49 But they're an object of great interest always.

03:52 As, you know, I also had a Celtics, you know,

03:53 these are the two ultimately iconic teams

03:56 in the history of the league.

03:57 They have dominated the league, you know,

04:00 in terms of championships more than any other two.

04:02 But yeah, I just think that I'm tired

04:06 of talking about the Lakers quite frankly,

04:08 until they do stand out.

04:09 I don't think they're going to do anything

04:10 to make us talk about them.

04:11 - Well, you know, I'm always of the theory

04:14 that a player should play as long as they want.

04:17 And I hear, have heard so many times

04:20 on sports radio and so forth,

04:22 oh, he's got to retire.

04:23 You know, we even heard it with Brady.

04:24 Brady should hang it up.

04:26 You know, I mean, what are you doing?

04:28 You know, did Bobby Orr play too long?

04:30 I mean, on and on and on.

04:32 You know what?

04:32 It's your life.

04:33 This is what they do.

04:34 So, you know, with LeBron, the question is going to be,

04:37 LeBron, if you guys don't have a shot at winning,

04:39 what are you doing it for?

04:40 Should you go produce movies?

04:41 Should you go, you know, do that sort of thing?

04:44 But he's still, I mean, he's still a top 20 player.

04:47 - Oh God, yeah.

04:48 No, he is.

04:49 - If you want to play, you know what, God,

04:51 play as long as you can.

04:53 - Well, you know, Brady's the ultimate example

04:56 in our modern time of that.

04:58 And you go back two generations or so,

05:00 when I was Gordie Howe.

05:02 You know, I watched him play hockey at 50

05:03 and he still was a good player.

05:05 So yeah, I see what you're saying.

05:07 And it's not like he's embarrassing himself.

05:09 This isn't. - No.

05:10 - You know, the great standard,

05:12 the sad great standard of one incident

05:15 that people refer to as the example

05:18 of what you don't want to be is Willie Mays

05:20 in the World Series.

05:22 - Right, Willie Mays.

05:23 - And you know, it's falling down.

05:25 And you don't want that.

05:26 That's the standard that you don't want.

05:28 Well, LeBron is far from that.

05:29 He's still a hell of a player.

05:31 - Of course.

05:31 - If he's not the player of 10 years ago, that's fine.

05:35 He's still, you're right.

05:36 He's a top fill in the blank player.

05:37 Is it 20?

05:38 Is it 15?

05:39 Is it 10?

05:40 Whatever, he's still a damn good player.

05:42 But you know, so he's not, you know,

05:43 he's still very good.

05:46 You know, no team would-

05:47 - I feel like, you know, I've always been a LeBron fan.

05:50 There have been some, you know, as a person,

05:53 look, I don't know if he's a cheap tipper.

05:55 Who knows?

05:56 We hear all these things.

05:57 (laughing)

05:58 Oh my God, he's a horrible tipper.

05:59 You know, we always heard that about Bird and blah, blah,

06:01 blah, blah.

06:02 Well, you know, if the only thing you could say bad

06:04 about a guy is that allegedly he was a horrible tipper

06:07 and that he did an ill-advised television show

06:10 to go to Miami, I mean, get over it.

06:13 You know?

06:14 - The decision.

06:15 - So what?

06:16 Get over it.

06:17 I mean, it looked bad.

06:18 It was bad.

06:19 Okay, move on.

06:20 I'm still a LeBron guy and I'm like,

06:22 dude, play as long as you want.

06:24 You know, I would love to see him get on a team

06:26 that could contend, you know,

06:28 where he could be part of something.

06:30 But he's had his run.

06:31 - He's had his day.

06:33 - He's had his day.

06:34 So it's not like he needs a title, right.

06:36 - He's had his trips in three cities.

06:38 Come on.

06:39 - Yeah, yeah, no, no.

06:40 You're in trouble.

06:42 Yeah, so, but I'm just saying the Lakers,

06:44 let's just, I just like to put a halt on that.

06:47 - Okay, we're done with the Lakers.

06:48 We'll go on to your new favorite team.

06:51 - Well, I'm curious,

06:52 the most intriguing, interesting story

06:55 that came out of nowhere,

06:56 is coming out of nowhere,

06:58 is some nights, you know,

06:59 disruptions that the Pacers are having.

07:02 - Right.

07:03 - I mean, you know, so far they've broken 140,

07:06 well, 143 on opening night, 152.

