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00:00 All right, everyone welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots beat podcast right here on the CLNS media network

00:07 It is Brian Hines from Pat's pulpit back as always with Alex Barth from 95 the sports hub

00:12 For our week 18 Patriots preview the last game preview of the year

00:17 But of course we have in which we won't preview the game much which there probably won't be much discussion of the actual

00:24 Game on the football field because we have to start with the big story of the day which was the wonderful

00:30 article in the Boston Herald

00:32 by Andrew Callahan and Doug Cide

00:35 Which was very similar from the article Andrew wrote last year for the Herald with Karen

00:41 Breaking down sort of the dysfunction in the offensive coaching staff obviously with Joe judge and Matt Patricia with Bill Belichick last year

00:48 But this one was focused on the dysfunction kind of the same stuff in the staff this year

00:54 With Bill O'Brien Adrian Clem

00:56 There were some mentions that Bill wanted to keep Matt Patricia around even as the offensive coordinator and Kraft kind of stepped in

01:04 so those are some of the the big bullets we can kind of break this down, but I

01:08 Mean like just here we go again, right?

01:11 We kind of knew some of this was boiling behind the scenes and this was a really good piece to kind of lay it all

01:17 Out and see this dysfunction kind of firsthand

01:20 Literally to the point where I'm actually I'm driving down Gillette today and I you know had this thought in the back of my head

01:27 You know, I was kind of thinking about all you know, it's the end of season

01:30 Expose a piece is gonna be interesting and then I saw

01:34 Callahan retweet a tweet of his and I kind of half read it. I was like, oh, that's weird. He retweeted last year's

01:41 You know end of season

01:43 Recap end of season expose and then I kind of read it or somebody texted me and I read it again

01:49 I was like, oh wait, I normally you don't get those things till the end of the season and

01:53 There might be a couple of reasons why they released it, you know before the final game and sick as last year was

01:59 I remember I was on the I was getting ready to go to the shrine ball. It was like that morning

02:04 So it was well after the season week or two after the season

02:07 But no, we got it. And now it's time to kind of start to figure out what went wrong. And I think

02:12 Some of it's funny because I was talking to you know, I'll just say Evan

02:18 I was gonna say people cover the team whatever it's Evan. He's like, yeah, you know how much of this is

02:23 You know, you know, we knew some of this I'm like we knew it

02:26 Cuz we and I'm not saying we knew these like secrets

02:29 I'm saying when you follow the team day to day as close as we are

02:32 Afforded the opportunity to do so by the nature of our jobs. It's easier. I think to people who maybe tune in on Sunday

02:39 Do a quick view of Twitter, you know once or twice a week what's going on with the team?

02:44 I think this did a really good job of painting what the day-to-day has been like so there's some stuff

02:49 We already knew but it's it's laid out in a way that I think is very helpful

02:53 There's some stuff that we suspected that is now confirmed and then of course

02:57 There are just some overall new pieces of information as well. So I thought this was really done

03:01 I think it hit on a couple of different angles that are gonna be fascinating as we get into the offseason and I have

03:08 Up on 98 father sports of calm. I just kind of did my five biggest

03:12 Takeaways from it and we can get into those we can get into some of the smaller stuff as well

03:16 but it just like last year, I thought did a very good job of painting what the issues are and

03:23 Brian it's things that we've talked about throughout the year

03:26 It's things that we've speculated on and we've I don't want to say assumed

03:30 But we've kind of guessed and tried to put puzzle pieces together and you're or just things that we we knew we said we felt

03:37 That have proven to be right. So I I think it was a just a really well done piece

03:41 Yeah, and every Patriots fan should read it. Yeah, absolutely

03:45 And you're right

03:46 We see like we can see James for rents who's on the practice squad coaching helping the offensive line like during games

03:53 We see some of that which is part of their story we can get into and I just looked it up Andrew

03:58 Posted the one last year on January 26, and I think the season I like the ninth

04:02 So it was like two and a half weeks after now you're getting this one in week 18

04:07 so a little bit different time frame there, but

04:11 Yeah, we can get into some of your points and your big takeaways

04:15 But I think the biggest one is just kind of the offensive staff, right? We saw they mentioned

04:21 this offensive

04:23 Coordinator search that happened last year

04:25 They said it wasn't really a fair search which at the time looking at the candidates. It didn't really look like it

04:31 It seemed like it was always Bill O'Brien

04:33 And then maybe they're bringing in these guys who could potentially fill in roles below him and you saw that with Adrian Clem

04:41 Coming in as the offensive line coach in

04:43 From there. It was just it's Bill Belichick staff right at Bill O'Brien's the offensive coordinator

04:48 But these are all outside of will line who was Billy O's one guy he brought in

04:53 These are all still Bill Belichick skies from Vinnie. Sincerely at the running backs

04:58 Troy Brown and Ross Douglas at wide receivers who?

05:02 Ross dog Ross Douglas saw the fire coming and he ran to Syracuse a month ago and then Adrian Clem at the offensive line

05:10 so

05:11 one of our big things in the offseason was after the whole map Patricia and Joe judge thing was getting a

05:17 Head coach of the offense and that was Billy Oh and letting him kind of have free reign and from the get-go

05:23 They didn't do that because he only got will line and everyone else was Bill Belichick skies

05:28 No, I think the biggest picture painted here is Bill Belichick is still somebody who's very focused on consolidating power

05:34 And have everything run through him and not giving an inch and if Bill O'Brien can't be the head coach of the offense

05:40 Nobody's gonna be able to do it

05:41 I even wonder if Josh McDaniels could do it at this point or how much Josh McDaniels ever really did it

05:46 Not only was Bill O'Brien not allowed to pick his staff

05:51 You you go further and in a really interesting part of this to me was how?

05:57 Adrian the Adrian Clem saga played out how Adrian Clems tenure was treated because

06:04 In to read from it here. You just let me pull this bit up

06:08 Where's the part on so it talks about you know

06:14 The staff being kind of tilted one way or the other here so on Clem on the surface

06:18 It was a sensible reunion the Patriots hiring Clem Clem had played and learned under legendary Patriots offensive line coach Dante Skarnecchia

06:25 However, his fit in the year 2023 struck some the organization is questionable and it continues to say Clems techniques and philosophy

06:33 Had evolved since his playing days under Skarnecchia molded by stops at SMU UCLA, Oregon in in Pittsburgh with the Steelers

06:41 later on

06:43 Trent Brown talks about how when Clem took his medical leave of absence

06:49 The Patrick offensive line was in this is them kind of summing up what Trent said the Patrick offensive line was now

06:58 Practicing Skarnecchia techniques and drills instead of those he Clem had taught

07:03 Did they hire Adrian Clem?

