Bob Ryan and Gary Tanguay discuss the Celtics opening their preseason against the Denver Nuggets in Abu Dhabi, where they held on to a 107-103 win while shooting a franchise-record 61 threes. Is this a sign of things to come for the season? Is it sustainable? Plus, they reflect on the illustrious career of Derrick Rose in the wake of his retirement from the NBA.
0:32 - Celtics preseason game
2:24 - Jokic's performance
5:43 - Derrick Rose retires
9:25 - Youngest MVP ever
11:05 - Traded from Chicago
14:40 - Towns and Thibodeau
15:56 - Minnesota Disappointment
20:37 - Porzingis Impact
22:46 - Thibs Coaching Style
24:19 - Bob's Final Thoughts
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2:24 - Jokic's performance
5:43 - Derrick Rose retires
9:25 - Youngest MVP ever
11:05 - Traded from Chicago
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00:00It's time for the Bob Ryan Gary Tanguy podcast here on CLNS Media, brought to you by PrizePix,
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00:28Pick more, pick less with PrizePix. Okay, Bob, Celtics preseason underway,
00:35107-103 over Denver, 17 players played. Your guy Pritchard had a game, he got off on the right foot.
00:42Pritchard, yes, he had 21 points and six assists, but the story of the game for me,
00:49before we get to individual and, you know, analysis, if you will,
00:54the Celtics were 37 for 98 from the floor. Would you like to guess out of the 98,
01:01how many of those were three-pointers? 30. 61. Okay. There were 17 for 37 on twos and 20
01:12for 61 on threes. Welcome to basketball in the 21st century, folks. I'll say no more.
01:22It, nothing's going to change. Those of us who, you know, hate the three, nothing's going to
01:28change, but just so you know, that's the way it was. Okay. Pritchard had a good game. The
01:34regulars played most only in the first half, as a rule. The menists played Tatum, Brown and White,
01:4019 minutes each. Cornette started because of course we had neither, and Al was held out.
01:46Yeah. 21. Holiday 12 and 17 people played in this game. Right. So it's an exhibition game.
01:54They were down at the half and they came back and they won it. And, and just let you know,
02:00it was really weird at the very, very, very end. They had the score wrong. The score was wrong.
02:06And, and they had, they were, they had to be pleasantly surprised that they were ahead.
02:10They, they credited on the, the Abu Dhabi scorekeeper, a clock writer,
02:15who had credited the wrong, scored at the wrong person, at wrong team at one point, late. Anyway,
02:20they wind up winning 107-103. By the way, Djokic played 17 minutes and had 14 points,
02:28eight rebounds and two assists. Nothing to be gleaned from it in the long run. But the,
02:32if you're trying to make the team, the two guys that did themselves a favor, you know,
02:37if they try to sit on that bench or at least be on the 15-man roster were Jordan Walsh and
02:44J.D. Davis. They both look pretty good. And, but the, the, the guy who did not do himself any
02:49favors was first round pick. And I'm a guy I'm, I have a proprietary interest in, I must admit,
02:56all cards on the table, Baylor Shireman, because he came, started out college at my new favorite
03:03school that's not Boston College, South Dakota State. Right, right, right, right, right, right.
03:07Yeah. West of the Alleghenies. And his first shot hit the side of the backboard and the second shot
03:14was an airball. So he hopefully got all the bad stuff out of his system in the first game.
03:20Yeah, he had some nerves, Bob. He had some nerves.
03:23He is the first round pick. And I do expect him to come back and be on the opening day roster,
03:28just because. But we'll see. Main would beckon, of course. What do we glean by it? Nothing, you
03:34know, nothing in the big picture at all. I only saw the second half and I tuned it at halftime.