07:11 They've also given up 155 to the Celtics,

07:16 but they, you know, their scores,

07:18 I mean, this is un-Carlyle-like.

07:21 Rick Carlyle's, I don't know where this is coming from,

07:24 absolutely, but to me, you know,

07:27 that's been intriguing.

07:28 They're six and three,

07:30 and, you know, they,

07:31 you never know what you're gonna get out of this

07:34 on a given night with them,

07:35 but they haven't had,

07:36 they've had some big nights,

07:38 and so that's, I just find that interesting,

07:41 and I'm just curious, of all people,

07:42 'cause, you know, you don't think of Rick Carlyle

07:44 as a guy to be governing a team

07:46 that would score 140 points a game.

07:48 - Right. - In a game.

07:49 - No, no, no, right, right, right, right, right, right.

07:50 - No, no, they got a guy that I would like to get my,

07:53 I would have loved to have gotten my hands on, you know,

07:55 and we're gonna, you know,

07:57 we know the Celtics need,

07:58 they're not whole.

07:59 Then there's a couple of areas where they could improve,

08:04 and one of them would be scoring off the bench.

08:06 - Right.

08:07 - I would have loved to have gotten my hands on Buddy Heald,

08:10 and, you know, Buddy Heald is now 30 years old.

08:13 He's a career 16 points a game guy

08:15 and a career 40 point, 40% three-point shooter,

08:20 and he's out there doing his thing now for them very nicely,

08:24 and I would love to have gotten my hands on Buddy Heald.

08:26 I don't care if he couldn't guard a hat rack, you know,

08:28 we need that kind of guy,

08:30 and we, you know, they could well use a guy,

08:34 a sniper of that type.

08:35 - Oh, I mean, we'll see what happens

08:37 around the trade deadline.

08:37 It's in the hands of the Celts.

08:38 - Yeah, no, I'm just throwing it out there,

08:40 but, and by the way, I'm happy for Rick Carlisle.

08:42 I like him very much personally,

08:45 but boy, this is, it's just fun.

08:47 I mean, this comes out of nowhere,

08:49 the Pacers being a team that would run up 140.

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09:32 - The other guy that just popped up on the web

09:33 was Terrace Ross, who's available.

09:35 He is a shooter, can come off the bench.

09:38 He was with Orlando and Phoenix and he's available right now.

09:42 So I think, you know, we might start to hear his name.

09:44 - You know, I've always-- - Apparently not a household name.

09:46 Not a household name. - Yeah, no.

09:47 No, I've always, you know, I've been,

09:49 from day one, I've been a booster of Peyton Pritchard.

09:52 And I want, I'd love him to assert himself

09:57 and become a reliable guy off the bench,

10:00 doing what he does, shooting those threes.

10:02 It hasn't manifested itself yet this season,

10:05 although there were a couple of exhibition explosions

10:08 that got me very excited.

10:09 You know, I got 26 and 25 and I'm saying,

10:11 ah, it's gonna happen, they're gonna, you know,

10:13 and so far it hasn't happened in the early part

10:17 of this season, in their first seven games.

10:20 But he would be the answer, if he could be that guy,

10:24 that would be, I'd be very happy with that.

10:27 But, you know, you can't say it's gonna happen.

10:31 So, but they, the bench thing is a concern.

10:35 I mean, I go back to the fact that I was terrified

10:37 at the first two games of the season,

10:39 their bench production, 20 points total

10:41 in the first two games of the season.

10:43 Now in the big, in the aforementioned round of the Pacers,

10:45 the bench scored 69 points in that, you know,

10:49 fiasco of a game that was, you know.

10:52 So, you know, I, the truth is somewhere in the middle,

10:55 obviously, or closer to the 20 than the 69.

10:59 They, but they're gonna, you know,

11:01 I wanna see some consistent bench production.

11:04 - How soon do you think they'll try to pull the trigger?

11:07 Do you think this is gonna come down to the trade deadline

11:09 or is there something Brad needs to get on now?

11:11 - I would like to see him get on it now, you know.

11:14 And, you know, but, you know, if you go back

11:18 to the last truly great season we had in '07-'08,

11:22 they made late moves that were crucial.

11:26 And one of them was getting up P.J. Brown.

11:28 That was important.

11:30 But, you know, picking up Sam Tussauds

11:33 at the time they did was important.

11:35 And one little extra layer of protection that they had.

11:40 But they had a guy all year.