07:06 And this is now me like let's let's put all this together

07:09 Did they hire Adrian Clem because they thought Adrian Clem was a good offensive line coach or did they hire?

07:18 Adrian Clem

07:19 Because they wanted somebody to run Dante Skarnecchia system and figured he played under him

07:25 He will have a good shot at replicating it and this isn't to knock

07:29 Dante Skarnecchia, it's the furthest thing from it Dante Skarnecchia system clearly works

07:35 But a big part of Dante Skarnecchia system is Dante Skarnecchia

07:39 And even if you replicate 99% of it who's to say that 1% you miss isn't the part that was making a massive difference

07:46 I think when scar left yes, there are things he did that you want to replicate

07:51 But you also need to leave room to grow and operate as if he's not there

07:55 you can't try to operate as if he's still there without him there and

07:59 That's where I look at today hire Adrian Clem

08:02 Because they thought he'd be good or did they hire him just to basically try to duplicate what Skarnecchia did because to do that

08:10 to discredit, you know, he hasn't been in Skarnecchia system in 20 years and

08:15 That was I'm sure scar system changed a ton between 2004 and when he left

08:21 to discredit all of Adrian Clem's experiences is

08:27 one a disservice to Clem and

08:30 If that's actually the case and word gets out that that's what the Patriots are doing and there is some evidence that they're doing this

08:35 With other coaches, it's gonna be really hard to hire guys because nobody's gonna be like so I'm gonna come here

08:40 And you're just gonna tell me a hundred percent what to do and I have no say in my own room

08:43 It's a disservice to the team

08:45 Because you're not letting the coach you're not getting the most out of the coaches you have it's

08:49 That's a really worrying

08:52 Pattern to see that because you can kind of see it with other guys, too

08:58 Right, how is Vinny Sunseri a college defensive back and they talk about this a running backs coach?

09:03 Is it just because you're trying to have him do his best Ivan fears impression?

09:07 Ivan fears a great coach, but Ivan fears a great coach because he's Ivan fears

09:12 I don't know that you can replicate that who's still around the facility, right?

09:15 it to me

09:18 resembles a little bit

09:20 when we talk about

09:22 Mac Jones running the Patriots offense and them asking him to do things that Tom Brady did

09:28 The Patriots often and we talked about is the Patriots current offensive system

09:32 Is it obsolete and can it not work in the NFL? I think it can

09:35 but you have to have that quarterback and

09:39 You can't just ask another quarterback to run a system that was created for and tailored around and run by another guy

09:45 So it does seem to be this hesitance

09:50 To recognize and accept that certain people have moved on

09:53 It's kind of try to fit square pegs into round holes

09:56 Instead of evolve and grow in the absence of those guys and I'm not the absence of those guys hurt

10:02 But to just kind of try to force it to be like they're still here almost in denial

10:07 Instead of be like, all right

10:08 We got to get a new offensive line coach and try to hire the best coach to do his thing

10:11 And maybe it's not gonna look like what Dante Skarnecchia did

10:14 But if we believe in this guy's coach, then you know, it'll work in his own right and that'll be great

10:19 Are they doing that are they really doing that which they should be doing or are they saying?

10:23 All right. This is how Dante ran it. This is how you're gonna run it

10:26 We don't want you to put your own fingerprints on it

10:29 We want it to be as close to the Dante Skarnecchia system as possible

10:33 Because that isn't that what it sounds like they did with Adrian Clem. Yeah, and that's concerning because that doesn't work

10:38 Clearly right and that in that just sorry it that brings it all back to bill because that's a bill call right and a on a

10:45 grander level

10:47 Not letting O'Brien bring in his staff, even if O'Brien had control the offense

10:51 Did he really?

10:54 Without the coaches he wanted and it talks about how O'Brien coached to the entire offense and there really weren't a ton of positional meetings

11:01 Was that because O'Brien didn't have guys he felt could run the system he wanted

11:05 So he had to do it all himself

11:08 It just it seems to be that the the the trust the further you got down the tree was really lacking

11:14 And that's not

11:16 Good, that's just not a good way to operate. Yeah

11:20 No, I agree with all that and if you want to look from the bill point of lens, right?

11:26 Like the people who might still be holding out hope that maybe he gives up

11:31 General manager powers or general manager to rise and just is on his head coach

11:35 Hearing some of these details where you know, they talked about bill was ready

11:40 To bring that Patricia back as offensive coordinator and maybe he still recognized there needed to be some changes in the offense

11:46 But he was ready to let Patricia kind of grow in that role and now he's you know

11:51 Kraft says let's bring in Billy Oh and Bill says, okay, but it's still gonna be my staff around Billy

11:56 Oh, there's still kind of a stubbornness there. So

11:59 Again, if we're talking about next week in the future with with Bill and his role in his in this organization

12:06 It looks like if he's here, it's still going to be his role now as a no you're and the general manager

12:12 You're exactly right the fact that he wanted to bring Matt Patricia back after last year

12:16 Tells me he's not he still sees his way is the right way

12:21 And he's not about to let somebody else come in and tinker with it

12:25 So that not that it was a nice thought to have I don't know how realistic it ever was in this kind of concern

12:32 Confirms a lot of that. Yeah, we can jump back to Clem quickly because he seemed like

12:38 You know one of the main points of emphasis in this story with his dynamic with Billy Oh

12:44 Didn't seem great

12:47 and that offensive line

12:49 Obviously, he's got a health related issue. So you hope yeah, he's okay and everything is good with him, but

12:56 It looks and the Herald even said it that he's not gonna be back here next year and he got a multi-year contract

13:04 It was a big deal. They paid him. I think it was a million dollars a year

13:07 so they paid him pretty handsomely in order to do that job as the offensive line coach and