03:39There was one lament, I think from, from Scal, Brian Scalabrini, backboard in the saddle,
03:46was they gave up too many easy inside baskets in the first half, presumably to Jokic, but not just
03:50to Jokic. Oh, well, he flashed himself in a, in a like a back to the future mode, just so you know,
03:56down the road. DeAndre Jordan, he threw his body around pretty well for Denver. So just so you know,
04:02he's with Denver and there you go. But that's it. The Live Lifter, it's the first game of the NBA
04:07season. But I got to say this. I was one of the many great unwashed that had not done my political
04:16homework. And it is a little bit unnerving now, disturbing when you, when you are informed
04:22that the NBA is in, we know they're already in bed with China and, you know, commercially,
04:30which is shaky, to be honest. But the UAE, the game was in Abu Dhabi and in the United Arab
04:36Republic, Arab Emirates. A lot of people very upset about this. And the Boston Globe ran an
04:42op-ed piece about this, the politics of it all. They are helping fund a terrible situation in Sudan.
04:49And people better look it up. Sudan is maybe the worst humanitarian crisis on the globe at the
04:54moment, which is saying a lot, by the way, if you think about it. They may be the absolute worst
04:59humanitarian crisis of homelessness and displaced people. And the UAE is complicit in this,
05:08according to what I am reading and only just informed recently. And, you know, it's not,
05:14so I'm uncomfortable. I'll just say this. I'm uncomfortable with the idea that the NBA
05:18and that, unfortunately, the Celtics were involved in a game in the UAE at this particular
05:22point in time. It's the third year in a row they've been here. I didn't realize this.
05:26We weren't paying attention. I mean, it's, I assume it's, I assume it's followed the money.
05:31I, naturalement, I just want to be honest with you saying that I'm not comfortable with this.
05:36And I wish to say, I just wish in second thought the Celtics had never been involved.
05:41All right, I'm off the soapbox, back to basketball. Okay, there you go. So now Derek Rose,
05:4636 years old, has called it a career. Derek Rose retired two days ago or so,
05:52and today is his 36th birthday. I mean, every word of what I'm about to say, I pontificate that I
06:01have seen every great player in the last 65 years. I'll cut it off at 65. I probably could go to 70,
06:08but I'll go with 65. I've seen them all. And this man in his, in his collegiate prime,
06:17and in the early NBA prime, was an elite player who you had to see in person to appreciate.
06:26You don't make that statement about too many people. Why do I say that? I'm about to tell you
06:30that I was lucky enough to, I don't remember, I sought out consciously for whatever reason,
06:35the year he was, the one year in college he had, which is 07, 08 at Memphis. He,
06:43I went to his regional, so I saw him play a couple of times, and it wasn't just one. I saw him play
06:47a couple of times. And then in the final four, so I may have played him three times in person.
06:52And you had to see him in person to understand the uniqueness of this guy. Now there have been
06:58any number of guys who were rocket ships up and down the floor. We've all seen them, you know,
07:03great ones. And Iverson was a rocket ship. A lot of guys are rocket ships up and down the floor
07:07in a straight line basis. And that's fine. This guy, there were two things that distinguish him
07:12going to the basket. And frankly, unlike anyone I've ever seen. Okay. The two things together.
07:19One, it's an illusion. Now the first one's an illusion. All right. But he created this illusion
07:25like no one else. When he went to the basket, it was almost as if he had an extra gear.
07:30It downshifted. And at the end, it's like late life on a fastball.
07:33Right, right, right. Yeah.
07:35Yeah. Late life on the drive. And then one final little thrust going to the hoop. And the illusion
07:40of it, I've never seen anyone that struck me that way. And that's why I mean you had to see him in
07:43person. That would never come off on television. But I was fortunate enough to be sitting close
07:48enough to the court to go, Oh my God, I've never felt that since I've never had a sensation like
07:52this with a guy. Never, ever. And I've seen everybody since the last 65 years. Well, now
07:57then it was only about, you know, 49. But anyway, the point is he had that. And the other thing he
08:02did, which is verifiable, is that he could go up in the air and move laterally in the air
08:09quicker and farther than anyone I've ever seen either. So he'd go up on the left side of the
08:13basket and go up and he'd finish over on the right farther in a way that not many people
08:19I've ever seen could do. Very, very, very, very few. So he was an extraordinary talent.
08:24Now consider a one-year college basketball, his team was 38-2. They went to the championship game,
08:30one of the great championship games. And they got it wrapped up, I thought. I mean, we all thought.