11:42 They had Eddie House.

11:44 - Well, I was gonna say Eddie House.

11:45 - We could get Eddie House back.

11:47 (laughs)

11:47 You know, that Eddie, the '07-'08 Eddie House

11:50 would be one, we're very welcome on this team.

11:53 I can tell you that.

11:54 - Well, a lot of times, you know, we'll talk about

11:56 when we're prognosticating about the playoffs and how,

11:59 well, you know, you don't need to mention the playoffs

12:01 and so forth.

12:01 And I understand it's about the stars,

12:02 but if you go to that year, as Phil Jackson said,

12:06 Leon Powe, right?

12:08 'Cause he was all pissed off.

12:10 - Oh yeah.

12:11 - That Leon Powe had a good game against them.

12:13 But Leon Powe came up, he came up big.

12:15 Eddie House came up big during that series.

12:17 And you just mentioned P.J. Brown made the shot.

12:20 He made the big shot, the winner game, whoever thought.

12:22 I love the story.

12:23 The story is, you know, about how he was truly recruited

12:27 by Paul Pierce specifically.

12:30 Saw him walking down the street.

12:33 I mean, it's just so true.

12:35 - In New Orleans, right?

12:36 In New Orleans.

12:37 - Yeah, rolled down the window and P.J. wondered,

12:40 who's yelling at me?

12:41 You know, saying, and it was Paul Pierce.

12:43 And that was the beginning of the romance.

12:46 And Paul Pierce recruited him and got,

12:49 and that's how he became a, he was a happily retired P.J.

12:54 And now he's a happy recipient of a,

12:56 owner of a championship ring.

12:58 - Yeah.

12:59 - Thanks to Paul Pierce.

13:00 - In what, he played 30 games or whatever?

13:02 I mean, that's good work if you can get it.

13:03 - But you love one, you know, one in particular

13:06 that they needed and, but no, he was important.

13:09 And so anyway, so things can happen.

13:11 Things can happen.

13:12 - I'm gonna put you on the spot.

13:14 I mean, the guy that comes to mind to me

13:16 is always downtown Freddie Brown with the Sonics,

13:18 but is there one bench player during the playoffs

13:21 that sticks out to you?

13:23 - Well.

13:24 - Oh, oh, oh, oh, Iguodala with Golden State.

13:27 - Iguodala got MVP in a final.

13:30 And congratulations to him now as the new interim,

13:32 if he is interim, we'll now know,

13:33 the director of the association.

13:36 Interesting guy always.

13:38 Well, the ultimate, for me, and for many of us in Boston,

13:43 he was more beloved, I think, in Boston

13:45 or is appreciated here more than anywhere else,

13:48 except his home city, was the microwave, Vinny.

13:51 - Vinny, oh, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny.

13:54 - To me, you start there.

13:56 That was the greatest,

13:57 I think that's the best offensive backcourt

13:59 in the history of the league.

14:01 - Right, those three.

14:02 - The three, the three of them,

14:03 but Isaiah, Joe Dumars, and Vinny,

14:05 when they were in their prime,

14:06 that was the greatest three-man offensive backcourt

14:09 that the NBA has ever seen.

14:11 And Vinny was, people don't realize,

14:16 you know who gave him the nickname, was Danny.

14:19 And it was after a game here in Boston,

14:21 and Danny said, "If they call that guy in Chicago,

14:25 "the refrigerator, we should call this guy the microwave

14:29 "because he heats up in a hurry."

14:31 - That's phenomenal.

14:32 - And that's Danny tying up two sports together there.

14:36 Of course, we're talking about refrigerator Perry,

14:38 in case people don't know.

14:39 And that's where Danny Daines gave him that nickname.

14:42 And I think it's one of,

14:43 it's as good a sports nickname as we've had in our lifetime.

14:47 It's a great nickname.

14:49 And it was so apt,

14:51 'cause Vinny came in, and Vinny off the bench,

14:55 and you can just put the two,

14:56 how, is it gonna be 20 seconds he's gonna score, 25?

14:59 And 'cause he was a fearless scorer,

15:01 I mean, he was fun, the microwave was,

15:03 and he's a good guy, by the way.

15:04 He was a great guy.

15:04 - Well, yeah, you know, that's the thing.

15:06 Like when you talk about Pritchard

15:07 and you talk about like Vinny,

15:09 like I, you know, he's one of the all-time greats,

15:12 but fearless is the key word, you know?