13:13 Then they kind of as we just talked about word

13:17 Put the put the handcuffs on him and how he was able to coach it seemed but

13:21 it looks like that dynamic with climate and Billy Oh wasn't very good and it looks like

13:26 Clem won't be in the equation next year and no matter who's coaching

13:31 The Patriots will probably be looking for their fourth offensive line coach in four years here

13:36 Yeah, and that's also you know, not sustainable and look if there's an overall coaching change from the top

13:41 You're gonna have new guys, but too much turnover. Yeah, and the other thing was Clem

13:47 he had a kind of a blow-up with Matt grow it seemed about the

13:51 Lack of talents on the offensive line or some of the personnel on the offensive line

13:57 So that was another I was trying to pull that part up in the article

14:02 But that was another kind of noteworthy thing with Matt grow getting kind of like this from the personnel the bill

14:09 That's it's it's it's another it's a thing we talked about that the offensive line was gonna be a major problem and we saw it

14:16 We saw it. We said you need to address the situation to tackle. There's a quote in there

14:20 How do you use the top three picks on defense when tackle is the biggest issue in the organization last year?

14:25 Which tackle was the biggest issue?

14:28 Not quarterback not receiver tackle and

14:32 There you go. You see it right there in print

14:35 They knew it and nothing was done about it and that falls on bill bills the GM that falls on bill

14:42 He thought they were gonna manage it on the boundaries. This is another year of

14:46 nibbling around the strike zone at the tackle position and it came back and bit him and I

14:51 Don't want to hear and I he kind of talked about it on Wednesday. Oh guys got hurt, you know

14:57 It wasn't the plan. We originally had no your plan was a 36 year old in the journeyman

15:01 Of course the 36 year old got hurt. He's 36 years old. He's 34. Whatever. He is

15:06 It's an old man playing tackle in the NFL and yes, it's unfortunate Calvin Anderson got sick, but before he did he wasn't playing well

15:14 so

15:16 The plan was they were set up to fail to position again

15:19 And that's another thing. We're like the approach has to be different

15:23 There's no way to come back and try it again with the same approach and just hope you have better luck

15:28 No, the approach is fundamentally broken

15:31 Yep, so just reading that some of that part

15:35 I said

15:36 This is the Herald article again a few staffers privately pointed fingers at decision makers about the talent that is Clem who confronted director

15:43 A player personnel Matt grow early in the season and a loud exchange that reverberated through the organization

15:49 Clem according to sources didn't feel heard while some offensive veterans didn't want to believe their eyes and then they

15:56 Got into how they had a start to rookies and Calvin Anderson in that week one game

16:01 They also said speaking of the offseason that Belichick and grow

16:05 And this is a quote believe the best tackles available and free agency in the draft had been overrated

16:11 So instead of investing significant money or high draft pick and a proven starter

16:15 they opted for the veteran discounts and Anderson and a 34 year old Riley reef, so

16:20 But that's not

16:23 Okay, so those guys are a little overrated. Are they worse than Riley reef and Calvin Anderson?

16:29 That sometimes you have to pay overpay players. That's just the game

16:33 That's what was game. That's just how it works

16:36 Was there a guy in the first three rounds who maybe could have right and a little more useful than you know

16:41 We love Keon white. He's coming on playing great ball

16:43 We'd like the potential of Marte Mappu, but you need a starting caliber tackle

16:48 Is there one guy in that mix that you can identify and bring in to help?

16:53 You know patch that patch that hole in your lineup it and they just didn't do that and even going back

16:58 Years before like I think Taylor said their last top 100 pick a tackle was Yanni Kajus, right?

17:04 So this has been right a multi was a pure project player

17:09 Yeah, like a third round pick who had right think he battled injuries in college. Yeah, he wasn't gonna play his rookie year

17:15 Like he was a pure project player. He was overdrafted and the last tackle before that was Isaiah when it was a guard. Yeah

17:20 So it's yeah, just not the approach the fundamental approach needs to change. Yep. Absolutely. So

17:29 That seemed to be one of the biggest parts with Clem and that dynamic with Billy Oh up front

17:34 Does this change your mind at all?

17:37 about the job Billy Oh has done this year because obviously

17:41 The offense is one of the worst in the league and he's the offensive coordinator

17:45 He deserves some blame for that

17:48 But he's working with what we all see as one of the worst kind of positional groups in the NFL

17:54 He obviously has gotten bad quarterback play and now he has a staff that he clearly isn't on the same page with only will line

18:01 It's kind of his guy. Does this change your mind at all about or maybe you already just thought?

18:06 It wasn't Billy Oh's fault to begin with but does this kind of change your thoughts on Billy Oh this?

18:12 Yeah, I always felt he was in a little over said I think it could be better than it was

18:16 I don't think he's totally free of blame. He's not but it he was in over his head from the beginning

18:22 Yeah

18:24 Especially like hearing that he had to do his own meetings

18:28 Like he had to take the whole offense in as meeting because he didn't trust some of these

18:32 positional coaches is what it seemed so he seemed a bit in over his head, but

18:38 That seemed kind of like the main points just the inner dysfunction within the staff and it's bled out onto the field

18:45 and obviously you have this for one team as sort of the product as that but

18:50 There are a few more little details we can get into. I know you had some other points

18:55 I think and yeah, it's things you wanted to make but let's quickly take a quick break

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19:44 Right, so again, we're talking about this Boston Herald report from Andrew Callahan

19:51 Doug Kai does broke down a lot of the dysfunction within the Patriots this year talked a lot about Billy Oh Adrian Clem

19:58 What else did you kind of big picture or a little? Yeah, you took away from this on the quarterbacks

20:05 You know, there was a lot of talk about

20:07 the

20:09 you know should they've gone to Bailey's happy sooner and

20:13 They write that zappy through as many if not more interceptions in practice leading up to his first start then Mac Jones did he was

20:20 Not ready. He was not ready

20:22 Mac Jones Bailey's have to not win the job Mac Jones lost it

20:25 They get into kind of Mac Jones being broken losing his confidence locker room being split

20:30 Some guys thinking he got a raw deal in New England other guys on the roster thinking that you know

20:36 He just needed to do a better job of not turning the ball over needed to not get panicked

20:39 But the whole you know, what was it? It was like an 80/20 thing, right?