08:34And then Mario Chalmers of Kansas makes a miracle shot going left to right from the top of the key
08:41to tie it up and send him into overtime. And Kansas beats him by seven in overtime.
08:46One reason being Memphis, which was tradition with them, were horse bleep free throw shooters.
08:51And if they had made their free throws in general, they would have won the game without
08:54ever worrying about going overtime. But Rose, that was his one. So he goes to the final four
08:58and goes to the championship game. He goes to Chicago. He's a rookie at his hometown.
09:03He's from Simeon Academy in Chicago. He's a rookie of the year. In his third year,
09:10he leads them to a 62-20 record. And he is the MVP at age 22 years and seven months,
09:20the youngest ever MVP. That's how good Derrick Rose was.
09:24He was Hall of Fame bound. No doubt.
09:28He was Springfield. He could start preparing his speech. And then the next year, they go,
09:34let's see what the record is next year. Oh, 50-16. And on the first year, that year of the 62-20,
09:47they lost in the conference finals. First, they won the conference. They won a division.
09:52Second year, they won the division again. And they lose in the first round of Philadelphia,
09:57six games. But guess what? They lost. He tore his ACL.
10:02Now, that was in 2012. And we're talking about a career that ended now in the 23-24 season.
10:10He was never the same again.
10:11Was there a second ACL? Were there two?
10:15I think another. Yeah, there may have been.
10:16I mean, he had multiple surgeries.
10:18Oh, he had multiple.
10:19But he was never the same. You're right.
10:20Never the same. Done at 22 years, seven months as an MVP with an express lane to Springfield.
10:30Oh, he was amazing. He was the next great player. I remember, I mean, I used to go Larry
10:36Magic and you go Michael and LeBron. And I don't know if he was going to be LeBron. I can't say
10:44that. But this guy was well on his way to being Iverson.
10:49Oh, God, yes. It was going to be even better.
10:52He would, I mean, at that point, you would have projected him to have the kind of career that
10:57Curry's wind up having in terms of.
10:59Yeah, Curry, Duran.
11:00All said and done, going to be in the top 10 discussion.
11:03Right.
11:04That's what you would have thought at 22 years of age when he's MVP with this extraordinary
11:08physical gift that he was robbed. And so from that point on, he winds up getting traded
11:14first out of Chicago. And since he left Chicago, he went New York, Cleveland, Minnesota, Detroit,
11:20New York a second time in Memphis and hung around and had his moments and all that. But it was never,
11:27ever, ever the same.
11:28Now, he loved to play. And I didn't think he was even going to stay in the league.
11:31We can't. We have to mention that there's a taint in the collegiate world and that they were
11:37stripped of their runner up because it was found out that alleged, and I guess never disproven,
11:46that he had someone else took his SAT test just to get into Memphis.
11:51Was it there also some money that changed hands?
11:53Oh, God, you know.
11:55I mean, for some reason, the number of $500,000 is in my head.
12:02And later on, there was a sexual harassment charge.
12:06Oh, I didn't. I don't remember that.
12:09Not being convicted. Okay. So I'm just trying, you know, and I'm not saying he's one of nature's
12:15noblemen. I mean, all that. But we'll stick with the basketball. He was an extraordinary talent.
12:21And he should be recognized for that. That's all.
12:23He was.
12:24Career was robbed.
12:25No, you're right. I mean, it is what, when it comes to the talent and on the floor stuff,
12:29it is. I'm just thinking, I can't think of anyone else that I've ever said,
12:36you had to see him in person, feel it, see it. And I was fortunate enough to be able to do that
12:40when he had the gift.
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13:35How do you feel about the Knicks, Bob?
13:37I'm bullish on the Knicks.
13:39And I mean, you were bullish before the trade.