15:14 And that's when you come off the bench,

15:16 you're not warm, you're in for two, three seconds.

15:19 It's the hardest thing to do in sports.

15:21 You have to be fearless, you know?

15:24 No conscience.

15:25 I mean, even Ray was great.

15:26 Of course, Ray started,

15:28 but Ray would miss like 12 threes and hit the game winner.

15:30 You know?

15:31 - Oh yeah, well, he was, yeah.

15:32 - You gotta be, and that's, but you know,

15:34 Pritchard or anybody who wants to fill that role,

15:36 you have to be fearless and you have to have no memory.

15:39 - Now I gotta say something about Pritchard

15:40 that is that, and I haven't even,

15:43 there's a story I haven't even read yet in the paper

15:45 as we speak on Friday the 10th,

15:47 but that he is so scrapped.

15:51 He's almost guaranteed for one sneaky rebound a game

15:54 that you just figure, how the hell did he get that?

15:55 - Oh yeah.

15:56 - You know, he does other things, but you know,

15:59 but his, but obviously he's in the,

16:01 he's getting paid to play professional basketball

16:03 for one primary reason.

16:04 It's not to get a sneaky rebound at six feet one.

16:07 It's to go make some threes.

16:08 - He's gotta make the shot.

16:08 He's gotta make the shot.

16:09 - Gotta make the shots.

16:10 - He's gotta make the shot.

16:11 - But anyway, he does give you something out as more,

16:14 he plays hard and plays smart, I think, you know,

16:18 but the shot's gotta fall to justify the result.

16:21 - Are you especially excited about the Celtics

16:24 playoff game?

16:27 - I will be making my season debut

16:30 on this particular Friday at the-

16:32 - Are you going in?

16:33 Going in.

16:34 - And I'm making my season debut as I start my 60th year

16:38 of watching the Celtics play in the two gardens.

16:41 And I went to my very first Celtic game on October 7th,

16:46 1964 as a freshman at BC, as they opened up the season,

16:51 which would result in a 62 and 18 season

16:54 and their eighth championship against the Pistons.

16:58 They beat them 112 to 81.

16:59 I have the ticket stub, of course.

17:02 And so I'm looking forward to going into the garden,

17:05 but the idea of this insane, I'm sorry,

17:09 it's needless, this needless instant East season tournament

17:14 that Adam Silver has foisted on us

17:17 and is trying to convince people that, you know,

17:19 that it's gonna turn into something meaningful.

17:22 And I don't think that I'd be very surprised

17:27 if Joe Mazzola was giving the boys,

17:29 the lads a pep talk tonight about getting that, you know,

17:31 about the importance of this game over and above

17:34 just the fact that it does count in the standings.

17:37 But this is your first game as you make history tonight,

17:39 boys, in the first in-season tournament.

17:42 I doubt very much that's gonna be a rallying cry.

17:44 - I mean, they have to be sharp.

17:46 They were not sharp against Philadelphia.

17:47 They've lost two in a row.

17:48 They were sloppy.

17:49 It's not a big deal.

17:50 It's early in the season.

17:51 I know that.

17:51 But you know, this is a game you just gotta worry

17:53 about getting back on track.

17:54 - Oh yeah.

17:55 - Just get back on track,

17:56 go in and take care of business.

17:57 The nets are beat up.

17:58 You should win handily.

18:00 It'd be a great game for-

18:00 - And Sam Thomas is out and he's become a monster.

18:04 - Right.

18:04 - And he's beat up.

18:05 - So, you know, Jalen Pratta made some shots.

18:08 - No.

18:09 - Let's get going.

18:10 - No, they gotta get back.

18:11 - As I said, Bob, the players love that Final Four

18:16 in Vegas.

18:17 They love that.

18:18 (laughing)

18:19 - Well, they may love that.

18:21 But you know, I'll tell you what,

18:22 we don't need people talking up this tournament

18:27 and talking about how it's gonna bring some more money

18:28 to the players.

18:30 And, you know, as if they don't make enough money.

18:33 - Yeah, I mean, it's not.

18:34 - Now, obviously the 12th minute,

18:37 oh yeah, it's nice little side income,

18:39 but I don't wanna hear about it from certain people

18:42 who are making $304 million down the road.

18:46 I do not want it.

18:47 - Well, here's another thing, Bob,

18:49 and here's the reality of it,

18:50 which doesn't really apply to, I'll say veterans

18:54 as opposed to dinosaurs like us.