20:42 He lost 80% of locker room at 20% still with them. That was a report at one point

20:46 I think that was also from the Herald

20:48 So you kind of see that the the biggest thing that stood out to me?

20:52 Because this is something we talked about a lot at the time and people did the blue media thing when we did it

20:57 Was those few weeks there the Germany game?

21:01 Giants game the Chargers game

21:04 Even whatever that next week was. I can't remember. They was the next week was the Chiefs Chiefs. Yeah

21:12 We know the Steelers Steelers, whatever it was

21:15 Yeah, you know they didn't remember they didn't name the starter and we didn't entirely know who it was gonna be and we kept saying what?

21:20 Are they doing? Why won't bill name a starter people? Oh, whoo, because media feels so entitled. They need to know blah blah blah

21:26 And I said this at the time I'll say it again. I didn't care necessarily that we didn't know

21:32 Yeah, there were indications that people in the building didn't know

21:36 That's a problem because the guys on the team need to know so they can prepare and they talk about how basically there was no

21:43 Collaboration in the quarterback room because nobody knew what the hell was going on in

21:48 Both guys just kind of were preparing on their own. I know this sounds crazy

21:53 It's a collective effort in there and you want as many minds as possible

21:58 Because maybe the backup sees something on film during the week that the starter doesn't there were times Tom Brady talked about Brian Hoyer would point

22:05 Stuff out to him. Doesn't mean Brian Hoyer was gonna start that week, obviously, but having everybody in the room

22:11 Going in one direction

22:13 there's value in that and that extends beyond the quarterback position to to the rest of the

22:18 To the rest room. So the Herald story reads instead of rallying to support the starter each week

22:24 They're often siloed they talking about Matt Jones Bailey's happy. They're often siloed in their own preparation

22:30 Several members of the organization believe they would have benefited from a veteran backup with experience in more

22:36 Cooperative rooms who could have directed them and tie the room together

22:40 There definitely isn't a healthy communication in there about trying to win football games. I mean, what are we doing?

22:46 Tell them who the starter is. Yeah, and I don't tell us I don't care

22:52 You don't to tell me I'll figure out on Sunday. I'll pick up the clues from players talking during the week. I don't care

22:58 Matt Jones and Bailey's happy should know which one of them is starting and

23:02 It was frustrating at the time and you saw it being a problem at the time and then the other part in there would have

23:09 benefited

23:10 from a veteran backup with experience and more cooperative rooms

23:14 They cut Brian Hoyer back in March

23:19 Because of all the crap that happened last year that he wasn't happy about

23:22 He basically said hey, this is all BS that's happening. They cut him and it made the BS worse

23:29 They needed that guy and then they had a turn through quarterback after quarterback after quarterback to figure it out

23:35 Just a total

23:38 Mismanagement from the top down. Guess what Mack Jones people Bailey's happy people. I know you guys hate each other

23:46 You get to kind of shake hands a unite here. They were both set up to fail

23:50 Everyone were both set up to fail based off what this story is telling us

23:55 Definitely a mess and I agree with you 100% You don't have to tell us but the fact that

24:00 Quarterbacks don't even know and then the offense doesn't even know I forgot the first game

24:05 That what was the first game that it was like truly up in the air

24:12 It was after the Colts game right right so I would have been the Giants game when they did half-and-half yeah, I

24:17 Remember we came on the the recap show up the Giants game

24:21 And we just said that was an offense that didn't look like it knew who the starting quarterback was throughout the week

24:26 Great, and we heard guys like Hunter Henry was saying. Oh I found out

24:30 Friday and this guy said oh I found out Sunday morning and like it was just a mess like that's not how you win

24:36 football games and

24:38 The veteran part is interesting because you're gonna go into the offseason probably with a rookie quarterback

24:45 Maybe Bailey's happy is your backup

24:47 So you'd assume that they would like to get a veteran quarterback in here to try to tie this room together

24:54 Because again you want those guys on the same side of the rope all pulling together

24:59 I'll try and help each other and win football games, but

25:01 You mentioned quickly how they cycled through all these other guys

25:06 This was like a minor line, but I want to get your thoughts on this

25:09 They said the Herald said newly signed backup will Greer was never a serious consideration

25:13 To start per sources despite being told he could compete for playing time. Would you?

25:19 Read into that at all or was that just like that's not a quarter of that like that

25:25 It's natural when you read this stuff who said what right and I don't know any

25:31 Outside of Trent Brown at the beginning. I love it. It says you know

25:36 Sources spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution for those brown

25:40 It's all anonymous sources and then Trent Brown. It's just like no I said that Trent Brown standing on business

25:46 continues to just be the most entertaining player on this team, I

25:51 Mean did that come that felt like it came from?

25:53 Will career himself, right? I don't know who else really would have said that

25:57 Maybe he was told that

26:01 If they told him that they should have let him compete

26:03 I think we said at the time there was a case to be made that will career should have been the starting quarterback

26:08 They were super weird about him the whole time like he was getting reps, but he wasn't getting reps

26:13 But he was getting reps, but the reps he was getting weren't really reps. It was this that whole thing was weird. I

26:18 Know I yeah, I don't know what I made exactly of that like our eyes is between Zappi and Jones

26:25 Outside of just I understand why they wouldn't be interested in career

26:29 You know getting a chance there because you want guys who've been in the system

26:33 Ideally you're in a system with chemistry, right?

26:35 And you've built this chemistry since the spring and you don't want somebody coming in who doesn't have that chemistry

26:40 Not everybody can be Joe Flacco

26:42 but

26:43 Yeah, I I don't know

26:45 I I don't think I necessarily had a major takeaway from that other than I wonder if like that's a real career getting his one

26:51 Punch in on the way

26:53 Getting this last word in there. So I

26:55 Mean we can kind of talk

26:59 Bill and big picture bill here unless was there any other like little notes you have I mean there were some like interesting things

27:05 I don't know that they

27:07 Inform forward like I read this through the purview of is bill coming back next year. Yes or no, right?

27:14 And how does this inform us about where how bills viewed in the building about how he's operating?