13:42Yeah, bullish before the trade. Towns, my one question, now the Towns, we talked with Jeff
13:47Goodman and he goes back with everybody. I think he went back with Dr. Nesmith,
13:52but he goes back with everybody. And he points out the Towns, there's been one allegation about
13:59him on the court. He's soft, maybe, you know, not a little soft. And he's been an underachiever
14:06in the playoffs. That is fact. Okay. So there you go. But on paper, he is the quintessential
14:12modern big man in that he is equally adept at scoring inside or outside. He's a 40% career
14:18three-point shooter. Now that should get people in the Boston Celtic fans a little bit concerned.
14:24And I speculate that he might be able to, what I think what they would get, would like from him,
14:29is to do for them what Brzezinkus did for the Celtics in terms of score place floor spacing
14:34and extra threat and all that. I think he could perform a very similar role for them.
14:39Now, the one question I had that now I'm going to address is, did not remember there was some
14:45friction between he and Thibodeau when Thibodeau was his coach in Minnesota.
14:48And that seemed like forever ago, though, right?
14:51Well, there was. But according to both of them, let bygones be bygones. And in today's New York
14:57Post, I read that, quote, whatever else might have, this is by Stefan Bondi, whatever else
15:05might have happening, been happening behind the scenes, Townes revealed last season he and Thibodeau,
15:10quote unquote, squashed their beef years ago in a one-on-one conversation. A source said Thibodeau
15:16was fully behind acquiring Townes, blah, blah, blah, blah. OK. And now his take Townes as of
15:22yesterday and from training camp in Charleston, South Carolina, saying good things about Thibodeau,
15:29appreciating his first practice. And he said, I think it gives us, that's he and Thibodeau,
15:33a little bit of a head start. I know the offense that he runs. I know the way he likes to play
15:37defense. And I know what he expects from his players. I just think it gives us a little bit
15:41of a head start. So I'm putting the Celtic fans on notice even more now that the Knicks and the
15:49Celtics are going to duke it out this year. It's going to be fun. Well, how much of
15:57the Minnesota disappointment in the playoffs is on him, just him? I mean, what about Anthony Edwards?
16:03Oh, you can't. Well, but this goes, this predates Edwards. He's around nine years.
16:07We're talking about. No, no, no. I'm like last year, right?
16:10Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Minnesota was off to a great start.
16:14They may have been the most disappointed, the floppiest, the floppiest.
16:17I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it.
16:19Yeah. The least, the most underachieving team of the playoff based on what they have shown.
16:23There's no doubt. I thought they were going to go to the.
16:25I was really big on them going into playoffs.
16:27Me too. And yeah, so that's right. So,
16:30OK, well, you don't think that will be brought up when the playoffs start?
16:34Oh, it's going to be brought up a lot. That's why, you know, when they made the move
16:38from Minnesota's perspective and there are many who think Minnesota got the better end of the deal.
16:45Oh, yeah. Well, I know there are people that feel that way. Of course, part of part of that is
16:49Steven Senso has really become an interestingly very good player, had a great.
16:54Right. So I'm not so. So I go every year.
16:59Yeah. So I just wonder from Minnesota, it was addition by subtraction.
17:03They needed to send a message. Maybe the player needed a change of environment,
17:07whatever. Right. I think Minnesota felt what we did last year was not good enough.
17:12So somebody's going. Yeah, well, I think you're right. And I did pick up,
17:16you know, a guy's been in an all star game, maybe or even two in Randall,
17:21whether you like him or not. And I, I go back to Kentucky being very impressed with him.
17:26Right. And Stephen Senso is the wild card here because, as I just said, I think he keeps seem
17:32to be getting better year by year. And he really lost him two years ago in Milwaukee and then he
17:36came to New York and had an even better year. And now here he comes. It gives him a real good
17:42dimension, I think. So now we'll see. But I mean, does Towns cause matchup problems for the Celtics?