18:56 A lot of it is connected to gambling now.

18:59 A lot of it is connected to, well, FanDuel, for example,

19:02 which is our terrific sponsor.

19:04 It's another way for people to participate

19:06 in the wagering aspect of the game,

19:08 which you may, you know, people love it.

19:11 - No, obviously it's-

19:13 - People love it.

19:14 And FanDuel will do a great job with it.

19:16 And, you know, people will love it.

19:18 And that's a factor now.

19:20 - Well, we'll see how it plays out, obviously.

19:22 But I mean, I'm personally not-

19:25 - Yeah, you're not into it, I know.

19:26 But there's gonna be people that'll be on FanDuel

19:29 that'll love it.

19:30 And it's just another way to wager,

19:31 and they'll get into it.

19:32 Jamal Murray's out for three to four weeks.

19:35 He's got a hamstring injury.

19:36 Often the forgotten man with the nuggets, you know?

19:41 Maybe you're not missed until you're gone, you know?

19:44 'Cause everybody focuses on the big guy.

19:47 But Jamal Murray, do you think he's underrated,

19:48 underappreciated?

19:50 - Yes, I do.

19:50 I think he's taken for granted what he does

19:55 and doesn't have glamor and anything,

19:57 but he's a very good player.

19:58 There's no question.

19:59 Well, a guy who needs to keep playing well for them

20:01 then in his absence is BC's own Reggie Jackson,

20:06 who had 20 points against the Warriors the other night

20:09 and had victory.

20:10 And I looked him up and he's had a,

20:12 as our friend Jeff Goodman and Crowick says,

20:15 "He's made a lot of money."

20:16 He's had a nice career for himself and that's very nice.

20:20 Yeah, he's gotta step up.

20:22 They all do.

20:25 Michael Porter Jr. has got to play well

20:28 and then, but they'll struggle a little bit

20:32 and because the West has got some good teams.

20:35 So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out for sure.

20:39 Now, one thing that happened last night,

20:41 Thursday night was Ante DiQuambo went off for 54

20:46 and they lost.

20:49 They lost a close game.

20:50 But I just want to say, I have seen,

20:54 I bore witness to Larry Bird scoring 50

20:58 and a loss in Dallas one night.

21:01 And you know how little things are encapsulated,

21:04 your memories, certain things just never go away.

21:08 They're always there.

21:09 I'll always remember it was a close game late

21:12 and Brad Davis is coming up the court.

21:15 He was a good three point shooter.

21:16 I remember Brad Davis, yeah.

21:17 And as he crossed and Danny was guarding him

21:22 and as he approaches the arc,

21:26 I couldn't yell it out naturally, but I'm going,

21:29 Danny, get up on him, get up on him, get up on him.

21:31 Don't let him shoot.

21:32 And sure enough, Bradbury's a big three

21:34 that basically decided the game.

21:37 And I'll never forget that.

21:39 Danny, get up on him.

21:40 They didn't get up on him.

21:42 But Larry had 50 in defeat that night.

21:44 And that's the only time that happened to him

21:45 as far as I know.

21:46 But it's been pointed out that this is the anniversary.

21:49 Well, you got the anniversary.

21:50 Yeah, 50 points against Atlanta.

21:52 Yeah, on this day, 1989.

21:55 Okay.

21:56 I remember his first 50 point game was against the Pacers.

21:59 I was with Channel 5 at the time.

22:00 And I remember doing the story and I didn't try.

22:04 And I realized that after I'd cut the package,

22:07 as we call it in TV, as you all know,

22:09 after we had cut the package,

22:11 that we could have had every basket on tape.

22:16 We only, we missed, I had 20 of them out of 21 three-goalers.

22:19 I didn't get the, I didn't, I wasn't trying to do that.

22:22 And I remember I was putting it to music, Gar,

22:24 I forget what kind of, what I was putting it to music for.

22:27 I think it was "You're the Top" by, you know,

22:29 Nicole Porter.

22:29 ♪ You're the top, you're the top, you're the top ♪

22:32 ♪ You're the Lou Museum ♪

22:33 I think that's what I was doing.

22:34 And I didn't, I could have gotten every basket

22:38 in that piece, damn it.

22:40 I didn't, I missed one.

22:41 I'm sorry, Bob, the one that got away.

22:46 That was in my abortive TV career, but there you go.