27:20 That I read this through that lens. So that's where my takeaways came from now

27:25 there's some other things that are just interesting and I don't know that they inform anything but

27:31 Information to know Trent Brown saying after the Steelers game. He was gonna be playing for an NFC team next year

27:38 He's gone. We all knew he was gone. Like I I didn't learn anything there, but well, we held that little

27:44 Let the little sliver that maybe he's still the best tackle on the market. Maybe he comes back, but he's gone, right?

27:51 I guess he wants to go to I don't know if it meant like

27:54 He openly discussed playing for like a specific NFC team or just he was like, you know

27:58 I'm just not getting the hell out of New England. I'm getting the hell out of the whole AFC

28:02 Whatever that was. I thought that was an interesting tidbit between New England and Vegas. He's just AFC

28:07 Yeah, he's just he's just AFC out. He needs to get he needs the blue end

28:12 The red a is just not doing well

28:14 I thought I was convinced he was gonna go to the Texans because he's you know

28:18 A Houston guy and he just loves the Texan Cowboys Ethan, but yeah, no not not

28:24 Well, I just when he signs with an AFC team this year. Remember that quote cuz that'll be a great old team's old

28:29 Old takes exposed James Ferentz kind of working essentially as an assistant offensive line coach

28:35 We sort of saw that coming. It just goes back to the Clem thing. We're like they were not prepared from a coaching standpoint

28:42 entirely

28:45 And it tells you that I would not be surprised if James Ferentz is coaching somewhere next year

28:50 How much that's kind of way down David Andrews - cuz he's probably taken on a big role

28:57 yeah in that room as well with all these young guys and you know a coach leaving and

29:03 Changing from going to how Clems teaching it to back to house Skarnak. Yeah, like that's something and he spoke today

29:10 David Andrews that he's not ready to make any decision right about his future yet

29:14 But you wonder how much this the last two years really has kind of taken a mental toll on him as well there

29:20 Multiple the corner sources some members told Malik Cunningham when he left New England that he made the right move

29:26 We kind of said that at the time we assumed that at the time

29:28 Bill Belichick kind of even said it his press conference

29:32 He's like, yeah, we wanted to go play quarterback and that's where he was gonna go play quarterback

29:35 But just that thing hammered home one source saying quote they had no plan for Malik

29:40 Again, we felt that it just kind of is out there now

29:44 Jack Jones blowing up at Mike Pellegrino. That was we wondered what the final straw was

29:49 Why do you bring him to Germany only to cut him the next day after benching him the week before?

29:52 Okay, he blew up at a coach. There's the answer to that

29:55 I

29:57 Think that was pretty much it

29:59 Oh and then there was this one quote at the end

30:00 The guys still respond to him a tenured Patriots source said a bell check and damn

30:05 We have so many squad meetings where he shows them what's gonna happen in the game and it always fucking happens

30:09 There's always nothing happens even down to what we can't do and then we always end up effing doing it. That's another one

30:16 We're like, I'm really interested in who said that I don't think it's a player

30:19 Because a tenured source a tenured Patriots source said of Belichick

30:26 That sounds like something maybe a former player who's still in touch with the current players would say

30:30 Yeah, I

30:34 I'd be interested to see who said that because that's an interesting quote

30:37 We're like he is still a great coach. I think we all know that

30:40 But this other stuff it's just the management of the organization. The CEO element of it is just so not there. Yeah, I

30:48 Don't it says we have so many squad meetings. I don't know if that'd be a former so here I

30:54 Like my mind your hands like my mind went to like Julie Nettleman and Devin McCordie. Yeah, I could McCordie. Definitely

31:02 I could say he's not a big swearing guy. He doesn't swear it's on

31:07 but

31:09 Just because those are guys who like in the building recently

31:11 Bill guys, they still talk to a lot of people on the team

31:16 but

31:18 Tenured Patriots source makes it sound like it's not like it's not Slater

31:23 We know Matthew Slater may feel that way very well may feel that way. I don't think Matt Slater's dropping f-bombs

31:29 David Andrews doesn't really talk like that. It also feels like it's maybe more of a defensive player. So

31:36 You know Lawrence guy may be Dietrich wise, but they don't really swing the f-bombs either though

31:42 They're like, uh, I could see I could see them doing that like when they're not with the media

31:47 okay, but

31:49 Yeah, I not that ultimately matters it's just interesting that quote the context is a little different

31:57 Depending on who said it. Yeah, was it an offensive player? Was it a defensive player?

32:02 Was it a coach was it an offensive coach a defensive coach? Was it like somebody else?

32:06 Was it you know, just somebody in the building watching all this happen?

32:09 The context that it the general meaning is the same but I think the context changes a little bit depending on who said it

32:17 Yeah, I agree. So that's like that's with with bill

32:21 That's kind of the whole point right now is they even said it he hasn't lost his fastball as a hands-on coach

32:26 The team is still bought in so

32:29 What do they do with him after this week 18 game and you know, Mike Reese said him and craft will have their annual

32:36 sit down meeting on Monday where they

32:39 Discuss things you assume Bill's gonna go in there and probably have this little clicker and all these Mac Jones

32:45 Interceptions and say well if this didn't happen and this didn't happen and this didn't happen

32:49 we'd have six more wins and we'd be in the playoffs as

32:54 Daniel brings up here in the chat Bell check to the NFC South just seen Anderson

32:59 added on to her report

33:02 today that

33:03 She said in quote she's told that there are still recent high-level sentiments within the Patriots organization regarding desires to mutually part ways

33:11 And start a new and she also said there were some NFC South teams that are interested. There were some rumblings

33:17 Like a few months ago that Tampa Bay might be a team that

33:23 Right now it's not really even

33:25 But man, I just I don't see how he goes to Tampa after Tom

33:31 I don't I don't know for sure. I just without image conscious. He is to go to Tampa after Brady. Ah

33:40 That that would be pretty uncharacteristic of bill it would be super weird like what is Brady tweet about that

33:50 What does Brady say about that? Like did then that becomes a whole thing about Brady like bill does bill welcome Brady to Tampa

33:57 Does he go back and become more part of the Bucs organization again?