17:50Well, he's going to they're going to have to honor him. You know, when the Knicks,
17:54you played the Knicks with what Hartenstein and who's, you know, gone as a free agent and it was
17:59useful to them and useful, but not because he was a big scorer. And Mitchell Robinson,
18:04whose whole race on Detroit is just blocking shots and, you know, and not he's not out there
18:09to score. You could obviously you can play a different kind of defense and they got a guy
18:14that has to be honored. He's got to be honored. Well, that's what I'm thinking because
18:20he's not going to stand out there and shoot threes all night when he's a 40 percent shooter,
18:23which means that somebody's got to go guard him if it's Brzezinski. You know, I mean,
18:26I think it can theoretically I can't wait to see it. Theoretically, I think it makes a big
18:32difference. I think it could cause. Look, I'm not I'm not sounding the alarm, OK? I still think the
18:40Celtics are going to win the East. I think the Celtics, if they do what they're supposed to do,
18:46can win it all again. I think this makes the East a little bit more difficult because of the
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20:39We all know game management, you know, Porzingis does. So during the regular season,
20:45you know, Porzingis doesn't play a lot. I mean, I don't expect him to play a lot.
20:49So then you've got Al. Now, obviously, if you get into the if you get into the playoffs,
20:53it's a different story. It's all hands on deck. But what I'm just saying is during a regular
20:57season, when these two teams match up, I think he's going to cause the Celtics some problems.
21:03I think it's very possible. I disagree. I don't agree.
21:07And I think that's why they made the move. I think they made the move. They said,
21:10this is the only way we can beat the Celtics, because we need a seven four and a seven footer,
21:1640 percent shooter that can score in and out. They got to make Porzingis move.
21:22They got to make the dude play defense. Al we know is long in the tooth.
21:28I think that's why that is exactly why they made the move.
21:30It's an excellent point. And history tells us that don't that teams do react to other
21:35teams in that manner. It's the Celtics. I can tell you right now, the Celtics
21:40were dying to find a Andrew Toney deterrent. It didn't say it was what I found it with DJ,
21:46you know, that they got. But until then, he was torturing them, torturing them. And then,
21:51you know, he's still to be still a bit never. He never tortured them again.
21:55Once DJ showed up and I'm sure that was very much part of the thinking because they knew that the
22:00obstacle that they had in the East was was Philly, even though they lost Milwaukee in 83, they were
22:06mitigating circumstances that a lot of mitigating circumstances in that Milwaukee sweep of the
22:10Celtics in 83. They knew the real foe was Philly and they addressed it. There's no doubt. I mean,
22:16and you know, I understand you have Philadelphia. It all depends if the big guys get
22:21healthy with the Sixers. But even though I don't. Well, the Sixers are better.
22:27They are. And they're deeper. They're legitimately deeper. People had to pay
22:30attention. They picked up, you know, guys that can get out there and play.
22:34You know, they picked up some and Andre Drummond, you know, who can still rebound. So,
22:40yeah, they're going to be better, too. But it's good. The teams are going after
22:44the one after the Celtics. That's clearly. Yeah.
22:47You know, like Tibbs, like, you know, Tibbs. I mean, you know, you were around the guy.
22:52Yes. How do you think he has changed?
22:56And why he's so good with his team? It seems that he's not. And I don't know if he burned
23:01out people in Minnesota, burned out people in Chicago, but it seems like has he mellowed?
23:07Well, he's in his 60s now, you know, and I mean, really, and he's been around a long time now in
23:11the league. And we don't know how he's behind the closed doors. But he yet a day, though,
23:17it's interesting, is he he was he was angry. Can't tell that in print. But he was willing
23:23to address that he's not changing his philosophy about about the playing time. And, you know,
23:28he's been criticized for playing his regulars too much. And he said nothing's going to change.
23:33I'm going to play my regulars the way I'm going to play him. And and so don't think so. That's
23:40the one thing he hasn't changed in that regard. He's going to have he's going to be some heavy
23:45minutes for some of his starters. And he doesn't give a damn to take a chance. He's not a big fan
23:50of the load. But was he not buying into the load management thing the way a lot of other people?
23:54Right, right, right, right, right. Well, Bob, you saw my star in the background.
24:00Here we go. Yeah.
24:03He's not buying it. Flash, say hello.
24:06Say hello. Flash. We'll have to get Flash. Flash.
24:13Maybe my Blaze can make an appearance one day. Yeah, Blaze. Blaze and Flash.
24:17All right, Bob. Great job, as always. We will talk to you again next week. Bob Ryan, Gary Tangway,
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