22:50 - But you know, when you think of 50-point games,

22:52 like with Larry, you know, I, when I, of course,

22:56 like Larry got 50, his best was what?

22:57 No, Jordan had 63, or I always forget.

23:00 - Oh, Jordan had more, he had 63 against the Celtics.

23:02 That was the- - Jordan had 63.

23:04 - But he had higher, he had more points than-

23:06 - Yeah, Byrne McHale, remember the back-to-back nights?

23:09 - Oh, March 3rd, a Sunday, March 3rd, 1986.

23:15 Kevin goes for, on a Sunday afternoon,

23:19 against the Pistons, he goes for 56.

23:23 - Right.

23:24 - And Larry was feeding him like crazy against his,

23:28 a guy that Larry had something, had a grudge against,

23:32 and that was Kent Benson.

23:34 He had been at Indiana and was not nice to Larry

23:39 when Larry was there as a freshman.

23:41 - As a freshman.

23:42 - And so Kevin, he just was feeding Kevin like crazy to beat,

23:47 but he honestly said to Kevin after the game,

23:49 words to the effect, "You should have gone for 60."

23:52 That was on March 3rd.

23:55 On March 12th, they're in New Orleans,

23:58 again, they're playing the Hawks,

23:59 and they're going home away from home game

24:01 at the Lakefront Coliseum in New Orleans.

24:04 And Larry goes off and gets to 60.

24:07 And he allowed Kevin to be the all-time,

24:09 the Celtic scoring leader for nine days.

24:13 - Right, for nine days.

24:15 - Kevin, you were the all-time Celtic leader

24:17 in scoring at an individual game for nine days.

24:20 And Larry warned you, said, "You should have gone for 60."

24:22 - Well, I love the Benson angle.

24:26 I love that.

24:27 - It's true, it's really true.

24:29 Larry had it in for Benson, and he was just relishing

24:33 having Kevin dump all over Benson.

24:35 It was great.

24:36 - Absolutely.

24:37 I mean, Benson was the guy that got hit by Kareem, right?

24:40 - Yes, that's correct.

24:42 Yeah, he was.

24:43 But he also was the starting center

24:44 on the last undefeated team in major college history.

24:49 - Oh yeah, yeah, with Indiana, with Bobby Nathan,

24:51 the Hoosiers.

24:51 - He was the starting center.

24:53 - You know, that's the thing, Bob, about the greats,

24:55 you know, like about Bird or Jordan or...

24:57 You know, I don't think LeBron has this in him,

25:00 which is, I'm not saying it's a bad thing,

25:02 I think he's unique.

25:03 But even Brady, you know, the greats,

25:05 they have those little things in the back of their mind

25:08 where somebody screwed them over,

25:11 and they are going to destroy them.

25:13 - Nobody manufactured, well, nobody,

25:16 few people, I suspect, have manufactured grudges

25:20 to fuel himself more than Michael.

25:23 - Right.

25:23 - Michael manufactured, you know,

25:25 oh, but you, you know, the first, they said,

25:28 in one finalist, Clyde Drexler, you know, was gonna,

25:31 he was being held up as, you know,

25:33 the antidote to Michael or the equal of Mac,

25:36 they questioned Michael.

25:38 That's when Michael went off with the phenomenal first half

25:41 with the six threes or whatever he had,

25:43 and, you know, when he looked over on the bench

25:45 and shrugged, and the game is shrugged, you know?

25:47 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

25:48 - That was against Portland, that was against Kent Benson.

25:50 It didn't matter who, no, Michael was the master of that,

25:52 and you guys met a lot of guys do that,

25:54 and Michael, nobody more than Michael.

25:56 - The best.

25:57 - Apparently, Dylan Brooks likes to do it.

25:58 (laughs)

25:59 - Right, right.

26:01 - As if anybody cares.

26:02 (laughs)

26:04 - Bob, always a pleasure, my friend.

26:06 Anything else before we say so long?

26:08 - No, no, just, no, not really.

26:10 I mean, salute answers to Quambo.

26:13 He is a wonderful player.

26:14 It's fascinating, though.

26:15 He had half, he almost had half their points,

26:18 so he actually did have half their points,

26:19 and for a long time, good for him,

26:22 but they're gonna be heard from, but just a reminder.

26:25 Oh, his coach got tossed in it, Adrian Griffin, I think,

26:28 you know, in a game.

26:29 Anyway, anyway.

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