34:02 Because if he does that's weird after the whole Patriot for life thing

34:06 but it's also weird if he doesn't because that's built Belichick and it's his former coach and I

34:11 When I said I can tell you I didn't mean that to be like a report but

34:18 It feels so weird there's so it's it would be so weird

34:22 I think the other three teams make a ton of sense. I like it. I know everybody's kind of circling

34:27 Atlanta in that report the NFC South Carolina

34:31 He's close with Sean Payton the same Sean Payton, right? He's gonna get the inside. Look at the Saints

34:38 He's they've got options there in terms of what they can do with the roster. I

34:44 Think the Saints he's gonna go to the NFC South make the most sense of anybody. They probably have I don't know

34:49 The Falcons have a pretty

34:51 Good roster if they get a quarterback is Doug Marone still on the same staff because that's someone bills pretty good

34:57 That's another guy of his he might still be there. That's a good question. I didn't think of that Doug Marone

35:02 That was a name that kind of came up in March when we were going through that cycle Doug Marone maybe offensive line coach

35:11 So there's a connection there. I was just Tampa like Jason white their GM worked here before so I don't know what that connections like

35:19 But yeah, that would be really weird to kind of kind of fall there after Tom

35:24 So that was just some added context there from from Jocena's report

35:29 She did mention the Chargers again that we talked about. So they're another team that's that's lurking in the background. But I

35:35 Mean this this meeting on Monday

35:38 What do you think's gonna happen? Like do you think Roberts mind is kind of made up here?

35:42 we know if Bill still wants to be here, he's gonna go in here and kind of fight for his job, but

35:47 What are you expecting to kind of be the fallout from that meeting? I think Robert knows what he's gonna propose and

35:56 whether he

35:59 Where I'm kind of like there's no more. All right. Well, let's see what happens Sunday and let know he knows what he wants to

36:04 Do I I think?

36:06 The unknown is is there is Robert

36:10 Making an outright decision or does he put the decision on Bill Belichick's plate? And what I mean by that is

36:18 Does Robert say hey?

36:21 so here are the snares right is

36:24 Scenario one which is there's two scenarios within that is Robert makes a flat-out decision either. Hey, you're back and

36:31 You know, you've won me six Super Bowls. You've been very good for 20 years

36:35 I know there's a lot of noise out there keep doing your thing, you know, we're good

36:39 Maybe there's little tweaks there like O'Brien last year, but you know, you're good or is Robert already made decision say, all right

36:45 We're done. We're done here. And maybe that's a trade. Maybe that's a you know parting of ways, but like we're done

36:50 The other scenario is do they sit down and Robert says, okay if you want to come back

36:55 ABC and D are happening. It's a non-negotiable. We're gonna get a real GM

37:01 We're gonna take a quarterback in the first round of the draft. We're gonna you know, spend money on these positions

37:06 You're not gonna spend money on these positions. You're gonna be you know, these coaches are getting hired

37:10 These coaches are getting let go right, you know, or not necessarily Robert saying specific coaches, but we're hiring a GM the

37:16 Organizational direction is gonna be run by somebody else. You will coach the football team

37:21 Mainly the defense and that's what it's gonna look like. Yes or no and then depending on what Bill says

37:26 It's either Bill says yes

37:28 And then that's you know, they go off and they find the GM and they go from there or Bill says no

37:33 I'm Bill Belichick. You're not taking control for me. And then Robert says well

37:37 That's the only way we're doing a deal and then it's you know, maybe maybe he even gives them the courtesy of

37:42 Do you want to be true? Do you mind if we trade you like we'll let you choose your location

37:47 Or would you rather just have a parting of the ways and you do it all on your own and maybe he gives him that

37:52 but I

37:54 I

37:55 Don't think it's a thing where Roberts still tossing and turning at night. What am I gonna do?

38:00 Oh, no is am I gonna bring bill back? Am I not? You know, what am I gonna say in the meet?

38:04 No, that's all long been decided. I just wonder if

38:08 Bill Belichick

38:11 gets to have

38:12 If Robert basically makes bill make the decision right in terms of whether or not he's coming back

38:18 That to me is the great unknown here

38:20 Yep, and it's got to be like that right because we talked a lot like this has got to be quick

38:25 It's got to happen fast because you got to move on we have you have one week

38:29 Shrine Bowl stuff coming up

38:31 They'll start of February and internal free agents can start signing on Monday. Like you got to get going here

38:37 I actually looked up today

38:39 We got that

38:41 statement last year about Gerard Mayo and

38:43 The offensive coordinator search on Thursday after the season ended so and they met, you know Monday

38:49 And then you get the statement on Thursday. So maybe a similar pattern

38:52 Follows next week. But again, that's got to be a quick decision

38:57 That's got to happen soon because you have to move on with your franchise. You have things to do so

39:01 Well, we'll kind of see what happens there. But I think that's most of the big-picture stuff from today again if you didn't

39:10 Read that article on the Boston Herald. I would absolutely go check that out great work from Andrew and Doug bill and craft

39:17 We'll be meeting on Monday

39:20 Have that meeting on Monday to kind of see what happens going forward

39:23 But unless you had any other things to add to any big-picture stuff

39:28 I guess we could talk a little bit about the football game on Sunday

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40:16 All right, so if anyone wants to race the elements this weekend and come to maybe Bill's last game

40:21 Make sure you go to C geek for your Patriots tickets, but we got a snow game in Gillette looks finally

40:27 Like I've never covered one. I've always wanted to I've never covered one

40:29 Has there been a like a true snow game since that Titans one time?

40:33 where the cart was the Cardinals one after the Titans where Welker did the

40:38 snow angels in the

40:41 The last one I remember is a road game was that game in 2010 against the Bears where Brady just tore the money on branch

40:48 Had a big game. That's last one. I really remember

40:51 Yeah, there hasn't been one in a while. We barely even get snow here in football season anymore, but right

40:57 I was just pulling it up. It looks like we're still

41:00 325 inches Saturday night and then like 1 to 3 and it's gonna turn to rain Sunday morning. So oh

41:08 That's no that's not a snow game because they'll clear the field and then everything's just nasty. That's no there's been games like that

41:14 I know there's been games like that

41:16 I've covered those. Yeah

41:19 Where the roads frozen you're trying to get there and everything's just wet and dirty and that's fun. That one's no fun

41:25 Yeah, we don't want the rain and slush like true snow, but maybe that maybe that'll change by Sunday, but

41:33 They gave their rookies the snow brushes and prep preparation pop Douglas had no idea what the hell it was as a Florida native

41:40 He was confused. He needed some advice on how to use the snow brush

41:44 No scraper in the locker room there the other day, but we do have a football game the New York Jets come to town

41:50 What riding a 15 game losing streak to the Patriots?

41:55 Obviously the implications in this one are draft related their Patriots are currently sitting in third

42:03 It looks like if they win, they can't go any lower than five

42:06 But if they lose they're still up for grabs for that number to pick

42:10 So that's obviously the the big point of view that most people will be paying attention for this one

42:15 But obviously as we talked about so much the players aren't tanking

42:19 They want to end this on a high note and put some good tape out in the last week to either

42:24 Take the free agency take to a new team or just make their case to be on this roster next year a guy like Bailey's

42:30 Abbey still pushing for maybe playing time next year

42:33 Yeah, that's mainly what you're looking for. Just you know, the rookies the young guys

42:37 How are they performing who makes a you know a late push some of these guys that have built momentum Keon white Alex Austin

42:44 Do they continue to do that?

42:46 That's gonna be the big football takeaway from this game then obviously the draft positioning, but I don't

42:50 They're playing my clips of it on the sports of earlier. I stand by it

42:55 Win or lose should not change the Patriots draft approach at all at all. Whichever one of the quarterbacks you believe in go get him

43:02 Go get it like Caleb what you're not getting Caleb Williams. We've known that

43:06 They they're gonna finish no lower than five

43:09 You can get to two from five

43:12 If you end up at two great if not, what are you saving those second and third round picks for have those gone

43:19 Or you know, you got to find other ways to fill those hot spots go spend some money

43:24 You're gonna have a ton of it. Yep. So yeah, especially if you know a team like Arizona looks like I mean

43:30 They say they're gonna keep Kyler Murray now. We'll see if they are still thinking that in four months, right?

43:35 Obviously they had the whole different regime, but they had the whole Josh Rosen scenario where yeah, he's our guy but

43:41 Yeah, you can you're gonna be in range to go up and get maybe not Caleb Williams

43:47 And maybe you don't want to give up all those picks to go up to number one and hurt your future

43:51 Maybe like Carolina did but if you really like a guy you're gonna be in range to make a move to go up there and

43:57 Get them no matter what happens on Sunday here

43:59 Yeah, and one last thing on this

44:02 I'll say it everybody saying like it's automatic page you're gonna win because the Jets are bad and they are bad

44:06 Jets fans

44:10 care

44:11 so much

44:13 About this winning streak. Yeah so much like when Rogers signed I remember just some of the Jets fans friends of mine

44:19 Yeah, some friends with Jets fans. Unfortunately, we're

44:22 Talking like one of the first things they jumped to before even like hey

44:26 We might be like a Super Bowl contender was we're finally gonna beat the Patriots

44:30 Like the Streets gonna end and then obviously it didn't would it not be?

44:34 So just one of you the most Jets thing of all time

44:39 Where they finally break this streak and it comes in a meaningless game that actually helps the Patriots get their next franchise quarterback

44:47 Jets fans are still mad. They helped us figure out our last franchise quarterback

44:51 They might help us get the neck. It would be so Jets for that to happen that just the cosmic

44:58 Football universe energy the football gods. I can't rule out them pulling that string. I can't do it

45:05 Now that that would just be classic Jets

45:08 Yeah

45:09 Hand us like hand the Patriots Drake may and then Drake may can start a new streak

45:14 Team games, that would be so classic. But yeah, I mean it is like Zach Wilson's out for them. So it is Trevor Simeon

45:21 It's gonna be low scoring, especially if the weather's bad you struggle seeing where they're gonna score points

45:28 The Jets defense is still playing good football might be still probably would be tough for zappy

45:34 I mean zappy might throw some turnovers and that could make a difference

45:37 I'll tell you this you speak a little scoring zero zero tie Patriots can't fall over and forth

45:42 Yeah

45:44 probably

45:46 Good move for them tie the game. Why not?

45:48 So defense special teams if someone gets a special teams or defensive score, they're probably gonna win this game

45:56 Oh, yeah, speaking of special teams a number. I think it was like 30 and a half maybe

46:01 That's not even their Lotus lowest total a year. Did they like a 28?

46:05 That Steelers Thursday night game was yeah. Very low. I think yes 30 and a half that that feels high

46:12 Yeah that especially if the weather's bad. Yeah, but

46:17 Speaking of special teams we have to mention Matthew Slater

46:21 Might be his last game looking he wouldn't admit to it, but it's certainly looking like this is going to be

46:28 his last game just I

46:30 Mean, there's there's not many words you can say just an all-time Patriot career all-time

46:36 Human being as a man just so many legendary moments as a special teams player

46:41 I like how many not even like a kicker like Adam Benatar as his moments, but how many special teams guys?

46:46 Gunners have all-time moments like he does just

46:50 Should be a Hall of Famer obviously a locker of the Patriot Hall of Fame

46:54 And if this is it was just a spectacular career for him

46:58 I hope they do something for and like they'll do something for him in the sense that like

47:03 you know show him on the video board or something like that and give him that moment, but

47:07 You know, I like when a team who was who was the offensive lineman from the Jaguars a couple years ago

47:12 He was their center for like 10 years and he was retiring. It was his last game, right?

47:17 They put him like a tackle

47:18 I don't think a line Matt Slater up on offense but like a fake punt or field goal or something

47:23 Maybe a kick return gadget play or like Slater gets to do something cool

47:27 That'd be fun to see I hope they give him some sort of opportunity like that

47:31 And I'm sure they'll show him on the video board at the end of the game and he'll get he'll get an applause from

47:35 The July crowd questions. Do they do is there any?

47:38 Recognition of Bill special recognition of Bill during the in-game

47:42 Presentation do they put him up on the video board late in the game?

47:45 I would be surprised you maybe get a chant for the fans like a thank-you bill something like that

47:49 if the if the the print and I

47:53 Don't think the way these things work. I've worked at stadiums. I've worked for teams. I don't think you're gonna get

48:00 Kraft going to and when I say craft, I don't mean Robert himself. I mean that you know the c-suite

48:05 going to

48:07 The directors of game presentation being like hey bills gone put them up on the video board because that tips your hand

48:14 If they do something like that, it's unprompted, but I almost feel like they won't do something like that

48:20 Because I mean we're let's live for this way if there's like an extended shot of bill in the video board after the game

48:26 We're all gonna read into that

48:28 Yeah, I'm percent of course and I think they're gonna try to avoid a situation like that. Yeah, but hopefully

48:34 he is

48:36 Acknowledged by the fans in a positive way because I know it's been bad

48:40 But he's gonna leave and we're all gonna remember, you know, the 20 years of how awesome he was and all the good times

48:46 So I hope he's not, you know booed or anything like that Slater will be interesting. I was thinking maybe

48:51 Pregame like he's the only captain who goes out for the I can see something like that, but he would hate that. Yeah

48:57 Right, he doesn't he wouldn't like he would be upset about that. I feel so

49:01 Yeah, that'll be interesting to watch what happens there. But yeah could be

49:06 The ending for a few Patriot legends there

49:09 the only thing I had for the game else is

49:14 Bryce Berenger needs one punt inside the 20 to set a franchise record if he doesn't get really I will be very upset

49:20 So it's actually there. It's him and Thomas Morstead. He's got Bryce has 36

49:26 Inside the 20 and the Jets punter has 33 and they're top of the league

49:30 So we could have a inside the 20 off high 20 off in the snow

49:34 Here we go because so it could be some real sicko stuff there, but he needs one to break Jake Bailey's record in 2020

49:41 So that's what I'll be rooting for in this one

49:43 I'm jealous of you Brian cuz back in the day when Evan handled all the big-picture football stuff and I to live in his shadow

49:49 Now I have to like actually cover the T not that you don't I don't

49:56 mean to say that but like I've been on that all year and

49:59 There was a point where he was, you know

50:02 They put it out in these game releases and they had his pace for the year

50:06 There was a point where he was at like 47 48 49. I'm like, oh he's gonna get this easily and now here we are

50:12 Last week of the season and he's still gunning for it there. So

50:17 That'll be the one you notice I 20 percentages

50:19 I looked the other day. I forget. I think he was like 9th or 10th in the league

50:24 Okay, cuz he was I remember I checked a couple weeks ago. He was 7th. So that's

50:28 That top 10 range. I 20 is a good number

50:32 But I like I 20 percentage and then I 20 to touch back ratios and other like that was the one that Jake Bailey

50:37 Dominated was the I 20 he didn't have the most I 20s in the league made a good amount and he had no touchbacks

50:43 And the I 20 touchback, right?

50:45 He was like it was the best in a few years and he had that one season that he was dominant

50:49 Yeah, and then he got ruined but yeah

50:53 Poor Jake Bailey, hopefully that doesn't happen with Bryce here, right?

50:57 Right who was we could also just say quickly to end who was he was leading fan voting for a while Pro Bowler Pro Bowl snub

51:05 Yeah, didn't get it. No Pro Bowlers for the Patriots for the first time since

51:09 2000 which was Bill's first year. Yeah. Look the team was what it was

51:14 I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that they had a Pro Bowl, you know filled roster

51:17 But I think Christian bomb orange grill peppers

51:19 It's hard to argue those two guys weren't among the best at their position league and I think it you know

51:23 It's the Patriots they were bad

51:24 they didn't have as many eyeballs all of that, but those two guys deserve some recognition those two guys were excellent and

51:31 Yeah, I thought maybe some snubs there but to have no Pro Bowlers this year

51:37 I think is a reflection of what the team was it's fitting and

51:41 To bring it back to how we started like the Herald report man. That's just it's another sign

51:46 It's another canary in the coal mine of where they're at right now. Yep

51:50 Definitely agree with all that but I believe that is it our last game preview of the year

51:57 You know, we'll be back next week to break down the game and maybe anything else knows

52:02 I mean so last year we got the statement that the raffle

52:07 Well, no, not just Thursday me and Mike were on

52:13 We did like 45 minutes of a show about oh, you know, what are they gonna do who's gonna be the offense coordinator?

52:18 Is it gonna be Patricia again?

52:20 And then like asked Mike's wrapping up the show

52:22 Minutes and that was a fun show so

52:27 It next week is going to be weird because I feel like I'm and there is a snowstorm on Sunday

52:33 Which makes it ironic but I feel like I'm getting ready for a blizzard like I'm food shopping

52:39 Haircut tomorrow. I'm you know, making sure all my laundry's taking care of all that like I

52:44 down I am good because

52:46 Bill Belichick and the Patriots part ways and I'm you know sitting in traffic

52:51 You know, I'm waiting in line at the counter at the deli at the supermarket

52:56 No, of course not a chain of my desk for the next week

53:00 So next week will be an interesting one for sure who maybe beyond that we'll see how they handle it

53:05 But you know if I sound like I'm complaining it comes with the job wouldn't trade it but absolutely. Yeah get get Brian bread and milk

53:12 bread and milk

53:13 Get ready because we are we are hunkered down for the next week plus after this game

53:18 The Herald said it winter is coming winter

53:21 Yeah, well of course be right here to break it all down

53:28 We still are going right throughout the offseason because we will get into this coaching staff and free agency

53:34 Actually, I was gonna say that's right. So you started in camp, right?

53:38 Like OTA is like right. So you started like the worst part. I always say

53:44 This and I usually give this speech around this time of year. Maybe it's after the after the final game

53:49 This is an offseason show. We're a Patriots podcast

53:53 We're gonna talk about the games, of course, and I love doing it during the season, but this show started in the offseason

53:59 It started January 21. So leading up to that draft and

54:03 It's a big draft show. It's a big freedom to see show. I was talking to Taylor Kyle's about this today

54:07 There's more X's and O's football talk now in the offseason than there is during the season. You know, the team's bad

54:14 There's all the palace intrigue stuff. We'll get through that with bill, you know, there's gonna be some of that this offseason

54:20 But you know when we get a new coach who's a scheme fit who's not who do they need to add in free agency?

54:24 We'll get in the draft. I'm excited for you Brian because there's an offseason show

54:27 So you'll really get the full Patriots beat experience here coming up soon. And so will all our viewers

54:33 Yep, it'll be fun. Obviously you guys do mock drafts and try to get you guys involved as much as possible

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